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City takes aim at abandoned vehicles

March 2, 2010

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It soon may become more difficult for Lawrence residents to store that old fixer-upper vehicle in their driveway.

At their meeting this evening, city commissioners will consider changing the city’s environmental code to prohibit the storing of abandoned vehicles in driveways.

Recent Municipal Court rulings determined that the city’s code currently allows abandoned vehicles to be stored in a driveway. The city’s legal staff is recommending that the code be changed so abandoned vehicles would have to be stored in a garage or some other structure.

Commissioners meet at 6:35 p.m. today at City Hall.

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

OldEnuf, If your neighbor is drinking, isn't the driveway the best place for his car? Four flats is a good thing in this case by the sound of it.

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nytemayr 4 years, 1 month ago

what is the legal definition of an "abandoned vehicle?"

If the vehicle has current registration then how can it be abandoned? Is this the Ugly car rule; if your neighbor thinks your car is ugly then they can call the city, file a compliant to fine you for owning an ugly vehicle?

Another "legal" tool to harass your neighbor.........hmmmm sure I'm all for it!!!!

Hmmmmm I wonder if I can make a business out of selling people printed Classic auto covers to make that piece of junk "look" fabulous!!!!

Ok I'm game lets do it!!!!

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nytemayr 4 years, 1 month ago

what is the legal definition of an "abandoned vehicle?"

If the vehicle has current registration then how can it be abandoned? Is this the Ugly car rule; if your neighbor thinks your car is ugly then they can call the city, file a compliant to fine you for owning an ugly vehicle?

Another "legal" tool to harass your neighbor.........hmmmm sure I'm all for it!!!!

Hmmmmm I wonder if I can make a business out of selling people printed Classic auto covers to make that piece of junk "look" fabulous!!!!

Ok I'm game lets do it!!!!

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dragonfly0221 4 years, 1 month ago

They can't enforce the laws they do have on the books. We have to remove the snow from the sidewalks, but the city owned sidewalks may stay unshoveled?! The city has a law about grass that doesn't get mowed, they never enforce that, I lost a child once walking down the sidewalk, by a yard that hadn't been mowed in a least a year. I know several neihbors called as well as myself (1/2 joking about the lost kid). That law about the abandoned vehicles on the road..... actually takes a week or longer to get it moved even if it is blocking your driveway and you have to drive over the curb and grass to get to work.

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mom_of_three 4 years, 1 month ago

If your car - one that you do not drive after it broke down and it barely made it home to the driveway - does not have a tag, then the city will ticket it. It happned to us. If we have it in OUR driveway, with a current tag and insurance, it shouldn't be anyone's business as to what we are doing with it.

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Number_1_Grandma 4 years, 1 month ago

All a do about nothing.

The LJW staffers, too lazy to get out and do some real reporting, can't even get their facts straight.

This is to "clarify" the ordinance that was found to be to vague by a worthless judge! That's it.

Now continue on with the crying and whining.....

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Hydra 4 years, 1 month ago

I know where there is a hole bunch of abandoned vehicles...and none are tagged!

They have been setting around for months and no one has complained.

Crown Chevorlet-Toyota-Ford and even Dale Wiley's!!!!!

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tange 4 years, 1 month ago

Ah, abandoned vehicles, harbinger of Spring. I think I'll make it the 2nd day of this 3rd month, this year.

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Bob Kraxner 4 years, 1 month ago

Yet another way for the city to exercise a double standard. East lawrence will be targeted by the powers that be. West lawrence will be ignored by the same people who write tickets in the east. I personally know of 2 trucks parked on the same cul-de-sac, right off Monterey way, on the street, expired tags, haven't been moved in 5 mos.

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windjammer 4 years, 1 month ago

Take those unwanted pieces of toxic junk to Bo. He will crush them with the fluids still in them. What do you think of that oneeye? You da man.

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blue73harley 4 years, 1 month ago

"Parking on an unimproved surface in your front or side yard is unlawful. Parking is only permitted on an improved surface, such concrete or asphalt"

Why doesn't the city start ticketing the employee's cars at the Em-T Bus parking lot. They park in the grass every day and even drive across the sidewalk to get there.

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bliddel 4 years, 1 month ago

Many have rightfully questioned the use of the adjective "abandoned" to describe personal property legally parked on private (improved) property. Is this just typical legislative overkill to address the cars I see stored indefinitely on public roadways? You would think the city commission has enough problems, without creating more havoc for it's lawful peaceful citizens.

Hey, when are they going to outlaw rain before sundown? (RE: Camelot).

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ks_hotrodder 4 years, 1 month ago

You are not supposed to drive through East Lawrence and take in the scenery! You are supposed to hurry and drive through it to get to K-10! Would all of the newly malfunctioning Toyotas be considered junk? If this goes through scrap metal prices will go up and our streets will see more traffic headed to the scrap yard. This will cause more potholes which, in turn, causes more junk cars. Vicious cycle it is.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 1 month ago

This is what we get when we: 1. Don't bother to pay attention to city elections. 2. Vote for some dumb jerk who has enough friends to buy more yard signs than anyone else. 3. Allow flagrant violations of the constitutional rights of our citizens to be trampled while commissioners are busy trying to find a new intersection for one of those wreched roundabouts. 4. on and on and on and on. I have lived in other locals in my lifetime, but I have never seen a form of city government such as we have here and that is so flagrantly incompetant and downright worthless.

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 1 month ago

Hitme, You can easily make your own. I found this recipe on the Internet.

12 oz. spackling putty or 20 packs of Silly Putty 1 container Petroleum Jelly (Vaseline) Candle Wax 12 Oz. Isopropol (rubbing) alcohol A heat source (hot plate, stove, etc.) A large Pyrex, or enameled steel container
Flour or Corn Starch 24 Oz. cooking oil (Canola Oil works best) 1 package wire pipe cleaners packages (2.8 Oz) clear gelatin

Place four cups of tap water in your Pyrex container, and begin heating it until it boils. Add the gelatin, and mix thoroughly. Remove from heat, and allow it to cool completely, then add 4 Oz. of cooking oil, and stir. You should notice a thin layer of solids beginning to form near the top. Scrape off the solids, and place them in a small container. Place them in the freezer.

Next, light your candle, allowing the melted wax to accumulate. In your bowl, mix the petroleum jelly, cooking oil, putty, and corn starch until well blended.

Now remove the chilled mixture from the freezer. BE CAREFUL. The mixture is highly unstable at this point. Add it to the compound in the bowl - the blend should have the consistency of ice cream. Stir in the mixture VERY CAREFULLY. After a few mins it will be done, then all you do is take a bit of it (the more you use the bigger the explosion) and roll it in a circle or make in a square or something, then stick a pipe cleaner in, when you light it you can throw it or light it on the floor but I would throw it, even though the fuse might fall out or go out it is safer.to the compound in the bowl - the blend should have the consistency of ice cream. Stir in the mixture VERY CAREFULLY. After a few mins it will be done, then all you do is take a bit of it (the more you use the bigger the explosion) and roll it in a circle or make in a square or something, then stick a pipe cleaner in, when you light it you can throw it or light it on the floor but I would throw it, even though the fuse might fall out or go out it is safer.

You are doing to have to do some experimenting to find just the right amount for what you want. The first person to try this, will you tell the rest of us how it works?

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consumer1 4 years, 1 month ago

cthulhu_4_president can you even read? Maybe you should go back and read all of the post.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

I know somebody that lives out at the Villas. Just before an election he put out a yard sign for a candidate. A member of the homeowners association came and promptly pulled it up saying "that is not allowed here". I was told by someone else that you are not allowed to park your car on the street except for short periods of time, otherwise it is to be in your garage or driveway. Careful what you wish for.

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ferrislives 4 years, 1 month ago

So just move your vehicle to your backyard...case solved.

In all seriousness, I don't get how the government has any right to tell me what I have in my driveway, as long as it's not a meth lab.

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cthulhu_4_president 4 years, 1 month ago

Heck yeah! Sunshine noise, consumer1 and other people who love to control what other people do with their property have got it right on!! If there's one thing that makes 'Merrica great, it's got to be the way that people like sunshine and consumer1 judge and devalue others based on how they treat their property!! What does this look like, some kind of country where you can just 'have' property and do what you want with it as long as it isn't harming someone else? Ha!! That will teach you 'property owners' to listen to and respect my opinion even though your the appearance of your property doesn't affect the quality of my life at all. Call that art? Pssh, I call it crap. Does this look like a country with some kind of guarenteed freedom of speech and expression? Heck no!! Now it's time to git all that metal crap outta your yard 'cause I don't like it, and since I paint my house every year, well that means that I get an extra loud judging voice!! Gawd bless 'Merrica, and my invincible opinion! (if you could not see the satire in the above post, then you may need glasses)

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irvan moore 4 years, 1 month ago

It seems things have gone downhill at city hall since Wildgen left, Even though I didn't agree with him on all issues I think he was a voice of reason to the commisioners.

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oneeye_wilbur 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe the city decided this is easier to "fix' than the real problems within the city. What has brought this all of a sudden problem to light?

Why isn't the current ordinance printed on the first page of the paper?

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consumer1 4 years, 1 month ago

ONce again. The city should also start fining those people who have yards and trees full of crap they call art. Those are far more devaluing than an old car. I guess it depends on who is complaining

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oneeye_wilbur 4 years, 1 month ago

Driveway at rear or driveway in front? First of all, what is the reasoning behind this, when the city already has an ordinance that as I recall says something like , if the vehicle is not tagged or the tag is not current then it is considered abandoned and there must be a complaint made.

This sounds like something that Neighborhood Resources is dreaming up to justify their job.

Before the city starts another ill conceived program , how about Neighborhood Resources and the street department have a systematic Alley Improvement Program. As it is now, if a car is in the front driveway, it cannot get down the alley to the back. If the car is in the back of the house, it cannot be moved from the rear through the alley because the alleys are in such pitiful condition. That is the result of the City Commission.

To the Mayor and commissioners, it is time to give the public what they deserve from the city.

If a car is visiblly dilapidated as those out of E. 15th, then the city should contact the owner of the car and/or the property. Offer to inform the owners or property owners of the resources available.

For starters, why doesn't the reporter on this story and the J/W print the current Ordinance on the front page so the public is clear on what is already on the books.

As far as putting the vehicle in the garage, that is kind of hard to do with a tree growing through the middle of it.

A car and or truck or other "vehicle" currently tagged, is not abandoned.

Lady J. replacing gravel with concrete will increase your storm water fee and the neighborhood groups don't like concrete.

SHOUT - IMPERVIOUS SURFACE

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MaryKatesPillStash 4 years, 1 month ago

Every city has code enforcement similar to this--this is not unique to Lawrence, folks.

In the city I worked for during college, the code said you cannot have inoperable cars out in plain sight. That meant, even if you parked your car with expired tags in your driveway, the city could ticket you. Now, did the city really target people like that? No. But they could.

Really, though, if you're tryign to sell your house, do you really want your neighbor to have a car in their front yard up on cinderblocks for months, or even years? The code is an attempt to maintain property value.

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gatekeeper 4 years, 1 month ago

I wish they'd do something about my neighbor who's broken down truck has been parked on the street since last summer. Hasn't moved an inch and the city doesn't care. The city won't do anything with this new ordinance unless someone complains.

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Healthcare_Moocher 4 years, 1 month ago

Good... maybe they will address the yards that never get mowed next. I would rather see the cars.

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hitme 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm glad to see this will finally be enforced. This town doesn't have to look like a dump. Sure would be more entertaining to see the cars blown up rather than towed though. I'll have to look on my chart to see how much C4 it takes to vaporize 3000 lb....just for curiosity, not for any other reason of course.

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

"serious blow to the old car hobby"

That's the real motivation. Greenies across the country don't like the fact that we can still own and drive cars that use more gasoline in one mile than their econojunkers use in 20. This is just another attempt at forcing the AGW cult's wishes on ordinary citizens.

Anyone interested in getting rid of their 71 Chevelle junker, let me know. I have a nice big block just waiting for it.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

"Parking on an unimproved surface in your front or side yard is unlawful. Parking is only permitted on an improved surface, such concrete or asphalt" This is directly from the Good Neighbor ordinances in Lawrence. So gravel doesn't count. How many people in Lawrence have gravel driveways and are breaking the law? If they make changes it should be to the defination of improved surface.

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Zachary Stoltenberg 4 years, 1 month ago

They can pass changes galore, it isn't going to make a darn bit of difference until they start enforcing the laws already on the books. Long term storage of trailers, vehicles, motor homes, etc. is already prohibited in the front yard of any residence. if stored in the rear yard is has to be on an improved surface (i.e. gravel or concrete) and it is supposed to be fenced if truly being "stored." They can talk, talk, talk, but until Treni Westcott and the rest of the code officials get some help and are able to get out and enforce, nothing is going to change.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm so happy to hear this. My alcoholic neighbor has a car in his driveway that hasn't moved an inch in nearly ten years. Tag expired in 2001, has been on flats the entire nine years I've lived here.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

Seriously, how many of us saw cars parked on Tennessee and Kentucky covered with the snow from Christmas that sat there till the KU students came back in the middle of Jan. They left for a month long break and left their car parked on the city streets. I did not see one of them get a ticket and you know city and police cars drove by them.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

What about those giant RV's that you can't see around.

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asbury 4 years, 1 month ago

BTW, I was LOLing @lawthing....

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blackfox 4 years, 1 month ago

More important things in the city. Here is an idea, FIX THE POTHOLES! Then worry about junk cars and trucks. As far as parked on the street for more than 48 hrs, what if the vehicle is tagged and fully insured, but something that doesnt get driven every day? How can they say how long a car can sit?

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Steve Jacob 4 years, 1 month ago

Why not boats then? They sit in a driveway or yard for 5-6 months, those are worse. Anyway, who cares about your driveway? I care about cars parked on the streets. Those are more a danger to others.

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lawthing 4 years, 1 month ago

How long will I have to have my girlfriend sit in the driveway before she is officially abadoned? Just wondering because I can't afford any more tickets.

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lawthing 4 years, 1 month ago

If I abandon my girlfriend in the driveway will the City have an ordinance for that?

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lawthing 4 years, 1 month ago

What constitutes abadoned?

expired license? Up on Jacks? dented fender? parked in yard?

Are city workers going to come onto peoples property and mark the driveway to see if the car moves?

If it is backed in are they going to trespass on private property without a warrant to see if the tag is expired?

There are already ordinances in Lawrence to prevent a car from being parked in the yard, or on the street more than 48 hours.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

Sunshine, drive down Kentucky street, just before St. John's, there is a two story house with a slant roof, wrap around porch. Must have an apartment or apartments upstairs where they do not have any storage because even their trash can is being stored on the roof. It must be ok because you know city workers drive by it everyday and nobody does anything about it. So evidently this looks better than an old car sitting in the driveway. Now you know the tenants are crawling out the window onto the roof. When they fall off the roof, they will sue the landlord for their stupidity.

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Steve Miller 4 years, 1 month ago

most likely the deffinition of abandon is, not paying taxes on it. it's all about the money, if they can't get more tax out of you, they'll invent a tax ....

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BMI 4 years, 1 month ago

grammaddy, there will probably be a 48 time limit on when it becomes abandoned. Someone (and we all know who) will go around timing flats and dead batteries and calling them in. Probably has a iphone app just for this. ;)

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parrothead8 4 years, 1 month ago

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, abandoned is defined as "Given up, relinquished, forsaken, cast off. "

I was not aware that items in my driveway were considered given up or cast off. Do I relinquish the rights to my rake if I leave it in my driveway all morning? Should I consider my lawnmower to be forsaken if I leave it in my driveway all afternoon?

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BMI 4 years, 1 month ago

If anyone has some so called abandoned vehicles they need to get rid of let me know. I've wanted to bury some on end in my front yard, paint them KU colors and name them after players, so pm me. Non compacts preferred. Zone or free throw, suggestions?

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macon47 4 years, 1 month ago

nothing screams white trash louder than something hidden on a driveway under a bright blue tarp

pass the law, it will give the losers more addresses to jot down and turn into the city when the snow has melted hang that neigbor out to dry, and let the city fine him

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consumer1 4 years, 1 month ago

Half the cars sitting in driveways are disabled because of the pitiful conditions of streets. Hit one of the many many craters and KaPloweee there goes the front end out of allignment and a blow out of a tire, maybe rupture the oil pan.

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agilla 4 years, 1 month ago

if it is stored in my driveway, how is it abandoned? this does not make sense...

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grammaddy 4 years, 1 month ago

Define abandoned, If it's backed into the driveway with a flat tire, does that count?I'm just waiting on the tax refund to put new tires on the front since somebody stole the spare out of the back.

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patrickj 4 years, 1 month ago

Seriously? Is this really that important? Are there not other, more important, issues that our police force should be working on? I too think that we should all have pride in were we live, and do the best we can to be good neighbors. I also have an old car that I am restoring. None of this worries me as much as the fact that I have had my vehicle burglarized twice in less than 6 weeks, or that there are drug dealers still roaming around. How about the fact that they are trying to close down neighborhood schools? Potholes? Vagrants?Shootings? Violence? Drunk driving?Binge drinking students? Vandalism?Seems to me that the city is more interested in the appearance of Lawrence than really solving it's problems.

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Calliope877 4 years, 1 month ago

oops..sorry for the double post...

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Calliope877 4 years, 1 month ago

This seems stupid... I mean, yeah, old crappy cars in driveways may not be pretty to look at, but c'mon. Not all people have a garage or some other structure. Just make them use a tarp.

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Calliope877 4 years, 1 month ago

This seems stupid... I mean, yeah, old crappy cars in driveways may not be pretty to look at, but c'mon. Not all people have a garage or some other structure. Just make them use a tarp.

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consumer1 4 years, 1 month ago

Let me elaborate on those yards whose trees are full of what should be in the recycling bin. Whose yards of full of Crap painted blue, yellow, green, red and pretend to call it art. IF those houses are not included in this clean up. Then intentionally haul in an old junker and paint flowers on it. Put it up on blocks and tell your neighbors it is titled, "Diversity on Hold".

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 1 month ago

Does "abandoned" = "without current license" for the pupose of this law?

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consumer1 4 years, 1 month ago

What is the real motivation behind this stupidity? Hmm. Let's go back a few years to the fireworks ban, who exactly was behind that ? anyone? I know who it was. What are some of the other stupid ban's and law's we have had enforced on us? I am too tired today to even think. So , I will need some help. However the answer is still clear to me. We have a small, very vocal group of over active people who live mostly in east Lawrence, who want to dictate that, everyone in Lawrence should live according to their ideals. Now, some of those empty bravados will chime in here and start calling me names, you see that is their tactic, that is how they get things done try to convert people to your way of thinking through terrostic tactics. Call names, They will come on here and "claim" they are being proactive and making Lawrence a better place to live. While at the same time in the name of diversity will accuse me of trying to destroy Lawrence. You see, my idea of keeping Lawrence viable is different from theirs, so they forget about the mantra of diversity and try to humiliate me by pretending to posses the intellectual superior agenda. They know what is best for everyone in Lawrence.

Let me say this, if cars cannot be parked in a driveway, then houses whose yards are covered with " art " must also be cleaned up. You know the place I refer to. unsightly is unsightly whether you call it freedom to display your "art" or whether your car is your front yard art project.

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irvan moore 4 years, 1 month ago

I would hate to see this passed, serious blow to the old car hobby. What I expect to see is it passed and to be enforced on a complaint basis like so many other ordinances we have in our city. We have enough laws that would put problem yards/driveways in violation now but choose to not enforce them. This city commission could find a lot better way to spend it's time on some of the more serious issues in the city.

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Kat Christian 4 years, 1 month ago

There are way too many run-down, junky/trashy yards here in East Lawrence. I support this code. It doesn't take a lot of money to clean up your yard and make it look decent. Just a little ambition and effort. I can't stand seening junk cars rusting in yards or broken things piled up next to a house or on a front porch. Paint peeling off a house. I paint every spring - at least touch up even though I rent. Can't get my landlord to paint the whole place, but that doesn't stop me from taking pride in where I live. I won't paint the whole house but I won't live with chips falling off around me either. I just don't understand people who don't care or don't see the trash and clutter in their yards and just leave it there. Makes you wonder how they live inside. If you want your neighborhood to look liveable and inviting than people are going to have to get out and clean it up, paint a little and cut back the weeds and put a few flowers in. Otherwise the City will have to code you to do it. That's the way it works.

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Hydra 4 years, 1 month ago

P.S.

I think our current city goverment could have gave pointers to Bush on abrogating the constitution.

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Hydra 4 years, 1 month ago

Twisted logic at its best brought to you by the same ones that gave us a slave mentatilty snow ordinance. How is being in a private driveway abandoned ?

How about we abandon the school administration building?

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macon47 4 years, 1 month ago

the cars are bad enough, but the barking dogs chained to them are alot more annoying. dead dogs dont bark

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classclown 4 years, 1 month ago

Is it really an abandoned vehicle if it's on your property? What if it's in the yard covered up by the grass?

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somebodynew 4 years, 1 month ago

OK, you can't park a vehicle on the street for more than 48 hours and you can't park a vehicle in your yard, and now you won't be able to park in your own driveway ??? Just excately where are people supposed to put vehicles that they might be working on???? I don't know of too many places that rent out space where you can then go work on a car that needs repair, plus all of your equipment is at home. Sounds strange to me.

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LadyJ 4 years, 1 month ago

Tarp, sounds good. They can't enforce the rules they already have.

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Joseph Jarvis 4 years, 1 month ago

Several of the abandoned cars in E. Lawrence give the neighborhood character. I love walking around and photographing them.

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Chris Ogle 4 years, 1 month ago

abandoned vehicles would have to be stored in a garage (or some other structure.)

Some other structure...... like a tarp.

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