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Big 12 not dead yet

Source says league could survive, with Oklahoma in North

Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe listens to a reporter’s question during a news conference following the final day of spring meetings on June 4.

Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe listens to a reporter’s question during a news conference following the final day of spring meetings on June 4.

June 14, 2010

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A source close to the situation told the Journal-World late Sunday night that the Big 12 Conference appears to have moved closer to an agreement with its remaining schools to keep the league together and that Oklahoma University will move to the North Division.

Big 12 Conference may stay intact

Even with two teams jetting for other conferences, reports state the Big 12 may just survive. It's possible a new TV deal may help ease the tensions of the Big 12's ten remaining teams. Enlarge video

The source said it was unknown whether the Big 12 would move forward as a 10-member league or if it would look to add two new members to replace Colorado and Nebraska, which left for the Pac-10 and Big Ten, respectively, last week.

The news Sunday flew under the radar of reports out of Texas that said Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott was on a plane bound for Kansas City, Mo., to meet with KU officials.

“That’s a back-up plan,” the source said. “It looks like the Big 12 is staying together.”

The Big 12 appeared to be all but dead just days ago, but a late move by commissioner Dan Beebe might have saved it. Reports indicated that Beebe lobbied hard this weekend with schools in Texas and Oklahoma to convince them to move forward with the Big 12 schools that remained. His selling point was talk of a reworked television deal that would push the per-school payouts to the nearly $17 million annually that’s close to what the SEC pumps out each year and in the neighborhood of what the Pac-10 was eyeing. What’s more, Beebe was reported to have told the University of Texas that it would have permission to proceed with its own network in the future, something the Longhorns have wanted for years.

This news falls in line with what Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione has said all along.

“I understand people are writing this like the ship has sailed and there really isn’t any way the Big 12 could stay together,” Castiglione told The Oklahoman. “I just don’t think this is true. I think there’s still a way for us to stick together and be viable.

“There’s still proof that 11 or 10 teams together can create some significant value — even more than where we are with 12.”

A meeting of the UT regents scheduled for Tuesday likely will go a long way toward determining the outcome, and concerns remain over Texas A&M’s flirtation with the SEC.

Comments

LogicMan 4 years, 6 months ago

But go after Colorado State to get back the Denver TV market, and another like Arkansas, Utah, LaTech, or possibly Wyoming or NM(State) (but not many TVs there). Or maybe more to expand to 16.

Ceee 4 years, 6 months ago

An SI blog says Oklahoma and OSU are on their way to the Pac 10. That's in contrast with the LJWorld story that the Big12 - 2 will stay together. You've got to wonder if anybody knows what is happening, let alone what is going to happen. Conclusion: it's too soon to say. We'll have to wait.

LogicMan 4 years, 6 months ago

The KC Star has a story about penalties for leaving the Big 12, and disturbingly it says that 9 votes are needed to change the bylaws, but that the conference rules are silent on dissolution. And the Big 12 is incorporated in Delaware, so only a majority vote (7) would be needed to dissolve the corporation (the Big 12).

!!!!! So KU, KSU, MU, ISU, Baylor -- Tell Dan Beebee, now!, that if a successful vote to dissolve (to avoid the penalties) is likely, that we are (must be!) willing to waive the departure penalties so that we can retain the Big 12's infrastructure, BCS, etc. to allow mergers/expansion. Otherwise we'll be in a much weaker negotiating position as individual institutions.

DRsmith 4 years, 6 months ago

aTm is gone...put a fork in the Big 12...Big 11...Big 10...I mean Big 9.

Kawatchi 4 years, 6 months ago

Nice picture. Whose camera phone did they use for that?

Ivritman 4 years, 6 months ago

If the Pac 10 makes an offer, KU should take it. Do not think for a second there is any remaining loyalty among the Big 12 schools. MU is gone if the Big 10 makes an offer. Texas A&M will probably be in the SEC soon. KU has to act in it's own interest now.

greenworld 4 years, 6 months ago

I heard Tx is trying to make a deal to get Az and Az st into the Big 12 and then move Oklahoma to the North and one other.

frank mcguinness 4 years, 6 months ago

I would rather be getting our butts kicked from OU than beating some sorry team like memphis or new mexico.

yourworstnightmare 4 years, 6 months ago

Not gonna happen. This is a desperation rumor circulated by Beebe in the midst of his tremendous and public failure to reign in Texas and to hold the league together.

If it does hold, it would be foolish to want to stay in a conference that will have given even more concessions and control of operations and finances to Texas, the root of the problem in the first place.

A ten-member Big 12 with Texas at the helm is no salvation. Indeed, this would be a bad situation for all except Texas.

yourworstnightmare 4 years, 6 months ago

If the Pac 10 makes KU an offer, KU should take it. Even if the Big 12 holds, it won't be for long.

K_Verses_The_World 4 years, 6 months ago

It's not dead yet, but it's gettin' there...

i_read_things 4 years, 6 months ago

see orangebloods dot com June 14: In a bombshell development that could bring a halt to seismic changes in college realignment, sources tell Orangebloods.com Texas has been convinced by a plan presented by commissioner Dan Beebe to stay in a 10-member Big 12.

LogicMan 4 years, 6 months ago

"I heard Tx is trying to make a deal to get Az and Az st into the Big 12 and then move Oklahoma to the North and one other."

Well, that would be quite a turn-around on the PAC-10, and in character with the Texas way of doing things well! Worth a (long-) shot. OU and OSU should then go to the north.

ToriFreak13 4 years, 6 months ago

go get more schools minnesota...iowa...colorado state...

tollef 4 years, 6 months ago

Dan Beebe is NOT a meth cook.

Save the Hawks

Free the Hog!

Sparko 4 years, 6 months ago

Many people commenting here are ignorant of the fact that, as is, the Big XII was already the third-most lucrative league. Aside from spite, there was no good reason to flirt with the lesser PAC-10--especially with USC on respirators. This new TV deal, and others to come will dwarf other leagues. The Big XII also has more basketball revenue. A lot of "experts" on here denigrate basketball compared to football, but at its highest level at Kansas, it earnes five times as much as football, is a longer season, nets far more exposure for the individual institutions, and is cheap to support. The downside is that the Big XII no longer has the two doormat North BB teams to kick around any more.

LogicMan 4 years, 6 months ago

"The Big XII also has more basketball revenue."

Interesting. What's the ratio of 1-KU, and 2-total Big 12 conference BB revenue to FB revenue?

think_about_it 4 years, 6 months ago

Why is there a picture of George Costanza with this article?

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