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Nebraska to announce move to Big Ten

Tom Osborne is surrounded by members of the media at Big 12 Conference meetings last week. Sources have confirmed that Nebraska will leave the Big 12 for the Big 10 in the next few days.

Tom Osborne is surrounded by members of the media at Big 12 Conference meetings last week. Sources have confirmed that Nebraska will leave the Big 12 for the Big 10 in the next few days.

June 10, 2010

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Big 12 conference realignment

Nebraska announced officially Friday that it was leaving to join the Big Ten Conference. The school said it believes its academics fit better with the rest of the conference.

The Journal-World has confirmed reports that Nebraska University is planning to leave the 15-year-old Big 12 for the 115-year-old Big Ten.

A source familiar with the situation said Nebraska would make a formal announcement this weekend, and multiple other reports indicate that such an announcement could come as early as Friday.

“It’s a done deal,” the source said.

The news comes after weeks of speculation regarding Nebraska’s interest in joining an expanded Big Ten because of the more lucrative television revenue made possible by the Big Ten Network.

Nebraska’s inclusion, which is not yet official, would bring the Big Ten’s membership to 12. The conference has expressed an interest in expanding to as many as 16 but, at the moment, is interested in staying at 12, according to the source. Notre Dame could change that scenario, if it expresses interest in joining, the source said.

The Cornhuskers likely will remain in the Big 12 for the next two years. The conference requires at least two years notice of a team’s intention to leave. Even with that, the penalty for opting out is 50 percent of the revenue earned during those two lame-duck years. According to Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, if a school were to give less than two years’ notice, it could lose up to 90 percent of its revenue during the time it remains in the Big 12.

That, Beebe said, is just one of the things of which a school choosing to depart the Big 12 should be wary.

“It’s my view that any (institution) would be really risking a lot by going into another place where they’ll be outsiders for a long period of time,” Beebe said. “(They will) have to acclimate to a new and different culture and risk the chance that the success that they’ve gained will be dissipated over time. They’ll lose a lot more than they’ve gained.”

The loss of the Cornhuskers leaves the future of the Big 12 tenuous. But at least one person from Kansas University said Wednesday that he didn’t believe Nebraska bolting spelled the end for the Big 12.

“Our league’s not dead (if we lose Nebraska),” KU men’s basketball coach Bill Self said. “Not by any stretch.”

Self acknowledged that there are people with more authority than him in position to make the final decision. He also conceded that the tradition-rich KU basketball program had little say in the outcome.

“I don’t think this has anything to do with basketball,” he said. “Football is driving the buggy on this.”

KU football coach Turner Gill, who was a standout quarterback at Nebraska in the 1980s, deferred all comments to KU athletics director Lew Perkins. KU associate athletics director Jim Marchiony, speaking on behalf of the athletic department, said the university was operating on the basis that nothing had changed.

“As far as we’re concerned, it still is a rumor,” Marchiony said. “There’s no question that it’s still a rumor because there isn’t anyone who has heard anything official.”

Rumor or not, that doesn’t mean that officials at KU are not considering all potential outcomes.

“We’re working as hard as anyone,” Marchiony said. “I can tell you that. I know Lew’s been on the phone, but it’s still absolutely a rumor.”

If Nebraska’s departure becomes official, the focus shifts to the rest of the conference’s institutions, which have until Monday to declare their commitment to the Big 12. Nine votes are required to fold the conference, an act that would allow its members to go elsewhere without penalty.

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jmc 3 years, 10 months ago

The obvious answer. . . GO INDEPENDENT

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devobrun 3 years, 10 months ago

Why is all this happening? The knee-jerk answer is money, but....What is better than money? Power.

This consolidation could be the beginning of conference power and BCS power eclipsing the NCAA. If conferences get big enough and few enough, they can drop the NCAA. No NCAA means that new rules can be implemented that would include things like....paying players and negotiating TV contracts and setting up football championship playoffs, and all those things that the NCAA precludes.

Get rid of the college presidents. KU already owns the name and logo of the Jayhawks. They don't need a university. Athletics would separate themselves even more from the university and the athletic directors would deal with the university and their presidents even less.

Power conferences will dominate and the NCAA can take a hike. The semi-pro status of current athletes would become overt. Indeed, this whole conference thing could be limited to just football. College football becomes a true minor league (development league) for the pros. Don't even have to go to school.

Just ask USC if they would like to kick the NCAA to the curb right now.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

River city Give it a break. The Big 8 is gone, and again, you need twelve teams to be considered a BCS power league.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

eighty percent of you have no clue. We could form a new conferance. TCU, keep them in the south to give the Texans another intrastate rivalry. If NU and MU goes. We should invite BYU and Utah to the north. We should also invite Boise State to join us.
That would make seven teams north and south.
You guys are still talking about Colorado leaving. Pac 10 is not impressed with their academics. Don't think so. Plus they have Nothing to bring to the table athletically, only TV sets. Also, you need twelve teams in your league to qualify as a BCS league. Not at all sure that MU will even be invited (to the Big whatever it will be) Which would be typical of our windbags to the east.

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oneeye_wilbur 3 years, 10 months ago

ONe thing for sure, if KU starts playing far west schools or far east schools, the fans won't be there to eat hot dogs, all overpriced of course.

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tomyzeb 3 years, 10 months ago

EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING TO BIG 12:

1) Big 10 and PAC 10 have both gone stagnant somewhat in football and both would like to expand to at least 12 or more. WE ALL KNOW THAT. Also, there is strategy going on relative to a football playoff which will be BIG dollars.

2) Both the Big 10 & PAC 10 are proud & respected organizations w/ mostly quality membership. Big 10 is the oldest conference still in existence. It is very important to the presidents to keep their standards, reputation & + relations with other schools eg Big12 schools.

3) The Big 10, in particular, would not like to be the one that broke up the Big 12 so they have cherry picked ONE member that fits their criteria. Small realignments are common. They have known NU has been unhappy with TX calling the shots (contracts, standards, Big12 ch.game, etc.). Also, the decline of NU program has been a painful embarrassment. Being an EQUAL member of the Big 10 is highly prestigious and has many benefits for the academic side. All NU diplomas just went up in value. Real $$ to state.

4) Now the Big 10 will sit back and wait to see if the Big 12 can keep it together or if they can get ND to bite. If the Big 12 blows up, they then will consider KU & MU and Pitt, Rutgers, etc.

5) FYI MU vs. KU: If you look at all factors: KU fans that come out of the woodwork around USA for games; ad $ KU brings, acad. - both very equal to eyes of Big10. MU has better geographic fit.

6) FYI #2:, Big10 PRESIDENTS do not want UT that badly. Mixed blessing because they are not good at cooperating = big risk. ME, ME, ME. Maybe PAC10 is more desperate, but just because some hotshot devises a 6 team addition and tells the press does not mean all the Presidents are in favor. Very difficult or impossible to kick schools out of a conference.

  • KU and Indiana Univ. grad.
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toe 3 years, 10 months ago

Looks like the bet on Lew was wasted money. The weak Chancellor was a mistake too. I wonder how the fund raising over at the Alumni Center is going?

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LJ Whirled 3 years, 10 months ago

So ... it turns out that Lew isn't just a sleaze, he's also an idiot. Wait! What's that sound? It's the cash cow jumping the fence and leaving Kansas. Bye-bye big-time sports money.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

For every top-level football school a conference adds (Nebraska, Texas) conferences will also want add a mid-level one just so they occasionally have a chance of beating someone, and that certainly describes KU, which also brings one of the top-five basketball programs in the country. Basketball is most certainly on the table somewhere, even if a notch or two below football. It's likely ahead of academics on the list of considerations.

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Baron5 3 years, 10 months ago

Another solution to this mess would be for the BIG 12 to get a good TV deal. One of the major reasons some of the schools like Texas and Nebraska are leaving is TV revenue.

Last year Indiana made TWICE as much as Texas in TV revenue.

I live in Dallas and I can watch EVERY single BIG 10 football game on TV. Every single one. The Big 12 killed itself over the past decade by doing absolutely NOTHING for the conference in the way of marketing and television deals. Unless KU is ranked high enough, we'll get no additional exposure to the rest of the nation, which, last time I checked, includes every kid that wants to play college sports.....Next year KU has one nationally televised game against Southern Miss. That's a honey of a deal. Lets hope that millions tune in to watch KU play a powerhouse like Southern Miss.

Revenue rules the schools. More $ by better TV deals directly impacts the quality of education given to our KU students. If something isn't done now, KU will slide down the academic ladder with less and less funding each year.

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RiverCityConservative 3 years, 10 months ago

Bill Self bball coach AND athletic director. yeah! It starts today.

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RiverCityConservative 3 years, 10 months ago

first toss perkins overboard. all this chaos is partially resulting from him being preoccupied the last few weeks covering his assets.

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RiverCityConservative 3 years, 10 months ago

Big east needs followers. KU is a leader. Will not take a second fiddle role. Revive the Big 8. Just rev it up.

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Yawnmower 3 years, 10 months ago

KU would fit in with the Big East basketball programs. The travel logistics make no sense though. KSU would be a perfect fit in the Mountain West Mizzou has any number of options Iowa State - Should probably follow MU Nebraska alread gone CU already gone Texas has enough teams down there to form their own conference. The PAC 10 move makes me scratch my head from a logistics standpoint The Okies will follow Texas, agreed on that

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jayhawkato 3 years, 10 months ago

I don't want KU to be associated with mid-major schools, so I think KU should eliminate football progam and live with BB.

Big Ten: Nebraska Pac16: Texas, AM, TechProblem, Oklahoma, O-state, Colorado MWC: Iowa State, K-State, Mizzou Great Independent: KU (Basketball)!!

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 10 months ago

Isn't it odd that schools cannot switch without losing tons and tons of money in the process?

Why write in such a clause and why sign on to such a clause?

Athletics has become so so messy.

USD 497 has chosen to follow suit by not allowing taxpayers to vote on spending $20 million tax dollars for their athletic extravaganza which is very very ugly. If taxpayers would support such nonsense so be it BUT let them make that choice!!!

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jhokfan 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess I can’t blame the warden, easier schedule and more money. Initially they will be able to compete in the Big 10 but over time the conference will drag them down to their level just like they did with Penn State. SEC, Big 8/12 and Pac 10 have been better football conferences than Big 10 for a long time. Bottom line, Warden Tom is leaving because he's afraid of Texas. What a coward.

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Baron5 3 years, 10 months ago

The bottom line is that the BCS has ruined college football and is now taking the rest of college sports with it. I'm in Dallas so we're right in the middle of all the talk... Baylor will NEVER be allowed to go to the Pac10, They won't even go to the Mountain West after they blocked TCU from joining the Big 12.
In order for my Jayhawks to survive they need to leverage the basketball program in a football-centric conference move. KUs football program will NOT survive in the Mountain West or WAC. You can't build up an already mediocre conference to please the BCS. The money is not there. KUs best bets are for NotreDame to move totally to the Big 10, since ND football has no conference and their basketball program is in the Big East. The move could open up a slot for KU in the Big East. OR give the Big 10 the "We'll do whatever it takes" offer to get in on this deal. It could give the Big 10 more revenue in two sports instead of just one by adding Nebraska and Kansas as new teams to the conference. College athletics is moving toward the mega conferences controlled by the hand of the BCS, possibly setting up a playoff system. KU must make a move to a major conference or the revenue/recruiting in a tier 2 conference will see the football program fall first, followed up by several years of declining recruiting power in the basketball program.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 10 months ago

KU and KSU will go to the Mountain West, along with Boise State.

The MWC will get the BCS bid vacated by the dissolution of the Big 12.

The Big 12 will be the second conference that Texas has destroyed via vanity and greed.

Texas demanded to be the top dog in the SWC to the detriment of other teams, so those other teams (Arkansas) bolted, leaving Texas playing only Texas teams in front of only Texans.

Texas have tried to do the same thing with the Big 12, but NU and Osborne will have none of it and see greener pastures, at least pastures with less longhorn doo-doo on them.

Go Big Red in the Big 10!

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LogicMan 3 years, 10 months ago

CU's gone to the PAC-10, apparently and unfortunately. That likely means at least one other team from somewhere being added to the PAC-10.

Hopefully the TX and OK teams will stay with the Big 12, then go after some replacements/expansions. Arkansas, Colorado State, Wyoming, and TCU make sense.

But if the TX/OK teams bolt, we're stuck holding the bag. Like others are saying, rebuilding the Big8/12, headquartered in KC, with regional teams instead of going to the Big East, etc. would be be my vote. Unless KU is offered a bid by the Big 10, or maybe PAC-10.

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RiverCityConservative 3 years, 10 months ago

The Big 8 is reborn from its ashes like the phoenix.

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tolawdjk 3 years, 10 months ago

Should the Big 12 defunct, the key will be with the Pac-10s BCS claim. If the Pac-10/16 does as expected and now claim that they should have two auto BCS bids, that will throw the whole thing into a loop.

That will raise the ire of the SEC and force them to go looking for new members, because you can guarentee that the SEC will not cotton to someone besides them getting two BCS bids...deservedly so.

If the SEC goes looking, that forces the Big 10(12) to go looking for 4 more members, either bribing ND or pulling fb schools out of the Big East.

Whatever happens to KU in the immediate future, it won't be set in stone for 5-6 years.

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belva1996 3 years, 10 months ago

You may all hate this conference realignment, but I'm licking my chops to see how this can benefit MWC teams in getting an auto BCS bid.

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belva1996 3 years, 10 months ago

As a Mountain West Conference fan, let me say this. Join up with MWC, or raid the MWC for its best teams. Our conference is extremely close to getting an auto bid anyway. Take BYU, TCU and Utah, maybe Air Force, and Boise State from the WAC. Combine that with Big 12 leftovers and you've got a formidable football conference. But stop calling us mid majors. With regards to football, I'd put my BYU team (and Utah and TCU for that matter) up against your crappy Big 12 leftover teams any day of the week.

Now you know what it feels like to be classified as insignificant.

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Boston_Corbett 3 years, 10 months ago

..........and I had been so worried about what sportswriters would write about daily for the next six months or so to fill their news budgets.

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Ricky_Vaughn 3 years, 10 months ago

Texas is the lynch pin here. If they go, KU, KSU, ISU, MU, and CU will be left out in the cold. Their best option may be to try and steal teams like TCU, Houston, etc and create a new conference out it all.

However, I don't see how adding a bunch of mid-majors with small TV markets will earn the conference a BCS bid.

The left over schools may scatter, all doing what's best for themselves. KU may run to the ACC or something crazy and protect their basketball interests, while CU may join the Mountain West, or Missouri might join the Big 10, SEC, C-USA even?

All I know is that it seems the Big 12 as we know it will soon be history.

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1983Hawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm hoping and praying that the deafening silence, save for the brief statement Marchiony gave, about our ability and willingness to separate ourselves from the grapes in order to land on our feet means that something is going on behind the scenes.

Nothing public on separation from Parkinson or Docking. Could it be they are being politically correct and astute while they know Lew and/or Gray-Little are quietly working on landing us a decent slot someplace, likely out west?

Contrast this with the grapes. Senator Sam the Enlightened was slobbering all over himself this morning on 610 am, insisting that ku and kstate ending up together if the big 12 is gone is "reality" the way he perceives it. He gave similar quotes to Topeka paper last night. Schulz came on the same station 30 minutes later, desperate to deliver the same message. Lykins has been lying thru his teeth insisting on no separation all along, and I strongly suspect he's the "source who would know" who fed the yahoo reporter the disinformation about a state law supposedly mandating togetherness.

I'm hoping the silence of key state and KU leaders means our cards are being held closer to our vests and that we are quietly and diplomatically negotiating ourselves into the last spot on a lifeboat.

It's either that or they are being totally stupid and not at all proactive and are getting badly outmaneuverd by the grapes from a PR standpoint during this critical period.

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bobberboy 3 years, 10 months ago

When it comes to sports it's always always about money !!

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red_devil 3 years, 10 months ago

Wow. This really is the forum of the uninformed. Raid the Wac?? Form a new Big 8? If you all hadn't been so busy drooling over the Lew Perkins sh*storm, you might have half a clue as to what's going on.

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hooligan01 3 years, 10 months ago

Just bring North Dakota State in to fill Nebraskas place.

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RiverCityConservative 3 years, 10 months ago

Big 10 is 115 years old?

Big 8 is 107 years old, originally the Missouri Valley, and including Nebraska.

I say revive the Big 8 brand. Much deeper tradition than Big 12. KU, K-State, Missouri, Oklahoma St. get together and decide who else gets to stay. Bring the head office back to KC.

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KUKRU 3 years, 10 months ago

So what if everyone leaves. Personally I feel like our football team will be even better. It might not mean that we go to a BCS bowl every year but bowl bound every year we shall be. Assuming we don't stay in the Big 12 or get swallowed up by the SEC. We have a stand alone basketball team that will play anyone anywhere and beat them. People will always pay good money to watch our sports! So Eff the rest of these greedy money hungry schools. This is all about drawing a line in the sand and saying are you with us or are you not!

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edjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not excited about playing OU in football every year. If only NU leaves I would hope OSU would go to the north as they are geographically more north then OU.

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Richard Payton 3 years, 10 months ago

Texas makes more TV money by staying in the Big 12 then going to the Big 10. Also, the Pac-10 is two hours different which makes student athletics playing night games missing class. The Big 12 can gain two huge TV markets by inviting TCU or Houston to the Big 12. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could move to the North division thus having Oklahoma play Texas in the football champship game. These are just a few things I've heard on sports radio 610 AM which made sense.

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sciencegeek 3 years, 10 months ago

So much for college being about education, or college sports being "amateur". It's not just about money, it's about MORE money. And NU had the audacity to say it was for improved "research" opportunities. Bull feathers!!! NU and TO got their nose out of joint when they weren't the top dog anymore, and their pouting made them a target for the Big 10.

What I don't get is why the Texas schools think they can't exist without NU. Or why jumping to the snotty Pac-10 is going to do them any good. They already control the Big 12; do they think they have a chance of dominating the California elite? That USC is going to roll over for the Longhorns? And all of Boone Pickens cash isn't going to gain respect for OSU with that California-and-others league. They'll be on the bottom of the chute.

But hey, the rich will get richer and the rest will get dumped on. That's become the American way.

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musbhiorlo 3 years, 10 months ago

you know what the "N" on the Nebraska helmet stands for? Nowledge

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sciencegeek 3 years, 10 months ago

So much for college being about education, or college sports being "amateur". It's not just about money, it's about MORE money. And NU had the audacity to say it was for improved "research" opportunities. Bull feathers!!! NU and TO got their nose out of joint when they weren't the top dog anymore, and their pouting made them a target for the Big 10.

What I don't get is why the Texas schools think they can't exist without NU. Or why jumping to the snotty Pac-10 is going to do them any good. They already control the Big 12; do they think they have a chance of dominating the California elite? That USC is going to roll over for the Longhorns? And all of Boone Pickens cash isn't going to gain respect for OSU with that California-and-others league. They'll be on the bottom of the chute.

But hey, the rich will get richer and the rest will get dumped on. That's become the American way.

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tolawdjk 3 years, 10 months ago

Academics will make a reappearence?

Riiiiiiiiiight.

That would mean that the legislature would have to fund the repairs on the buildings to keep them from falling down. As long as athletics are at KU then the University gets to mooch off of leftover Athletics Dept. leavings.

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Steve Jacob 3 years, 10 months ago

The only thing the Big 12 would have of value if the Texas schools leave is the BCS birth, and if we can keep that, we can raid the the best of the WAC, Mountain West, and C-USA.

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Steven Gaudreau 3 years, 10 months ago

Neb is gone. If Tex leaves, KU and Lawrence will be in a very bad economic situation. Lew, it's time you earn your money and save us all. I, for one, am glad Lew is the one trying to find the best solution. I know 99% of you hate Lew but if you wanted someone negotiating a deal for you, this is the man you would want. No, I do not work for KU. I am not a friend of Lew's either but have spent time with the man. He is intelligent, shrewd and commands the room. I do not like some decisions he has made which were good for KU's bottom line and not Lawrence but his job is to make money for KU, not Lawrence. We need Lew to fix this problem.

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consumer1 3 years, 10 months ago

On a more serious note, what will be the economic fallout for the average retailer(s) in Lawrence when the number of people coming to Ks drop off dramatically? Does the city of Lawrence see an economic downturn? We are a small market, always have been. Big money is about to get bigger. I forcast serious economic trouble for the city of Lawrence. Will KU basketball sustain us? I would be interested in knowing what the local power brokers are forcasting?

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consumer1 3 years, 10 months ago

Money has reared its big ugly head and is biting KU in the tukas. Who knows maybe academics will make a reappearance?

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Bill Lee 3 years, 10 months ago

How about a new "Big Eight" consisting of Missouri, Missouri State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Wichita State, Colorado and Northern Colorado. If other conferences can raid, why not us. This would make a better than average conference.

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coldplay 3 years, 10 months ago

Self to Michigan State if Izzo bolts to the Cavs.

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Uhjh 3 years, 10 months ago

So TO didn't like Texas being the big dog in the conference. Nebraska will have a hard time being top dog in the big 10/11.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 10 months ago

Herbie Husker has left the building.

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tpatt 3 years, 10 months ago

Lets hope that Lew has reached out to the Big East.

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DRsmith 3 years, 10 months ago

They don't want Mizzou. Just need a replacement for NU and CU.

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vuduchyld 3 years, 10 months ago

Replace Nebraska with TCU. Done.

If Mizzou goes, too, they can be replaced with Houston or Memphis.

I know there is a lot of hatred for the Texas teams since the expansion from the Big Eight, but Texas is driving the bus right now. As long as Texas doesn't bolt for the Pac 10 (bringing Tech, aTm, Baylor, OU, and OSU), the Big XII is going to be fine and so is KU.

I hope the key players aren't wasting their breath on the phone with Mizzou. Put DeLoss Dodds on speed dial, folks.

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bradh 3 years, 10 months ago

It must be true, Wikipedia already shows NU in the Big 10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_...

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Randall Uhrich 3 years, 10 months ago

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Shardwurm 3 years, 10 months ago

I think KU and KSU should form a two-team conference. With KU's experience with ticket sales we could all be rich!

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

anon 1958. Your bitterness and gloating are getting really old.
Grow up or go away. Punk.

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anon1958 3 years, 10 months ago

The Big 12 will soon be the Forlorn Four, or the Fly-Over Four, or the Futile Four, or the Abandoned Athletes. My favorite though would be to rename the conference the "Final Four" but I am afraid the irony would be wasted on a lot of people. In another post which vanished along with the article I proposed renaming the Big 12 as Beebe's Dweebs, the Remaining Ragamuffins or Lew's Loo.

On reflection though maybe we should name the left over conference "The Missing Tickets" since so many tickets as well as teams will now be gone!

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