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Bloody Israeli raid sparks crisis

June 1, 2010

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Demonstrators gather Monday at Sergelstorg Square in Stockholm, Sweden, to protest against Israel.

Demonstrators gather Monday at Sergelstorg Square in Stockholm, Sweden, to protest against Israel.

— Israeli commandos rappelled down to an aid flotilla sailing to thwart a Gaza blockade on Monday, clashing with pro-Palestinian activists on the lead ship in a botched raid that left at least nine passengers dead.

Bloodied passengers sprawled on the deck and troops dived into the sea to save themselves during several hours of hand-to-hand fighting that injured dozens of activists and six soldiers. Hundreds of activists — many of whom were apparently Turkish — were towed from the international waters to Israeli detention centers and hospitals.

International condemnation was swift and harsh as Israel scrambled to explain how what was meant to be a simple takeover of a civilian vessel went so badly awry.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu abruptly canceled a planned meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington to rush home. The global reaction appeared likely to increase pressure to end the embargo that has plunged Gaza’s 1.5 million residents deeper into poverty.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

No surprise. They were attempting to reach the Gaza Ghetto, and got the same reaction that anyone attempting to supply aid to the Warsaw Ghetto, a S. African township or Soviet Gulag might have received.

Brent Garner 4 years, 11 months ago

Bozo, you betray, yet again, your myopic viewpoint. Let us not forget that Israel experiences daily rockets attacks from Gaza. These rockets are typically aimed at Sderot and its environs. These rockets are highly inaccurate. They have hit civilian homes and even a kindergarten. Additionally, Hamas from Gaza fires mortars at civilians on the Israeli side of the border. Just what would you have Israel do? If Eudora were firing daily rockets and mortars into Lawrence what would Lawrence do? Get off your so called high moral ground and stop being so hypocritical. Hamas is under blockade for a good reason and its not even a total blockade. Israel supplies electricity, fuel oil, gasoline, and lots of other things to the residents of Gaza. Israel even allows Gaza residents into Israel for medical care. All Israel is insisting via this blockade is that no weapons or weapon related materials or terrorists enter Gaza. That is not even a blockade. That is an interdiction more in line with what the US did versus Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Even Egypt restricts what flows into Gaza.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

My myopic viewpoint? Maybe you happily swallow Israel's mass-murderous hypocrisy whole, but I choose not to.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/gaza-flotilla-eyewitness-accounts-gunfire

"(Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin) told reporters that she and her child hid in the bathroom of their cabin during the confrontation. "The operation started immediately with firing. First it was warning shots, but when the Mavi Marmara wouldn't stop these warnings turned into an attack," she said.

"There were sound and smoke bombs and later they used gas bombs. Following the bombings they started to come on board from helicopters."

Cetin is among a handful of Turkish activists to be released; more than 300 remain in Israeli custody. She said she agreed to extradition from Israel after she was warned that conditions in jail would be too harsh for her child.

"I am one of the first passengers to be sent home, just because I have baby. When we arrived at the Israeli port of Ashdod we were met by the Israeli interior and foreign ministry officials and police; there were no soldiers. They asked me only a few questions. But they took everything – cameras, laptops, cellphones, personal belongings including our clothes," she said."

citizen0123 4 years, 11 months ago

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Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Well, I shouldn't be surprised either. It's amazing but true that a culture and religion that places so much emphasis on morality, justice, and peace is so hated. Anyone that gets curious about that can do some reading about it, or attend a Jewish worship service sometime. Those three things, plus the love of God are the only things talked about.

I guess it's just part of the human condition for some to hate something they don't know anything about.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

And then there's the old saying, "The moment the Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace. The moment the Israelis lay down their weapons there will be no Israel."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

"video evidence seems to show a much different story."

And all you've seen are highly edited Israeli videos, and probably explains why the Israelis are confiscating nearly everything from the ships' passengers, including anything that could take video.

Eyewitness accounts indicate that this was a full-out military attack, but I'm not surprised to see the usual apocalyptic righties fully supporting more mass murder of unarmed civilians by the Israelis. That's what God wants, after all.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

"Depends on the veracity of your "eyewitnesses" doesn't it?"

Most of the potential witnesses who were kidnapped in international waters are still imprisoned, and all of their personal effects, including any sort of recording devices, have been confiscated.

"Full-out military attack" my heinie."

Well, there are at least ten dead from the aid ships, and no dead attackers. And nearly all of these passengers are now being held hostage, for what exact purpose we still don't know. So it was either a military attack, or merely criminal.

Liberty275 4 years, 11 months ago

Why do turks think they can invade Israeli waters and not be attacked?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

A. It was Israel who did all of the attacking.

B. They did it in international waters against unarmed civilian ships carrying humanitarian aid.

C. The ships were heading to Gaza, not Israel.

Liberty275 4 years, 11 months ago

Why do turks think they can invade Israeli waters and not be attacked?

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Shoot rockets at kindergardens, that's not a crisis. Blow up a bus full of commuters, that's not a crisis. Shoot a missle at a passenger airliner and miss, that's not a crisis.

But step foot on a ship with paintguns for weapons, NOW THAT IS A CRISIS!

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

But, we need oil from the Arabs, so as Gilda Radner so aptly put it:

Nevermind.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

Israel has killed and injured Palestinians ten-fold of what you want to whine about.

If Israel wants a solution to this crisis, then they have to be part of a solution, not the source of most of the problem.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Gee, this sure does remind me of something from the Jewish Talmud. It's the first question that a potential gerim is asked by the beit din:

Why should you wish to become a proselyte; do you not know that the people of Israel at the present time are persecuted and oppressed, despised, harassed, and overcome with afflictions?

That was written in the Middle Ages, circa 1400 C.E. Things have not changed much in the last 600 years.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

I guess they've decided that if they are to be despised, they might as well deserve it

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Sounds like you're confusing Zionists with Jews. That's OK, lots of people make that silly mistake, you're not alone.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

No, not at all, it's Ivrit, and if you don't recognize it, you're out of your league in this discussion.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

What you mean is that you want to make declarations, however unintelligible to most readers, not have a discussion.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Sure, Bozo, whatever you say. But that's always expressed in leshon hakodesh.

independant1 4 years, 11 months ago

Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east. There are arabs elected to public office/kenneset in Israel. Arabs own private property in Israel and serve in the IDF.

Not so in arab countries as far as democracy/jewish ownership/jewish investment/jewish public service is concerned.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

For sure, independant1. But you did leave out something. Israel is the only country in that part of the world with anything like what we think of as freedom of religion.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

And as far as a picture being worth a thousand words, one need look no farther than some of the comments posted here.

Cooky_the_Cook 4 years, 11 months ago

I agree with Bozo. Jews are Nazi racist Communist Zionist mass murderers of unarmed civilians who speak a secret code language and deserve to be despised.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Secret Code Language = Hebrew. Another Secret Code Language = German.

Most Jews grow up knowing at least two and usually more languages, which are considered Secret Codes by people who know only one.

Be sure you don't ever get sick or need a lawyer - Jews are overrepresented in both of those fields, because of the importance attatched to education and learning by the Jewish culture.

Abdu Omar 4 years, 11 months ago

First of all, Israel is occupying the Palestinian territories illegally. There have been hundredsd of UN sanctions against that occupation. Second, the hoax of missles in Israel is staged by the Israelis and they admitted that. Third, Israel is building settlements on Palestinian land, again against the UN Resolutions.

WE Americans support Israel because of the AIPAC lobby that controls Congressmen. they cannot get elected if AIPAC is not FOR them. That is why all candidate for federal political office gives speeches about how they support Israel. Have you ever heard of one not supporting Israel? and if so, did they win?

Israel has us by the cajones and they know it. When we will get free from it?

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

Oh, mabye about the same time the United States quits supporting the Palistinians through UNRWA?

Oh, so that doesn't sound like a Secret Code Language to you, it's an acronym for The United Nations Relief and Works Agency. It's for the Palestine Refugees in the Near East. Amazing, but no other refugee group has had its own support agency supported by the U.N. for so many decades.

Corey Williams 4 years, 11 months ago

"...but no other refugee group has had its own support agency supported by the U.N. for so many decades."

Because no other refugee group has needed one for that length of time.

Stop confusing a realistic look at Israel with anti semitism.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

"Stop confusing a realistic look at Israel with anti semitism."

Count up 15 comments. I said exactly the same thing, using different words.

independant1 4 years, 11 months ago

Not so, Israel is one of our best allies and, unlike other so called allies, is more likely to vote with the USA at UN.

Israel is a bastion of freedom in a hostile part of the world surrounded by arab enemies.

What are the chances of a jewish temple (or for that matter a christian church) in Medina or Mecca?

We americans support Israel because they share common democratic ideals with USA (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness).

Why do the arabs get a pass on religious tolerance? A pass on Israel's right to exist? Yes, Israel does have a right to exist.

Hamas, propped up by many arab countries, vow to exterminate jews as part and parcel to their platform. How on earth can one give them a pass on that?

My friends, arabs need desparately to politically and socially enter this century. The palestinian cause and larger arab antisemite obsession does not just make victims of the jews. Their number one victims are the palestinians and the larger arab/muslim world. Why can the Israeli/jewish detractors herein not criticise muslims or their religion and culture? Where are yours?

There are debatable points to be made about the founding of jewish state and the rights of palestinians but the only points found here are blatently racist/antisemite. Palestinians have had ample opportunity to better their lot but unhappily their leadership is not able to take a step in a postive direction.

For one I do not understand why the arab nations, especially the palestinians, do not cooperate with their high tech, socially progressive neighbor, Israel. It's in their best interests.

Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Palestinian politcal goals are truely insane.

And what is usefull about a culture of hate where drawing a simple picture of a prophet can result in a death?

Compare jewish and arab contributions to the hard and soft sciences like mathmatics and politcal science in the last century. What is wrong with this picture?

jaywalker 4 years, 11 months ago

Shocker that bozo would be hijacking this thread with his anti-Israel baloney. If you think that flotilla didn't know exactly what they were doing and what they were going to instigate you're a fool. They had their press releases ready to go the second they set sail. This was a hype-job from the outset. Fortuitous that some idiotic "activist" would be on board with her BABY, for the love....more fodder for the simpletons that refuse to see the whole picture.

independant1 4 years, 11 months ago

I tell you, there are some pretty peculiar blokes on this beach. (Pvt. Clough)

Flap Doodle 4 years, 11 months ago

Get your red flag off the wall & go help the "peace activists", bozo. Just being Mr. Snarky on the internet won't bring about the destruction of Israel.

Mixolydian 4 years, 11 months ago

In response to Hitler murdering millions of Jews, the mentally deficient and gays, in 1948 the U.N. officially recognized the nation of Israel, the state of Oklahoma and the city of San Francisco.

Look it up. It's in the new Texas schools curriculum history book.

ilikestuff 4 years, 11 months ago

The Israelis blockade the Gaza strip for good reason...

Hamas has a long & regrettable history of attacking innocent Israeli civilians by any means available. It’s well-known that Hamas is receiving such weaponry from like-minded Moslems seemingly the world over. Given Israel is a tiny country surrounded by States daily calling for it’s destruction it must abide by strict self-defense policies.

The Israeli demand is legitimate; bring the “aid” supplies to the specified Israeli port where it’ll be offloaded, checked for weapons & delivered through the specified checkpoint/s. As such, the Israelis were set up… The Moslem fanatics in the flotilla were itching for a confrontation as were their sponsors both state & private ones.

I find the UN, EU & US responses to this tragedy particularly hypocritical but not surprising. Where are such responses when Hamas fires rockets into Israel almost daily killing innocent civilians? Where is such outrage & condemnation when a Moslem fanatic blows up an Israeli market place or bus filled w/innocent civilians?

What hypocrites! The Obama administration was expectedly non-committal when it should have been fiercely defending the only Middle Eastern Democracy & only responsible Middle Eastern nuclear power. Europe, Russia, the Middle East… they are the birth place & nurturing grounds of anti-Semitism, it’s only right they would react so.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

"Hamas has a long & regrettable history of attacking innocent Israeli civilians by any means available."

Israelis kill way more Palestinian civilians than vice versa.

Should Palestinians be blockading Israel, given the $3 billion in military aid they get every year? Shouldn't Hamas be able to commandeer any ship in international waters heading towards Israel? And if some of the crew and passengers are killed, well, that's just too bad.

independant1 4 years, 11 months ago

Israel since founding has done an excellent job of defense.

If the palestinian cause could just drop the "kill all jews" plank in their collective platform, real progress can be made to resolve the palestinian issue.

If islam could tolerate other religions the world could be a better place. (tolerate as in religious freedom)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 11 months ago

Actually, majorities of both Israelis and Palestinians say they want to find a way to peacefully coexist.

Unfortunately, just as in the case in the US, ethnic hatred, belligerence and the worship of violence hold sway among the leaders of both sides, so tit-fot-tat violence remains the order of the day. And with $3 billion in mostly military aid from the US every year, the Israelis are the easy winners in that deadly game.

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