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Employees share wage theft stories at worker justice clinic

Attendants listen Saturday to a speaker give his account of an incident of wage theft that occurred to him during the Lawrence Worker Justice Coalition meeting at Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt.

Attendants listen Saturday to a speaker give his account of an incident of wage theft that occurred to him during the Lawrence Worker Justice Coalition meeting at Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt.

July 11, 2010


More clinics scheduled

• Will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. the fourth Monday of each month, starting July 26, at Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt.

• Volunteers and lawyers will be available to assist those who have been unfairly treated by their employers.

• Bilingual interpreters will be available.

• Volunteers are still needed for the clinics, and a volunteer training will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Monday at the church.

• For more information, call 843-3220, ext. 14, or e-mail

They clean our dishes, cook our meals and grow our food.

Mistreated workers gather for meeting

Low-wage and immigrant workers in Lawrence gathered to take part in a Worker's rights justice meeting. Some local workers claim they have been the victims of unfair treatment in the workplace. Enlarge video

But lower-wage — and particularly immigrant — workers don’t always get paid for all the work they do in our community.

It’s called “wage theft,” and several area workers who have experienced it shared their stories Saturday at the first Lawrence Worker Justice Coalition meeting at Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt.

Juan Miguel Turcios, an undocumented immigrant from Honduras, gave one example of how businesses in Lawrence treat such workers unfairly. Turcios, who has been in the United States four years, said he was recently hurt on the job. That injury led to an infection and a $4,000 hospital visit — an expense his employer won’t pay, and one he can’t.

It’s a story that’s becoming more and more common and was the catalyst for Saturday’s meeting and future worker justice clinics, said Shannon Gorres, director of Hispanic ministries at Plymouth.

“We continue to hear stories of workers not being paid,” she said.

Gorres said those stories of wage theft include employers simply not paying employees for weeks and months at a time, using wages as rent in homes the employers own, and denying overtime and minimum wage. “They think they have no leverage,” Gorres said.

But Saturday’s meeting was a first step to empower area workers to fight for better treatment. Monthly worker justice clinics, featuring lawyers, volunteers and advocates, will help low-wage workers understand their rights. The clinics will also serve as an entry point for worker rights complaints.

Adam Huggins, a representative for the U.S. Department of Labor, spoke at the meeting and said his agency wants to help workers obtain fair wages and treatment, whether they’re U.S. citizens or undocumented workers. The department has started a new campaign called “We can help” that encourages workers to make complaints when labor laws are violated.

Getting education and awareness out to the community is also vital, Gorres said, as the community may not realize such unfair treatment of workers happens here in Lawrence.

And she thinks the Lawrence community would be outraged if they knew some of the area businesses they frequent don’t treat workers fairly.

“I don’t want to eat food made with slave labor,” she said. “Support businesses that support ethical employment practices.”


yankeevet 7 years, 8 months ago

Slavery has never left; they just changed the name too employee.............

michial2 7 years, 8 months ago

NO!! A legal worker has rights!! And a minimum wage guarantee The illegals are the ones with a problem

1957 7 years, 8 months ago

This is not slavery. Everyone has the right to quit a job and find one where they will be treated fairly. The article though points out how this isn't always possible. An "undocumented worker" complains about his treatment yet he too is a lawbreaker who is behaving in an unethical manner. These "undocumented workers" distort the labor market by coming in and working for substandard wages and conditions because they are not free to easily move from job to job or file complaints with authorities because of their illegal, opps, "undocumented" status. My first reaction is to fine and punish the employer for hiring people that hurt the labor market for all others but this is clearly is not seen as a problem by the writer or the Lawrence Worker Justice Coalition. The "undocumented worker" is every bit the thief his corrupt employer is.

Maddy Griffin 7 years, 8 months ago

Two wrongs don't make a right. However 3 lefts will.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 8 months ago

Do you not have the slightest bit of embarassment for holding illegal immigrants to the fire for breaking the law, but justifying Americans turning our back on our principles of law, order, justice and civility?

Your type of thinking is as big a threat to What American is as any illegal immigrant.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Some of your comments are not accurate. Undocumented workers are free to file claims with the Department of Labor. See my comments below about the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). It protects workers regardless of citizenship status. If the employer falls under the jurisdiction of the FLSA, the worker has rights to standards such as the minimum, wage, overtime, etc. even if the worker is not here legally.

Furthermore, these workers are free to move from job to job and they do. Most of them quit since the employer is refusing to pay them and they move on to other jobs where they do get paid for their work. They may not be as flexible to find jobs in other industries, but they do find other jobs.

Steve Jacob 7 years, 8 months ago

Wait a second? Mr. Turcios is here illegally and his employer knows this? Why is Mr. Turcios not deported and employer not arrested?

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

The second sentence needed editing. "But lower-wage — and particularly illegal alien — workers don’t always get paid for all the work they do in our community." There, I fixed it for you.

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

Fine the employer/criminal and deport the illegal alien.

Since the 1986 Regan final amnesty of 3 mil. illegal aliens and subsequent fines for employing an illegal alien, no honest business employs illegal aliens.

Prosecute the employers of illegals and send the illegal aliens home.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 8 months ago

This is mostly about people doing illegal things and then becoming victimized. Because they are here illegally, they can't risk the exposure, so they choose not to file complaints. I bet 90% of these instances involve undocumented workers.

giveitsomethought 7 years, 8 months ago

Adam Huggins, a representative for the U.S. Department of Labor, spoke at the meeting and said his agency wants to help workers obtain fair wages and treatment, whether they’re U.S. citizens or undocumented workers.

And here we have a representative of the federal government backing illegals. This is ridiculous to say the least. They are illegal......I would say they have no rights, but that is incorrect. They are not suppose to have any rights other than to get deported.

I for one am getting tired of everything being in Spanish. English as a second language.... take that class from somewhere outside the USA.

Nick Yoho 7 years, 8 months ago

one good thing about America, is you have the freedom to talk in any language you like.

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

that about sums it up

why reward illegal behavior?

Jean1183 7 years, 8 months ago

Why not "invite" ICE to the meetings?

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

Drug dealers = undocumented pharmacists

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

What would teabaggers do if illegal immigration were actually stopped? Who would they hate? (I have a feeling we don't want to know the answer to that last question.)

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

Not possible to stop illegal immigration but USA needs to reduce the chaos, the disastrous flood, the blatent disregard for our borders and laws the economic refugees are perpetrating.

Allowing this economic flight is an undue burden to honest people and only enables the corrupt political/economic states they are fleeing. Why are they coming here in such humongous numbers? It's the money.

1957 7 years, 8 months ago

This is a non sequitur concerning the facts being discussed but I am sure you feel better about yourself now.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Your comment assumes that any "criminal activity" is wrong and should not be accepted. Just because an action is legal or illegal according to the law does not mean we should accept or reject it. I need not remind you that slavery was once legal in this country. I know it's an extreme example and the issue of immigration is much more complex, but just because an action has been determined illegal according to current laws does not mean one should reject it.

I find it hard to condemn undocumented immigrants who leave their country when the choice can be a matter of life and death for their families. Many leave because their children will literally starve if they don't. Faced with the same circumstances, I would probably make the same decision. The law is fluid and constantly evolving and current laws regarding immigration need to be changed to reflect the current challenges that we face as a result of globalization.

We need to examine the push and pull factors that cause people to leave Mexico and Central America by the hundreds every day and risk their lives to come to the U.S. We need to have a national dialogue about the issue of immigration that is grounded in the dignity of all human beings. Unfortunately, undocumented immigrants are often victims of hate and racism by groups that mask this hate as patriotic defense of the law. Maybe that is what Bozo is upset about.

Bobo Fleming 7 years, 8 months ago

marxist theory of profit indicates that all profit for the business owner is "theft" of the true value of the workers work.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 8 months ago

Another way of looking at that is that when you sell something wholesale, you will be paid less than the retail value. Is it "theft" when Walmart sells Sony TVs for more than they paid Sony for them? When we seek to be employed by others, we are marketing our skills/energy/time at a wholesale rate, an our employers "add value" to our raw human resources, selling the fruit of our efforts at a profit.

Anyone who doesn't like what they are being paid can attempt self-employment, but if you are in the business of picking strawberries and don't own the fields, then you are at a disadvantage.

Marx spun it well, but it was a spin.

michial2 7 years, 8 months ago

Why not give the name of the business employing the illegals? Why should they be given the anonymity they do not deserve? At least then we will know where not to spend our money that we paid taxes on! Calling illegals undocumented is like calling a bank robbery an undocumented withdrawal. They NEED to be removed from our workforce and sent home. But then our government would give them unemployment! GO ARIZONA!!! doing the job the feds and other states wont do.

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

then Adam Huggins should be reprimanded/brought up on charges for enabling illegal immigration

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't know what teabaggers have planned, but Tea Party members would probably breath a huge sigh of relief if the feds took effective action to deal with the illegal alien invasion of America.

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

this is cr@p - undocumented worker egads, is it official policy of the Dept of Labor to ignore federal immigration law in order to gain more clients to increase their budget? Or is it Dept. of Labor policy to blindly enforce labor law in a vacuum?

The Dept. of Labor needs to observe the other laws of the land, take the blinders off - fine the employer and turn the other illegal activity over to ICE.

Will Dept. of Labor representative report evidence of murder they stumble across when advising/enforcing Labor Law?

They are illegally in this country, they are law breakers, call them economic refugees if you wish. Our Immigration laws have political refugee status but economic refugee status is not as easy if possible at all to get.

We need policy to reward good behavior and punish the bad.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

What the article failed to mention is that the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) protects workers regardless of their citizenship status. It requires that employers who fall under the jurisdiction of the FLSA comply with standards such as minimum wage, overtime pay, etc. You can find out more information here.

So it's not that the DOL is helping undocumented immigrants because they want more funding or because of some ideology. They are merely enforcing the labor laws that our elected government set forth.

Furthermore, they are not breaking the law by failing to report undocumented workers who file a claim. It is similar to when the police do not deport an undocumented woman when she calls because she has been a victim of domestic violence.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

That is a better explanation of the law, but I don't think you're disagreeing with me. Am I wrong? The law does not require that they report undocumented immigrants. I think the reason is that policy makers and police officers know that this would do more harm than good in some instances such as domestic violence and wage theft. Any insights into this?

devobrun 7 years, 8 months ago

bozo, it isn't the illegal immigrants that teabaggers hate, it is the government they hate.

A government that passes laws making it illegal to walk over a border and work without documents. A government that sends a representative to talk to these law-breakers about how to recover lost wages, or combat other malfeasance on the part of an employer. A government that operates as if there are no immigration laws when there are laws, but chooses to not enforce those laws.

A government that enforces laws against it's own citizens, but not against undocumented and illegal entrants to the country.

The present system promotes civil unrest and reduces respect for the law. Employers are disinclined to obey the law regarding these workers because the government is doing just that. Laws are meant to be broken is the clear message. Employers are simply justifying their bad behavior with a rational response to the governments bad behavior.

Our government is broken. The idea that we are a country of laws has been replaced by the idea that we are a country of political power. It isn't the law that runs our country, it is politicians and bureaucrats. And when federal attorneys overrule laws (on direction of politicians) we trash the constitution.
Immigration is just one of several ways that the federal government is not working.

Tony Kisner 7 years, 8 months ago

If Juan went to LMH to get his leg fixed his bill has already been paid by you and me.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 8 months ago

Yep. We financed his healthcare because he'll probably never pay it.

skinny 7 years, 8 months ago

Kansas needs to follow in Arizona’s footsteps or we'll all be paying higher taxes, and for what??

Jimo 7 years, 8 months ago

If you refuse to have a workable legal immigration system, you won't be able to avoid a workable illegal immigration system. Fix the first, you fix the second. Stop the conspiracy between the business community and bigots that works to prevent change.

Kat Christian 7 years, 8 months ago

If these employers pull this on immigrates they will pull this on young unsuspecting kids new to the workforce. It has to be stopped now. This is just wrong. How do people sleep at night knowing they cheated another human being?

camper 7 years, 8 months ago

This used to be a practice used to the detriment of American workers. Especially coal miners and seasonal farm laborers. Some practices included no cash employment, which meant your wages were paid for via housing and credit at the company owned store. Many coal miners were not paid for what was called "dead time". This was generally any time that coal was not being extracted and included laying track, drilling holes for explosives, clearing debris, and weighing coal.

Since it is much harder and riskier to exploit American workers, unethical employers are shifting these practices to undocumented workers evidentally. These are dirty jobs that most Americans will not do. Populist sentiment for securing the borders and immigration reform (which is good), but at the same time we make concessions when seasonal labor is needed to pick the cabbage and lettuce crop and to work in meat plants.

I'm not really a union guy, but stories like this make me appreciate what they have done in the past.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Camper, I appreciate you thoughts. Certain industries depend on undocumented immigrants and one reason that deporting every one is a bad idea is that it would have a devastating effect on these industries and businesses. Not to mention that mass deportation is not practical nor financially viable. These workers are not taking jobs away from Americans, they are filling a need in our economy. However, changing the laws to provide a legal way for these needs to be filled would not change the problem of wage theft.

The article also failed to mention that a U.S. citizen also spoke at the Coalition event about his experience of wage theft while working at a local pizza shop here in Lawrence. He stated that he wasn't the only one who was the victim of wage theft and that the employer owes former workers hundreds of dollars. This issue is affecting citizens and undocumented immigrants alike. It's a shame that this article only chose to focus on the one undocumented immigrant who spoke because it detracts from the issue that wage theft is a huge problem across the country, not just in Lawrence. A good book about the issue is Wage Theft in America: Why Millions of Working Americans Are Not Getting Paid - And What We Can Do About It by Kim Bobo. You can find it here

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Well there were about 11 million million undocumented immigrants in this country before the current financial crisis occurred. The current unemployment rate that you cite is a result of the economic crisis and not a result of undocumented immigrants taking jobs away from citizens. Undocumented immigrants in this country have been losing jobs just like citizens. Unfortunately, I don't have any statistics to cite that back up the claims in the last two statements, but I am speaking from my personal and work experience.

camper 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Red Bravo. Recently I have been diving in to historical accounts and literature from the depression era. I read this stuff, switch to the news, and read these blogs. It helps me understand the sentiment that is current. Sometimes It resembles a time warp. The same stuff, the same fears, were all there back then and are repeated.

Even though we have Facebook and Twitter, we're still the same people and have not changed much for thousands of years. We stand determined to repeat the success and failures that we have in the past. Tolstoy was remarkable too, he had it right, and knew people inside and out. We have not changed over the years.

Because these facts are established, it reminds me that it is better to foster your relationships with family and friends ....and take care of ones health. These are the treasures of life. Money and politics is something else that we must make peace with and maybe have to answer to when we see St. Peter at the gate

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 8 months ago

The solution is simple: make our present need for immigrants "legal". We'd all starve if there were no people swimming the Rio Grande to come and pick our lettuce and slaughter our cattle.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 8 months ago

My comment was less about this story and more about the general immigration problem.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

You can find a direct answer to your question and some additional information about this issue here

"Agriculture in the United States is dependent on an immigrant workforce. Three-quarters of all crop workers working in American agriculture were born outside the United States. According to government statistics, since the late 1990s, at least 50% of the crop workers have not been authorized to work legally in the United States. ...Farm workers are ready to welcome citizens and legal residents who wish to replace them in the field. We will use our knowledge and staff to help connect the unemployed with farm employers."

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

That's just one industry so no, it doesn't account for the entire undocumented population. Many work in construction, restaurants, hotels, and other service industries. There was an interesting article in the nytimes recently about an orchard in Washington. It mentions that after ICE raided the orchard, it fired all of the undocumented immigrants. They tried to fill the jobs with citizens but couldn't do it and had to petition to bring in foreign workers on work visas to fill the jobs.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

I never meant to imply that farmwork is the only type of work that most citizens don't want to do. Also, I still contend that many of the jobs being filled in the other industries that I mentioned are jobs that most Americans don't want to do. Lastly, we should acknowlege that this issue is a complex one. It is not that every single undocumented worker fills a job that citizens don't want to do. Nor is it the case that every single undocumented worker works for lower pay that depress wages for citizens.

I believe that in most instances a free market economy is a rational one. The view that undocumented immigrants are only hired because they will work for lower pay is too simplistic and ignores the reality on the ground. Yes, there are instances where this happens as mentioned by Cait, but I know many undocumented workers who make minimum wage or higher. Employers take a big risk by employing undocumented workers. Why would they do this if there are citizens who want these jobs?

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Possibly, but I tend to think that most people are good and do the right thing...just my personal opinion. However, my claims are also backed up by the article I posted from the NY Times. While it definitely does happen, I would be very surprised if most employers hire undocumented workers because of the reasons you gave. And I think that most employers would want to hire Americans over undocumented immigrants, but I may be out of touch with the national sentiment.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

I also forgot to mention that I have heard that the government doesn't come down harder on businesses that employ undocumented immigrants because these businesses lobby them not to explaining that they depend on these workers. Could be just hearsay, but I would love to hear from an actual employer in these posts.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

"You're ALL "illegal;" and no Earthling is an alien. Wrong on both counts, skippy. I am a citizen of the United States and a legal resident of America. The federal government gives the definition of an alien as: "An alien is an individual who is not a U.S. citizen. Aliens are classified as non-resident aliens and resident aliens by the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services." BTW, the feds and the MSM currently prefer to use the term "undocumented" instead of "illegal" to be more PC.

Christine Anderson 7 years, 8 months ago

Every single time the subject of illegal immigration comes up, the problem of persons from mostly African countries committing marriage/immigration fraud is ignored. Why isn't this considered an equal part of the "illegal" problem? Why blame only Hispanic illegals, when there are many others using marriage to defraud our laws and avoid deportation? Why are we not punishing them as well, and why are we not punishing the U.S. citizens stupid enough to assist by marrying these criminals?

Ralph Reed 7 years, 8 months ago

The only reason wage theft came up is because Mr. Turcios is an undocumented immigrant.

Many people don't realize that "wage theft" happens to local citizens. A few years ago our son announced he was hired to stand on the street in the hot sun with a sign to adverstise a "going out of business sale" (a perpetual occurance for this establishment). He also said that he was going to be paid $16 per hour to do this. Knowing the unsavory business practices of this establishment I knew he wasn't going to get that much.

I took him to the establishment and dropped him off, and I picked him up when he called. When I arrived, he told me they paid him only $4 per hour. I asked him what happened. He said that when he went to get his pay, the owner (person who hired him) said, "I can't afford that and won't pay you that. I'm only going to give you $4 per hour." My son told me the guy then laughed at him and walked away.

Every time I see a new one, I'm tempted to stop and ask the sign holder what they were told (lied to about) what they were going to be paid.

BLUF is that wage theft exists everywhere.

Confrontation 7 years, 8 months ago

I'd love to see the names of these businesses. There are many other businesses in Lawrence who also choose to overlook their illegals that they employ. For instance, there are several factories that employ illegals with fake Social Security cards. They know they're illegal, but they just don't pay attention. A simple check of the status of their SS cards would reveal the truth. I'm not talking about minimum wage here. I'm talking about jobs that Americans would love to have, with decent wages and good benefits. It's time to hold these businesses accountable.

Mixolydian 7 years, 8 months ago

Hey! I tried to buy some meth but all I got was a bag of Drano.

If you've been victimized in your illegal activities like I have, we need to unite and demand adherence to the principles of law, order, justice and civility.

dajazz 7 years, 8 months ago

Everyone enjoys "the fruits" of inexpensive labor be it groceries....labor...and a number of BACK BREAKING JOBS proformed at the expensive of people who have either been displaced or just simply want to make a better life for them and their families. Why are we really so angry at them all the time? They are not taking anything away from you...most American's wouldn't tolerate the conditions in which they live and work. My adoration and respect to the people that are looking at ways to solve this problem. These people are whom I regard as the "Best of American Values" that other countries know and love. You people who are doing the complaining....GROW UP!! If your grown up...what's your excuse for being so hatefull?

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

Not all farms have had the same experience, and it seems from what I've read that it is difficult for farms to find citizens to fill those jobs unlike the report you mention. Here is one recent article that talks about this.

Also, there is a legal way for employers to hire temporary foreign workers, but the system as it stands now cannot meet the current needs of the employers and employees. Many people calling for immigration reform want there to be a legal way for these workers to fill the jobs that they already do, which doesn't necessarily mean granting citizenship to every one.

Where does the number $400 million come from. I'd be interested to read more about this.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

If you come to America legally, welcome. Otherwise, mind that screen door on your way out.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 8 months ago

I read this stuff and I wonder how many people have looked at the history of this. At one point, there was no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". Undocumented, yes. Illegal? No. We had an open border with Canada and Mexico. Thousands upon thousands of specifically Mexican workers were actually brought to the US by the railroads, mainly the AT&SF. Migrant, undocumented workers have been here since Adam. In the early 1980s I went to migrant work camps to provide healthcare on a government grant (!) because that was the only way they were going to get it. They were and are exploited. There's no two ways about it. It wasn't that they did and do jobs Americans won't do. It's that they did and do jobs for wages that Americans look at and consider insane. 25 cents a bushel for this or that vegetable? Are you CRAZY? And you have to travel hundreds of miles a year to make this insanely low wage? And there's no benefits or workers comp? And that doesn't just go for migrant agriculture. That goes for migrant construction. Factories hire undocumented immigrants because they'll work for 5$/hour and if they get hurt on the job or need healthcare they won't file for it. That way they have a half a$$ chance of competing with China or whatever country is being outsourced to at the moment. All of these posts I'm reading screaming about how these people are "taking away our jobs" and ruining our economy and the real elephant in the room is being totally ignored. There. Chew on that for awhile.

verity 7 years, 8 months ago

Say it, sister (or brother). I so love it when you go on a good rant. I admire and am jealous of your ability to rant so well.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 8 months ago

Thank you. I think. I learned from a true master of the rant. My father.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't know why you're so angry, but your comments are offensive. To say "once they start breeding" implies that undocumented immigrants are animals and less than human. You and I are no better than them nor are we more valued than them as people simply because we were born in a different country and have legal documentation that says so.

Furthermore, your comments about sending money back to drug cartels is completely ignorant. Let's have a real discussion about these issues and not resort to ridiculous claims like this.

You mention that our wages support undocumented immigrants through taxation. I haven't had the chance to read the link you posted yet, but there is one comment that I can make. Did you know that Social Security is withheld from the paychecks of many undocumented workers? They will obviously never receive the benefits of Social Security since they aren't citizens. However, you and I will (if Social Security is around long enough) so they are supporting us as well. This is one of the many reasons we need real reform, which will be hard to achieve if we can't have a reasonable discussion about the issue.

Also, you should stop and think about your own comments regarding people leaving by the thousands to come to a hostile environment where they risk exploitation. What would compel a person to make this decision? People don't just risk their lives and seek exploitation for the heck of it.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 8 months ago

"Problem is, their documentation is a result of identity theft and forgery." Provided by the companies and corporations that employ them.

"...their wages are supplemented by your and my wages in the form of taxes we pay..." Which MAY bring their pay up to parity. But that's ok that extra tax you pay isn't taken out of your hide by them, it's by the farmer that hired them to hand pick grapes for 25 cents a bushel that you turn around and pay more than a dollar a pound for (on sale). Oh and let's not talk about the taxes and Social Security withheld from their pay that they will never get to see.

redbravo 7 years, 8 months ago

If your friends feel they were discriminated by not being hired you should refer them to the EEOC

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

Don't expect that "Let 'em go" Holder's DOJ will do much about discrimination against White Devils.

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