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Statehouse Live: Most Kansans support Brownback, repeal of health care law, poll says

July 6, 2010

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— Republican gubernatorial candidate Sam Brownback has a large lead over Democrat Tom Holland, and if it were up to Kansas voters, the national health care bill would be repealed.

Those are some of the results of a Rasmussen poll of 500 likely Kansas voters that was taken June 30.

The poll found Brownback supported by 59 percent of voters while Holland had 31 percent. The results are similar to margins in March and May.

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

Brownback is leaving the U.S. Senate to run for governor. Holland is a member of the state senate and from Baldwin City.

Holland’s major problem is that many voters don’t know much about him, the pollsters reported.

Sixty-nine percent of Kansans favor repeal of the health care bill signed into law by President Obama. Nationally, 60 percent favor repeal, according to a Rasmussen poll.

The poll also found that 27 of Kansas voters consider themselves members of the Tea Party movement, compared with 16 percent nationwide.

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pace 3 years, 2 months ago

When will either side of the aisle get to work and address issues. My list is debt, consumer fraud, jobs, foreclosures, infrastructure, It might hurt their popularity polls but get needs to be getting,

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ModSquadGal 3 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't support Brownback for dog catcher, let alone governor. He should just retire and crawl back under his rock.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 9 months ago

Go inside the numbers, since some of the usual trolls apparently only believe what they read on ljworld.com.

http://www.domeontherange.org/2010/07/rasmussens-latest-kansas-poll-is-100.html

100% of voters 18-29 support Sam Brownback. 43% of black Kansans are members of the Tea Party.

Pretty impressive polling.

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independant1 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm an optimist.

In general, people left to their own devices will tend to do good.

It ain't a political affiliation or ideology thing. There are good conservative ideas and good liberal ideas. And there are other ideas. The problem is the political discourse is the argument against the man in this forum.

Obama is about as good a president as either Bush.

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lounger 3 years, 9 months ago

Brownback and Kobach will turn kansas back 50 years. Oh god help us. I havent felt this way since G.W. STOLE the white house...

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bolshavik_vw 3 years, 9 months ago

I drove from Lawrence to Topeka to Alma to Council Grove to Cassoday taking pictures of rhe scenery. I drove through areas of the descedants of the thieves who took Potawatomi, Kaw, and Osage lands. The people who brought the judgemental religious views and the xenophobia with them. Amazing how that was in the 1870's and here we are in 2010 and not much has changed. Small narrow minded enclaves out of touch with the rest of the world. My sociological tools were in full effect in the Pizza Hut in Council Grove. We went past the Z-Bar Ranch that the xenophobes opposed the U.S. Park Service making into a park a decade ago. After all, they stole the land and they know what to do with it and they don't need anyone to tell them to not let their cattle do their business in the streams to the point that there's no oxygen in the streams for the fish that used to live there. I see one herd of buffalo near Alta Vista. Ironically, these animals were much better for the environment than the cattle, oh well, it must be like blindly voting for the GOP and the farming subsidies that aren't welfare. They'll vote for Bryllo Creme. After all H.L. Mencken was talking about the conservative prohibition-minded dumblicans of the midwest in the 1920's when he stated to never underestimate the stupidity of the American People. Not much has changed in 85 years. There were the godlican scopes evolution cases of the 1920's and the dummies of current time. Their were the teapot dome scandal republicans of the 1920's and the Laissez Faire economic attitudes of the Dumblicans Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover then, and the Bush messes now. How these people never evolve...

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notajayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Ah, I knew, when I could smell the snobbish elitism permeating the air when I was still an hour away from home that there must be a story like this in the paper. The whiny, entitled brats of Larryville, always begging for someone else to pay their bills for them, will never figure out that the rest of Kansas doesn't think like them. I'm sure they don't mind - as I'm equally sure the rest of us Kansas residents are ecstatic about that.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

Homework 101

Paying More, Getting Less

By Joel A. Harrison

The U.S. health care system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $2 trillion annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes, according to a 2002 analysis published in Health Affairs by Harvard Medical School associate professors Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein.

Tax dollars pay for Medicare and Medicaid, for the Veterans Administration and the Indian Health Service. Tax dollars pay for health coverage for federal, state, and municipal government employees and their families, as well as for many employees of private companies working on government contracts.

Less visible but no less important, the tax deduction for employer-paid health insurance, along with other health care-related tax deductions, also represents a form of government spending on health care.

It makes little difference whether the government gives taxpayers (or their employers) a deduction for their health care spending, on the one hand, or collects their taxes then pays for their health care, either directly or via a voucher, on the other.

Moreover, tax dollars also pay for critical elements of the health care system apart from direct care—Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies.

All told, then, tax dollars already pay for at least $1.2 trillion in annual U.S. health care expenses. Since federal, state, and local governments collected approximately $3.5 trillion in taxes of all kinds—income, sales, property, corporate—in 2006, that means that more than one third of the aggregate tax revenues collected in the United States that year went to pay for health care.

Recognizing these hidden costs that U.S. households pay for health care today makes it far easier to see how a universal single-payer system—with all of its obvious advantages—can cost most Americans less than the one we have today.

Medicare must exist in the fragmented world that is American health care—but no matter how creative the opponents of single-payer get, there is no way they can show convincingly how the administrative costs of a single-payer system could come close to the current level.

More on this matter: http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

People in Kansas must live for paying the most expensive medical insurance premiums in the world. Just goes to show listening to Brownback will NOT bring anyone affordable medical insurance.

Too bad Kansas voters refuse to learn anything about medical insurance and how the industry been increasing cost of premiums since they won their battle in congress. Remember 50% of bankruptcies are filed by the working medically insured.

Have YOU read your policy lately?

Remember this is the industry that was blowing $1.4 million health care dollars a day defeating affordable insurance known as IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for ALL.

No insurance provider can or would provide complete care till the end of time for a family at a cost of $200-$300 a month.

What would that money buy?

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

Ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

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bobberboy 3 years, 9 months ago

Kansans = redneck teapartiers.

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kubacker 3 years, 9 months ago

Congratulations Governor-to-be Brownback, Secretary of State-to-be-Kobach and soon to be elected majority Republican Kansas House and Senate. All 5 Arizona immigration laws will be in place in Kansas within a year after the elections, and every legal resident/citizen of Kansas will be required to own and carry at least two handguns.

Ain't life great?

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Jeff Plinsky 3 years, 9 months ago

Funny thing is, Gallup polled the healthcare issue just a week before the Rasmussen poll and the numbers were somewhat different.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/140981/Verdict-Healthcare-Reform-Bill-Divided.aspx

Rasmussen tends to be more Republican/conservative than other pollsters, so all these numbers really show is that the nation is divided on healthcare, and Brownback is the likely winner in KS Gov. race.

This doesn't really sound like new news to me. When the liberal pollsters confirm Rasmussen's finding, then it will be news.

Oh, and Kansans aren't idiots, they just tend to vote on idealistic/philosophic issues, rather than voting in their own personal, material interest. It confuses me. I generally disagree with them. But they believe that God's opinion (as identified by their religious ideology) is more important than their own worldly needs and desires.

If you would accept their intelligence, and try to change their understanding of God's opinion, you'd be more successful at changing their political votes.

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md 3 years, 9 months ago

Has any body seen the story about the black panther voting case on cnn,msnbc,abc, or cbs?

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Clark Coan 3 years, 9 months ago

Moderate Kansans have been leaving the state as fast as they can leaving reactionaries in residence.

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giveitsomethought 3 years, 9 months ago

The majority of news outlets are anything but. They are sensationalists and mouth pieces.

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tange 3 years, 9 months ago

"... stop America from being taken any further down a communistic/socialistic/marxist path...."

Much in the spirit of the Godwin, I propose, as an appropriate response to any vaguejumbleddistorted reference to any of the above socialpoliticalhistorical systemsschemes, the awarding of a GawdFAIL

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 9 months ago

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

The tipping point has arrived----the lines have intersected. In one year, Obama (if he is not impeached or has resigned) will be knocking on 30 approval.

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overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

Given the fact that a large number of people get their news from Fox and other extraordinarily limited sources of misinformation and partisan lies, I find that nearly all polling is more of an indication of the level of ignorance of those polled than of the actual merit of the issues presented. Usually, when asked about specific pieces of any legislation, the respondents answer positively.

The local news sources compound this problem by running chearleading campaigns for conservative candidates and not providing real news about all candidates running. The notion of a "liberal media" was one of the scary word tactics championed by Gingrich and Frank Luntz. It is another lie.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 9 months ago

'Merica ( as the looney left mocked W) has, in a very short period of time, had it up to their eyeballs with the Socialist Regime of Obama, Reid and Pelosi.....the signs are everywhere. Problem is, we can not do anything about it for 4 more months. Then, as if he is not already, Obama's fate will be sealed as THE most worthless POTUS this nation has EVER had. Just let it be over with----soon. This is excrutiating painful for a majority of Americans. Loons will never change. Most normal voter blocs are walking away from their socialist "fundamental transformation" in droves.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 9 months ago

You've really got to be desperate to run a Rasmussen poll.

Time and time and time again, independent analysis shows Rasmussen trends overwhelmingly Republican.

A liberal site like DailyKos actually fired a pollster, Research 2000, for trending too much Democratic. Rasmussen trends twice as badly to the GOP than Research 2000 did to Dems.

But for some reason, that is good enough for the LJ World. Why not just take a poll of local Republican county chairs and run with that?

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overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

Given the fact that a large number of people get their news from Fox and other extraordinarily limited sources of misinformation and partisan lies, I find that nearly all polling is more of an indication of the level of ignorance of those polled than of the actual merit of the issues presented. Usually, when asked about specific pieces of any legislation, the respondents answer positively.

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overplayedhistory 3 years, 9 months ago

Most Kansans also think the Earth was created in 6 days.

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Phillbert 3 years, 9 months ago

What a surprise, a Rasmussen poll showing a big lead for a Republican. Must be a slow news day.

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monkeyspunk 3 years, 9 months ago

The poll was kind of annoying, and I wonder about the results. The question regarding brownback wasn't necessarily Brownback vs. Holland. It was Brownback vs Candidate A, Brownback vs. Candidate B, Brownback vs Candidate C.

There were questions about Moran and his opponents, much in the same way as Brownback's questions.

Then there were questions about the oil spill and tea baggers and such.

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KEITHMILES05 3 years, 9 months ago

What does Brownie have to do with the POTUS? Come on folks do you not understand one is state politics and the other is national? Good grief.

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Tarball 3 years, 9 months ago

beobachter is profiling again....shame on you.

Phooey I was looking foward to paying for others that cannot pay for themselves. Why are republicans always ruining the fun?

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beobachter 3 years, 9 months ago

And then 27% are teabaggers. Further proof of their ignorance. That ignorance is what will get the idiot elected governor.

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bennyoates 3 years, 9 months ago

Kind of surprising that oklahoma claims to dislike communistic/socialistic/marxist stuff.

After all, he's upset that the poll doesn't reflect 100% agreement with his point of view.

Sounds just like the numbers in "elections" run by dictators like Castro and Mao. But even those guys didn't pull 100%, even though they got real, real close...

Conform or be destroyed, you vile red (wrong kind of red!) Kansas scum!! oklahoma's gonna git ya, ya rotten 31 percenters!!!

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LJ Whirled 3 years, 9 months ago

Holland sounds like a good guy ... hope he's not spending his own money on the campaign.

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Steve Bunch 3 years, 9 months ago

Most Kansans are morons, poll says.

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oklahoma 3 years, 9 months ago

No, what's scary is that only 60 to 70 percent want to stop America from being taken any further down a communistic/socialistic/marxist path after seeing the damage that has already been done to the country. Should be 100%.

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youngjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Scary ... who are these 500 people?

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