Archive for Tuesday, July 6, 2010

Statehouse Live: Most Kansans support Brownback, repeal of health care law, poll says

July 6, 2010


— Republican gubernatorial candidate Sam Brownback has a large lead over Democrat Tom Holland, and if it were up to Kansas voters, the national health care bill would be repealed.

Those are some of the results of a Rasmussen poll of 500 likely Kansas voters that was taken June 30.

The poll found Brownback supported by 59 percent of voters while Holland had 31 percent. The results are similar to margins in March and May.

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

Brownback is leaving the U.S. Senate to run for governor. Holland is a member of the state senate and from Baldwin City.

Holland’s major problem is that many voters don’t know much about him, the pollsters reported.

Sixty-nine percent of Kansans favor repeal of the health care bill signed into law by President Obama. Nationally, 60 percent favor repeal, according to a Rasmussen poll.

The poll also found that 27 of Kansas voters consider themselves members of the Tea Party movement, compared with 16 percent nationwide.


KayCee 7 years, 9 months ago

Patriotic, intelligent Kansas voters. Anything else you want to know?

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

gettin' real tired of the word "Patriotic" being thrown around like one ideological group owns it.

lounger 7 years, 9 months ago

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz what the frig ever KayCee!!

monkeyspunk 7 years, 9 months ago

I happened to be on of those polled and I did not pick Brownback. I said to my wife that I bet I am one of the few. Turns out I was right, but I am surprised at the 31% that Holland got. Pleasantly.

remember_username 7 years, 9 months ago

In the words of Jim in Blazing Saddles "You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

oklahoma 7 years, 9 months ago

No, what's scary is that only 60 to 70 percent want to stop America from being taken any further down a communistic/socialistic/marxist path after seeing the damage that has already been done to the country. Should be 100%.

maudeandcecil 7 years, 9 months ago

Oklahoma, you seem fairly passionate and I'd like to better understand your point: Would you please expand upon and/or define the communistic/socialistic/marxist path in three parts: 1) what are the principles of this path (assuming it is in fact one path; in terms of actual doctrines, there are differences between communism and socialism, but you may be referring to something else all together); 2) what specific damage are you referring to that has already been done and who are the main drivers; and 3) in what specific ways are the current health care reforms part of this path?

I assume you are content with the current health care system remaining as is. If I am wrong in my assumption, what changes would you recommend that would better reflect with your ideals.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

Its all just words that sound scary. The meanings are irrelevant. If the folks screaming 'socialism' had any understanding of government philosophies at all, they'd know that their is no such thing a purely democratic, socialist, capitalist or communist system and that all systems are a hybridization of many bits and parts. They'd also realize that their strong support of a corporatist purely free-market capitalist system would result in a much scarier place than they've ever imagined. Rule by the dollar would be far more devastating to individual choice and freedoms than a small bit of caring for the common good.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

hahhahhahaaa! Free Market health care. Like when the Insurance companies are publicly traded and their first responsibility is to share holders???

Liberty275 7 years, 9 months ago

You can pay cash for health care. You don't need to have insurance.

jimmyjms 7 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, screw everybody who can't afford it. Especially old women and little kids, the damn parasites.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 9 months ago

I just bet you also support the OK laws just passed that allow doctors to lie to women too.

fancy80 7 years, 9 months ago

beo, weren't you the one chastising someone recently who dared to call Pres. Obama, Barry-O? Please help me understand why you can call our State Senator an idiot. Please don't try and say that simply because YOU don't agree with his political views, it makes it okay for you to name call, but someone who doesn't agree with Pres. Obama's view must still show proper respect.

I'm hoping I have you confused with another poster. Please forgive me if that is the case...

fancy80 7 years, 9 months ago

my bad. it was Beatrice, not beobachter. I apologize.

tomatogrower 7 years, 9 months ago

You have always been paying for those who cannot pay. You've been paying for them to go to the expensive ER to get treatment, because they have to treat everyone, insurance or not. So the hospital passes the cost onto the rest of us. This bill will allow them to go to the less expensive doctor's visit. You're obviously pretty oblivious to how things work. You've also been paying when they go to the doctor too late, then die, then their children get their social security. This way is much cheaper, but most people just follow along with whatever lie, I mean myth, the tea party people want to push.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

Oh Tomato! This very rational truth must have a certain frequency that just doesn't get through heads that are filled with words like 'Socealyzm' and such. They just won't here it.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Except, gee, it turns out that uninsured people don't use the emergency room any more than insured people do. The biggest users of ER services are Medicaid recipients - which the 'reform' package will add many more of. So Obama's plan will actually have you paying for more people to use the ER, tomato.

But hey, as usual, don't let facts get in the way of another uninformed rant.

bad_dog 7 years, 9 months ago

Well, nota, aren't Medicaid recipients low income persons who are not insured through traditional health insurance plans? As such, their health services are likely provided by their attending physician at the provider's office rather than at an ER. They likely only go to the ER when they have a need for emegency services-you know, just like the folks with health insurance do.

KEITHMILES05 7 years, 9 months ago

What does Brownie have to do with the POTUS? Come on folks do you not understand one is state politics and the other is national? Good grief.

monkeyspunk 7 years, 9 months ago

The poll was kind of annoying, and I wonder about the results. The question regarding brownback wasn't necessarily Brownback vs. Holland. It was Brownback vs Candidate A, Brownback vs. Candidate B, Brownback vs Candidate C.

There were questions about Moran and his opponents, much in the same way as Brownback's questions.

Then there were questions about the oil spill and tea baggers and such.

Phillbert 7 years, 9 months ago

What a surprise, a Rasmussen poll showing a big lead for a Republican. Must be a slow news day.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

Given the fact that a large number of people get their news from Fox and other extraordinarily limited sources of misinformation and partisan lies, I find that nearly all polling is more of an indication of the level of ignorance of those polled than of the actual merit of the issues presented. Usually, when asked about specific pieces of any legislation, the respondents answer positively.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

oops. request removal of this accidental double post.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

You've really got to be desperate to run a Rasmussen poll.

Time and time and time again, independent analysis shows Rasmussen trends overwhelmingly Republican.

A liberal site like DailyKos actually fired a pollster, Research 2000, for trending too much Democratic. Rasmussen trends twice as badly to the GOP than Research 2000 did to Dems.

But for some reason, that is good enough for the LJ World. Why not just take a poll of local Republican county chairs and run with that?

werekoala 7 years, 9 months ago

I'm pretty sure the issue with Rasmussen wasn't the national elections, but the state-level polling they do. Y'know, like the one we're talking about?

Independent analysis has shown a strong evidence of a consistent house effect in Rasmussen polling toward Republicans of 3-4%. This is not to say Rasmussen is biased; just that some factor of their polling methodology makes Republicans respond slightly more (and Democrats slightly less) than they are found in the general population. I think it's probably something in the likely voter model he uses.

Then again, when you see the level of froth that Teacup McDerp et. al. manage to generate on a daily basis, and the general apathy from Democrats that Obama's too moderate, I would be saddened, but not surprised to find Rasmussen vindicated.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

OK, so I'll just take it at face value that 43% of Kansans who identified themselves as black are members of the Tea Party movement.

That explains all the photos and the racial diversity that is clearly evident.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

You're right, bobbie, we should all listen instead to a guy on a small-town newspaper message board that calls himself Captain Kangaroo.

Your own figures, disputing the Rasmussen polls, come from where, again? Oh, that's right - you admitted on another thread that you just make them up.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

It was enjoyable. It's always good to laugh.

So let me get this straight: According to your source, Rasmussen's record of accuracy when compared to the actual election results is meaningless. And the proof that their polls is in error is: Other polls have different results.

Pretty good feeble. Or is that just pretty feeble...

feeble 7 years, 9 months ago

way to fail reading comp 101:

"Rasmussen does not appear to be applying an especially stringent likely voter model. Instead, the house effect is endemic to their overall sample construction and is "passed through" to their likely voter sample.

Why might these differences emerge? Raw polling data is pretty dirty. If you just call people up and see who answers the phone, you will tend to get too many women, too many old people, and too many white people. This is especially the case if you rely on a landline sample without a supplement of cellphone voters.

Pollsters try to correct for these deficiencies in a variety of ways. They may use household selection procedures (for instance, asking to speak with the person who has the next birthday). They may leave their poll in the field for several days, calling back when they do not contact their desired respondent. An increasing number may call cellphones in addition to landlines.

Rasmussen does not appear to do any of these things. Their polls are in the field for only one night, leaving little or no time for callbacks. They do not call cellphones. They do not appear to use within-household selection procedures. In addition, their polls use an automated script rather than a live interviewer, which tends to be associated with a lower response rate and which might exacerbate these problems. "

90% of Americans have cellphones. ~35% use cellphones exclusively. This jumps to over 70% in the 18-30 crowd.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Way to fail thinking 101, oh aptly-named one.

All pollsters crunch their numbers, feebs - even your precious sports-statistics blogger on 538. Who, incidentally, is a Democratic supporter and seems to have dedicated his site to attacking Rasmussen. And yet, regardless of HOW Rasmussen crunches their numbers, they are proven accurate over and over again, aren't they?

As a matter of fact, feebs - who was closer in the 2008 presidential election - Rasmussen, or (Pssst - feebs - I'll save you the trouble of searching through the site - 538 wasn't even close.)

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

I thought you had washed your paws of this place?

jimmyjms 7 years, 9 months ago

'Merica ( as the looney left mocked W)"...

He says as he mocks Obama.

Oh, the stupidity.

Tell me, if Obama is the worst POTUS, where does that put Bush, who handed Obama nearly every one of the top-level problems in the country today? damn - sorry, I forgot:

But, but Clinton.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

Given the fact that a large number of people get their news from Fox and other extraordinarily limited sources of misinformation and partisan lies, I find that nearly all polling is more of an indication of the level of ignorance of those polled than of the actual merit of the issues presented. Usually, when asked about specific pieces of any legislation, the respondents answer positively.

The local news sources compound this problem by running chearleading campaigns for conservative candidates and not providing real news about all candidates running. The notion of a "liberal media" was one of the scary word tactics championed by Gingrich and Frank Luntz. It is another lie.

giveitsomethought 7 years, 9 months ago

The majority of news outlets are anything but. They are sensationalists and mouth pieces.

Clark Coan 7 years, 9 months ago

Moderate Kansans have been leaving the state as fast as they can leaving reactionaries in residence.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 9 months ago

I'm leaving at the end of 2011 and going to my husband's home state of TN. I realize the political climate there is just as bad but I don't know any of the landscape there and can live in the bliss of ignorance.

md 7 years, 9 months ago

Has any body seen the story about the black panther voting case on cnn,msnbc,abc, or cbs?

Jeff Plinsky 7 years, 9 months ago

Funny thing is, Gallup polled the healthcare issue just a week before the Rasmussen poll and the numbers were somewhat different.

Rasmussen tends to be more Republican/conservative than other pollsters, so all these numbers really show is that the nation is divided on healthcare, and Brownback is the likely winner in KS Gov. race.

This doesn't really sound like new news to me. When the liberal pollsters confirm Rasmussen's finding, then it will be news.

Oh, and Kansans aren't idiots, they just tend to vote on idealistic/philosophic issues, rather than voting in their own personal, material interest. It confuses me. I generally disagree with them. But they believe that God's opinion (as identified by their religious ideology) is more important than their own worldly needs and desires.

If you would accept their intelligence, and try to change their understanding of God's opinion, you'd be more successful at changing their political votes.

independant1 7 years, 9 months ago

Thanks, was tired of "dumb farmer, "moron", "idiot",.....

Thought that was all the opponents of Brownback, here, were able to bring to the table.

There is such a thing as debate.

God bless the loyal opposition on any subject worth debate.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 9 months ago

Don't forget we will be required to carry papers showing proof of citizenship at all times. I expect within a few years we will have checkpoints at all highways in and out of the state with Kansas State Highway Patrol manning them.

fancy80 7 years, 9 months ago

no, only when you go for ice cream. As we all know, that is when they try to nab you.

tomatogrower 7 years, 9 months ago

And don't forget. If you aren't Christian, you better leave.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 9 months ago

People in Kansas must live for paying the most expensive medical insurance premiums in the world. Just goes to show listening to Brownback will NOT bring anyone affordable medical insurance.

Too bad Kansas voters refuse to learn anything about medical insurance and how the industry been increasing cost of premiums since they won their battle in congress. Remember 50% of bankruptcies are filed by the working medically insured.

Have YOU read your policy lately?

Remember this is the industry that was blowing $1.4 million health care dollars a day defeating affordable insurance known as IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for ALL.

No insurance provider can or would provide complete care till the end of time for a family at a cost of $200-$300 a month.

What would that money buy?

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

Ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 9 months ago

Homework 101

Paying More, Getting Less

By Joel A. Harrison

The U.S. health care system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $2 trillion annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes, according to a 2002 analysis published in Health Affairs by Harvard Medical School associate professors Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein.

Tax dollars pay for Medicare and Medicaid, for the Veterans Administration and the Indian Health Service. Tax dollars pay for health coverage for federal, state, and municipal government employees and their families, as well as for many employees of private companies working on government contracts.

Less visible but no less important, the tax deduction for employer-paid health insurance, along with other health care-related tax deductions, also represents a form of government spending on health care.

It makes little difference whether the government gives taxpayers (or their employers) a deduction for their health care spending, on the one hand, or collects their taxes then pays for their health care, either directly or via a voucher, on the other.

Moreover, tax dollars also pay for critical elements of the health care system apart from direct care—Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies.

All told, then, tax dollars already pay for at least $1.2 trillion in annual U.S. health care expenses. Since federal, state, and local governments collected approximately $3.5 trillion in taxes of all kinds—income, sales, property, corporate—in 2006, that means that more than one third of the aggregate tax revenues collected in the United States that year went to pay for health care.

Recognizing these hidden costs that U.S. households pay for health care today makes it far easier to see how a universal single-payer system—with all of its obvious advantages—can cost most Americans less than the one we have today.

Medicare must exist in the fragmented world that is American health care—but no matter how creative the opponents of single-payer get, there is no way they can show convincingly how the administrative costs of a single-payer system could come close to the current level.

More on this matter:

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Ah, I knew, when I could smell the snobbish elitism permeating the air when I was still an hour away from home that there must be a story like this in the paper. The whiny, entitled brats of Larryville, always begging for someone else to pay their bills for them, will never figure out that the rest of Kansas doesn't think like them. I'm sure they don't mind - as I'm equally sure the rest of us Kansas residents are ecstatic about that.

beatrice 7 years, 9 months ago

Interesting, seeing as how nobody on here is asking for anyone to pay his or her bills for them. Not a single person.

So what other garbage do you wish to make up? Well, what ever it is, be it communisim, socialism, or abstract expressionism, make sure you throw in "Kool Aid," because that always gives a solid closing to any conservative's argument. Just ask Tom.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Really, bea, dearie? So I guess everyone on this board must be against the healthcare 'reform' package the weasel-in-chief bullied through, since they all want to pay for their own healthcare?

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

Most people do pay for their own insurance or get it through their employer. Those few that will benefit from subsidized or free care really need the help. I guess that's hard for you to understand. I don't know who the 'whiney entitled brats' are. Perhaps you mistakenly believe people who are actually educated and understand the value of a civilized society based on the constitution are asking for those dreaded 'handouts' for them selves? No. We just recognize that the strength of a country is truly revealed in how the least fortunate are treated.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Very touching.

No, seriously, there may be tears.

Oh, except for a few small things:

1) I wasn't talking about the subsidies. I was talking about the insurance mandate, which is nothing more than forcing people who don't want and/or don't need insurance to pay in to reduce the premiums for everyone else.

2) If what you paid in premiums was enough to cover the cost of care, then you wouldn't need insurance, would you?

3) You're absolutely correct: Most of us actually do believe it's important to take care of those less fortunate. But, apparently, most of us do not believe this is the best way to do that. But just keep on believing that anyone that doesn't agree with YOU must not be 'actually educated' and doesn't 'understand'. Thank you so much for that perfect illustration of what I was referring to my snobbish elitism.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

By the way, moon: Is the fact that you're one of those who's "actually educated" why you swallow, hook, line, and sinker the "very rational truth" that those with insurance are paying for the uninsured who are using the emergency rooms because they can't afford to go to the doctor?

'Cause I hate to burst your bubble, big guy, but that isn't true. So go ahead, and thrill me with how much you "understand" the issue.

bolshavik_vw 7 years, 9 months ago

I drove from Lawrence to Topeka to Alma to Council Grove to Cassoday taking pictures of rhe scenery. I drove through areas of the descedants of the thieves who took Potawatomi, Kaw, and Osage lands. The people who brought the judgemental religious views and the xenophobia with them. Amazing how that was in the 1870's and here we are in 2010 and not much has changed. Small narrow minded enclaves out of touch with the rest of the world. My sociological tools were in full effect in the Pizza Hut in Council Grove. We went past the Z-Bar Ranch that the xenophobes opposed the U.S. Park Service making into a park a decade ago. After all, they stole the land and they know what to do with it and they don't need anyone to tell them to not let their cattle do their business in the streams to the point that there's no oxygen in the streams for the fish that used to live there. I see one herd of buffalo near Alta Vista. Ironically, these animals were much better for the environment than the cattle, oh well, it must be like blindly voting for the GOP and the farming subsidies that aren't welfare. They'll vote for Bryllo Creme. After all H.L. Mencken was talking about the conservative prohibition-minded dumblicans of the midwest in the 1920's when he stated to never underestimate the stupidity of the American People. Not much has changed in 85 years. There were the godlican scopes evolution cases of the 1920's and the dummies of current time. Their were the teapot dome scandal republicans of the 1920's and the Laissez Faire economic attitudes of the Dumblicans Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover then, and the Bush messes now. How these people never evolve...

independant1 7 years, 9 months ago

So, what does that have to do with the poll?

You got to sorter give and take in this old world. (Will Rogers, Methodist 9/32 cherokee)

verity 7 years, 9 months ago

Forty years ago, when I was much younger (or older, depending on how you look at it), Kansas was known to be quite progressive. Maybe, when this generation of reactionaries gets old, the pendulum will swing back again.

lounger 7 years, 9 months ago

Brownback and Kobach will turn kansas back 50 years. Oh god help us. I havent felt this way since G.W. STOLE the white house...

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 9 months ago

You have to understand that the majority of Kansans want the clock turned back 50 years. They think Norman Rockwell America was a real thing and if they close their eyes and click their heels three times and wish hard enough we will back in the days of poodle skirts, hoola hoops, 25 cent gas and post war economic boomage. Kennedy was in the White House, Vietnam was just a cloud on the horizon and all you needed to make the summer great was a Nehi Grape pop in a glass bottle. Too bad and so sad that it's all going to come tumbling down around them just like the GWB presidency did.

independant1 7 years, 9 months ago

I'm an optimist.

In general, people left to their own devices will tend to do good.

It ain't a political affiliation or ideology thing. There are good conservative ideas and good liberal ideas. And there are other ideas. The problem is the political discourse is the argument against the man in this forum.

Obama is about as good a president as either Bush.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

Go inside the numbers, since some of the usual trolls apparently only believe what they read on

100% of voters 18-29 support Sam Brownback. 43% of black Kansans are members of the Tea Party.

Pretty impressive polling.

oklahoma 7 years, 9 months ago

On November 2 we'll have an accurate poll, when the other 104 counties in Kansas will be heard from, and this island of blue will be back in the minority where it belongs, lost in the 60s.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Pretty impressive source, there, bobbie. A blog called 'Dome on the Range' written by a guy who calls himself Roy Rogers. Reporting on what an anonymous tipster claims appears on Rasmussen's pay-only site, since the blogger (like yourself) didn't pay the money to check it out.

Did I? Nope. I don't care how Rasmussen comes up with it's numbers, since the results are probven accurate over and over again.

And what if those numbers reported by your esteemable source are real, bobbie? How many 18-29 year-olds are we talking about? Most people reached in a daytime phone poll are not in that category, since, gee, most of them are at work. It could have been an aberration, and may have already been controlled for. One might think (if one was capable of such, unlike yourself) that polling is like sausage making - you really don't want to see what goes into it or how it's made, it only matters how it tastes. And despite your liberal blog-site claims that it doesn't matter, Rasmussen's results are typically very accurate when the voting is all over, aren't they? Somehow I don't recall your questioning of Rasmussen's 'house effect' or bias before the last presidential election. But then, you only disbelieve polls that don't agree with your delusional world.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

That's an awful lot of words when you could have just said, "Grrrr, I'm a troll."

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Hmmm. Pretty sure it's the guy pulling numbers out of his a** that's the troll here, bobbie.

Being wrong sux, doesn't it? I'm asking you because you do it so often I figure it might be the one thing you know something about.Oh, excuse me, troll - did you have a legitimate response? Were you or were you not the one who tried to dispute the numbers of a polling organization with a long history of accuracy by offering third-hand anonymous information given by a 'tipster' to a blog site (who didn't verify the information either)? Got anything to say about Rasmussen's proven track record of accuracy? Oh, forgot, that doesn't matter. And it's not as if you'd attempt to actually address the point after you've (again) been proven a moron.

At least the real Bob Keeshan (whose name you're disgracing) was an educator, bobbie. You're just a buffoon. And from the quality of your recent posts, a buffoon whose Aricept stopped working.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

You dispute the crosstabs posted in the link? Then prove them wrong. If you can't, then you're nothing but a troll.

Don't let your government funded job in Missouri stop you from ranting. Perhaps you should just check yourself in to your place of employment, it appears you could use some treatment.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Let me rephrase that:

"You dispute the gospel according to bobbie, who gets his third-party information from a blog site who didn't verify the numbers supplied by a tipster? Then you must be a troll."

There, a little more accurate.

I'm not the one who floated the numbers from an unverified, anonymous source, bobbie. You used to at least make an effort to supply SOME information before getting laughed at - now you post anonymous cr*pola, admittedly made-up numbers, and comebacks like 'If you don't agree with me, you're a troll - waaaaaaah, where's my mommy?'

Without the raw numbers, bobbie, the information you provided is meaningless. As I said (you could at least try having someone read posts to you before you attempt to reply, since you can't seem to understand them by yourself), the 100% figure may have been what the cross-tabs said. Now, how much of the sample does that represent? 3 people out of the 500? 10 people? Was that already corrected for using statistical methods for controlling outlying groups? Gee, guess you don't know, do you, bobbie? 'Cause your blogger didn't tell you? 'Cause the anonymous tipster didn't specify?

As others have said, bobbie - I guess we'll know in November. But please, please, please, it's such a slow day, I can always use a laugh - what do YOU think the margin is for Brownback, in all your keen politically-inciteful wisdom?

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

Back under your bridge, troll.

Read the full Rasmussen report. They don't reveal how much of the sample each group represents, that is part of the problem with the poll.

Type some more, now, grumpy. You have a lot to say for someone relying on the government for a paycheck.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Ooh, good comback, bobbie. What are you, five?

So your witty retort to my saying your numbers were meaningless because we don't know how much of the sample was in that group was to say we don't know how much of the sample was in that group. Your counterargument is to adopt and repeat my argument.

As usual, bobbie,




Now go run to mommy and say the other message board members are mean and don't agree with your cr*pola.

And yes, bobbie, most of the funding for our agency comes from government funds. However, unlike you in your state job (I notice you have a lot of time on your hands lately, though, bobbie - did they finally lay you off? Is that why you're even more crotchety than usual?), I actually provide a service. A service that's available in Kansas, too, bobbie - you should seriously consider availing yourself of them. Really, bobbie - mental illness is curable.

Oh - almost forgot - are you going to answer the question? Do you have a guess of your own as to what the real polling numbers are?

Didn't think so, troll.

Bob_Keeshan 7 years, 9 months ago

Read the crosstabs. You question the original post, so read the crosstabs and prove them wrong.

Or seek help. Or, for the sake of everyone, do both.

Nice use of the "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense, by the way. Do you have any original thoughts?

ModSquadGal 7 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't support Brownback for dog catcher, let alone governor. He should just retire and crawl back under his rock.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Thankfully, MSG, most of Kansas doesn't share your opinion, and Brownback will be elected by a comfortable margin without your support.

jimmyjms 7 years, 9 months ago

And then we can get to the important business of deciding how old the earth is, and what part of being gay is the part that Jebus hates the most.

notajayhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Pretty sure Sam doesn't need your vote, either, jimmy. And he can pretty much ignore the insignifcant little whinings from all of Larryville.

pace 7 years, 2 months ago

When will either side of the aisle get to work and address issues. My list is debt, consumer fraud, jobs, foreclosures, infrastructure, It might hurt their popularity polls but get needs to be getting,

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