Archive for Tuesday, January 19, 2010

K2 proponents urge lawmakers to think twice before banning marijuana-like substance

Senate poised to consider bill among first acts of the session

K2 is a legal, smokable herbal mixture with chemical properties similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, a Johnson County Sheriff’s deputy said. K3 is a new drug that is legal because its compounds have been altered from what was found in K2.

K2 is a legal, smokable herbal mixture with chemical properties similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, a Johnson County Sheriff’s deputy said. K3 is a new drug that is legal because its compounds have been altered from what was found in K2.

January 19, 2010


— Users and sellers of K2 pushed back Tuesday on attempts to ban the chemicals in the herbal mixture that some say produces a marijuana-like high.

“This is really about, ‘we don’t like people getting high,’ ” said Robert Bussinger of Lawrence, who said he used K2 before speaking to the House Corrections and Juvenile Justice Committee.

The committee took no action on House Bill 2411, but Chairwoman Pat Colloton, R-Leawood, indicated the panel would recommend approval of the bill next week. The full Senate is expected to debate a similar measure on Thursday.

The bills would make illegal two chemicals found in K2; JWH-018 and JWH-073, which are called synthetic cannabinoids.

K2 is sold as incense but law enforcement officials say it is being smoked as a legal substitute for marijuana. Law officials from Douglas County and other jurisdictions say it is becoming more widely used among young people, and they said they fear it may have harmful long-term effects.

Janine Gracy, director of the Regional Prevention Center, which provides substance abuse prevention programs in Johnson, Leavenworth and Miami counties, said she has heard of young people driving to Lawrence and purchasing K2.

“Their perception was altered. Driving their car on K-10, high as a kite, they could have killed someone on their path,” she said.

But John Knox, an attorney representing the Sacred Journey, an herbal shop in Lawrence that sells K2, said the product shouldn’t be prohibited because some may misuse it.

“There are lots of drugs that can be used to get a high, including alcohol,” Knox said. “We know alcohol causes lots of deaths, we don’t make it illegal.”

He said there are no studies that show K2 has any detrimental health effects, and no other state nor the federal government has made the chemicals illegal. Sacred Journey, he said, refuses to sell K2 to anyone under age 18.

Hudson Luce, a patent attorney who practices in Lawrence, said the two chemical compounds have the potential to be used in treating a host of diseases and ailments, but that research would dry up if they were made illegal.

State Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe, asked Luce if the chemicals should be available for high school students to smoke. Luce replied, “I don’t think high school kids should smoke anything.”

State Rep. Stan Frownfelter, D-Kansas City, said the issue reminded him of when people realized model glue was being misused by people to get high.

“Do we outlaw everything? People have to be responsible for their own actions,” he said.

Bussinger, the Lawrence resident who said he used K2, said he feared that prohibiting the product “would make lots of law-abiding people, criminals.”


Orwell 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure the Kansas Legislature gives a monkey's about anything these folks say. Does anyone expect legislators NOT to take an opportunity to look "tough on drugs?" Debating the merits is a waste of time in the face of bumper-sticker politics.

JerryStubbs 8 years, 2 months ago

I wouldn't recommend anything synthetic that hasn't been thoroughly tested.

sinedie 8 years, 2 months ago

Think twice? They haven't even thought once.

Danimal 8 years, 2 months ago

Oh these kids and their crazy marijuana substitutes these days. I just hope that they take the time to address driving while texting before the legislators all climb up on their white horses to rescue us from a potpourri. Or that at least they'll resolve the budget crisis first. I know I'm probably hoping for too much.

anon1958 8 years, 2 months ago

I think a citizen committee armed with the type of bamboo sticks used to administer corporal punishment in Singapore needs to be immediately formed. This disciplinary should then report to the state capitol.

Then any time any member of the Kansas legislature deviates from the task of cleaning up the budget disaster, they should immediately receive three lashes against their bare buttocks.

peacock 8 years, 2 months ago

"before the legislators all climb up on their white horses to rescue us from a potpourri"

i have stayed out of this whole argument because i would get worked into a tizzy about it, but thank you danimal!!! this is really the best statement about this whole ordeal.

seriously, there are many, many more pressing things to be dealt with than a bunch of people smoking potpourri.

crazyredneckmomma4 8 years, 2 months ago

i agree with danimal and peacock. this is all about making themselves look good and nothing about the welfare of the people. And there are alot more dangerous drugs out there like crack, prescription pills, etc. that we should be worried about our kids getting ahold of. i would rather find my child with a bag of incence then find him/her with a needle in their arm.

boothillbilly 8 years, 2 months ago

Isn't this an implicit acknowledgment by our glorious leaders that our educational system is in the toilet, as they think we are so uneducated that we cannot make rational decisions for ourselves.

But wait, they can't make rational decisions for us either...

Legislature FAIL

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 2 months ago

They should probably pull their heads out and try to create some jobs in this godforsaken state...

bsquared 8 years, 2 months ago

theres currently 14 states that have legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes. unfortunately, based on the ignorant statements made by kansas lawmakers, i believe kansas will be the 50th state that legalizes it. they dont realize it doesnt matter. people always have and always will smoke marijuana with or without the governments consent. if they were to truly study the facts, they would realize it would bring in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. and nothing would change. we'd still have people driving around high, just like we do now, and just like we always will.

3crookedhearts 8 years, 2 months ago

K2 is, ostensibly, catnip laced with synthetic THC. It's not a bad thing, I'd just rather have the real stuff. On a side note, there have been no marijuana-induced deaths in the history of the United States. Legalize it, then tax the hell out of it. Hugs.

Lukas Warden 8 years, 2 months ago

I did a little looking around and found a web site out of New Jersey that is selling pure JHW-018 as a fertilizer and says it is not for human consumption.

Alexander Neighbors 8 years, 2 months ago

sinedie (Anonymous) says…

Think twice? They haven't even thought once. ...........................................................................


Chuck Wehner 8 years, 2 months ago

Did anyone notice the article above the one about K2 in the printed version of the paper? It is "Hospital data show rise in alcohol abuse" I find that very ironic, you don't see anyone urging outlawing Alcohol for the very same reasons.

jammer2death 8 years ago

I myself do not smoke pot i used too and pot itself should be legal i mean come on liquor and beer gets u alot more intoxicated than pot or this new drug k2 i think it is bull that all the people who are lawmakers and they probaly drink we know members of congress do too even think of making this illegal if the do than the are dummer than i thought this country realy pesses me off some times its ok for people to get sheet faced drinkin but you smoke a little pot or anything that resembles it u can go to jail that cracks me up if pot was legal the jails would probaly be empty alot of people would not be raging drunks because they could go home and hit there pipe and eat and go to bed i say fuk the law and their stupid fukin sheet it really has me pissed

Calliope877 8 years ago

“Do we outlaw everything? People have to be responsible for their own actions,” he said.

DING DING DING We have a winner!!!!!

JPAZ 7 years, 11 months ago

They are trying to outlaw something they know "little to nothing" about. From a consumer's standpoint, K2 is not as good as cannabis. It's "metallic" and un-natural. It taste and smells like a 70 year old womans perfume drawer. It doesn't feel as good, it's not as relaxing, and it doesn't give you the same, "thank god" feeling you get when you take a good toke of cannabis bud. If you can't smoke pot and you want to get high it's an alternative and it costs the same amount of money as pot.

One thing I noticed that suprised me is that my breathing sharply improved AFTER smoking it for a few days. Parts of my lungs that I guess were not as open opened up and I felt better taking deep breaths. It gives you the munchies, it does get you high and alter your perception (in very interesting and worthwhile ways cough ego death cough), and it does slightly, and I mean slightly, ease pain. I smoked it for two reasons. First, I wanted to see how it altered perception vs. real cannabis. Second, since these drugs are probably going to be used as cancer medication once big pharma gets a hold of them and tweaks them, I was curious as to their effects as medicine. In my honest, experienced, and educated opinion I feel that the real thing should be legalized and that this is just a temporary hot topic that will disappear after people get sick of it. I went through one package and I'm sick of it already. Make it illegal? Nahh, you’re wasting your time and our money.

Cooky_the_Cook 7 years, 11 months ago

Forget K2 and buy the pure stuff (JWH-018 and JWH-073) online before it is banned in Kansas. Chemical manufacturers sell it for like $30-40 a gram without all of the worthless plant material. It will work great for all of you marijuana addicts who have to get a job or stay out on parole or whatever. Maybe smoke it in bowl of something from Teapouro.

ericcartman03 7 years, 11 months ago

Damn this stuff is expensive i bought some it was thirty buck for three grams. for real weed i could get 10 gram for thirty dollars. But this stuff gave me a really good high. Two thumbs up.

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