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Move to ban K2 heightens buzz

K2 is a legal, smokable herbal mixture with chemical properties similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, a Johnson County Sheriff’s deputy said. K3 is a new drug that is legal because its compounds have been altered from what was found in K2.

K2 is a legal, smokable herbal mixture with chemical properties similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, a Johnson County Sheriff’s deputy said. K3 is a new drug that is legal because its compounds have been altered from what was found in K2.

January 18, 2010

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Residents oppose K2 ban

Local residents will be headed to Topeka to oppose legislation looking to ban chemicals found in K2. The substance has been flying off the shelves since the proposed ban was announced. Enlarge video

Customers trying to buy the herbal mixture K2 left the local store Sacred Journey empty-handed Friday morning.

The store, 1103 Mass., was out of stock; demand for K2 has risen after Kansas legislators announced they would work to ban the substance. Some law enforcement officials have compared K2 to marijuana.

“At first it was just word of mouth, but a lot of news agencies picked up on it and within a month ... just a lot of business,” said Sacred Journey employee Matthew Rader. “It was not uncommon for (the line) just snaking around the store.”

Rader is among those speaking out against moves to ban K2 and similar products.

A Senate committee on Wednesday recommended approval of a bill that would make the chemical found in K2 illegal. The House has a similar bill, with a hearing on the issue Tuesday.

Legislative changes have been prompted by law enforcement, including Douglas County Sheriff Ken McGovern, who spoke at Wednesday’s committee hearing. Those opposed to the substance have said it may pose health risks as the active chemical in K2 is a synthetic version of marijuana, although the substance doesn’t show up on drug tests.

Depending on the variety, K2 costs between $15 and $30 for a three-gram bag. While Sacred Journey was out of K2, store employees were offering customers a different product they say is similar to the popular brand. Employees at the store said they only sell K2 and similar “ethnobotanical” products to people age 18 and older.

Despite the characterizations of K2 as harmful, Rader said employees at the store haven’t heard of any ill effects.

“Being that we’ve sold it for months and months now, we don’t see any sort of short-term or long-term effects in any of the people who buy this,” he said. The store markets K2 as an incense, not as a smokable herb, said Rader, but he acknowledged that customers smoke K2.

David Barnhill, a local musician, said he’s smoked the substance, which looks like potpourri, several times. It’s a little different from marijuana, he said, but it does have some intoxicating effects, such as disorientation.

Barnhill said his main concern with K2 is that there is far less known about the substance than marijuana.

“Healthwise, I don’t know,” said Barnhill, who tried to buy K2 Friday.

There seems to be a lot of interest in information about the substance. A Nov. 4 Journal-World article on K2 generated about 20,000 views on LJWorld.com, with roughly 40 percent of those coming from Google searches.

It’s a lack of information about K2 that has Patrick Wilbur, executive director of the Kansas-based Drug Policy Forum, concerned about recent moves to ban the substance.

“Nobody seems to know anything about it. It’s really difficult to get information,” he said.

Wilbur said he was also concerned about the possible effects of making K2 illegal.

“You make it more desirable for minors (by banning it),” said Wilbur. “(And) you create a black market.”

Rader said he and several store employees will head to the Capitol on Tuesday to fight the bill, and they’ve gathered more than 1,500 signatures from those opposing a ban.

“It’s a witch hunt in every sense of the word,” he said. “We’re not going to take this sitting down.”

Comments

Jenni Allen 4 years, 11 months ago

if you all ban the k2 ppl. will contiune to buy it. I have tried it and felt no disorenitation from it, i didn't feel anything, i did notice that it didn't burn my thorat like grass does. and it is not addicting, but leave it to the ppl. that like witch hunts, i think they are wrong to ban it

Richard Heckler 4 years, 11 months ago

Seattle's new city attorney is dismissing all marijuana-possession cases, starting with those that were already under way under the old city attorney.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010808085_marijuana16m.html?maryjane

Stephanie Anderson 4 years, 11 months ago

Endless battle. So who's going to start working on the next synthetic form?

People have found ways to alter their mental state for thousands of years. It's no different now. If I choose to get high so be it. Too many people with their panties in a bunch.

BrianR 4 years, 11 months ago

Now it is taxable but if it's banned, it will still exist and the people who want it will still get it and whatever small tax revenues it might generate will be lost.

Good thinkin' legislature!

Boston_Corbett 4 years, 11 months ago

LJW article hype >>>>Legislative hype>>>>>LJW covers hype>>>LJW hypes again

Hmmm

ksarmychick 4 years, 11 months ago

good thing you can still buy it on ebay and have it shipped to your house!

jumpin_catfish 4 years, 11 months ago

I need a buzz mannnn! Oh, my coffee's done see ya.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 11 months ago

This is going to be expensive to enforce.

Chemisty tests will have to be developed, this will cost millions of dollars. Law enforcement will need a boost in manpower, that is going to be expensive also.

Our roads are in such crummy shape, the legislature cannot cut that budget.

Let's take the money out of the K-12 program, the kids don't need an education, they need to be saved from,,,, uhhh what were the side effects? Better fund a study for that also.

A true tragedy would occur if a bill is passed without also cutting funding for other programs in order to enforce a ban on a substance that no one seems to know much about.

And while they are at it, of course they need to ban nicotine and alcohol also, we KNOW they are harmful.

If not an outright BAN on nicotine (a smokeable substance!) , there should at least be laws passed regulating what can be added to cigarettes - there are over 200 compounds (very few of which have been studied for ill health effects!) added to the tobacco leaf to make a cigarette!

jumpin_catfish 4 years, 11 months ago

I was a hippie once long ago and dope is bad but so is alcohol and its legal. When I was young I searched for that one awesome high but the biggest buzz ever was when my first child was born and then holding my little grandson in my arms some years later. And the buzz I get everyday with the love of a great woman. Life is the greatest buzz folks but some people have to learn that the hard way. Coffee's good this morning.

TheYetiSpeaks 4 years, 11 months ago

The govenment ban actually made it more popular? Noooo. I'm stunned. When will the Government learn the Law of unintended consequences?

boothillbilly 4 years, 11 months ago

Reminds me of how only baptists and bootleggers want prohibition.

jafs 4 years, 11 months ago

Of course this should be legal.

However, "months and months" do not constitute any sort of "long-term" observation.

It's very likely the long-term effects of K2 won't be known for a while.

redmoonrising 4 years, 11 months ago

Never could understand why people have to alter their mental state anyway. Can do it with booze and legal drugs as well and I don't like either. Then again, some just can't live in their own skin or think they have to try anything that gives them that "buzz." They're gonna do it no matter what. If this is illegal, why isn't booze?

alm77 4 years, 11 months ago

Kuddos on this headline!! You guys always get the flack when it's gone awry, but never the credit when it's brilliant, so hats off to you!

Jumpin' that was one of the sweetest things I've read on here.

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

All I hear is "blah, blah, blah, Just legalize it and tax it, man. blah, blah, blah, I just want to get high."

Look, if they make it illegal, both K2 and pot are illegal and the potheads will just go back to the real stuff. I mean, if the real stuff is better than the fake stuff anyway. For example, if both steak and hamburger were available at the same price, I'd take the steak.

But seriously, you stoners need to grow up. "The man" isn't just after you to make money off of you. You are doing something stupid and illegal that makes you a detriment to society. Pot is a crutch just like alcohol. If you are too weak minded to need something like them just to get through your day, I feel sorry for you. Straight-edge is truly the way to go. It's the lifestyle I lead.

LadyJ 4 years, 11 months ago

Saw it on craigslist here the other day.

lawthing 4 years, 11 months ago

Why dont we just ban all the Hippies!

Send them back to Topeka!

Joe Hyde 4 years, 11 months ago

If K-2 is banned, every first-year school child gets to be a 3rd Grader right from the start. They'd probably like that.

9070811 4 years, 11 months ago

I would like for the legislators to smoke K2 first before they ban it. They can compare it to alcohol. Then maybe they can make an educate decision. Probably not though.

9070811 4 years, 11 months ago

Not all those who take a toke are hippies. They are social smokers just as there are social alcohol drinkers. Perhaps certain individuals should refrain from pushing all those who partake into one category. They should also refrain from pushing their disturbing "bad for you, good for me" values on those who do partake. Stoners tend sit on the couch and watch South Park while eating Pizza Shuttle. Tons of drinkers drive drunk to Taco Bell at 2am. Then they try to drive drunk while eating Taco Bell. Cause accidents and occasionally flee the scene. Happened to me and they totaled my car! Lovely isn't it?

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

@Defender

How is championing a clean living lifestyle being self-righteous? I feel sorry for the weak willed who don't understand that drugs, alcohol and cigarettes are running their lives. Yeah, it's easier for the government to give in to the stoners demands and legalize this and that. It is all a result of our quick-fix-fast-food society. We want it now and we want it easy. That's why "snake-oil salesmen" make so much money on their "diet pills."

Straight-edge is not an easy lifestyle to adapt to. It takes hard work and strength of mind and character to say no and not join the crowd. I am a stronger person because I don't have to rely on pot or alcohol or cigarettes to get me through my day. So if it makes me a complete and utter jerk to want people to be healthy rather than destroy their bodies with illegal, and sadly legal in some cases, substances, then I'm a jerk.

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Something tells me, Vic, that if we were to go into your lifestyle, we'd find something that could qualify as a crutch.

Not that I'm interested in doing that.

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

@Defender

It seems you, jonas_opines, and BABBOY are very willing and able to attack me personally for my lifestyle. I made no personal attacks. And I refuse to sink to your level. I am against all drug use, alcohol use, and cigarette use. I would prefer it if others felt the same way. And I am appalled by those who seek to have substances like pot and K2 legalized just because they like to use it.

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

Also, I can tell no one here is a wrestling fan, as I am successfully channeling a CM Punk promo here.

It's quite funny actually the reactions...

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

Please be more angry. I bet it's healthy for you.

I got the point. I've had the point. And, I have stayed mostly on topic. The topic here is K2, it's comparison to pot, and the fact that the State of Kansas is moving to ban it, something I fully support. Instead, it has turned into you flaming me because I believe people should be stronger and swear off drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

I have a right to my beliefs and my attitude. If stoners have a right to try to get this garbage legalized and idiots about it, then I have the right to act "holier than thou" in my beliefs as well. It's just as valid a reason.

You obviously not intelligent enough to understand the parody I am feeding you. I am acting out a WWE character here. I am showing you that the other extreme and how stoners and other proponents of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes appear to me. I took my real attitude to the extreme and developed this attitude you dislike.

But I'm not smart enough to get the point? You're don't see how you were baited in and used by a more intelligent person. I succeeded in getting you angry. I achieved my goal. The only thing you could have done to prevent it was ignore me. Welcome to Trolling 101. Don't feed the trolls.

Calliope877 4 years, 11 months ago

"You're don't see how you were baited in and used by a more intelligent person. I succeeded in getting you angry. I achieved my goal."

Translation: Hi, my name is "Vic" and I'm a twelve-year-old who has the day off from school, so I have absolutely nothing better to do with my time. Time to snuggle my blankie and take a nap because me gets cranky when I not have nappy time! So "Haha" on all of you people who are way smarter than me, I sure did show you! I hope that I teaches you a lesson and not mess with me when I not have my nappy time!

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Vic, I'm interested in seeing how what I said was a personal attack on your lifestyle when all I did was use your own term and suggest (with much less length, anger, and contempt than you) that it might be applicable for you.

Care to explain? I'd say that you're quite a bit more guilty of personal attacks and disrespect than I. Why are you excusing yourself? Simply because you believe that you're superior to us?

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

An attack on me is an attack on what I believe. I am sorry you don't feel the same way I do. Calling me stupid does nothing to increase your own intelligence.

I reference a WWE character by the name of CM Punk because this is what his character is. Someone who is attempting to take his beliefs and lifestyle and shove them down your throat. But I guess you don't care about that. I chose to make the comparison, and you don't get the joke. Sorry if I'm talking over your head. Do you want me to go so far as to say "Straight-edge means I'm better than you?"

I digress. We have gotten so far off topic. I didn't think the title of this article was "Vic and the Straight-Edge Lifestyle: Love it or leave it."

I applaud the Kansas Legislature for going after this stuff.

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Care to cite where I called you stupid, or any other name at all? I think you're making stuff up at this point.

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

@jonas_opines

You say that you will find something in my life as a crutch. I don't need a crutch. I am a strong enough person to need nothing more than life itself to get me through my day. The closest thing I could say would be the love of my family and friends would be my crutch. Not some substance like drugs, alcohol or cigarettes.

I have only been guilty of saying that I am a stronger, smarter person than people who need these dangerous substances to get through their day. I have not attacked one person by saying "I'm so-and-so and I'm an idiot." I have not attacked anyone's character like I am now being attacked by Calliope877. I am showing you what an internet message board is about. I took a sharply differing view, championed it like it was the gospel, and baited people into getting angry and leaving mean spirited messages on what is otherwise a tame website. My social experiment is finished. I can see the denizens of this website are no different than any other message board on the internet.

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Am I angry now? Sorry, I'm just amused.

I think I've found your crutch, too. It appears to be egoism and defensiveness.

Vic 4 years, 11 months ago

Uh, hello. I told you I was playing a character. CM Punk. Look it up. I am done playing with you people.

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Our loss, I'm sure. Have a good afternoon.

OzChicklet 4 years, 11 months ago

@Vic

Now you've got my attention! Let me ask you - do you drink caffeinated beverages? How about porno? You like porno? I've never met a person that did not have some sort of vice.

lawrencenerd 4 years, 11 months ago

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local_support 4 years, 11 months ago

Apparently www.k2herbal.com works if they are out downtown. Plus it's delivered directly to your house.

Doug Fisher 4 years, 11 months ago

This ban will just keep more people smoking pot anyways. Especially when it will probably be easier to find pot than K2 once it becomes illegal.

jonas_opines 4 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, tried it two months ago for curiosity, didn't like it. 1/10: troll powers are weak.

earline james 4 years, 11 months ago

Is anyone proposing legalizing medical marijuana? Wouldn't that be a positive issue for the legislature?
Not to stir the pot, but nobody is saying everybody has to use it.
Live and let live, people.

Joker30 4 years, 11 months ago

I hear that the Lawrence shop isn't/can't sell k2 anymore. How crazy!! The only place I know of that's not in KS is www.k2herbal.com. We might have to start buying from them and having it shipped. I called and talked to someone that worked there, they have no plans to stop selling, and said they are doing free upgrades to priority mail shipping. Although I hate waiting, I guess a couple days is better than a week. I'll place an order with them, if it's quick like they say I'll post another comment to let you guys know...Texas doesn't care what you do as long as you aren't hurting anyone else.....which is how it should be!! LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND DON'T BAN K2!!! THE MASSES WANT TO KEEP IT LEGAL, WE PAY THE TAXES THAT PAY THE LAWMAKER'S WAGES. THE LAWMAKERS WORK FOR US. SO IF YOU ASK ME, I THINK WE SHOULD FIRE THEM AND HIRE NEW LAWMAKERS:-)

Joker30 4 years, 11 months ago

msg to Vic - Do you really thinking making something illegal does anything good? Do you realize how much money it takes to send one person to jail? Do you think it's better for our kids to smoke some K2 and have their fun, or smoke k2 and spend their better years in jail? I personally believe that what's best for the children is to take attention off k2. You make it a big deal, every kid on the block wants to try it. Had it not been for the news of KS legislature wanting to make it illegal, most of us would have never heard of K2. I would rather my child smoke k2 until he gets tired of it than for him to smoke k2 and get arrested for it. Answer this: Why would you want to pay a grown man (via taxes) to tell you what you can and can't do? It's the parent's job to make sure their kids stay on track, not the governments.

brokenhearted 4 years ago

please everyone dont try this. my boyfriend tried it and now is laying in the hospital basically dying from this. he became pale and started shaking and puking and now is having seizures. please please please dont do this.......its not worth it!!

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