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Legislator, law enforcement officials call for end to K2

January 11, 2010, 1:56 p.m. Updated January 11, 2010, 3:06 p.m.

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— A Kansas legislator and law enforcement officials on Monday urged passage of a bill to make illegal K2, an herbal mixture that some say produces a marijuana-like high.

“This is fast becoming the new drug of choice in the schools,” state Rep. Rob Olson, R-Olathe, said.

K2 has been marketed as incense in Lawrence and other cities, but officials say people are smoking it.

Johnson County forensic scientist Jeremy Morris said the the chemicals targeted by the legislation are actually more intoxicating than tetrahydrocannadbinol, or THC, which is the ingredient in marijuana that produces a high.

State Rep. Rob Olson (left) and Johnson County forensic scientist Jeremy Morris in January 2010 display the K2 product that they want banned because it contains synthetic substances that mimic the effects of marijuana. Olson, R-Olathe, and Johnson County law officers held a news conference at the Statehouse on the first day of the 2010 legislative session.

State Rep. Rob Olson (left) and Johnson County forensic scientist Jeremy Morris in January 2010 display the K2 product that they want banned because it contains synthetic substances that mimic the effects of marijuana. Olson, R-Olathe, and Johnson County law officers held a news conference at the Statehouse on the first day of the 2010 legislative session.

Morris and other Johnson County law officers also questioned whether the chemicals could have dangerous, longterm health effects.

Olson said that Kansas is the first state in the nation to attempt to ban the chemicals, which are known as JWH-018 and JWH-073.

House Bill 2411 would make possession, use, sale and possession with intent to sell K2 and other products containing synthetic cannabinoids illegal in Kansas.

Johnson County Sheriff’s Master Deputy Chris Farkes said K2 use among high school students “exploded” last fall. “It’s very concerning because the students don’t know what they’re getting. They think it’s harmless, but someone who uses K2, then drives a car or operates heavy machinery could put themselves and others in serious danger,” he said. In November, a 14-year-old boy in Missouri reportedly was hospitalized for seizures after using K2.

The law officers said K2 started being used by former convicts on probation who were trying to avoid positive drug tests.

Comments

madameX 5 years, 5 months ago

So if the concern is kids using it, why not impose age restrictions instead of banning it altogether? Why let irresponsible high school kids ruin it for everyone?

Daniel Kennamore 5 years, 5 months ago

How patently absurd. I love how the same people that claim they wanted limited gov't are always leading the charge to make things they don't like illegal.

marcdeveraux 5 years, 5 months ago

Out law booze and cigs if you cops really want to do good, otherwise bugger off.

gsxr600 5 years, 5 months ago

K2 is sold as an incense. If you're going to ban it, how about you ban paint because you can get high off that too. No I don't care for K2 at all, but I think if you're going to ban a substance, you should actually have a good reason instead.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 5 months ago

Never tried K2 no need for it but banning it is truly the work of a hipocritical Kansas GOP.

Limited government except for when we want it.

Gov't support for religious groups, But only christian ones.

etc.etc.etc.

Danimal 5 years, 5 months ago

Here's a product review I read on the Pitch the other day: http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/11/product_review_will_k2_synthetic_marijuana_get_you_high.php

I think this is just another JoCo lawmaker trying to get his name and face in the papers for the upcoming election cycle. According to the folks at the Pitch this stuff will make you giggle for a few minutes, but that's about it.

Here's another thing that I have a problem with: "The law officers said K2 started being used by former convicts on probation who were trying to avoid positive drug tests."

So they're using a legal substance to stay clean and maintain the terms of their probation? I guess I fail to see the problem with that. It's better than their buying pot from some dealer, violating their probation, and funding the drug war in Mexico.

Everybody get ready for K2 Madness!

Art 5 years, 5 months ago

Danimal says: According to the folks at the Pitch this stuff will make you giggle for a few minutes, but that's about it.

Actually, D, it's a pretty good buzz. I have a cousin who used to smoke pot, and now has a job with the occasional drug test, so he never uses it. But he's tried the K2 a few times, and he tells me he enjoys it a lot, and it's at least as strong as what he'd consider pretty good pot.

And I also fail to find the horror in people avoiding illegal substances when forced to (by the legal system), and deciding instead to stay with only things that are legal. How is that a crime?

livetocook 5 years, 5 months ago

I find it difficult to take State Rep. Rob Olson serious.

  1. His choice of a neck tie.
  2. He looks high.
  3. His chin is smiling.

somedude20 5 years, 5 months ago

Some young kids drink, do we ban all alchol? Some young kids will smoke, ban all cigarettes as well? Some young kids will overeat, do we ban all food? Some kids will have sex, do we ban all sex (that one will be the death to us all)?

jonas_opines 5 years, 5 months ago

“It’s very concerning because the students don’t know what they’re getting."

Yes, they do, Sherrif's Master Deputy Chris Farkes.

Saw this coming.

/It's not as strong as what it's supposed to synthesise.

emptymind 5 years, 5 months ago

Morris and other Johnson County law officers also questioned whether the chemicals could have dangerous, longterm health effects.

Olson said that Kansas is the first state in the nation to attempt to ban the chemicals, which are known as JWH-018 and JWH-073.

A bunch of hypocrits. Tobacco and alcohol are known killers. Any legislator who proposes such triffle and the one who then vote for it should be tarred, feathered and run out of town.

Only in OZ does crap like this happen

cmdln 5 years, 5 months ago

Well on the plus side this enforcement will give them a good reason to keep the 1% tax they want to levy across the state because they are going broke.

Not to mention the 50cent tax on cigarettes. Gee Kansas sure relies that all their sin taxes wont actually turn everyone around. I mean what if everyone got tired of the sin taxes and either stopped sinning, or only sinning out of state. Can you imagine the revenue loss? Wonder what they would go after next.

Golf4Life 5 years, 5 months ago

So basically what this article just told me is to not smoke K2 because it is worse than pot. I think i'm going to go buy some pot right now in protest. thanks kansas government!

Jimo 5 years, 5 months ago

Maybe there's more than this story states but somehow I'm unpersuaded. Where's the call for for money to fund an actual scientific study? How is this not dealt with more aptly through age-limitations, and revised liability statutes? Does this proposal come with additional law enforcement and prison funding?

Ultimately, the choice is whether you believe in limited government or whether you believe in today's GOP. The two seem mutually exclusive.

boothillbilly 5 years, 5 months ago

If everyone in Topeka is whining about budget shortfalls, the plight of family farms, etc., why not just cut out the K2 middleman and legalize it? Revamp the family farm, be able to tax large segments of a currently illicit economy, and fund schools and road repairs.

All of this anti-K2 rhetoric just seems to be a naked grab for free publicity on the part of politicians, giving them the ability to go back to a constituency and say "I'm doing something" after having done nothing. What does it say about our democracy that people actually believe this rhetoric?

frankwiles 5 years, 5 months ago

"Morris and other Johnson County law officers also questioned whether the chemicals could have dangerous, longterm health effects." ... "could be dangerous"... how about we leave those questions to medical professionals not Johnson County's CSI and legislators? Or at least wait to enact laws until we KNOW they are dangerous? Water can have dangerous long term health effects if you submerse yourself for long enough!

delta77 5 years, 5 months ago

won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!?

nut_case 5 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps that could fall to the parents?

Kontum1972 5 years, 5 months ago

i love the Deputy Dawg look on these two public servants. I really wonder what they were like in college, I am sure they were "Angels"...how about you politicians focus on the ..."ECONOMY"....and don't sweat the Dick Tracy stuff.

obtw,.... nice haircut Rob

cmdln 5 years, 5 months ago

delta77, I am thinking of the children. Im thinking I hope they can choose which brand to TP to use on their behinds when they get older. Im hoping they can choose weather or not to consume a specific brand of wisky, or wear a specific brand of clothing.

After all, gangsters get shot, all gangsters wear baggy jeans, therefore all baggy jeans are dangerous and their owners are susceptible to gunfire, they must be outlawed.

bendover61 5 years, 5 months ago

I find it ironic that the promoters of large government want the government out of their lives when it comes to K2. Can't have it both ways.

idarastar 5 years, 5 months ago

anyone have some I can try? lol @gmail.com awesome. lol f**k the law.

feeble 5 years, 5 months ago

It is worth noting that while there are 1000's of years of medicinal history behind pot, due to use across many cultures, these designer, synthetic cannaboids are relatively unstudied. It is entirely possible that they could pose a health risk.

chevelle1986 5 years, 5 months ago

^^^^ walking down the street poses more of a health risk then some herbs.

Abbefaria 5 years, 5 months ago

I love the fact that there are so many people out there that actually believe in limited government. I felt like I was all alone. Keep up the good fight freedom lovers.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 5 months ago

just finished reading the book 'Marijuana is Safer. So why are they driving us to drink'

This is an in depth look at Americas two favorite drugs; alcohol and marijuana. I recommend everyone read this and then send your copy to someone in our government.

These outdated laws about "getting high" with marijuana (and now marijuana-like substances) are insane. These laws were conjured up to benefit a few powerful people, by using racism and ignorance. marijuana wasn't outlawed because it gets you high, it was outlawed as it is a direct competition and a healthier choice to alcohol.

Alexander Neighbors 5 years, 5 months ago

AreUNorml (Anonymous) says…

just finished reading the book 'Marijuana is Safer. So why are they driving us to drink'

Alcohol Tax revenue

GmaD321 5 years, 5 months ago

....and outlaw whiteout cuz I heard you can get high on that and everything aerosol. Oh, and paint too. If you make it illegal it becomes more attractive to kids.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 5 months ago

funny, I didn't read any posts above that were for prohibition of marijuana. in fact, it seems that most people understand that it's not a dangerous drug and think that it should be legalized. Why aren't our government officials seeing this? Because prohibition is a cash cow.
There was one post imploring that we PLEASE think of the children, but I assumed that was sarcasm. In case it wasn't; in the last several years there has been a decline in the number of teenagers smoking cigarettes. the reasons cited are education and enforcement of age restrictions. Meanwhile, 4 out 5 high school students said that they could readily get marijuana any time. So, this war on drugs has been steadily progressing for about 40 years now. why are more kids smoking pot now than ever before? Because the war on drugs has failed. it's failed to back up the rhetoric, and in some cases has actually enticed kids into smoking more pot. Taxation and Regulation is the only way to begin to reduce the number of kids who are consuming cannabis.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 5 months ago

Was_freash, it's more than just tax revenue from alcohol. it's lobby money from alcohol. I can't recall if it's the North American Brewers Association or another group, but they are spending millions on campaign donations and lobbying to Washington every single year.

unknown2u 5 years, 5 months ago

I better go get some today!! You can buy it @ 11th an Mass. @ the herb store. Stock up!

Alexander Neighbors 5 years, 5 months ago

State Rep. Rob Olson (left) and Johnson County forensic scientist Jeremy Morris on Monday display K2 product that they want banned because it contains synthetic substances that they said produces intense high and could be dangerous.

.....could be dangerous. So where is the scientific data to back that claim up ?

Stuart Evans 5 years, 5 months ago

i stand corrected. It is the National Beer Wholesalers Association (NBWA). This little snip has a left leaning slant, but my issue is with all politicians that continue this charade.

"One of the most powerful special interest groups in Washington is the National Beer Wholesalers Association (NBWA), a trade group consisting of some 2,900 independent beer wholesalers nationwide. The group boasts that it has members in every congressional district in the country. David Rehr, the association's president, is a member of Republican Majority Whip Tom DeLay's "kitchen cabinet" of lobbyist advisors that meets regularly to discuss GOP strategy. Bill Paxon, former chair of the NRCC, credited NBWA with helping to maintain the Republican majority in the House in 1996. NBWA gives generously to Republican congressional candidates making $2.5 million in PAC contributions to GOP candidates from 1995 to 1999, compared to under $600,000 to Democrats."

Bailey Perkins 5 years, 5 months ago

There was an ad in the UDK about the plant...even stating how it 'can' be smoked and 'mimics' marijuana.

But then again, most, if not all plants - from the herbal store...can be smoked...where's the limit by the gov? Stop with the nonsense KS...seriously.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 5 months ago

Here's me putting on the grammar police hat. "A Kansas legislator and law enforcement officials on Monday urged passage of a bill to make illegal K2, an herbal mixture that some say produces a marijuana-like high." would read better as ""A Kansas legislator and law enforcement officials on Monday urged passage of a bill to make K2 illegal. K2 is an herbal mixture that some say produces a marijuana-like high."

orbiter 5 years, 5 months ago

"I find it ironic that the promoters of large government want the government out of their lives when it comes to K2. Can't have it both ways." --bendover61

That is because, apparently, you see the world in Manichean way and cannot utilize even simple human logic. And that is your problem. Don't make it ours.

If you really do not understand how insuring social justice through government bodies is different from outlawing an herb that is decidedly less potent than a paint pen you need some serious medical help. Of course, mental health services are not included in most insurance plans, government run or private.

Perhaps just an intro course in communications could help. Yes, the public speaking requirement sucks, but there are interesting terms you learn, such as, slippery slope. Check it out!

Hudson Luce 5 years, 5 months ago

It costs at least $5000 to arrest and prosecute a person for violating a law which has the potential of jail time, and it costs between $30,000 and $40,000 to incarcerate someone, not to mention the fact that the person when released from jail will face almost insurmountable hurdles in getting a job due to the conviction and jail time served, require public assistance and perhaps end up committing more crimes.

Before making one more activity a crime, perhaps people should consider the effects of doing so, and the costs, and who pays the costs - the taxpayers. This is an effort to make government bigger, not better, and should fail. Taxation, regulation, and product liability should be the means of regulating drug use, not prohibition.

Hudson Luce 5 years, 5 months ago

By the way, Rep. Rob Olson is up for re-election this year. It's time for a true limited-government Republican to put up a meaningful primary challenge to get rid of Mr. Olson and replace him. Any Ron Paul people out there up to the task?

Danimal 5 years, 5 months ago

I would run against this guy if I lived in his district.

werekoala 5 years, 5 months ago

God damn it.

They came up with a legal alternative to marijuana, with no known or suspected health risks, that did more to damage black market drug dealers than the last 3 decades of DEA activity combined, that also generated tax revenue in a down economy.

So of course we must ban it immediately.

I hate humans so much sometimes...

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 5 months ago

I haven't seen much support for banning K2 here. Power to the people!

bearded_gnome 5 years, 5 months ago

stupid 'heads can't dial the d----d phone straight! I get so many calls meant for the shop downtown 'cuz these idjiots have scrambled their brain cells.

wring. "hello" "you got the K2, man?" ... and hundreds of variations.

btw, before you throw up the usual cr*p, I live alcohol free too.

crissyb13 5 years, 5 months ago

Think of the tax revenue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lawthing 5 years, 5 months ago

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lawthing 5 years, 5 months ago

There is way more than K2 out there, so why are the lawmakers stuck on k2?

earline james 5 years, 5 months ago

Who's sponsoring a bill for legalizing medical marijuana? I hear the state of New Jersey has compassion for the sick and chronically ill. Why not Kansas?

jonas_opines 5 years, 5 months ago

"I get so many calls meant for the shop downtown 'cuz these idjiots have scrambled their brain cells."

Or because maybe your numbers are similar? My friend had a phone number that was transposed to a Walmart, can I stereotype the Walmart shoppers as basic idiots because of the calls he used to get?

"btw, before you throw up the usual cr*p, I live alcohol free too. "

Yeah, but you got religion.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 5 months ago

well Jonas, your cohorts on the left who wish for Wal-mart to be burned down (comments posted on here) or otherwise destroyed, hate the business, often do paint preposterous descriptions of Wal-mart shoppers. why just a couple days ago one said he/she/it wouldn't shop at wal-mart because of the people who do.
try reading my whole comment. yes, it is the massive number of wrong numbers, which only started happening after that store started selling K2, but I gave a little dialog too. on rare occasions, the 'heads even argue with me.

so, looks like I'm still getting under your skin Jonas?

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