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Reid sorry for Obama ‘Negro’ remark

January 10, 2010

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— Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid apologized on Saturday for saying the race of Barack Obama — whom he described as a “light skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one” — would help rather than hurt his eventual presidential bid.

Obama quickly accepted, saying “As far as I am concerned, the book is closed.” Reid, facing a tough re-election bid this year, spent the day telephoning civil rights leaders and fellow Democrats in hopes of mitigating the political damage.

The revelations about Reid’s 2008 comments were included in the book “Game Change” by Time Magazine’s Mark Halperin and New York magazine’s John Heilemann. The behind-the-scenes look at the 2008 campaign that elevated Obama to the White House is based on the writers’ interviews with more than 200 sources, most of whom were granted anonymity and thus much of the material could not be immediately corroborated.

Among the details in the book:

• Presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton said she believed Obama’s team had used out-of-state supporters to win the Iowa caucuses and had intentionally exploited Obama’s race. She said the country faced a “a terrible choice” between Obama and Republican nominee John McCain.

• Obama and running mate Joe Biden barely spoke, kept separate schedules and seldom campaigned together. The campaign kept Biden off the nightly calls that included Obama, instead having the campaign manager and senior strategist brief Biden separately.

• Aides to McCain described the difficulties they faced with their vice presidential pick, then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to McCain, is quoted telling Palin’s foreign policy tutors: “You guys have a lot of work to do. She doesn’t know anything.”

• Former President Bill Clinton’s efforts to persuade Sen. Edward M. Kennedy to endorse his wife’s presidential bid fell flat when Clinton told the Democratic lawmaker that just a few years ago, Obama would have been serving the pair coffee.

Comments

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

This comment cost Trent Lott his leadership position:

"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either," Lott said at last week's party."

Harry Reid says:

“light skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one”


Seems like Reid should not be in a leadership position either.

grammaddy 5 years, 4 months ago

Pelosi and Reid should both be relieved of their duties for the disrespect they have shown our POTUS. And Pelosi should lay off the botox. Palin is still an idiot, though. I can't wait to see who the Republicans run in 2012.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

Healthcare_Moocher (Anonymous) says…

Reid, just like the rest of the politicians only feels sorry because he got caught.


Yep he wasn't sorry in 2008 when he said it...he only became sorry when the book that said he made the comment was about to be released.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 4 months ago

It is worth noting that for most of 2008 the conservatives in this country insisted that Mark Halperin was a liberal mouthpiece for the DNC.

They also insisted everything he posted for Time was slanted and most likely false.

Carry on.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 4 months ago

All things being fair, Reid should resign or be forced to resign from his leadership position but that ain't goin happen becasue demoRATS are hypocrites. This is just another reason why we need term limits for all these people.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

tom shewmon: "Of course, the looney left will latch on to the Palin comments in this article, not Reids asinine statement."

geez tom, it took you only THE VERY FIRST post to demonstrate your obsession with palin. nicely done.

anyway, sorry for interrupting the circle jerk. please continue.

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

I remember a liberal op-ed piece about Barack The Magic Negro. Rush Limbaugh then did a parody based on this op-ed piece and the liberals called Limbaugh a bigot and used this against him when he tried to buy an NFL team, even though it was based on a liberal's op-ed piece.

The liberal hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

Kontum1972 5 years, 4 months ago

so the presidency is just for real true blooded white men...with Masonic roots?

Hmmmm.. wasn't Hitler wanting a true blood master race..is that what you all are wanting?

2012 is coming anyway...so just enjoy the last couple of years and you will not have anything to worry about after that date..party on till 2012. We all gotta die sometime...when i was in Nam, death was there 24-7, so all you non-combatants with deferments who are still running around enjoy yourselves until then. Don't Fear the Reaper.

ivalueamerica 5 years, 4 months ago

And the very first comment on this shows what a failure the extremist like Tom Shewmon are.

He has no values, he has no morals, he has no opinions, he has no truth and he has no reason. He only has sides.

Fact: Reid is getting much criticism from his party, me included and I an dissapointed and angry by what he has done, as are many dems, however, Tom suggests we are letting him off the hood. I wonder why Tom has to make up arguments that are not true to try and demonize those who disagree with him. The answer is obvious, he wants to win at all costs..at the cost of truth, at the cost of honesty, at the cost of honor, at the cost of reality. It is an obsession presented in the form of a mania. It is a disease.

Tom and his ilk are what is wrong with this country toy....and I am not talking of just the right-wing nuts, but ignorant stains such as Tom and Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh share the title of failed Americans along with left wingnuts like Al Sharpton, La Raza and Sean Penn.

Extremists are failures to America and traitors to their own souls

Mixolydian 5 years, 4 months ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

The truth is that I don't believe that Bill Clinton is racist.

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You don't have to be a racist to make an off color joke or remark.

Reid said whay he said. Clinton said what he said.

I don't think either one is a racist.

Reid needs to go because he advances policies disasterous for our country.

Cinton...well, he can just go on being our big old national goofball, proxy State department head, and collect his speaking fees from anyone willing to pay him.

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 4 months ago

I am sure David Irving agrees with Marion. After all, Marion agrees with David Irving.

beatrice 5 years, 4 months ago

Just as I anticipated before clicking on this story. The people who constantly make the most insensitive racial comments are here acting like they are upset over racially insensitive comments! What a joke. I'd think y'all would be happy that Reid is finally speaking your language.

I couldn't care less if Reid remains in his leadership position, and his "Negro" comment was beyond idiotic. Plenty more Democrats to replace him, while maintaining a significant majority in the Senate. However, this doesn't compare to Lott's comment, which was essentially a statement in support of segregation.

Tom, what is the essential difference between what Reid said, and your prior claim that Obama wouldn't win the election because America wouldn't vote for a Black man? Both are statements about race, with neither being about qualifications. If you are going to whine about Reid, then you need to not make similar statements yourself.

Marion, still trying to preserve "White culture?" I'm sure your friend, the convicted Holocaust denier and racist David Irving, would support you in your cause.

Keep (White) Hope Alive!

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 4 months ago

Isn't ironic that the guy who keeps calling other people Comrade then accuses others of "red herrings."

We choose not to wrestle in the mud with a number of the self appointed experts on racism posting here. Frequent posting rates obviously have nothing to do with intelligence.

Having your own blogs removed from the LJW as being racist is also telling. Isn't it, Marion?

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 4 months ago

What Reid said was stupid and buffoonish, because he is a stupid buffoon. It could also rightly be called racist. Reid is an idiot and I would not mind seeing him go. There are many better dems to take his place.

Two things.

First, the comment by Reid cannot be compared to those of Lott and Imus. Acknowledging a black dialect and that some black folks have light skin is a far cry from pining for the days of segregation (Lott) and calling black women derogatory names (Imus).

Context is also important. Statements like Reid's can be considered racist when combined with a long history of making such comments. A one-off comment like Reid's must be taken in context.

Reid is stupid, yes. And he very well might be a racist. But this one comment does not a racist make.

verity 5 years, 4 months ago

"The behind-the-scenes look at the 2008 campaign that elevated Obama to the White House is based on the writers’ interviews with more than 200 sources, most of whom were granted anonymity and thus much of the material could not be immediately corroborated."

I repeat, "most of whom were granted anonymity and thus much of the material could not be immediately corroborated."

I read a part of this book about John and Elizabeth Edwards in the "New York Magazine." One of the statements read, "At the terminal, the couple fought in the passenger waiting area. They fought outside in the parking lot. Elizabeth was sobbing, out of control, incoherent. As their aides tried to avert their eyes, she tore off her blouse, exposing herself. “Look at me!” she wailed at John and then staggered, nearly falling to the ground." There were a number of other stories about public situations the Edwards were involved in.

All this happened in public and nobody noticed?

I'll reserve judgment on what this book says until I find out more about it, but at this point I'm not going to bet the farm on whether it represents reality. As yourworstnightmare said, context is important and it's easy to twist things to seem to be something they aren't.

And, by the way, I'm a Democrat and a liberal and I have wanted Reid gone for a long time. Not really too happy with Pelosi either. The Democrats have many other more competent people to replace them.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

Good Lord, "Context" is completely out the window when anything a GOPer or conservative says.

Context?

Give me a freakin' break.

If the resignation of Lott was fair then Reid should resign as well.

I think "Negro" does "harkin back to segregation" even more directly than what Lott said, which was entirely out of context as worstnightmare says: "pining for the days of segregation"

ANd what Imus said (ho's) is exactly using "black dialect" when he wants to"., just like Reid ascribed to Obama.

Yes you are correct,....

context does matter.

jmadison 5 years, 4 months ago

Sen. Reid, (D) Nevada, has a history of making disparaging remarks about African-Americans in positions of power in our government. He disparaged Justice Clarence Thomas http://volokh.com/posts/1106263466.shtml.

Our current political class is pathetic on both sides of the aisle.

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 4 months ago

Lott had a problem that Reid does not. Lott was a senator from a state with a large black population. Utah, not so much. The GOP was worried that Lott would lose what little black support he had as well as moderate Mississippians. This is why the GOP participated in Lott's loss of his leadership post. The GOP played ball because they risked losing that seat. Context.

But, Reid pointing out that there is a black dialect and that some black folks have light skin is qualitatively different than Lott's yearning for Old Dixie and Imus' outright mean and insulting comments.

Context is important. Such a remark from a noted and historied bigot will be and should be interpreted differently than a one-off comment from a dipstick like Reid.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

"Lott was a senator from a state with a large black population. Utah, not so much."

Are you kidding me? That is your position on a racist statement,"the population of blacks is smaller". THAT is the defense here? That is the "contest"??

That is rubber logix if I ever saw it. Additionally you opinion that Lott's and Imus' transgressions were worse is also an indefensible rationalization:

"But, Reid pointing out that there is a black dialect and that some black folks have light skin is qualitatively different than Lott's yearning for Old Dixie and Imus' outright mean and insulting comments."

Both of those are dependent if you are offended by judging someone by the color of their skin and that a lighter shade gives one a leg up on being elected, which was the crux of what dumby Reid was getting at. That is the context of Reid's statement, and your interpertation of Lott's remark of "yearning for ole Dixie" is just an opinion and definitely taken out of context and was nothing of the sort ow what he was talking about. Lott was talking about political leadership, not "pining for Dixie". And what Imus stated was exactly what Reid was talking about where he stated Obama: "did not have a negro dialect, except when he wanted to". So "he be down wit it wit all da hoes when he needs to, fajizzle dat."

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

"Such a remark from a noted and historied bigot will be and should be interpreted differently than a one-off comment from a dipstick like Reid."

If you are going to Call Lott and Imus bigoted you had better have some citations or STFU!

This bit of calling someone "Bigoted" because they are on the other team and then ignoring a very bigoted POV in Harry Reid and excusing it reduces the cries of true racism.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

Trent Lott's statement:

"Similarly, Former Sen. Trent Lott lost his leadership role in 2002 after a brain-seizure in praising former Democrat Senator turned Dixiecrat candidate for President in 1948 turned Republican Senator: “When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.”"

HE was talking about electing Thurmond President, not "pining for the days of Dixie".

But look at Chris Dodd's statement on a reals KKK member sitting in the Senate on his 17,000 vote, and yes we are talking about the Honorable, yet Senile Robert Byrd:

"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great senator at any moment… He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation. He would have been right at the great moments of international threat we faced in the 20th century."

SO a former KKK member would be good during the Civil War?????

That is the bit, the gig is up and we can look at what people say and their context. There is no more spinning and when spinning you will be caught. This is about a clear double standard.

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

The truth is that I don't believe that Bill Clinton is politically dumb enough...

To have oral sex with a pudgy intern in the oval office?

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

Was Bill Clinton asleep at the wheel before the first world trade bombing, the morrow building bombing, the embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing too? Was he napping while he lied about the fat intern and got impeached? Was he asleep when he bombed an aspirin factory? How about when he enacted DADT and signed NAFTA?

Was he just having an afternoon snooze while killing women and children of starvation in iraq with a wholly ineffective set of sanctions? Was he merely dreaming away the days while hussein and his sons raped any woman in iraq they wanted and buried shiites in the south by the tens of thousands in mass graves.

As for the money, we will get it back in the coming decades in gasoline for our cars.

On a side note, it is a little considered fact that suicide bombings in Israel ceased the moment we took control of Iraq.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

"Asbestos,

So a nutcase anywhere is enough of an excuse for you to act like a nutcase now? You seem to be surrounded by either (boogolie, boogolie, boogolie, boo…) blacks or Muslims.

Hell of an existence.

(laughter)"

No but it seems enough for you to defend the nutcase.

(laughter)

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

Wjhy does that bother you?

You defend terrorists as well.

It is no big stretch.

You don't like that assessment of your character,

then behave and think differently.

Til then, do not complain about what opinions people have of you.

Apparently you, like Harry Reid, complain about how you are perceived, but it is really your own thoughts and deeds that betray you.

It has nothing to do with me.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 4 months ago

Why does it bother you so much to be a supporter and associate of Terrorists and nutcases, you argue for their "rights" all the time.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

Porch:

100% - 10% = 90% employeed

Word problem: If the population of the United States = 308,462,996 and 10% are unemployed, how many millions of people are out of work? What impact would that have on the health of the nation?

Better yet, how many millions of Americans have lost their job in the first year of Obama's presidency. I know some like to crunch numbers, but we are talking about real people and their families.

Regarding Reid....if one of us were to post that exact saying on this message board not as a quote from Reid, but their own personal belief...what would happen to that poster?

I think Reid should be removed from his leadership position.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

Hey Porch,

"Well, they are “real families” and there is distress out there but the original thesis is that there is this population of “moochers” who are sucking the rest of the country dry and that simply is not the case, now is it?

Neither is it the case that the actions of the Obama Administration caused all of those job losses, now is it? The depression started well before the end of the Bush Administration, didn't it."

No I do not accept any thought of moochiers....there may be some but not millions.

Actions of the Obama administration have caused an increase in unemployment. You won't accept that but maybe we can agree he has done nothing to improved it. Timing is everything the recession started after the democrats took over the Congressional Budget midterm, Bush's second term. So both sides brought it on.

We could list all of the politicans that have made racist remarks if we want too. However, Reid has a bit of a history in this area and only apologized after it was revealed they would be coming out in a book this week. I said Senator Lott should step down and now I say Reid should too.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

No Reid is not going anywhere until after the election. Then he will be unemployed. Just a correction, he did not say African-Americans, he said negro...that is like from the 60's?

The stock market is recovering, it is nothing more than legalized gambling. I remember Ms. Romer saying we had to have the Obama stimulus because it would hold unemployement to 8%. So we spent billions we did not have a millions lost their jobs. Now the recovery is estimated to happen the end of this year, early part of next year. That is not encouraging.

OK off to bed, always good talking with you. I do learn something everytime.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

yourworstnightmare: "Lott had a problem that Reid does not. Lott was a senator from a state with a large black population. Utah, not so much. "

What does Utah have to do with anything????

Harry Reid represents Nevada along with John Ensign.

Mixolydian 5 years, 4 months ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

By the way, I'd be careful about bringing up Imus around jaywalker. He seems to think that Imus got an unfair break.

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Imus did get an unfair break...so did Reid....so did Bill Clinton...so is everyone else that passes on a Dave Chapelle joke at the watercooler.

Most people understand that. ( "Most people" does not equal white people who call other white people racists in online newspaper comment sections to prove some fanciful political point)

Mixolydian 5 years, 4 months ago

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ferrislives 5 years, 4 months ago

Reid is an idiot, and should be canned. I personally have never liked him anyway. There's something fishy about him, and I've never been sure what it is. If the Dem's don't do that, then they'll be seen as true hypocrites!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

mixo, i have an idea.... you AND imus go down to, hmm, let's say 30th and prospect and walk up and down the street calling random people "nappy headed hoes" and see how long you are still walking. get back w/ us here at the LJW after you get out of I.C.U.

Mixolydian 5 years, 4 months ago

Thank you for deleting my comment above. It was pretty stupid.

It demonstrated why, after several beverages, you should never: 1. Drive 2. Operate power tools 3. Get on ebay with Buy it now. Weird packages show up a week later. and... 4. Pen online comments

and, No, I would never call anyone a "nappy headed ho" anywhere.

backyardwino 5 years, 4 months ago

Politics aside, the unfortunate elephant in the room is how entrenched racism is in the U.S. I'll accept any politician's apology about some poor word choice, but I have a real issue with the idea that it will take attrition to combat racism. It is time to take the great King's words and "judge a (woman or) man by the content of (her or) his character." Instead, people create demonstrative names for parties that hold views that they do not agree with and completely miss another opportunity to understand why these things happen. Steele, Clinton, Reid, Thurman and the rest are not idiots, rather, I believe they are products of their time (much like many of those who post here). They are from generations that have grown up with the idea that black face cartoons are OK, where racial terrorism and lynching is OK, and where segregation is OK--resulting in a historically acceptable vocabulary that is more than just merely antiquated today. The real issue here isn't party politics. . . no, it's the good ol' racism to show us just how uncivilized we are. (although LJW comments suffice most of the time)

How many of us will take responsibility for racial thoughts, words and actions? Then again, I realize who will read this.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

backyard, did you see the movie crash? it was a good flick.

verity 5 years, 4 months ago

I think that a lot of times these missteps are used to get rid of somebody that has done a lot of other things which were a lot worse, but for some reason couldn't be used against them. Take Trent Lott, for instance. I don't think he meant that statement as it was taken, but a lot of people hated him for other things, and this could be used against him.

Last I heard, Clinton had issued a "no comment" on his supposed statement. I think that was the smart way to handle this.

backyardwino 5 years, 4 months ago

"the black rappers" probably includes and excludes some of the folks you mention later in your sentence that produce, "very racist and violent music".

See . . . that's how they "getcha".

Eileen Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Look at the authors of the book that quoted Reid. Mark Halperin. We absolutely know his intent.

Reid's comments taken out of context are meant to balance the racist comments that have been coming from the right-wing pundits on television and in print ever since a black man became their president.

What Reid said, I also said to my spouse. It's true. Absolutely true. America would never have elected a black man who had not embraced mainstream white culture. America has treated his wife badly because she looks more ethnic than he does. America is not color-blind but many, many Americans are more comfortable with a black person who embraces white culture.

My spouse is correct however: If you are Senator, every word you say can be spoken out of context and used against you. Reid set himself up.

Why isn't Halperin calling out the racist remarks against the president that go out on Fox News every day?

This is an attempt by the right - Halperin carries water for the right - to say "look they do it too."

No thinking person would swallow it.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

^^^ do i detect a splash of sarcasm, my dear tommy?

Mixolydian 5 years, 4 months ago

No, the comment was actually pretty stupid. I would have deleted it if that was an option.

tunahelper 5 years, 4 months ago

reid is just another hypocritical leftist libtard dumbocrat who will say anything now to try to save his seat. Fortunately he will voted out of his seat in Nevada and replaced with a Republican.

the congressional black caucus is a joke too. they were so quick to jump on Trent Lott back in 1992, but then defend reid now. what a bunch of two-faced liars!

thank God the Republicans will win BIG this fall of 2010!

TopJayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

I wonder which rust-bucket trailor in Searchlight is owned by Harry. What a dump.

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