Archive for Sunday, January 10, 2010

FINAL: Unbeaten no more: No. 1 KU falls to No. 16 Tennessee, 76-68

Dejected Kansas players Xavier Henry (1) and Cole Aldrich make their way from the floor after the Jayhawks' 76-68 loss to Tennessee Sunday, Jan. 10, 2009 at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville.

Dejected Kansas players Xavier Henry (1) and Cole Aldrich make their way from the floor after the Jayhawks' 76-68 loss to Tennessee Sunday, Jan. 10, 2009 at Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville.

January 10, 2010, 2:14 p.m. Updated January 10, 2010, 7:47 p.m.

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KU vs. Tennessee

Box Score

KU scoring — Collins 22, Taylor 13, X. Henry 10, Aldrich 7, Morningstar 6, Marcus Morris 5, Reed 3, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 23-for-61 from the floor (37.7 percent), 7-for-27 from three (25.9 percent) and 15-for-21 (71.4 percent).

UT was 26-for-54 from the floor (48.1 percent), 9-for-18 from three (50 percent) and 15-for-29 from the free-throw line (51.7 percent).

KU had 16 turnovers to UT’s eight. KU out-rebounded UT, 42-35.

FINAL: UT defeats KU, 76-68

Chism gets the ball on the inbounds, and Self screams for Aldrich to foul him. The big man can’t reach him, so UT takes it upcourt.

And a walk-on wins the game for UT. With the shot clock at one, Skylar McBee throws in an off-balanced, leaning three-pointer over Taylor, and the crowd erupts. Taylor looks to the ceiling in disbelief.

Collins misses a forced three, and UT hits a free throw. Xavier Henry misses the next long one, and UT comes away with the rebound with 17.2 seconds left. The overrated chant starts.

Taylor misses a meaningless three at the buzzer, and Hopson chucks the ball up by the videoboard.

KU is unbeated no more, falling 76-68.

Surprisingly, the UT fans keep themselves off the floor.

UT 71/KU 68 — 1:10 left in 2nd half

KU with another steal in the backcourt, as Chism tried a behind-the-back dribble that was poked away.

Collins thought about taking a tough shot himself, but instead he kicked it out to Morningstar for a three that goes through. Self calls timeout with KU down just three. A “Let’s go Jayhawks” chant faintly comes down from the rafters.

UT 71/KU 65 — 1:18 left in 2nd half

KU gets a stop, but Taylor gets in the air underneath the basket and tries a scoop pass, and the ball is stolen away. Maze makes both free throws after getting fouled.

Collins brings the ball up, but he has it stolen immediately by Prince. The guard misses both free throws, though.

Collins passes out to Reed for a three, but it clangs off the rim. That’s the shot you want if you’re KU. Reed immediately fouls Prince, and he makes one of two.

Collins airballs a forced three, but KU steals it on the next UT possession. Morningstar is fouled on a layup attempt, and that’s Prince’s fifth foul. Morningstar makes one of two.

UT 68/KU 64 — 3:15 left in 2nd half

KU forces a turnover, but Collins can’t get a short shot in the lane to fall.

Following a Hopson miss, Xavier Henry makes a strong move to the rim, drawing the foul and hanging in the air to put the shot off the glass and in. His free throw puts KU down two.

Aldrich with a block, and KU runs the other way. Taylor is fouled on a layup attempt, and two free throws tie up the game. Momentum has swung to KU.

With Aldrich in his face, Maze drops a tough, 19-footer. Taylor turns it over on the other end trying to get a pass over a defender, and Hopson finishes the run-out with an emphatic slam.

Collins drives to the lane, but once again misses the short shot. Marcus Morris can’t grab the board underneath, as it goes off his knee and out of bounds.

UT 64/KU 59 — 5:44 left in 2nd half

Xavier Henry checks in, and Taylor talks to him on the court, telling him not to force it offensively.

Skylar McBee, another walk-on, buries a three. UT is 8-for-17 (47.1 percent) from three this game.

After the teams trade free throws, Taylor confidently steps into a three and swishes it. The deficit is down to five.

Maze drives past Collins for a two. Collins knows he let two in defensively, so he sprints to the other end and quickly knocks in an 18-footer. This much can be said about KU: It hasn’t let UT deliver the knockout blow, even though the Vols seemed on the verge of it a few times.

UT 57/KU 51 — 11:01 left in 2nd half

A UT basket puts KU down nine, but right on cue, Collins drives for two with a foul. He puts in the free throw to keep KU down six.

Just when KU gets something going — Aldrich and Taylor both hit free throws to trim the UT lead to four — Hopson puts in a jumper, then Markieff Morris tosses the inbounds pass over Collins’ head and out of bounds.

Marcus Morris receives a nice pass from his brother, but he blows the easy layup. He’s shooting it too quickly and short-arming it. He gets the rebound, though, and will shoot two free throws after the break.

UT 53/KU 46 — 11:01 left in 2nd half

Two breakdowns defensively put KU in a hole. Maze drives to the rim for two, and he’s fouled by Taylor before completing the three-point play.

The next possession, Markieff Morris is late getting out to Chism, and the big man buries a straight-on three. Timeout KU.

Out of the break, Collins gets free in the corner and drains a three. No scream this time. It’s almost a sigh of relief from the guard instead.

KU plays solid defense, but before the shot clock expires, Woolridge throws in another guarded three. That’s his season-high now with 12 points.

After Reed misses an open three, Woolridge beats all the Jayhawks down the floor, and that’s about the fifth time today that KU has gotten beaten back down the floor defensively. Woolridge is fouled and makes a free throw.

Collins drives and rattles in a tough, tough shot on the baseline to keep KU within striking distance at six.

KU switches to a 2-3 zone. You don’t see that happen much under Self.

UT tries to steal a minute before the media timeout with three walk-ons on the court. Josh Bone — one of those walk-ons — puts in a three. I’ve got to wonder why KU didn’t switch back to the man with such poor ball-handlers on the court.

UT 40/KU 39 — 15:47 left in 2nd half

Following a turnover, Xavier Henry checks out for KU. Morningstar checks in. Xavier just hasn’t seemed like himself the last two games.

KU finally gets it in to Aldrich, and after a few hard dribbles, the big man rolls in a turn-around.

Collins follows with a lob that Taylor slams home for an alley-oop.

Another drive and left-handed layup by Prince. KU is having trouble keeping the UT guards away from the rim.

KU scoring — Collins 10 (3-for-8 shooting), Xavier Henry 7, Taylor 5, Reed 3, Marcus Morris 2, Aldrich 2 (12 rebounds), Morningstar 2, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 12-for-34 from the floor (35.3 percent), 4-for-13 from three (30.8 percent) and 5-for-7 from the free-throw line (71.4 percent).

UT was 12-for-25 from the floor (48 percent), 4-for-8 from three (50 percent) and 5-for-9 from the free-throw line (55.6 percent).

KU out-rebounded UT, 22-17, in the first half. KU had six turnovers to Tennessee’s four.

One halftime thought

It’s fine for Collins to pick this team up if nothing is going right. That’s what happened against Cornell. Nothing was working, no one was making shots and Collins made sure KU didn’t lose.

It’s a much different thing if KU starts only looking to Collins. This isn’t a criticism of Collins at all for this game — he’s shooting because he’s had to shoot. No one else is looking for a shot.

Though it’s great to give Collins props for a stellar performance, the Jayhawks can’t convince themselves that he’s the only talented player on the court. KU needs the open player to take the open shot to be at its best offensively instead of having everyone wait for Collins to take over.

It sure looked, to me, like that was happening in the first half.

UT 33/KU 33 — Halftime

Two straight steals for KU, and the Jayhawks seem to be picking it up a bit defensively.

Tennessee looks worn down at the end of this half, choosing to take it slower offensively.

After committing a silly travel a few seconds ago, Taylor uses a nice up-fake to get a defender in the air before driving baseline for a quick layup.

Following a UT miss, Collins makes something happen, slicing between defenders before putting in a layup with a foul. Most important, though, was that Collins drew Chism’s third foul. He’s one of UT’s only threats inside.

Kenny Hall gets away with a travel underneath before putting in a layup, but Reed answers with another huge shot, draining a three just before the buzzer to tie the score at half.

Self is still going crazy about the non-travel call after the halftime buzzer, and assistant coach Joe Dooley wisely puts himself between the official and Self to save the head coach a technical.

UT 29/KU 24 — 3:44 left in 1st half

KU’s players look tentative offensively. It’s like they’re reverted to last year, passing just to wait for Collins to do something cool.

Taylor misses a shot, but Aldrich gets the board and puts i his first points of the game.

Scotty Hopson uses a quick move to the rim to get a shot to go in, and Pearl pumps his arms in the air, pleading for the fans to get louder. They do.

Hopson with another burst to the basket for two, and UT has its first lead at 23-21.

Two more free throws by UT, and another drive and two for Hopson pushes the lead to six for the Vols. KU’s bigger troubles are on the offensive end, where it has just five points in the last 6 1/2 minutes.

Horrible foul by Bobby Maze, who bailed out Collins on a desperation three-point attempt with a foul. Collins makes all three of the crucial freebies.

KU 19/UT 19 — 7:49 left in 1st half

Xavier Henry has lost his way offensively. He’s taking all the wrong shots. He drives baseline, then tries a leaning shot that has to clear the backboard before getting to the rim. Poor, poor shot selection.

Renaldo Woolridge banks in a three from the top for Tennessee. Lucky break for the Vols.

Aldrich blows a defensive assignment that leads to a KU foul, and Self is livid. He yells at the big man, telling him to wake up and also to score on the offensive end every once in a while.

And here comes Woolridge. He drains one three, then another, tying the game at 19 and forcing Self to take a timeout. Woolridge’s season-high in points is 11 and his career-high is 14. He has nine so far on 3-for-3 shooting.

KU 16/UT 10 — 11:27 left in 1st half

Tennessee does show press out of the break, but Collins breaks open and beats it easily. He lobs to Cole Aldrich, but the big man can’t finish the dunk. Xavier Henry cleans up the play, though, grabbing a rebound and putting in the stickback with a foul.

Collins drives to open up Tyshawn Taylor, who swishes a wide-open three. It appears to me that Taylor could stand to look for his shot a bit more.

Brady Morningstar hits a baseline jumper, and KU’s offense has been effective while being balanced so far. The Jayhawks get beat to the other end, though, and Aldrich is forced to foul Prince on his way to the basket. The Vol makes both freebies.

KU turns it over on an inbounds pass. That’s one for today.

Prince gets his second foul, but he’ll have to stay in there. Later, he nearly loses the ball inside, but finds the handle just in time and puts in a layup before screaming in the face of Thomas Robinson. Once again, the fans here go nuts.

Robinson uses a nice up-and-under move but misses the bunny. Markieff Morris follows with the rebound and stickback. Shortly after, though, Markieff picks up his second foul.

KU 7/UT 6 — 15:25 left in 1st half

Wayne Chism, who seems to play his best against the best competition, starts the scoring off with a three. Can't leave him alone, as he's a 35.5-percent three-point shooter this season. The crowd erupts. This is KU’s first road game this year where more than 90 percent of the fans are against them.

Sherron Collins settles things once again for KU, swishing a three.

Marcus Morris buries a baseline jumper, but — this is rare — KU gets beat down the court. J.P. Prince is fouled hard, and the UT fans go crazy. It was a hard foul by Marcus Morris, but not a dirty one. The fans shouldn’t be this upset.

After Prince’s made free throw, the Volunteers settle back into a half-court defense. That indicates to me we won’t see much (if any) pressing from the Volunteers all game because of their lack of depth.

3:39 p.m.

Tennessee loves its pyrotechnics. Plenty of fireworks and flames for the starting lineups.

And, I have to say, "Rocky Top" is 100 times better in person than on TV. Seriously. It has to be one of the best fight songs in the nation.

3:35 p.m.

Another slight for Collins. In the starting lineups, he was introduced as, "No. 4, Conner Teahan."

Oops.

3:30 p.m.

In need of some good publicity, the Tennessee players come to the court through the stands, high-fiving fans on the way down to the floor. I've never seen that in a college basketball game.

3:24 p.m.

Here some notes and tidbits about today's game.

Tennessee's four suspended players combined for 32 points and 14.7 rebounds per game this season.

The suspensions leave Tennessee with 11 total players and just six scholarship players. Four of those players have played 21 minutes or less this entire season.

• UT is 35-2 under Pearl in home non-conference games.

Over Pearl's tenure, Tennessee forces more than three turnovers per game on inbounds plays alone.

Tennessee has outscored the opposition's bench in all 13 games this season. I'm guessing it won't happen today.

In case you're wondering, the patch on the UT players' jerseys is for sophomore forward Emmanuel Negedu, who went into cardiac arrest on Sept. 28 and had to be resuscitated by an automatic external defibrillator. He's taking off this year, and because of his heart issues, his future playing career is uncertain, though he remains on full athletic scholarship.

Jacqui Pearl — Bruce Pearl's daughter — sings the national anthem, oftentimes during the Vols' most significant home games. She sang today (and did a good job, too). UT is 18-5 at home when she sings before tipoff.

• Tennessee forces teams into 20 turnovers per game, but also averages 20 fouls per game. Keep an eye on that, as the Volunteers can't afford many foulouts with their short bench.

2:54 p.m.

A few more observations from courtside here.

I walked over to the Tennessee student section, and UT officials were passing out orange "I Am Bruce" shirts to all the students.

Right on cue, Pearl emerged from one of the tunnels — in white button-down shirt and orange suspenders — to high five those students in the first few rows. It made for a good photo-op for the photographers nearby.

I wanted to get a feel for the "trash talk" that is being hurled the KU players' ways in the pregame, and I received my fill. Two Tennessee students were spreading the news to chant, "Jessica Brown" whenever Collins touched the ball.

Other popular jeers were, "Tubby Collins," "You got whooped, Tyshawn," and, "Our football team would beat you guys up, too."

At one point, Collins came within a few feet of the students heckling him before turning back around to shoot. He looks a bit fired up already, bobbing his head to the music on the loudspeakers while moving his arms to the beat and showing a hint of a grin.

2:15 p.m. CST

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville, Tenn., where the No. 1 Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the No. 16 Tennessee Volunteers.

Well, it happened today. I spoke with a twang.

It was unintentional, too. When pushing the button to an elevator in our parking garage, I asked the nice Tennessee folks around me if No. 2 was the button I was supposed to push.

"No. No. Fa-our," a lady told me.

"Oh," I replied, hitting the four button before saying the fateful sentence. "Then two's na-ott the number we wa-unt, i-us it?"

Immediately, I knew what I'd done without being able to stop myself. Our photographer Nick Krug realized it, too.

It's official: Twangs are contagious. I had always convinced myself somehow that if I moved to the South that I'd never give in to the different talking style.

Yep, I've been here one day, and already I'm talking like the locals.

As for the venue — Thompson-Boling Arena — I have to say I'm impressed by it. The building is much larger than I was expecting it, with one of the highest ceilings on any basketball-only arena I've ever seen. The black seats are new and so are the video boards (I count six of them to go with two ribbon boards).

Tennessee also takes advantage of three levels of donor suites, but all of them are near the top of the arena. In fact, I think it's safe to say that the top two levels of donor suites are higher up than any seat at Allen Fieldhouse. I'm not a big fans of suites and college arenas, but at least these suites seem like they're up and out of the way of the good seats.

I've seen a lot of KU fans in the last two days around town, so it wouldn't surprise me to see 2,000 or so KU fans here today. If we hit capacity of 20,000 or so, though, the KU contingent won't be as noticeable as it was at Temple.

One more thing to watch: Tennessee places some of its students directly in seats on the court in one of the corners. Usually, schools try to avoid this to keep rabid students away from opposing players/referees, but as I'm typing, the students on the court are giving the KU players right in front of them an earful of smack talk.

We'll have more analysis as we get closer to gametime. For now, vote in our poll on the left and also use #kubball on Twitter to have your tweets appear on the left side.

Oh, and http://justin.tv/sremlahc10, password: phog could be a helpful site for many of you today.

Comments

Bryan Wilcox 5 years, 4 months ago

The justin.tv link doesn't seem to be streaming the game today. If anyone is looking for the game online. You'll find it on channelsurfing.net

http://channelsurfing.net/watch-cbs-2.html

maxcrabb 5 years, 4 months ago

Here's another from livelink. (beware, it's a kentucky channel)

http://www.justin.tv/bluebl00d#r=YJuuxSQ

youngitized 5 years, 4 months ago

I think this team is soft. They are missing too many close shots and the team defense is terrible. 7 freakin turnovers in 13 minutes is ridiculous. The three point defense is terrible and missing too many free throws. A total lack of intensity. This is just the start.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 5 years, 4 months ago

Well, they found their identity. Playing walk ons half the game they managed to underachieve in ways one can hardly imagine. I hereby dub this team the Underachievers. Lazy from start to finish. You can't dream your way to the Final Four, you got to play and they haven't.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 5 years, 4 months ago

A walk on just put a nail in their coffin. This is embarrassing.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

We were horrible....just about every function of the game. We have been playing poorly for awhile it was only time before it caught up with us.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

Well, everybody loses some. . . .

. . . . @#$@#^#$^%#$%@#%^$#%^$%&#$%^#$%^!!!!

CLARKKENT 5 years, 4 months ago

ROCKKKK CHALKKKK JAYYY HAWKKKK

PU PU PU

youngitized 5 years, 4 months ago

Bill Self has been saying for a while now that his team is soft. It was all the more evident today against a mediocre team.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

"CLARKKENT (Anonymous) says…

rockkkk chalkkkk jayyy hawkkkk

PU PU PU"

LOL! I loved that....and it is so true. I thought the football team was playing for most of the game.

Bryan Swan 5 years, 4 months ago

Tennessee OWNED the paint today. They drove, drove, drove and KU had no answer. The three point shooting by Tennessee was great, and sometimes that will happen. The most disturbing aspect of this game was how sloppy KU was...Turnover after turnover, bad decision making...What is also concerning is that Cole and The Twins simply do not have the aggressiveness to go head to head with some of the big-man talent we will encounter down the road this year...I love my Jayhawks, and hopefully today (plus that Cornell game) is the wakeup call they need...

Jeff Kilgore 5 years, 4 months ago

I think that Elijah Johnson should be getting playing time unless he is in the doghouse. Our team's offense has been poor two games in a row and I don't see where it gets better. It's good to spread the scoring. It's bad when those totals are four through six. There are at least five teams in the Big XII-- Texas, OSU, KSU, MU, and Texas Tech that are as good as Tennessee. I think A&M is probably as good.

You could see by their reaction when the Vols made the threes that they were surprised. They are a quick team and Aldrich looked very slow. Unless there is play off the bench that we haven't seen yet, I am beginning to wonder where the points are on this team. Does anyone else wonder about this?

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 5 years, 4 months ago

Underachievers. There goes the #1 rating. they'll be lucky to be in the top 5 after these last two embarrassments.

WildcatsOne 5 years, 4 months ago

Just as I have said all along.....Kansas is OVERRATED!!!

The cream puff-cupcake-play every game at home schedule you have played finally caught up to you.

So long to your number one ranking.....you NEVER deserved it to begin with!!!!!

SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

youngitized 5 years, 4 months ago

jkilgore...I agree with a lot of what you said. As I have said numerous times...today KU was very soft and they lacked intensity.

Linda Aikins 5 years, 4 months ago

What would we be without Sherron. This highly ranked highly talented team plays like they are scared. This defeat does not surprise me at all....

davidsmom 5 years, 4 months ago

Some of the teams on the non-con schedule were good when the schedule was made (UCLA was in the Final Four that year) but I would like to see us play more ranked teams in the non-con schedule. I know Bill Self likes to give all the guys a chance to play in their home towns, but I think that's not as important as playing against tough competition.

acg 5 years, 4 months ago

It wasn't the greatest of games but they are still my boys. I know nothing about making a basketball team so I won't bother pointing out mistakes or places they were lacking. I will just say, hustle up guys and better luck next time.

CLARKKENT 5 years, 4 months ago

WELL, LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE FOR THE STATE OF KANSAS BASKETBALL--

WICHITA STATE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bkreed1960 5 years, 4 months ago

Apparently K-state was overrated because they lost to an unranked team. Our team at least lost to a ranked team.

Rock Chalk, Jayhawks!!!

Luke51 5 years, 4 months ago

Yes, these guys are underachievers & SLOW. I've watched Texas & Kentucky. Both twice as fast as Tennessee. Watched this game today & got their butts handed to them with 3 pointers, bad passes & SLOWNESS to the ball. KU's boys are living off their REP. Tayshawn Taylor, slow. Looks like he's in another world out there. The Morris Bros. Slow in the Paint. Xavier wasn't impressive today. Stands around to much. Doesn't move like a he's Mr. All America. Cole & Sherron bring it pretty much every game. Brady & Tyrell go after it. Bill better start playing Robinson & that other Kid. They got beat today by a team that kicked off its starting guard & 3 others. A makeshift lineup against the number 1 Team.

I live in Dallas, KU graduate & all they're talking about is how they cant wait to get KU in Austin this YR. SELF better take some lbs. off those boys & get some SPEED on the floor because TX. & Kentucky will embarrass them. You can run ZONE for so long. But as you all seen today, 3 Point teams & shooters will get KU every time. Tenn. had them. TX & Kentucky have them. CYA at the end of the Big 12 tournament.

Long Live JHAWK Nation!!!!!!!!

Gerry

Finn12 5 years, 4 months ago

I'll second bkreed1960 -- meanwhile, anyone else notice that with 17.2 seconds to go in the game, the score was 75 - 68? Same score had Memphis losing to KU in '08. Kind of eerie.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

Jeez, watch the over-reactions start.

Newsflash. Every team has bad days. Every team loses. Watch UK and Texas, and they'll both go down one of these days.

The tournament isn't decided in January. When March hits we'll still have a chance to go a long ways, maybe all the way. But we may not. One off day and it's done.

The great thing about betting against a college b-ball team, and "saying all along" that they're over-rated, terrible, etc., is that, hey presto, you're gonna be right eventually. By that time, of course, all of the times that you were Wrong about the collapse before that are probably forgotten. (except, of course, for you, Tigerforlife, I still remember)

Whatever the condition of Tennessee's squad, they came to play today. Played good defense, took really good care of the ball, and made some incredible 3s that on another, less-charged night, probably wouldn't have gone in. Result, we lose to a (much more than mediocre) team on the road, in front of 21,000 screamingly hostile fans. We played poorly, made sloppy plays against a good defense, and that's the game.

We'll see how they respond. That's really all that matters.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 4 months ago

+1 on what jonas opines said.

It's still early in the season on a team that's still finding its footing and direction.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

Hate to say, but if there was a loss that could mean the most to this team but hurt little, this was it. I think they had it coming. For it to come at the hands of a ranked but last-minute-cobbled-together non-con team may give them enough pain to take the threat of loss more seriously and work harder to get their heads in the game - every game. The last couple of games they haven't looked sharp. Let's hope they get the memo on this one.

Does anyone know why KU does not play Wichita State?

AlligatorMama 5 years, 4 months ago

Jonas is right - thanks!!

you all got on here and whined and complained with the 2008 national championship team and their few "lazy" losses. In the end you were all proud to be Jayhawks again when they won. They are going to have bad games, this was a wake up call that couldn't have come at a better time. Entering Big 12 play this week they will hopefully pick it up and play to the level that they can. They have the talent, they just need to use it!

Go KU!

Thats_messed_up 5 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe KU's first string thugs lost to Tennessee's second string thugs! Unbelievable

riverdrifter 5 years, 4 months ago

+3 on whut Jonas said. Anyway, when's the last time anybody went undefeated in D-1 basketball? Bill Self is as good as it gets & will use this loss.

Gregory Newman 5 years, 4 months ago

I have been tellin all of yaw the whole season SOFT. At 6-8 or nine you DUNK. The Guards are fast they are just scared. Dribble drive inside and shoot. Brady and Tyrel are fast they just don't put the peddle down the same with Xavier. OVER-COACHED by living on the perimeter. The BIGS DON'T catch and drive or catch and shoot. They wait for a confortation then play WAY TOO METHODICAL

rorik23 5 years, 4 months ago

Neither K-State's loss yesterday nor KU's loss today should be a total surprise to anyone. Neither loss diminishes the fact that both ball clubs are very good this year.

The K-State/Mizzou game yesterday was a toss-up going into it. Mizzou now boasts a 30-game home winning streak, and despite losses this season that are questionable, is now 13-3. K-State, who has two wins over Top 25 teams this season, is now 13-2. It's highly likely that K-State and Mizzou will be 3rd and 4th in the Big 12 this year - who fills which spot is a toss-up.

KU's loss was a little more surprising, given the fact that, from what I understand, KU was a 20 point favorite in this game. Still, not all cylinders can be clicking at all times, and very, very few good teams have seasons where a surprising loss doesn't exist. Some games will be like the KU/Temple game. Some games will be like this one.

These losses for both teams will likely prove beneficial - I think most people learn more from their defeats than their victories.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 4 months ago

I am not a KU fan and I did not see the game, but...

I wonder if the knowledge that Tennessee's coach had benched 6 of their best players caused the Hawks to be a bit lax in their game. I have seen it before. One year, Oklahoma's football team went to the Orange Bowl to play Arkansas. Lew Holtz had benched three principal plalyers, and OU thought they were going to a cakewalk. They got beat, badly.

Maybe the coaching staff needs to do some coaching on letting their edge get dulled by media crap.

Deb Engstrom 5 years, 4 months ago

Tennessee was fired up and playing with alot of emotion because they had something to prove after the suspension their supposed star player(s). Plus they were riding the wave of their sell-out crowd. They deserved to win today.

sparky1958 5 years, 4 months ago

UK is OVER RATED CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

Christ, isn't it just possible that virtually All rated teams are overrated? There is a defined sense of parity in college basketball, and there are a ton of factors that go into each game in and outside of the skillset of the athletes involved, the coach, etc. Home crowd, nerves of the athletes, a previous loss, intensity, player issues, on and on and on.

Remember the time we lost to Oral frickin Roberts, at home? Yeah, that squad sucked real bad, just lost to UCLA in the Elite 8, won the champ game the next year. What a bunch of homers.

jaywalker 5 years, 4 months ago

Jonas breaks the string of irrationality. And this seems to be the only area where bozo and I can agree.

Folks, get a grip. We weren't gonna go undefeated and we WILL lose at least three more games, and that will be incredible, trust me. The Big 12 is loaded; Oklahoma looks to be the worst team............. r u kiddin'?
This years' squad is immensely talented and I recommend you sit back and appreciate the progression they make as the season goes on, and in turn see the excellence in Coach Self's philosophy of coaching. This team has one glaring weakness: lack of athleticism. They're slow and plodding compared to Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, and Robinson. But that can be okay, as long as they realize 'who' they are. We must pound the ball inside, wear people down like the Schottenheimer Chiefs; draw fouls and open up easy threes and win by attrition and depth.
The '07 team was Flash. This squad needs to understand it's Thunder.

We are Thunder. Relax the loss. Enjoy the game.

'Hawks Baby!

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm not sure that I agree completely in terms of plodding versus running, jaywalker, but I sort of see where you're coming from. We have some pretty high-flyers and some pretty fast guys. Collins is of course super-fast, Henry's got some legs on him. Taylor at times seems to simply teleport. The Morris twins are a little slower that Arthur, but Arthur was rediculous quick for a PF.

I think the real difference is gel-time. By the time we made our run in 2008, the primary players had 2 to 3 full years to gel. They almost always knew where everybody was and where they were going, and they didn't make a whole lot of mistakes. It was the experience together that got us past the complete lack of a singular leader on the team.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 5 years, 4 months ago

Bottom line - they got beat by walk ons. Bad day just doesn't describe that. Losing to a powerhouse #16 team would be one thing, but this is a make shift team that put 3 walk ons on the floor and still maintained a lead.

leedavid 5 years, 4 months ago

OonlyBonly (Anonymous) says…

One game does not a season make.


I wished it was one game. But we have been playing poorly for sometime now. There must be something in the air causing KU athletics to play below their potiential.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"There must be something in the air causing KU athletics to play below their potiential."

Could be the lack of a loss. Hard to convince somebody they need to play harder when they continue to win.

brett conrad 5 years, 4 months ago

Some of the players must be better practice players(the twins) than game players. How does EJ go from starting to zero playing time in 4 wks. Must be in the doghouse.

CLARKKENT 5 years, 4 months ago

FLOCK OF JAYHAWKS

FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, THE REASON THAT K.U. AND K-STATE DO NOT PLAY WICHITA STATE, IS A LOSS TO THEM WOULD BE AN EMBARESMENT.

AS A KANSAS TAX PAYER, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PLAY EACH OTHER.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks, Clark. I would like to see them play WSU, too. They often field a good team.

grtnrse 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree, w/skipper - what happened to EJ? And leedavid, did you see the Temple game??

But really, who would have wanted to go in there and play Tennessee yesterday - I don't think many teams ranked anywhere above them would have wanted to play that emotionally charged team, coach or venue - good for them for overcoming adversity with a powerful outing against a good team - who looked pretty flat-footed yesterday. I think Bill hit the nail on the head - they need to decide they are a team and not individuals out to pad their own stats - he's been talking about this for the last month. They will gel - they need some time but that time is rapidly approaching and Cole needs to step up his leadership role w/Sherron and Brady.

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