Archive for Thursday, February 25, 2010

Bill aimed at banning compounds in K2 goes to governor

Both the House and Senate have approved bills aimed at taking K2 off the shelves but on Wednesday the Senate Public Health and Welfare approved the House version because it also included making an additional substance illegal.

February 25, 2010, 3:10 p.m. Updated February 25, 2010, 3:18 p.m.


K2 Debate

Lawrence is a focal point for the current debate in the Kansas Legislature about banning the active ingredient in an herbal substance known as K2. Follow the debate and the progress of the Kansas bills here.

— The Senate on Thursday approved a bill that makes illegal the substances in K2 that law officials say produce a marijuana-like high. The legislation now goes to Gov. Mark Parkinson, who has said he supports the ban.

State Sen. David Haley, D-Kansas City, was the only senator to vote against the bill. "I'm proud to be the Lone Ranger for civil liberties," he said.

The bill also would make illegal a substance called trifluomethylphenyl piperazine, or TFMPP. When TFMPP is combined with benzylpiperazine, or BZP, it mimics the high of ecstasy, law authorities said. Haley said he supported that portion of the bill, but said concerns about K2 were being blown out of proportion.

Bills aimed at banning compounds in K2, which was sold as incense at a Lawrence store, shot through the Legislature earlier in the session after law authorities reported that the product was being smoked by people to get high.

A gift shop in Hutchinson started selling K2 when the Legislature started reviewing the proposed bills, according to an article in The Hutchinson News.

Don Gregg, manager of Cornerstore, told the newspaper, “I’m a businessman. I’ve never had a product that sells as well as this does.”


Dan Edwards 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm all for a ban on K2, as it is a substance created in a laboratory in CHINA of all places and has not been studied by the FDA nor any other organization that examines whether the things we ingest are poisonous or not.

If they would just decriminalize actual marijuana, which has been used for hundreds or thousands of years and tested extensively, then there would be no clamoring for this unknown, untested, potentially toxic chemical sprayed onto potpourri in some Hong Kong sweatshop.

Stuart Evans 8 years, 2 months ago

We cannot just ban every product that people deem to be socially unacceptable or that people use incorrectly. There has been no scientific testing or testimony. The only thing close is this guy;

"Jeremiah Morris, senior forensic scientist with the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office, said TFMPP has no medical purpose."

I think that this is a conflict of interest, as his job security goes up every time the state decides to ban another substance. I would love to hear what Mr. Morris has to say about marijuana. I wonder if it jives at all with what the AMA thinks.

I don't know much about K2 other than what I've read here and a couple other places. It is sold as an incense, and people have decided that it's smokable. If we banned every product which was misused or had no medical benefit or killed people, well get ready folks, because there's probably not going to be much left over.

Jeremy DeBoard 8 years, 2 months ago

Synthetic THC is already being made. Good to know that something created naturally can be banned while making it in a lab is considered OK.,998,12413-2-0,00.htm

My favorite part is the "side effects"

"A cannabinoid dose-related “high” (easy laughing, elation and heightened awareness) has been reported by patients receiving MARINOL® in both the antiemetic (24%) and the lower dose appetite stimulant clinical trials (8%). Other frequently reported adverse events in MARINOL® clinical trials included abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, euphoria, paranoid reaction, somnolence, and thinking abnormal."

Stuart Evans 8 years, 2 months ago

yeah, i find it humorous that many politicians are attacking the new marijuana of today because it's THC content is so much more potent than that of the 60's & 70's. Even though the federal government's FDA approves the use of Marinol and a couple other THC based pharmaceuticals which have a considerably higher THC value than even the most potent marijuana strains. Not only that, but for years, the government has been supplying a handful of people with government grown marijuana from their lab at the University of Mississippi, and will continue to do so for the rest of those individuals' lives. that's a fact.

Additionally, THC (cannabinoids) actually mimic those found naturally in our bodies. in other words, marijuana is more good than bad.

Corey Williams 8 years, 2 months ago

I think it's funny that I've never heard any of the teabaggers say anything about doing away with the DEA. I guess big government is good in some ways.

more_cowbell 8 years, 2 months ago

Better ban that demon drug alcohol while yer at it, lawmakers... that's more of a problem in Lawrence (and elsewhere) than K2. Wait, that was already tried? How'd that turn out?

Where's Carry A. Nation when we need her? X-D

Dan Edwards 8 years, 2 months ago

The problem is we don't know what is wrong with K2. It hasn't been evaluated by any scientific body to determine exactly what is in it and what side effects those ingredients could cause.

Alcohol? We know all about its pros and cons at this point. Same with marijuana. K2? Not so much. It's made in China and the ingredients aren't listed on the label. Sound like something you want to smoke? Cripes.

leedavid 8 years, 2 months ago

If they can arrest people and shut down their business now.....why do we need a new law?

Legislatures............... K2 is not the number one priority for this state. Here's a hint what is:

"It's the economy stupid!"

William McCauley 8 years, 2 months ago

I could care less if some yahoo want to smoke this crap, if their an adult, that would mean 18 and legal to vote and go get blow up in the sand for uncle sam, same thing for drinking. The problem I have with this so called K2 problem is:

(quote) Jeremiah Morris, senior forensic scientist with the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office, said TFMPP has no medical purpose. (quote)

Where is Mr. Morris published research proving there is no medical purpose for these substances he is making such claims about, what makes him such an expert to make these claims and how much research did he do to prove this is a fact? XTC was made and used as a medical use, once the people who were given it told their friends how nice it was to take, it hit the streets and was legal at one time.......

It's all good if you want to pass a law, but lets do it based on sound research and not based on some knee jerk reaction supported by some wild claim by a guy who dose forensics to solve crimes and did no real research to prove his claims.

emptymind 8 years, 2 months ago

Alcohol......LEGAL Tobacco....LEGAL Both are KNOWN killers, yet they are legalized but TAXED. It's ok to slowly kill yourself like that as long as you pay the govt their due. LEGASLIZE POT and TAX it, our economy would turn around before the next election.

Stuart Evans 8 years, 2 months ago

mancity, that's an excellent point. I'm sure that some factions of the teabag party are all about legalization. The problem is that the teabag movement is made up of dozens of groups with different ideals. kind of like the democrats.
We really just need to keep educating the general public about what is really going on with cannabis prohibition. most people just don't know anything true about it.

jbiegs 8 years, 2 months ago

The only reason K2 is going to be outlawed is that it is not manufactured by a large corporation. If it were, the politicians would have already been bought off and be supporting the "innovative" ideas of that company. How sad it is that our laws and governing can be manipulated and bought by anyone with money.

Stuart Evans 8 years, 2 months ago

it's not so much sad as it is downright disgusting and infuriating.

ksjayhawk74 8 years, 2 months ago

Don't worry kids, cigarettes and recreational prescription medication are still very easy to get a hold of and the Government won't be outlawing those things anytime soon.

Paul R Getto 8 years, 2 months ago

Drug seeking primates we are. Kids, don't worry; no matter what they ban, just head to the parents' medicine cabinet and shop around. If they don't have it, check with your friends.

Jcjayhawk1 8 years, 2 months ago

That substance is called trifluomethylphenyl piperazine, or TFMPP. When TFMPP is combined with benzylpiperazine, or BZP, it mimics the high of ecstasy, officials told the committee.

How the hell do they know?

SpunKey 8 years, 2 months ago

More laws aren't the answer..... inforcement is. We can't even enforce all the laws we have now (court system too slow, jails too full).

What a waste of tax dollars and time! Shouldn't the legistlature use their time solving budget issues or other priority items?

I already have to show ID just to buy allergy medicine becuase of these little niche laws. Did that one slow or stop meth use? NOT!

georgiahawk 8 years, 2 months ago

I personally am glad that any time I am having a good time that the government is there to regulate me and my good time. I wish the government was in every aspect of my life so that they could help me avoid the pitfalls of me being me. Thank you for being concerned enough to tell me what to do! Thank God (mine not yours) for conservative politicians that are willing to forgo their principles of less government to protect me! I am humbled!

phoggyjay 8 years, 2 months ago

k2, or spice just not nice. go for the natural choice...cannabis.

kawrivercrow 8 years, 2 months ago

Available at the Coffee Wonk cafe in KCMO at 3535 Broadway.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 2 months ago

"THC (cannabinoids) actually mimic those found naturally in our bodies"

The "best" highs do just that. Just because it's similar in effect to what nature already put in us doesn't mean it's "good for you".

wisecounsel 8 years, 2 months ago

Voting to Ban K2 isn't going to hurt free enterprise, or civil liberties as suggested by David Haley (D- Kansas City), the only Senator to vote against the ban. Banning K2 is about protecting my daughter's 14 year old friend, who started smoking K2 because it is "the legal marijuana". This stuff is made in China - the country that sent us lead trinkets for our children's charm bracelets and poisoned thousands of it is own infants with formula laced with Melamine. David Haley of all people should understand what this ban is about, after all, he sits on the Committee for Children's Issue and for Public Health and Welfare. Maybe he should check his potpourri burner before he runs for reelection because clearly something is confusing his thinking.

Stuart Evans 8 years, 2 months ago

This legislation around K2 has nothing to do with it being from China, it has to do with it being a "marijuana-like" substance. And this save the children argument is pretty played out. The best way to keep kids from getting their hands on a substance is to regulate it and provide an honest education campaign. The proof is in alcohol & cigarette usage. Fewer kids are drinking and smoking today because of tighter sales regulations and education. I really doubt that most kids are smoking K2, considering how easy it is to obtain real marijuana.

OldEnuf... we should probably outlaw everything else in the world because there isn't much that is "good for you". Why shouldn't adults be able to make that decision for themselves? I'll continue to choose cannabis, you can keep your prescription pills. we'll see who suffers from side effects.

William McCauley 8 years, 2 months ago

"This stuff is made in China"

Where do you get this from? It was printed in the early stories the compounds were invented in a lab here in the USA. Someone was pointing to meth and how we can't buy over the counter meds because of the use of ephedrine in making methamphetamines is the main reason why many sinus medications like Sudafed, with active ingredient of ephedrine, are under lock and key at grocery stores and pharmacies now and you have to show your ID and they record it.

However law enforcement now states there is a new "on the go" method for making meth, all you need is your allowed amounts from under the lock and key control and a 20 oz plastic bottle to put in the crap they use to make it and shake it up, no meth lab needed you can make walking down the street.

So it seems there to be truth in "where there is a will, there is a way". The only people being hassled by the laws to control are the legit users.

Can we get back to solving the real problems of the state now that the capital is done playing feel good lawmakers to save the children from lighters and incense.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 2 months ago

It's Kansas folks. Did you honestly expect any less? This state will always be uber-conservative. Good thing Missouri is so close...

PrettyTony 8 years, 2 months ago

While they're tryin' to ban the harmless stuff they should be tryin' to ban alcohol and cigarettes.

took_the_money_and_ran 8 years, 2 months ago

The synthetic cannabis compounds reported to be in K2 come out of the research of John Huffman, a professor of organic chemistry at Clemson (it's his initials that are in the compound names like JWH-018):

The enterprising Chinese manufacturers of K2 are at least trying to make it look like a material with a vegetable origin. Not everybody is so dedicated to faking it. I have a friend who used to work for Pfizer, and one of his jobs was to analyze what was in various "natural male enhancement" pills to see if they were competing with Viagra. Some of these pills consisted of just white powder, nothing "natural" looking about them, and when analyzed, they turned out to BE Viagra. They worked, too.

Sometimes those fly by night products are less than what you might expect, and sometimes, they're more.

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