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Big Ten making overtures to … Texas

Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, right, celebrates a victory with head coach Mack Brown near the end of a 51-20 win against Kansas, Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009, in Austin.

Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, right, celebrates a victory with head coach Mack Brown near the end of a 51-20 win against Kansas, Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009, in Austin.

February 11, 2010

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A source with ties to the Big Ten said that while most people’s attention has been trained on the conference stealing Missouri, the Big Ten has engaged in “preliminary exchanges” with a much bigger fish from the Big 12.

“There have been preliminary exchanges between the Big Ten and Texas,” the source told the Journal-World on Wednesday. “People will deny that, but it’s accurate.”

Missouri and Pittsburgh have been the most talked-about candidates to fill the 12th spot, which would enable the conference to have the postseason football conference title game it lacks. In December of 2009, the Big Ten issued a statement that the timetable for expansion was in the 12-to-18-month range.

Travel costs, in terms of money and fatigue, make Texas seem on the surface like a stretch, but TV revenue would more than make up for the fatigue factor.

Getting TV sets in the massive state of Texas tuned to the Big Ten Network would qualify as a home run for the Big Ten.

Texas already receives the most TV money in the Big 12 because of its frequent national network appearances, but the source said Texas still thinks it can get a better deal for itself and is considering forming its own state-wide TV network.

Geographic concerns don’t carry the weight they once did because TV revenues have grown so much, and this wouldn’t be the first time Texas has considered such an odd geographic match. Before joining the Big Eight with three other schools from Texas, the Longhorns looked into joining the Pac-10.

Veteran basketball columnist Mike DeCourcy, writing for The Sporting News on Dec. 16, wondered why nobody other than him was talking about Texas as the most logical school for Big Ten expansion.

“No one seems to recognize the genius of this suggestion, which may be evidence of its genius,” DeCourcy wrote. “Everyone else seems to be thinking small and boring, but as I suggested not long after the Big Ten Network was conceived, Texas is the one program that could dramatically expand the money-making power of the league's cable operation.”

Much later than DeCourcy offered the suggestion, the two parties finally have inched toward each other with “preliminary exchanges.”

Comments

ndirishguy 4 years, 1 month ago

Oops typo in above comment.....it should have been 8-team divsions.

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ndirishguy 4 years, 1 month ago

At the rish of being off-topic and a little late on this discussion, here's what I would suggest as a permanent solution to all things related to conference jumping, team poaching and a national title playoff system, while keeping the traditional bowl system in place.

Why not expand Division 1 (also known as the Football Bowl Subdivision) to 128 teams and divide them into 4 Mega conferences....The East, Midwest, South and West. You could also break those conferences up further in 7 team divisons. Then have a 4 team playoff in each divsion and name those Playoffs....The Orange Bowl Regional in the East, The Sugar Bowl Regional in the South, the Cotton Bowl Regional in the Midwest (Yes, I know they were excluded in the contrived Bowl Alliance because their facilities were seen as lacking, but that's no longer the case) and the Rose Bowl Regional in the West.

You could then call the resulting 4 team playoff the Champions Bowl and play it off in Phoenix, thereby appeasing the Fiesta Bowl People by giving it two huge revenue weekends instead of one.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

No, you're the one who has nominated and elected yourself as forum monitor. Tell me, do you consider that a step up from hall monitor?

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jaywalker 4 years, 2 months ago

"you seriously need to get a life."

Yeah, I'm the one posting pointless facts that don't belong on a string. Hi, merrill!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

"Never said it was a “major interweb sin”. Just that it's foolish."

Foolish? It's just the JW reader's forum-- you seriously need to get a life.

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thebcman 4 years, 2 months ago

no mention of texas should be without the "longhorn girl", aka Arielle Angelovich ... she is truly a work of art.

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jhokfan 4 years, 2 months ago

Even if the Big 10 adds Notre Dame or Pittsburgh, what’s to keep them from adding two more, or the SEC and Pac 10 expanding to 14 and 12? It would be tough enough losing one member but this has the potential to get pretty serious. All three of these conferences have little to risk in terms of losing members but the same can not be said of the Big 12. If that scenario ever played out I have the feeling KU would be on the outside looking in.

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Deja Coffin 4 years, 2 months ago

Props to Lawrence Journal World for being acknowledged on Sports Center for having this breaking news!!

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jaywalker 4 years, 2 months ago

Never said it was a "major interweb sin". Just that it's foolish.

"but it's OK for you to spend several posts attacking my virtual self"

Don't know which part of that line is funniest. Since you like to be "informed", 'several' implies more than two. And your "virtual self"?! Struggling with the duality of man, bozo? But you're right. I've gone completely off topic by addressing your off-topic-ness. My apologies.

In related news (through the adoption of bozo's topical philosophy), the Big Ten is wrestling with the fact that kangaroos are the only animal that can't walk backwards. Subsequently, pigs can sustain an orgasm for 30 minutes even though Northwestern is a drag on the conference's sports landscape. And Santa Anna was a punk. Remember the malomars!

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Big_Ten_Manifest_Destiny 4 years, 2 months ago

"Why would Texas kids want to play half of their games in places like East Lansing and Bloomington? Will not sell in living rooms."

Right, because kids are always excited about road trips to Ames, Iowa and Manhattan, Kansas. I hear Lubbock is beautiful this time of year, provided you want to make the four hour drive from civilization to get there.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

Oh, so it's a major interweb sin if I go "off topic" by mentioning where Texas University (the topic of this thread) obtained its sizable endowment, but it's OK for you to spend several posts attacking my virtual self (going clearly off topic in the process.)

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jaywalker 4 years, 2 months ago

"I guess jaywalker thinks it's “foolish” to be informed (and honest) about the history of this country."

No, I think it's foolish to inject something completely off topic and wholly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But thanks so much for keeping us "informed", porch.....errr...bozo. I'm sure Texas' history of land acquisition will weigh heavily on the minds of the Big Ten commissioners.

What a maroon.

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labmonkey 4 years, 2 months ago

The Big 12 needs to keep Texas for the revenue generated, and Missouri for the rivalries. The Big 12 needs to step up and keep their teams. Let them add Notre Dame. The geography is correct and Notre Dame is a big time revenue school.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

I guess jaywalker thinks it's "foolish" to be informed (and honest) about the history of this country.

Under that definition, jaywalker's level of ignorance and dishonesty makes him quite the wise guy.

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jaywalker 4 years, 2 months ago

"and instead gave them land (probably stolen from Indians and/or Mexicans)— "

Typical. Bozo never misses an opportunity to play the fool.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

"I'm sure the land was stolen from the Mexicans or the Indians. They got the land from stealing it from someone else, who stole it from someone else. So what is your point? Other than to be hateful and prvocative?"

So you'd have no objection if I stole your house and your car? What's your point?

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onetime97 4 years, 2 months ago

This reporter "genius" thought is only for the betterment of the Big 10. Texas knows it's only been successful because it has moved to the Big 12. No team in the Big 10 is going to help them generate revenue like the teams in the Big 12.

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Third_and_short 4 years, 2 months ago

The Big Ten still has its eyes on Notre Dame. Notre Dame's deal with NBC does not stack up with revenue generated from the BTN. They love their independence and that intangable maybe enough to stall a move to Big 10. TX looks great for the Big 10 and despite popular belief is not tied to A&M or Baylor - remember the Pac 10 almost got TX in 1990s, but Stanford said no (PAC 10 requires an all in vote). Not so smart Stanford. Go read some books. As for a TX boy not wanting to play in East Lancing or Bloomington, maybe so, but The Horseshoe, the Big House, or Happy Valley are a college player's dream venues- Mack B - not so much, at least in the same season.

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TopJayhawk 4 years, 2 months ago

Bozo. I'm sure the land was stolen from the Mexicans or the Indians. They got the land from stealing it from someone else, who stole it from someone else. So what is your point? Other than to be hateful and prvocative?

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jaywalker 4 years, 2 months ago

My bet is that if anyone goes Big Ten it'd be Mizzou. Texas ain't goin' nowhere. And I've heard of talk concerning Colorado to the Pac Ten and Utah and/or BYU going Big 12. Could be cool, won't miss Mizzou.

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LoveThsLife 4 years, 2 months ago

All I have to say is...Don't Mess with Texas.

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rongeyfan14 4 years, 2 months ago

I've generally enjoyed listening to Lawrence Holmes, but this is ridiculous. Let's see: I searched around on some major sites such as the Texas site, ESPN.com, and perhaps a couple other places like Google. Although I may not have seen everything, and there could be more information out there now if Lawrence got to it first somehow, why didn't he actually name the "sources?" Wow, "a source" said this. I even looked on FoxSports.com because he spoke from someone with them on his show about this today, and I didn't find anything there, either. If I'm missing something, please wake me up. I'd like to think he's reputable, but now I wonder....

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puddleglum 4 years, 2 months ago

so they aren't after the money?

must be those cute lil' mascots that they like so much.

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Jeff Kilgore 4 years, 2 months ago

If money is no consideration, then the Big 10 should be after USC, Florida, North Carolina, and Syracuse. Throwing geography out the window is a mistake.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

"That is way easier than continuing to backpedal on your original point about academics having nothing to do with conference membership."

I didn't change the subject, I merely pointed out the source of Texas's large endowment, which has way more to do with what makes Texas attractive to the Big Ten than their academic programs do-- and it's that large endowment that allows Texas to have some good academic programs, not their athletic programs.

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puddleglum 4 years, 2 months ago

actually, our whole society is based on stealing land from mexicans and Indians.

well, we 'bought' the Louisiana from the French, who stole it from the Indians, so I guess we legally bought what they rightfully stole.

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Cooky_the_Cook 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey Bozo...Way to change the subject to stealing land from Mexicans and Indians. That is way easier than continuing to backpedal on your original point about academics having nothing to do with conference membership.

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couranna1 4 years, 2 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

I guess if you want to include minor conferences, there are others, as well, but when it comes to the major power conferences, academics took a backseat to big money long ago.


You are right this is about money. Texas in the BigTen would bring in revenue and more national exposure. Texas @ Ohio State would be huge in football and basketball. Another team in the tourneys; NCAA & BCS plus generate more TV revenue Sounds good for the Big Ten but the question is who would be a good replacement for them if they switch?

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 2 months ago

i notice both kansas teams are never up on the auction block. i think we're kind of the anchor for the big 12 and were for the big 8 as well.

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lama 4 years, 2 months ago

This seems very unlikely, unless the Big 10 took A&M, Tech and Baylor. Keeping those schools together was a big issue for Texas legislators when the SWC dissolved, and Texas will not risk alienating 2/3 of the Legislature.

Makes no sense for fans or recruiting, either. Why would Texas kids want to play half of their games in places like East Lansing and Bloomington? Will not sell in living rooms.

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TcFlint 4 years, 2 months ago

Not sure about the Big 12 or other confernces, but academics play a huge roll in Big Ten Athletics and membership. Texas would qualify on all accounts. Having said that, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, and Missouri would all qualify as well, but not as strongly as Texas.

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ralphralph 4 years, 2 months ago

Let's give 'em Iowa State and bring in TCU.

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PanicStream 4 years, 2 months ago

For anyone wishing to have an informed discussion on Big 12 expansion and Texas, read this blog.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/the-big-ten-expansion-index-a-different-shade-of-orange/

Be sure and read the follow-up posts as well.

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BCSBuck 4 years, 2 months ago

Catbacker, check out this link:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/the-big-ten-expansion-index-a-different-shade-of-orange/

and the updates at the bottom, especially Update #1. Bottom line is this: The BigTen Network, plus other TV contracts made every school in the BigTen $22 million last year. Texas got $12 million in TV revenue.

Texas would gain revenue.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

  • Texas - $16.1 billion --

What I understand is that when the university was founded, the Texas legislature had no money to give them, and instead gave them land (probably stolen from Indians and/or Mexicans)-- land that later turned out to have lots of oil.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 2 months ago

they can have them-- in fact, we'll gift wrap those longhorns and spray smell-good on them to make them all pretty and cute.

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puddleglum 4 years, 2 months ago

yo, check this out: these are the endowments in the big twelve.... some have millions, some have billions. one of 'em sticks out like a t*rd in a punch bowl * Baylor - $1 billion * Colorado - $870 million * Iowa State - $569 million * Kansas - $1.2 billion * Kansas State - $346 million * Missouri - $1 billion * Nebraska - $1.2 billion * Oklahoma - $1.1 billion * Oklahoma State - $617 million * Texas - $16.1 billion * Texas A&M - $6.6 billion * Texas Tech - $792 million

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Catbacker 4 years, 2 months ago

Makes sense for the Big Televen...but for UT? What possible benefit, barring some research status and grant money, could this provide? Texas would lose athletics revenue...much more than they would gain in research funding...as well as their position as the dominant university of the conference. Texas already has a larger endowment than all (except possibly Michigan) the Big Televen schools, and a national fan base. Makes no sense for UT...unless I'm missing something?

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bendover61 4 years, 2 months ago

School rankings are a joke. Academics is only one of the criteria considered. Endowment is a big factor. How much money can we gather and not spend should not be a reason for a university to be highly ranked.

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deathpenaltyliberal 4 years, 2 months ago

cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says… Texas makes much more sense than Missouri, which from a standpoint of academics alone has no business being in the Big 10."

Got to agree with that. There are few schools that have strong academics and can bring more revenue to a flush conference, and Missouri isn't one of them.

Texas? Wow!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

"For the Big 10 it hasn't. Each Big 10 school is a member of the Association of American Universities"

Seven members of the Big Twelve are also members, including Kansas and Texas. But that doesn't mean that in their athletic programs academics takes precedence over big money in either of those schools, or those of the Big Ten.

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hawkfan20 4 years, 2 months ago

If I was the Big 10, Texas would be my #1 choice. There's probably not a school in the country that would bring a larger fanbase than UT. That's a no brainer decision for the Big 10. Texas has to consider if it wants to be a fish out of water and basically lose its influence over a conference.

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Mschottey1985 4 years, 2 months ago

Bozo,

For the Big 10 it hasn't. Each Big 10 school is a member of the Association of American Universities. 60 schools make up that academic league and the Big 10 is the only conference which makes membership to the Association a requirement.

The Big 10 members are also part of the University of Institutional Cooperation...along with the University of Chicago. The twelve members are the top twelve research colleges in America.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

I guess if you want to include minor conferences, there are others, as well, but when it comes to the major power conferences, academics took a backseat to big money long ago.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 2 months ago

Since when do academics have anything to do with membership in a conference?

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cato_the_elder 4 years, 2 months ago

Texas makes much more sense than Missouri, which from a standpoint of academics alone has no business being in the Big 10.

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