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‘Tea party’ is Palin’s people

February 7, 2010

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— Sarah Palin declared “America is ready for another revolution” and repeatedly assailed President Barack Obama on Saturday before adoring “tea party” activists, a seemingly natural constituency should she run for president.

“This movement is about the people,” the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee said as the crowd roared. “Government is supposed to be working for the people.”

Noting Democrats’ recent electoral losses just a year after Obama was elected on promises of hope and change, she asked: “How’s that hope-y, change-y stuff workin’ out for you?”

Her audience waved flags and cheered during multiple standing ovations as Palin gave the keynote address at the first national convention of the “tea party” coalition, an anti-establishment, grass-roots network motivated by anger over the growth of government, budget-busting spending and Obama’s policies.

Filled with Palin’s trademark folksy jokes, the speech amounted to a 45-minute pep talk for the coalition and promotion of its principles. The speech also was rife with criticism for Obama and Democrats who control Congress, but delivered with a light touch. But, aside from broad conservative principles like lower taxes and a strong national defense, it was short on her own policy ideas that typically indicate someone is seriously laying the groundwork to run for the White House.

Indeed, Republican observers say she’s seemingly done more lately to establish herself as a political celebrity focused on publicity rather than a political candidate focused on policy.

Catering to her crowd, Palin talked of limited government, strict adherence to the Constitution, and the “God-given right” of freedom. She said the “fresh, young and fragile” movement is the future of American politics because it’s “a ground-up call to action” to both major political parties to change how they do business. “You’ve got both party machines running scared,” she said.

Palin suggested that the party should remain leaderless and cautioned against allowing the movement to be defined by any one person. “This is about the people” and “it’s a lot bigger than any charismatic guy with a teleprompter,” she said.

“Let us not get bogged down in the small squabbles. Let us get caught up in the big ideas,” she said, though she offered few of her own.

The former Alaska governor didn’t indicate whether her political future would extend beyond cable news punditry and paid speeches.

All she offered was a smile when a moderator asking her questions used the phrase “President Palin.” That prompted most in the audience to stand up and chant “Run, Sarah, run!”

She assailed the $787 billion stimulus plan — “Did you feel very stimulated?” she asked — and said the administration’s deficit spending was “immoral” and “generational theft.”

Her fee was $100,000 for the appearance at the for-profit event. But she said she would not keep the money, instead giving it back to “the cause.” She didn’t elaborate.

Comments

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Is Palin vacuousness really all the tea partiers have to offer?

If so, Obama's re-election is all but assured.

Olympics 5 years, 3 months ago

It was hilarious watching her search for an answer to a very simple question by reading the notes she wrote on her hand.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

What has this piece of fluff ever accomplished?

She contributed to McCain's loss by opening her mouth and revealing her shocking lack of gravitas, quit as Alaska's governor, failed to pay a bunch of taxes, let her husband involve himself as an unelected leader of Alaska's government and cashed her payday by joining the FOX arm of the right wing mainstream media propaganda effort. None of which, in my never to be humble opinion, qualifies her to lead much of anything. The whores and corrupt politicians of the status quo can rest easy, the Tea Party will founder so long as they rely on such "leadership."

mom_of_three 5 years, 3 months ago

Okay, a strict adherence to the constitution, but then she made the comment in Salina that the country needs a Commander in Chief and not a Constitutional law professor. BUt wouldn't a constitutional law professor have a strict adherence to the constitution? Does she also believe that a civics test should be taken to vote, since that is one of the beliefs of the founder?
And if the tea party thinks she could be President, with all the "fluffy" stuff she had to say, then imagine what kind of shape we would be in.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

And now she's announced her candidacy for a run at the President on FOX "News." And the nation slips a bit closer to the drain. Heaven help us all.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Her fee was $100,000 for the appearance at the for-profit event. But she said she would not keep the money, instead giving it back to “the cause.” She didn’t elaborate.


Well, she had to give all her and Bristol's clothes back to the RNC, so "for the cause," a new shopping spree is almost surely in order.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

" Seems like a heck of a lot of money to take from these working class people she claims to be so much about. :-/"

For the love.... You go to a lot of rallies and pay to get in, Agno? You think that fee came out of "working class people" pockets?

"And the nation slips a bit closer to the drain. Heaven help us all."

Now that's a sentiment I can get behind. I've gotta think Republican leadership (oxymoron?) is allowing her to make the rounds just to stir up the base, but when the time comes she'll be marginalized as she should be.
Did I say 'think'? I meant 'pray'.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

And to think.....Obama will be so easy to defeat in his reelection, the left is worried about Sarah Palin. LOL!

The way Obama is going Bernie Madoff would beat him in a run for president just on economic knowledge.

wisenup21 5 years, 3 months ago

It is a sad commentary that there are so many haters that freely offer words. No one centers on the problem of this country being taken apart and broken piece by piece. Most have criticisms of all sides, but no one looks for a solution that will preserve this country in the manner designed by our forefathers. I weep for the next generations.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

"And to think…..Obama will be so easy to defeat in his reelection, the left is worried about Sarah Palin. LOL!"

Sure, keep telling yourself that. The President demonstrated the other day how he would do in a contest with many of the rights current "leaders." By the way, which of the beloved republicans will be embraced by a grateful nation and elevated to the Presidency. Most, in my observation, are considered something just below the sort of substance you scrap off your shoes after a day in a park.

By the way, given Ms. Palin's reliance on crib notes last night in the scripted Q&A session, I wonder whether she could even pass the sort of voter tests the right fringe wants to impose on voting? Good to see her message is so elemental to her being that she needs to take care that she does not forget it.

Also, I seem to recall a great hue and cry from the right fringe about politicians' over reliance on teleprompters. Fools and suckers alone would follow such a creature.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"I wonder whether she could even pass the sort of voter tests the right fringe wants to impose on voting?"

I wonder how many of these fringe voters could pass these proposed voter tests-- unless, of course, the tests consist solely of talking points memorized from listening to Fox or Rush 24/7.

StrangerCreek 5 years, 3 months ago

She's a quitter. Plain and simple. When the going got tough, she quit. Thank goodness she didn't get to Washington. Can you imagine? I can't believe that people think she's something special. But I see those people on Jay Leno every night. You know, the ones who don't know how many stars are on our flag, the ones that thought our new Supreme Court Justice was Roseanne in the photograph. Heaven help us.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 3 months ago

Christian extremists=The pot calling the kettle black.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Crib notes....professional speaker. Teleprompter someone else wrote the speech.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

From a Jason Linkins blog:

"The people in the tea party movement have been believing what they believe for a long, long time. Now they are just staging for-profit therapy sessions, where they talk about their feelings and help each other not feel so sad about the fact that they are at the fringes of society and that most of America doesn't think as they do. They need this encounter group of theirs because they feel threatened by mainstream society. The reverse isn't true."

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"help each other not feel so sad about the fact that they are at the fringes of society"

If that's what he believes, then Linkins is a moron, scott. You'd do well not to quote such idiocy.
There's no argument that a number of differenct fringe elements ae taking advantage of such gatherings, but, as they always are, it's a small percentage. People are protesting the stimulus and its repercussions. Anyone who thinks and disseminates that all or even a majority of 'tea party' attendees are "fringe" is part of the problem that's dividing this country, and thus are no better than any fringe element they wish to ridicule.

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

Palin is certain to run in 2012. Raising $100K at a talk like this is just testing the waters, but she will gladly take millions from the teabaggers, run as a marginalized figure who doesn't stand a chance, take all the money she can get, then declare that it really wasn't about trying to win but about getting the message out. It will be a page straight out of the Pat Buchanan playbook, and she will do it again in 2016, and keep trying as long as fools with money will continue to support her.

I just hope she runs as a third party candidate. That would be sweet.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

" Anyone who thinks and disseminates that all or even a majority of 'tea party' attendees are “fringe” is part of the problem that's dividing this country,"

So, you've compiled comprehensive demographic and other data about these folks, and that's what you base this political profile on?

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

"So, you've compiled comprehensive demographic and other data about these folks, and that's what you base this political profile on?"

Doubt it, bozo. I suspect Jaywalker shares many of the beliefs of the Tea Bagger movement and therefore cannot conceive of the group as a fringe element.

Joe Hyde 5 years, 3 months ago

The "tea party" crowd and Sarah Palin are strongly opposed to things like government intrusion and budget-busting government spending, right? Well, okay, then why do they not give voice to lingering resentment over the policies of two earlier administrations -- the Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush administrations -- both of which steered the nation into horrendous levels of indebtedness?

All the "tea party" people seem interested in doing (at least in public with the TV cameras going) is venting their spleens against President Obama. I'm sure that makes them feel a little better, and of course it lets Sarah Palin make some easy money. But by refusing to make fair-minded examinations of the full range of policy defects that led to our present problems, their anger and taunting won't get anything constructive accomplished politically.

tomatogrower 5 years, 3 months ago

It's funny the papers are only reporting on Palin's speech and leaving out the nutcases who spoke earlier in the day. And why, if these people are just the fringe that a new movement brings out, were they allowed to speak on behalf of the tea party? It seems like this party is embracing the intolerant radicals who hate anyone who is different than they are. Mostly people like this have never become the huge successes they all thought they would be, so they blame minorities and the government. You conservatives shouldn't be supporting of these people. I thought you hated people who blame all their misfortunes on others.

Why blame blacks, latinos, and gays for the fact you didn't bother to get an education? Did these people take all the good jobs for people without college degrees to other countries, so they could make their investors and themselves rich? If they would just wise up, they would realize how they are being manipulated, and diverted to believing that powerless people are to blame for their misfortunes. They should blame themselves for supporting corporations that have destroyed American manufacturing (Wal Mart) and for not seeing the writing on the wall and getting serious about their education. Instead they got involved in sports or partying, then they couldn't understand why they couldn't be rich and famous like all their sports stars and why they get busted, unlike their favorite celebrity that they idolize and imitate. People need to look around and see who has truly successful lives, which almost never involves money or fame.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 3 months ago

The KKK, then the Black Panthers, and now the Teabaggers. They come and go. Historically, this megagroup of wingnuts will dissolve but the followers (usually uneducated with peripheral issues such as meth and alcohol) will linger for decades.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 3 months ago

I thought teabaggin' was what you shoot for after your redwings have been earned.

tomatogrower 5 years, 3 months ago

riverat (Joe Hyde) says… The “tea party” crowd and Sarah Palin are strongly opposed to things like government intrusion and budget-busting government spending, right?

So they are also pro-choice and welcoming to minorities and gays? Not.

kugrad 5 years, 3 months ago

Clearly the teabaggers are a fringe because of the following:

1) Only 600 people are at the national convention. 2) They are strongly anti-government. Most people recognize the value of government. 3) They are not a 'big tent' group. As documented in the news article the LJW was running this morning reporting the comments of the speakers at this event, they are people who believe that their (white christianist) culture is superior to other cultures, that whites should remain the majority race in America, and they embrace clearcut racism. 4) They have their roots in the "birther" movement, which is certainly extremist.

No one needs to be told a group like this is extremist by the media, which rarely if ever says anything of the sort - you'd never know only 600 people were at this event from all the media coverage - twice as many people walked downtown yesterday to save neighborhood schools- no one needs to be told because we can just listen to what they say and draw our own conclusions. I think the tea party movement has the same problem as the 2 actual political parties - their leadership is more extreme than their rank and file.

pace 5 years, 3 months ago

I think the tea baggers were sand bagged by having Palin speak. They had a stronger voice before they let themselves be seen as a Palin Party. Now when she speaks it will be heard as their voice. They probably weren't aiming for being the right wing of stub of the Republicans, offering only one liners to the conversation.

EXks 5 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin & the tea bagger crowd, Al Qaeda's best recruiting tool yet!

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 3 months ago

It is not surprising that Palin would have followers.

Tom McCune 5 years, 3 months ago

I actually wish someone would start a serious third party that focused on efficiency, transparency, and fairness. The TEA-baggers aren't it. They are even more the party of "Not" than the Republicans. They know everything they don't want, but have no real constructive suggestions for making things better.

Nobody likes the bail-out or stimulus programs. But do you have any idea what the current situation would be like absent some of those things? (Both parties collaborated in creating the problems as well as the bail-outs and stimulus.) In addition to Bear Sterns, Wachovia, WaMu, Merrill Lynch, and some of the others that collapsed, we would also have seen the complete collapse of Citibank, B of A, Goldman, AIG, General Motors, and others. 1932 would have looked like a party in comparison to that kind of collapse.

Mike Wagner 5 years, 3 months ago

I like her the most when is just standing there looking pretty...

kugrad 5 years, 3 months ago

I think it is ironic that a homophobic group is known as "teabaggers"

anon1958 5 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin will never amount to anything more substantial at the national level than a fringe candidate. Even though I do not think McCain would have made a good president, I have a lot of respect for his bipartisan work as a senator and honestly feel bad that campaign politics and the incompetence of his campaign for president entangled him with the ignorant Sarah Palin.

As Palin becomes better known she will become less and less attractive to legitimate Republicans and people on the right that are not extremists. Her ability to compromise republican primaries will eventually diminish but maybe has not peaked yet. At the national level Palin is not and will never be any threat to the Deomocratic Party. She is likely to be less of a benefit to the democrats as more and more independents realize what a complete air head she is.

Palin is kind of a MILF political incarnation of Paris Hilton. Some people find her attractive, she is dumber than a domestic quail and the media find her interesting.

mom_of_three 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom, the only people who will listen to the Tea party are those too lazy to find out the facts themselves. Sadly, just one person is one too many.

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 3 months ago

If americans are dumb enough to elect Palin, it won't matter. She will quit, just like she did as governor as Alaska.

Her running mate will be very important.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

"It was hilarious watching her search for an answer to a very simple question by reading the notes she wrote on her hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcVMT…"

Sure Nice try, but Captain Teleprompter uses the Teleprompter in an elementary school speaking to kids, AND,.....

When using the Teleprompter uses the wrong pronunciation of "Corps" as corpse.

Where is all your stupidity criticism of a man more ignorant apparently than Palin and Bush????

HMMMMMMMMMMM????????

LoveThsLife 5 years, 3 months ago

Ugh...we do need a third party in this country..a more moderate party. Palin is NOT the answer. Yuck.

Olympics 5 years, 3 months ago

Asbestos wrote "Where is all your stupidity criticism of a man more ignorant apparently than Palin and Bush????"

Please do the planet a favor and salt the earth of your groin.

Obama did 90 min. of on the fly Q/A with the repubs. Dominated the debate by all accounts. It's quite an impressive display. I would love if ALL our presidents would/could do this.

Bush would have picked up the bottle again and become fetal if he was forced to discuss domestic/foreign policy in this way. Palin was asked a simple asssss question at an event was headlining at and had to look at her hand.

I don't want a moron running the country and only the dumbest of the dumb think she's good for this country.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Olympics....speaking of morons running this country ....anyone tell Obama we don't have 57 states for him to see, or that you can't see fallen heros at Memorial Day programs? (Both available on Youtube) Does he know not to raise taxes in a depressed economy with a sustained unemployment rate close to 10%.

Here are some of his greatest hits:

• Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.

• Obama told Larry King on CNN -- asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers -- "We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that."

And who can forget this gem from May 2007?:

(AP) Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.

The death toll was 11.

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died - an entire town destroyed," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/05/27/obamas-gaffes-start-pile-lynn-sweet-march-2007#ixzz0ewI9AlbU

Corey Williams 5 years, 3 months ago

Here you go lee: "I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you." --Sarah Palin, asked by Katie Couric to cite specific examples of how John McCain has pushed for more regulation in his 26 years in the Senate, CBS interview, Sept. 24, 2008

"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

“They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.” –Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008

“I have not, and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.” –Sarah Palin, after being asked if she had never met a foreign head of state, despite the fact that every vice president in the last 32 years had met a foreign head of state prior to taking office, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008

And then: "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." --Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

I'm sure Obama has made his share of gaffes. Let me know when there are enough to start putting out books.

And "newsbusters"? “Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias”? Maybe you need to hook up with Mr. Nancyboy and commiserate with each other about that vast left wing conspiracy.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 3 months ago

Palin is to American politics as Britney Spears is to musical genius.

BigPrune 5 years, 3 months ago

I like how the reporter editorialized their article. Was this article on the opinion page? I thought reporters were supposed to be impartial.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Main issues being protested by Tea Party protesters:

•Forced bailout of mortgages for those who made bad or risky investment choices by those who were more careful. •Massive federal spending on government social programs that are likely to become entrenched interests. •Increasing taxes on small businesses and their owners, who are the engine of the economy. •Massive deficit spending that will take many generations to recover from. •Ineffective throwing of hundreds of billions at financial institutions with no discernable positive result. •Reduction of tax breaks for home mortgages and charitable contributions. •Not allowing details of "spendulous" plans to be seen, read and comprehended prior to a vote. •Massive "Cap and Tax" on the same kind of air molecules that we breathe out every few seconds. •Wealth transfer that discourages industry and promotes laziness. •Lack of concern for the trillions of dollars of personal savings that is being lost in the stock market

Ooooo! Yup, these people are "fringe" alright. Weird though, since some of these issues are the exact same things a number of our left-leaning posters have been railing about. Huh.
Yeah, those don't sound like realistic issues to be upset about at all.

Kontum1972 5 years, 3 months ago

if this woman cant manage her own kids and their lifestyles how is she going to run this country..lead by example before u start talking trash.

obtw.,,,,they dont really like her in alaska.

Kontum1972 5 years, 3 months ago

isnt it odd how they continued to batter Ted Kennedy for what took place a number of years ago, and now they have the NUDE guy in office who in public during his acceptance speech offered his hot daughters up, now how creepy is that, those poor girls looked stunned when he did that. A good father would never have offered his daughters like they were pieces of meat. This is really creepy. So what else does he do besides pose nude? OBTW i am a parent.

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Dream on Tom! Your predictions never come true! Keep spinning though, it is entertaining at least!

Barry, do you even know how to contruct a thought and communicate it? Finish your high school english class, it will do you some good.

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"construct", evidently I need to go back to typing class!

thelonious 5 years, 3 months ago

Palin is aggressively anti-intellectual and believes God is guiding her actions as a politician. This is an extremely dangerous kind of person to even consider as qualified to run the country. The way she drums up such rabid support from the so-called "common people" and her "I am just a regular housewife" schtick and her lambasting of the elite, intellectuals, artists, etc., bring to mind the kind of approach and reaction that I have read about in history books, can't quite place it, I think it was maybe this dude in Germany in the 1930's that stirred up this kind of phenomenon, and we all know where that led.

Honestly, to think about giving the keys to our nuclear arsenal to this person - just about as scary as Pakistan's nukes falling into the hands of Islamic fundamentalists. Worse, she is a total fraud - she's not the common housewife and mother she portrays, she is actually a cynical Christian fundamentalist right-wing career politician who has been working the system for some time to gain money for herself and power for herself and for her "cause".

People better start asking her some hard questions just what the "cause" she claims to represent is. If they can even get an honest answer, they may not like it.

storm 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, since Palin loyalists adorn yellow magnetic ribbons for sports teams on their vehicles, obviously, they have no clue what a yellow ribbon represents.

They’re probably just as clueless about what the Tea Party was all about.

And Palin coming to Salina is like preaching to the choir.

meggers 5 years, 3 months ago

I found it amusing that she had the nerve to insult Obama's use of the teleprompter, while constantly looking down at her notes, rushing through applause lines, fumbling with words, and putting her speech inflections in all of the wrong places.

And did anyone else notice when she said that Alaska could be "that shining city on the hill"?

It was like watching a train wreck.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"if this woman cant manage her own kids and their lifestyles how is she going to run this country"

That's intellectually void, kontum.

"Palin is aggressively anti-intellectual and believes God is guiding her actions as a politician. This is an extremely dangerous kind of person to even consider as qualified to run the country"

The above was funny and unsettlingly accurate, thelonious, but then you had to digress and go Godwin.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

A couple of Palin observations:

  • nothing at all of substance from her TPN speech

  • Reagan mentioned by her and the host 9 times (9 beers) and constitution mentioned 6 times (6 shots). No you betchas or winks. Some glancing at her improvised teleprompter (palm of hand).

  • no red meat for her disciples (although I must admit I'm not absolutely sure what constitutes red meat for them beyond their dream date with her playing flute screaming drill, baby, drill or her saying "secede" in the right place at the right time)

  • fairly small "sellout" room. I've been to that hotel a couple of times for conventions and the facility has the capability of handling much larger groups.

What struck me about the teabagger's claim that the Congress is stepping outside the parameters of the Constitution is, if that were true, they don't need to wait to see how they fare in the next elections to address that. All they would need to do is file a lawsuit with the federal courts. They have SCOTUS stacked in their favor and they could get the issue decided once and for all, possibly setting precedent. So why wait? The answer: so that they can campaign on it. Not that it has a shred of truth to it, but so it can be used to harness anti-establishment sentiment.

I wish the teabaggers well (not the best, though). They are coming too late in the 2010 cycle to do anything but split the conservative vote, all but guaranteeing Dem election results to buck historical trends by changing the dynamic. Sarah did get the praise of people, but they were the same people she has in the bag right now.

puddleglum 5 years, 3 months ago

teabaggers, birthers, sarah palins, death panels, nobel naysayers, barry penders, tom shewmons, great white hopes

yeah!

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"I nominate thelonious to head up the “hysterical” wing of the Democratic party."

Tom, non-party members can't nominate or vote. It is a big tent, though, so you could always join if you turn over a new leaf ;)

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Barry, you know that you just defined the repub party by what you don't like about the dem party? If there was any indication of the void that is the repub party right now, it is your statement.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

“And sorry, but Palin does have a degree"

Not a putdown, but her degree is a bachelor's in communications with a journalism emphasis. I always thought that was a bit odd given the way she has demonized the main stream media and seemed to not know the game during her interviews while campaigning.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"The lastest gag from the leftist Obama fawning media is claiming Palin had a “cheat sheet” on her palm at the Tea Party conference"

Here's a picture: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/762116--palin-wrote-crib-notes-on-palm

thelonious 5 years, 3 months ago

When TomShewmon calls me "hysterical", I am pretty sure I am on the right track. If he ever agreed with me, I'd be very concerned. I don't think I need to label TomShewmon - he does a pretty good job of labeling himself.

thelonious 5 years, 3 months ago

Even Godwin allows that there may be valid comparisons - it's not a blanket assertion that all such comparisons are invalid.

So what I ask everyone on this board, is this: Palin speaks often of "the cause" - just what, exactly, is this cause of which she speaks? Anyone know or claim to know? Anyone ever heard a clear explanation from her? Is it revolution? Could it be devolution (look it up)? Certainly isn't evolution!

But really, what is "the cause" that she is getting her supporters all fired up about? I'd like a clear, succinct, intelligible answer - with or without a teleprompter.

puddleglum 5 years, 3 months ago

teabagger is part tea party member, part carpet bagger.

as in, sarah palin, what a tea bagger.

tolawdjk 5 years, 3 months ago

Palin was a governor?

I thought that was a four year term. Not a "2.5 years and then FOX threw me a bunch of money to jump ship" job.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

thelonious (Anonymous) says…

"So what I ask everyone on this board, is this: Palin speaks often of “the cause” - just what, exactly, is this cause of which she speaks?"

Great question. I sure didn't hear anything but the usual rambling (minus a few Palin staples - see above), but I didn't drink the kool-aid, either. If I had, maybe the speech comes to life in some psychedelic "are you experienced?" way.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"No, Palin was a horrible mother, an expense account abuser, a hairdoo do-er, a sticky-fingered wardrobe junkie, a wildlife slaughterer, a residence defrauder, a road to nowhere-er, a Troopergater, married to a moron, and a dummy governor from the state of AK with a stupid communications degree who stupidly gave birth to a Down's Syndrome baby."

Tom, why do you hate Sarah? I mean, she's not Presidential material, but, hey, few among us are. FNC hired her as an analyst, but she couldn't offer up anything in response to questions on the topic from colleague Chris "I wish Sarah would do the interview sitting in my lap" Wallace

BTW, you forgot "liar" and "tax cheat".

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm glad that she's going the Tea Party route. I don't think that she'll stick with it when the election comes along though, because even she knows that she couldn't win that way. What I find funny is her constant hypocrisy:

Palin on Facebook: Rahm Emanuel Should Be Fired for "R-word": http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/palin_rahm_emanuel_should_be_fired_VUR6zejDxSatFe08K5N9JO

Palin Defends Rush Over "R-Word": http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/palin-defends-limbaugh-from-retard-comment/?cid=hp:justposted7

Palin dogs on Obama for teleprompter while reading notes off of her hand?

Palin Using Teleprompter w/RNC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcG6F...

Huh? I don't care if either of them use notes or teleprompters. I just want them to be able to put a proper sentence together on their own. I've heard them both speak without teleprompters, and Obama obviously wins that challenge.

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom, as long as they're a good person who's ready for some real reform, it doesn't matter which party they are in.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

"Shocking that the first three posts to prove my point on how idiotic one must be to attempt to marginalize all tea party protesters as “fringe” would be beo, bozo, and scott; three of the farthest left contributors to this site."

By my count, I'm No. 4, Jay.

"scott, you can just go ahead and pluck yourself with that comment. You know what you posted is untrue. Don't be that guy."

Pluck myself? My, my, what a convincing argument!

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 3 months ago

"Wake up and take back America!"

-- the coffee, tea or me party

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

mancityfooty I led you astray. I am not a Sarah Palin fan for President. I like some of her ideas, but as a president....no. And it is no secret I am not a fan of Obama either.

Polly_Gomer 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… "I nominate thelonious to head up the “hysterical” wing of the Democratic party."

There is nothing untrue or incorrect in T's post.

You call the people of Western Pennsylvania 'rednecks' yet you worship the Wasilla Hillbilly? You really are nothing but a troll.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 3 months ago

If McCain would have picked Romney and had not acted like a hot head during the debates, the Republicans would have won and gotten the big tax cuts they wanted.

Instead, McCain showed incredibly poor judgment and we get the Palin soap opera.

But when did the Republicans ever show good judgment in the last decade or so.

We have to go back to George HW Bush to find a Republican that had a clue about anything and he did the right thing when he raised taxes after Reagan ballooned the national debt.

For doing the right thing, he loses the election. The "Read my lips" campaign was a reminder of how stupid politics can be.

bd 5 years, 3 months ago

Welcome to the silent majority revolution!

Kontum1972 5 years, 3 months ago

Wow....huge posts...well 2012 isnt that when the world is suppose to melt away according to the Mayan calendar...?

Palin is the Great Satan..?

we are doomed

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Pluck myself? My, my, what a convincing argument!"

As with most of your posts, you're very confused, scott. That's not an 'argument', it's a 'direction', or 'command', if you will. Now if you'd like to support your accusation we can have an argument if you'd like. But it's much easier to assert and then run away, now isn't it?

Scott Drummond 5 years, 3 months ago

"What's the deal with all the old corrupt democrats dying? Can it be sped up? Why just the old ones?"

Comrade, do you really need to have an explanation on why just the old one are dying? The odds tend to favor it, in my experience, anyway.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"something that is inappropriate on this forum"

Much like yourself, porchie..

"You were the guilty party and you got your post removed. Your behavior is the problem, not Scott's"

Never really know what's goin' on, do ya? Never said scott's behavior was a problem, porch, just that he made a baseless accusation. Again, much like yourself. Perpetually.

"Given your history, I would suggest you adopt a polite demeanor."

That's rich coming from you, porchie! (raucous laughter!) Time to post the Playbook? Come on, be a good doggie......

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"That's a trait very small babies exhibit"

If that's actually analgous in your head, you shouldn't be around babies. Of any size.

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

So, Comrade, what exactly were you "trying" to say in your post quoted by Porch Person? When I first read it I thought it was somewhat questionable also! Please explain!

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Whoops. A typo. That's something porch can hang his hat on for the next six months or so. Stronger than anything else he's got.

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Comrade, you sir or ma'am, are an idiot!

bd 5 years, 3 months ago

The sleeping giants will awake and take this country back!

Tea anyone???????

feeble 5 years, 3 months ago

In other news, Ron Paul is facing three Tea Party challengers in his primary this year, not because he isn't anti-tax enough, but rather because he doesn't support the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan and beause that he votes "no" on spending bills, including federal aid for his district after Hurricane Ike.

Note to all still reading, the Tea Party is not a fiscal conservative movement.

It is an ultra-national, pro-entitlement, social conservative movement with an Anti-Tax fig leaf.

tolawdjk 5 years, 3 months ago

discussion left this paper sometime during the first Bush Administration.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

bd (Anonymous) says…

"The sleeping giants will awake and take this country back!

Tea anyone???????"

Ummm, they're not sleeping. Their pulse is getting fainter by the minute.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/tea_party_candidate_now_comes_in_last_on_three_way_generic_ballot

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"This is the essence of “Tea Baggism.”"

Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue about that which they opine upon. Please let us know who's allowed to protest and what they're allowed to protest without being marginalized by the likes of you.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“Please let us know who's allowed to protest and what they're allowed to protest without being marginalized by the likes of you."

Glad you asked. We know that they are fairly good at following rather than leading since they were able to deliver precisely what their corporate health care handlers dictated over the '09 summer of hate.

Number one, and this is very important, they must arrive on buses paid for by "the firm" or worship similar buses at the time, date, and place they are told.

Number two, they must be loud and especially obnoxious. Since the plan is in phase 2 - public acceptance - a little crazy goes a long way, so back off a bit on the crazy, at least for now.

Number three, gotta show off the guns. Nothing says we really mean it like a cold, metal barrel of whoop*ss paraded around. We may be a little weak in the knees, racist, and don't understand cipherin' so much, but we got plenty of ammo to make up for that.

Number three, I mean four (damn numbers), gotta go medieval about immigrants. If you happen to have a non-white sounding name, you best have it changed by zero hour.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

That's as idiotic a generalization of the protests as I've read yet. Good work, flock.

"You mean the “protesters” who are “riled up” by Fox News Producers during protests?"

Riiiiight. Hundreds of thousands of citizens have turned out for these protests in hundreds of cities; and it's your contention that Fox News was there to instigate it all? There's irrational psychosis, then there's you folk. Pretty pathetic.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

jaywalker (Anonymous) says… "Hundreds of thousands of citizens have turned out for these protests in hundreds of cities..."

Man, your slipping on your Fox math. That's "gagillions of citizens in trillions of universes". Get your numbers straight.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 3 months ago

The bottom line is this:

Sarah Palin is hot! And Hilary is sooooooooooo ugly that...........

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

BorderRuffian (Anonymous) says…

"The bottom line is this:

Sarah Palin is hot! And Hilary is sooooooooooo ugly that……….."

And everyone knows that beauty contest is the method us 'merikuns use to select our President. It's in the Constitution...somewhere.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"You mean, you aren't aware that Fox Producers were trying to whip up a frenzy for television? I thought everyone knew about that."

Step 1 from the playbook, just like clockwork. What a mental midget.

"Man, your slipping on your Fox math. That's “gagillions of citizens in trillions of universes”. Get your numbers straight"

Never ceases to amaze me; take a position contrary to the left on this site and you're immediately labeled a "neocon" and a Fox News watcher. That takes the deductive logic and rationality of a 5 year old.
As to the 'numbers', dimwits, I guess I gave you guys too much credit: there have been hundreds of thousands of protesters -- overall -- spread out over hundreds of different cities. But then a rational poster would have seen through that ambiguity, wouldn't they?.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

jaywalker, I apologize if you think I was making a personal attack. I was making light of the FNC exaggerations. They were pretty funny. Despite insisting that they were honest mistakes and promising to tighten up their fact checking, many think they did (do) it purposely.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

That's cool, flock. I apologize for lumping you together with porch. That was a 'proximity of post hazard', but my bad.
I don't watch Fox so I don't know what's been reported there. From what I've heard the biggest turnout was in DC w/ largest est. at 75k. Other than that, I think most of the bigger ones have been 10 to 15k at best, with the rest being alot smaller.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Without looking it up, I'm guessing you've jumped ahead to Step 6, porch, but I could be wrong

And do you honestly believe I would bother clicking on any link you provide? Lastly, please explain how I'm "wrong". Wrong about something you pretend I meant or wrong about something you pretend I don't know?

sibkiss 5 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin has never impressed me, but all I ever hear about her from the male population is how they would like to "f***" her, and watch her get down on her knees, etc... This makes me think they arent listening to her talk, dont know what she is about - they are just imagining what they want to do with her mouth. Maybe that is why they call her a Teabagger.

I was a Ron Paul fan and still enjoy his political and economic opinions. So what, he's not pretty to look at...He helped start the tea party movement and then it has been co-opted by pro-war establishment Republicans like Scott Brown and Palin.

Repubs are just as responsible for our destruction - loss of freedom, failing economy and the Trillions in debt, and the deaths of millions in futile wars, and the failure of meaningful debate to change stupid laws.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Still waiting, porch. What you've posted is nonsensical at best. And straight out of the Playbook. You do not disappoint. Hahahahahahahahahahhahaha! (That was genuine laughter!)

Now prove how I was wrong and about what, please.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 3 months ago

Did I mentilon that Sarah Palin is hot??? Just checking

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"It makes you look like a deliberately dishonest fool."

Mind boggling. Is it possible you're actually this stupid? For the third time, explain how and what I am supposedly "wrong" about. If it's supposed to be so evident, spell it out.

My guess is you'll just keep baitin' the water with red herrings, and consequently complete a full Playbook rendition. Good boy! Wanna treat? You can do it, come on, good doggie.......

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

By the way, porch, you're already up to Step 7. Just a widdle more, good boy......

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Mindlessly repeating that you haven't been shown up when I've provided the quotes from both sides,blah blah blah blah......."

That's an awful lot of words when it would be so much easier to just admit that you're full of it, porch.

Fourth time: what am I supposedly wrong about, porch? It's a really simple question. Not lookin' for quotes (or at least not what you "think" those quotes "mean"), just asking you to explain IN

YOUR

OWN

WORDS.....

what am I "wrong" about?

Too tough a question?

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 3 months ago

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Go away, falling. Porch's mania is enough for one thread, we don't need another despicable troll.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Now that's irony!"

Oooo! A cheap snipe based on......? You're a class act, Agno.
Might wanna look up the definition of "irony", however. And considering you probably don't know what falling posted, you're pretty much full of it as well, now aren't ya?

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 3 months ago

What my post was removed? Toms post was right above it. So it is okay to be a racist, but you can not say retard, or a parent passing on retard genes? Kansans are screwed up. You can make racial jokes about the Chinees, but do not call a white person a retad.

thebigspoon 5 years, 3 months ago

Leedavid, your comments lead me to believe you, as a long-time military man, would follow this piece of garbage's instructions as commander in chief. Is that right? Do you believe she is the type of material to keep our country out of trouble, or do you believe that she can repair rifts in the international fabric? Do you believe that she can do a better job of running the United States, of guiding the military and the economic structure of the nation, and of providing a moral and intellectual climate that we as a nation need at all times, after her actions in the past two years???? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THOSE THINGS OR ARE YOU SIMPLY AN EMPTY-HEADED REPUBLICAN PUPPET? Your comments, for the most part, seem guided by thoughtful insight (which, though to my mind are off the mark) but your upholding the actions and words of this idiot belies the intelligence you have exhibited to this point. You can not be seriously thinking Palin has done anything good for her family, her state, her (?) political party, or the country, can you? Please say it ain't so, lee, because, if not, you show none of the savvy you so often ask for, and that's sad.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

BigspoonI have already said I am not a fan of Sarah Palin for president. Would I follow her orders? Yes I followed every order every time.

I concern myself with fairness. Obama gets a pass on mistakes, Palin gets grilled. I must say everytime the left goes after her....she gets stronger in the polls. As far as a presidential candidate from the right, we don't really have one at this time. Seems to me retreads from the left or right, rarely have success the second time around. Some....but not many.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 3 months ago

lee Are you kidding about the right being kind to Obama. When I have mail from the Kansas republicans saying Obama is trying to give the country to the uneducated, unemploed people from the ghetos of America. What is that called being kind, and trying to work with the president. More likely it is racist, economicly, socially,ect..... If you would like a copy of it I could leave a copy of the mailer at the post office. If the post office will let me leave copies for who ever wants one. Also I am not a demican, or a republicrat. Both parties are ruining our country, and should be eliminated from seving in a public office.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 3 months ago

Kansans are proff of evolution, and Kansans are not quite evolved yet. Kansans seem to be more like a lesser primate with their thought patterns, and actions. I guess you could include that retard Palin, and her retard kid. Proof being a retard is genetic, and Palin passed those genes onto her kid. Why would you want a president that can not keep her house hold in good order? How old was her daughter when she got pregnant? If she cannot run her house how can she run a country?

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Fallingwhilereading, once again I communicate poorly....I should say the media gives Obama a pass. For example, VP on the right gets murdered for misspelling potato, Obama says he has been to all 57 states, media says he was tired. Obama says he sees fallen soldiers at a Memorial Day service..totally in appropriate, gets away with it. Obama raises the debit limit out of this world gets a pass, Bush raised the debit almost half of Obama, its his fault. Fairness, that's all I ask.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 3 months ago

You said miss speaking, and defended Bush in the same post? Nucear just one example. Both parties are ruining this country. Anyone who belongs to a party either side should never be allowed to vote, or serve in public office. It doesn't matter anyway The supreme idiots have decide big buisness, and unions should be the one to elect our public officials. It doesn't really matter what any of us think, or would like to see in office. The consitution should know say we the buisness and the unions, and take people out of We the people.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"You can not be seriously thinking Palin has done anything good for her family, her state..."

Got no problem with your take up to this point, Big, but I haven't gone back to review lee's comments, so I won't get involved with that. However, and I am far from a Palin 'fan', don't inject hyperbole to smear the woman. Good for her family? Good for her state? Mother of five, married once, built herself into the Governor of the state of Alaska where she held an approval rating of 80+ up till she entered the race.
The woman's politics might be objectionable to you, maybe her religious positions as well, but other than having a teenager that acted like a teenager it looks like she's built a fantastic family. Her record in Alaska was pretty solid too, at least up until she quit, which was not a laudable manuever to be sure. Nevertheless, I'm with you if your criticism is borne from her 'rise' in the political arena - she clearly is not smart enough for loftier positions - but let's be rational with the criticism.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Nothin', porch? Simple question. Too tough? Rhetorical, bro, don't hurt yourself.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

It's a simple question, either you can answer or you can't. I haven't denied anything. Just answer the question. This garfinkeling thing? Is that like someone asking a simple and justified question only to receive multiple, repetitious, non-responsive responses?

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

There you go again......whole bunch of ????

Answer the question, porch? You've now re-posted the quotes. They're now in print three times on one thread; those lines are well documented, thank you. Now............

... for the sixth (?...losing count) time: explain how I was "wrong". Cornered, huh?

Or you can simply run away. My bet is that you run away at this point. Even you won't post again, at least not tonight, just to avoid the question for the seventh time. Would you do that?

You're a very, very sad individual, porch. No point wasting any more time with you this evening. 'Night. Don't forget your 'passy.

kimmydarling 5 years, 3 months ago

I have never found myself as one of those people who would lightly toss "if this person became commander in chief of my nation, I would consider leaving it.." until now, actually.

Sarah Palin terrifies me. Her overt misogyny and homophobia are anathema to everything people have worked for in America. As a woman I cannot stomach the thought of someone so gleeful about the opportunity to legislate her religious morality on others.

Yeah, George W was a bit off for me and was I glad when he was gone? Yes. But this woman? This woman horrifies me at the thought of her having the ability to be a driving force in legislative politics.

But hey, at least she got all those nice people who hate Obama because he had the audacity to be born brown all hot and bothered

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Kimmy can you name one person that hates Obama because he is brown? You are the first one to play the race card as far as I know. Everyone else is talking about decisions and policies.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Now back to Palin...she will be a big part of the tea party stuff but she will not be a candidate for president. If she is she won't go far. Too much baggage and there is too much hate in the world from the left to allow her to get going. Even women's groups are turning their back on her.

kimmydarling 5 years, 3 months ago

Can you honestly tell me that you don't feel a large reason why so many people in rural, predominantly white areas dislike the man isn't even marginally due to his mixed ethnicity and skin color? because if you do, you're lying to yourself.

It's the same reason people toted out the "half breed muslin [sic]" signs. He's brown and he has a funny name, that MUST mean he's out to get america. It's the same reason the people on Fox News like to discuss the Osama/Obama rhyme or talk about how he's a secret muslim sympathizer/stalinist/volcano dwelling overlord.

Palin should have been laughed right off the world stage and back into her tiny Alaska town before ever being a vice-presidential candidate. I mean, really..I can see the moon from my back yard, does that mean I'm qualified to be an astronaut?

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Kimmy I was referring to this discussion, this forum, not anonymous nut jobs scattered everywhere. We have no control over that. You were the first to bring race into this discussion, that is what I was referring to.

Your comments about Palin are true and correct. Just because she can see Russia does not mean she is an expert on world affairs. Just as Obama said he would hold conditional, unconditional talks with the leaders of Iran. And who can forget when in Israel he says, Israel is a friend of Israel. They are both pretty stupid comments. But, again, nobody said Obama was strong in world affairs when they voted for him. Lets be fair and use the same yard stick to measure the worth of a person. Then we can get the right people in Washington.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

I think it is just a bit disingenuous for Palin to mock hope and change the way she did given the wholesale GOP obstructionism from day one of Obama's term. It's equivalent to setting a fire then standing around pointing at the fire complaining about all the damage it did.

It's true that the Dems were handed a supermajority and mandate by the voters in 2008 and I believe their biggest failure was pursuing a naive belief that the GOP might work together to solve America's crises. If the Dems hadn't done so, they would likely be painted by the GOP as "ramming" their agenda through - the GOP did that, anyway.

While the public sentiment is "out the rascals", the real question is what would be the result of doing so? If the people want change, how would anything in DC change as a result? If the GOP were to take control, the gridlock would probably increase or there would be a return to the GOP formula that got America in the predicament we were in until this time last year. I would like to see some of the current batch of Dems replaced with new blood.

The change sentiment is still strong in the electorate, they just have little faith that the current composition of our elected representatives can really deliver. And the polls consistently show that they have a solid understanding that the GOP is primarily responsible for the lack of results.

As far as Tea Partiers, it appears that the movement is beginning their migration back to the GOP, at least in some southern and western US states where the ideals they exhibit might be acceptable. It may be tough for the GOP to swallow for the fact that they share some ideals - less taxes, smaller gov't - but they also have to risk the racist, hate-filled baggage that might come with them.

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Conservatives are not interested in Palin for president, they are interested in Palin the Puppet for president. Don't be afraid of what Palin will do, she has neither the intelligence not the fortitude to complete any of "her goals". Be afraid of her handlers though, they are evil. The repubs lesson they learned from Nixon was not to put anybody with intelligence as the president, just look at Reagan and Bush, both dumber than rocks, but their handlers were evil incarnate and we are paying for their deal with the devil.

Why is intelligence (buzz word "elitist") suddenly a bad thing in politics? Answer; because corporations don't want intellegence to get in their way. They have had great success pushing thier agenda when they managed to get idiots elected as president (bush, reagan).

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Agno:

I'll be the first to admit I was 'intrigued' when she first hit the national stage. Unfortunately, I took it on faith that McCain's camp had vetted her thoroughly; I mean, who woulda thunk a presidential campaign could blow such an important selection that badly? The bloom was off the rose in short order and I know I'd be a lot happier if your proposed scenario had transpired and I still didn't know who the heck she was.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

I agree, georgiahawk, although I typically refrain from total and complete vilification. Think of Palin as the salesperson. The true power brokers would be the team behind the scenes, but that's almost always the case to a greater or lesser degree. The fact is, despite the Pres being the "decider", it is practically impossible for the Pres to know everything there is to know and it is much more important for them to surround themselves with experts in key areas for good advice.

As far as a disassociation with intelligence as a trait to be admired rather than ridiculed, my guess is that it is a result of the view of some that "others" that they believe "think" they know better are trying to push what's best for them and they view that as condescending, especially when they have a devil on their shoulder screaming lies and deceptions in their ear. They know that things are dire - they deal with the consequence daily. When they feel fear, it is often accompanied by trepidation, which can lead to a desire for the security that might come from not changing the current set of circumstances or to return to a past set of circumstances they might have felt were more familiar and manageable. With change can come a sense of loss of control; the challenge that comes with managing several things in motion simultaneously.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Go ahead, just keep knocking the Tea Partiers and Palin."

It is absolutely correct to call out the Tea Party by way of Tancredo, et al for some of the statements made at their convention. The racist and intolerant views he espoused were not countered, but embraced by the organizers of the event and praised with raucous cheers of the audience when they were delivered. It is as if they support the Constitution, but only the parts that promote their views and it is important to highlight that discrepancy. That's where the GOP has a tough choice on their hands in harnessing their shared beliefs while also at least appearing to ignore their destructive views.

There is no way a majority of voters could support them as a whole without ignoring the positions that erase decades of struggle.

Palin has displayed her ability to snark with the best of them but hasn't demonstrated any ability to change anything for the better. It's quite easy to tear something apart, but not so easy to put something back together and even more difficult to get it to function better. She doesn't appear to possess that ability and, frankly, her track record doesn't lend a lick of credibility toward that end, either.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

Heck, I'd vote for a red-eyed, striped lizard if I believed it would solve problems over a saucy, has-been model that couldn't put a sentence together.

To each their own, but I find her about as desirable as granny chasing me around with a switch.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Agno:

Not weird at all, my father expected that to be the ticket as a matter of fact. I reckon the RNC dissuaded that tack with a swipe of the hand, which makes the Palin recruitment that much more bizaare. And as far as McCain's overall campaign - whomever was running that charade shouldn't be permitted to run a bake sale. Unbelievably pathetic and slipshod job done there, and Palin was the cherry on top.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Speaking of pathetic.........

Just gonna run away and hide, porch? Simple question still pending.......

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom, is there a chance that we can get you off point of the whole cultural war you feel you are in. I know that the most important thing for you is to feel that you are right or at least that the polls back you, but partisan BS is just that. Even though the tea party has been hijacked by the extreme conservatives and is quickly becoming fringe, the original intent of anti Dem, anti Repub, anti big gov was surely an indication that even the ignorant are tired of the partisan bickering. Don't you think that there is a possibility that there is a bipartisan solution to some problem somewhere?

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Still waiting for YOU to answer the question, porch. Perpetually posting the garfinkeling nonsense (which is Step 7 in your personal Playbook, pot calling kettle) and repeatedly posting quotes that don't prove your assertion while refusing to answer a simple and justified question......why, that's 'garfinkeling' behavior, now isn't it?

8th request for answer to the question: how was I 'wrong'?.
Here, maybe this will help: pretend it's last year and you're still in junior high. Your teacher gives you the three quotes that you keep referencing and asks you to sum up what they mean, and in your own words explain how the one was "wrong". Grasping the concept now?

.

bd 5 years, 3 months ago

Your two party system days are numbered! The silent majority will rise up and be heard!

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Jay, no offense but this is getting to be a bit childish. You have made your point, porch made his point, now let it rest! Geeeeez!

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"porch made his point,"

That's just it, georgia, he hasn't made any point whatsoever. No doubt it's silly, georgia, but you have to understand porch and prior history. This won't ever be "over"; he'll bring it up on some other thread ad nauseum, just like this garbage. And this could have ended (should never have started 'cuz it's pure cow patty) immediately if he'd just answer the question. Problem is that he can't 'cuz he's wrong and he knows it. Ten gets you twenty if he returns to this string it'll be another repetition. I do apologize for the annoyance, but I'm not lettin' him get away with this foolishness anymore.

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

Palinisms:

"We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?" --Sarah Palin, suggesting we are at war with Iran, FOX News interview, Nov. 1, 2008

"I'm very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing ... any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that." --Sarah Palin, after an Alaska legislative report found she had broken the state's ethics law and abused her power in the Troopergate scandal, conference call with Alaska reporters, Oct. 12, 2008

"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

"Oil and coal? Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." --Sarah Palin, billed by John McCain as the nation's foremost expert on energy, clumsily answering a question while speaking off the cuff at a town hall meeting, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Sept. 17, 2008


She's absolutely ready to lead our country.......NOT!

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

georgia,

See what I mean? You owe me ten bucks. :)

porch,

How is it that "in your own words" is too difficult a concept for you to grasp? You've posted that same thing now three times. Do you really think now it miraculously answers the question when it hasn't before? What exactly is wrong with you, other than being deeply, deeply disturbed?

tolawdjk 5 years, 3 months ago

If the message that tancredo is preaching couldn't get him elected under the large Republican banner, what makes you think that same message could get anyone elected under a smaller fringe banner?

For all the rah rah behind the movement, that is all it is, movement. A revolution needs a leader, a point man, a face to rally the masses. So far, all that has come forward is Palin, and she is certifiably unelectable. Huckabee...too Christian, Romney...not Christian enough. Newt...maybe, but he's being damn smart and staying out of the limelight.

The party has 50 Lieutenants and no Generals, and I'm sorry, but in this era of the early jump into campaign season, there at least needs to be a couple Majors running around showing some ambition.

The true roots of the tea party...the grass roots...will rally to an effective leader. Not these yahoos that put on a "for-profit convention". A leader that isn't afraid to tell his party's "management" "no" when it makes sense. A leader that recognizes collaberation is not the dirty word that compromise is and can be an effective and useful tool. The tea party needs and wants a leader that leads for the betterment of the nation and not for the betterment of any party.

It is We the People, not We the Party. "We" needs to focus on that when thinking if a third party is needed.

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"it's impossible for you to deny that Fox News was instigating the Tea Bagger protests"

Aah! Gettin' closer, porch. Problem is (and has always been) I never did any such thing. I never said Fox News wasn't instigating ANY protests, I just said they weren't involved with ALL of them.

Now, you posting quotes is not the same thing as answering the question: how was I wrong? It's just that simple. Don't re-post the same drivel, don't re-post the old quotes, right here right now type a response to this queston: how was I wrong?

But you won't do that will ya? You're a coward and a liar, porch, and the most mentally challenged person we've ever had on this site short of invictus.

Mandie Eutsler 5 years, 3 months ago

It's so much fun to read all of your posts. It's all of the uninformed and/or misinformed pissing each other off. Great stuff!

bd 5 years, 3 months ago

GEEZ, now if know why my old grampa used to say, those who say the most, knows the least.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

bd (Anonymous) says…

"Your two party system days are numbered!"

Now that's funny! You didn't get the memo - it already is a one party system (Dems) since the GOP is in such disarray that no one is sure that a "party" even exists anymore. Only 20% are willing to identify as a Rep. Televise it or not? Make Medicare disappear or not? Consistently lie about practically everything and just keep repeating it in the face of the facts. Geez! No wonder a pit bull with lipstick is their "saving grace", they've got nothing else left.

And a mad hatter tea party movement. They don't want anything to do with government, yet they are trying to be part of it? How's that supposed to work? Rail against the government (and, BTW, I feel that they have good reason to complain regarding some things, but the racist schtick is reprehensible) and then actually become part of it. They would find out real quick the harsh realities involved.

"The silent majority will rise up and be heard!"

These folks have been anything but silent and they are worlds away from majority. Sore losers stuck in the 1850's is a much more accurate description. I mean, the Timbuktu little league tiddly winks team can say they are as good as the Jayhawks men's basketball team and score more points than the Jayhawks and claim that they deserve not only to be in NCAA Div I but be declared the champions every year for the next decade, but do you think anyone except themselves would take them seriously? If they happen to bust a move, the Jayhawks might take note and steal their move or if they have a star player, well, they might end up moving to Lawrence. Outside of that...

georgiahawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Yes Tom, the Obama administration is emphasizing numbers that make the employment picture look better than what your vast knowledge says it should. Yawn! Yes Tom, the repub's never did such a thing, the truth was always their vanguard. Yawn!

Next, please!

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

barry; Seriously, I do see Russia right now!

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

barrypenders (Anonymous) says…

"If they had Palin to lead their charge America would be saved."

Whoa, pardner! Except for your "anal"ysis, you were sounding rather sane. Palin would need a first-class brain replacement like McCain did going into the 2008 elections (kind of like lil McCain got from lil Bush's friends, just the opposite). The bad news with that sort of procedure is, while she might muster up a rah rah for the right team, there wouldn't be much else she could contribute. At least it might stop the screeching that keeps coming from her face when she opens her mouth.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

barrypenders (Anonymous) says…

"I lived in Burlington Washington for 18 years"

Beautiful country. I loved seeing the tulip fields in spring on trips to Vancouver.

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

barry, but she could see it from her house! Check out a map of Wasilla Alaska: http://tinyurl.com/WasillaAlaska

Please let me know how she could see Alaska through that huge mountain range. I'm curious.

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

Sarah Palin said: "Well, it certainly does because our -- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia ... We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state."

--Sarah Palin, asked by Katie Couric how Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, CBS News interview, Sept. 24, 2008

Mandie Eutsler 5 years, 3 months ago

LOL ferris, that's funny stuff....

oh wait, that's not a joke...

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

sundance: I know, and that's what's scary. Can you imagine her leading our nation? I know several people that supported McCain until he made the fateful decision to have Palin be his running-mate. She may rile up her base, but no one else. She's a caricature, nothing more.

But if I ever need a good laugh during a tough day, why go to the SNL skit. Just read or view what she really did say. It's priceless.

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom, she had to read notes scribbled on her hand! She is getting paid big bucks to give her talk, and she is treating it like it is junior high speach contest. Seriously, why are you defending her?

barry, who is this poser you keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about? You must have some kind of record for being such a broken record.

bd: “The silent majority will rise up and be heard!”

Don't you mean they will be seen?

(By the way, these are all rhetorical questions. No need to respond, since we know what the responses will be.)

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Did Sarah say she would conduct conditional unconditional talks with the leaders of Iran?

Did Sarah say “Thank you, Sioux City. ... I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.” when she was in South Dakota?

Did Sarah say “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

Did she say regarding translators “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

Did she say "Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”

Nope... she is too smart for that.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Porch, the difference is we got stuck with Obama as president....

Palin is just a public speaker.

Did Obama ever have a regular 40 hour week job before now?

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 3 months ago

So when you realize what a fool you were to fall for the Palin hype what do you do?

Step up those attacks on Obama and try to salvage some of your respectability?

That is the problem with politics. There just isn't much respectability to begin with.

When the next truly qualified guy steps up to the plate, will we even recognize him? or her? I doubt it.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawklawrence: When the next truly qualified guy steps up to the plate, will we even recognize him? or her? I doubt it.

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I agree. This is a nation that elected a pro wrestler .... governor.

A comic/comic writer ...... senator

Action adventure actor ..... governor

Obama...president

temperance 5 years, 3 months ago

Most Americans realize Palin is unqualified to lead the country. WaPo poll from today: "fifty-five percent of Americans have unfavorable views of her [Palin], while the percentage holding favorable views has dipped to 37, a new low in Post-ABC polling"; that "there is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey"; that "even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House"; and even that "Palin has lost ground among conservative Republicans," as "forty-five percent of conservatives now consider her as qualified for the presidency, down sharply from 66 percent who said so last fall."

temperance 5 years, 3 months ago

leedavid -- But I bet you voted for Reagan, star of "Bedtime for Bonzo" and other masterpieces. If you want to have a discussion about unqualified hacks running for high office, we can start with Ronnie.

bd 5 years, 3 months ago

Obama (sorry with what he has done I can't laugh anymore! )

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom: If you have a problem with me or other quoting word for workd what Palin herself has said in the past, then maybe you should take a real look at why you like her as a potential candidate for the President of the U.S.. I mean really, you have to either take her or leave her, and you're picking and choosing what you want to hear. The left isn't afraid of Palin; they're hoping that it just continues, because that would only be good for them.

leedavid and others who dog on Obama's work experience, here's a list of Palin's "work" experience:

1984: She won the Miss Wasilla pageant 1986: Sportscaster for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage, and as a sports reporter for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman 1992: Wasilla city council 1996: Mayor of Wasilla 2003: Appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission 2006: Governor of Alaska

So if being in beauty pageants, being a sportscaster, and a politician is what you call experience to run this wonderful country, then what do you say of Obama's actual real world experience that porch_person noted in their 9:20am post?

Obama has definitely made several mistakes since he took over the presidency in my opinion, especially on spending, but to compare Palin with Obama is a real joke.

Again, if the GOP was smart, they'd find someone that can fire up their base with their charisma, while also having experience and intelligence.

If the Tea Party was smart, they'd join with the Libertarian party, because they are very similar in their beliefs.

ferrislives 5 years, 3 months ago

Sorry Agnostic, I guess I should have said "wannabe" Libertarians. I think that there are some in that "movement" that truly have matching issues with Libertarians. But most of them are GOP'ers who are trying to hide under a white sheet claiming to be something different. Oohhh, did I say white sheet?

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Porch did you just say consulting, community organizing, and teaching college courses is a 40 hour a week job....

Now that is funny.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

You thinking those jobs qualify anyone as President of the United States is what is funny there porch. Happy hour at Free State must have run long tonight.

Having taught at the University of South Carolina for two years I got to call BS on your 40 hours a week. Sorry its not eight to five. If it was they would not do it for that pay. So I will see your BS and raise you two BS's.

Lay off the personal attacks and just stick to opinion. Your much more appealing that way. This is a opinion forum. Otherwise your moron side comes out.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Someone with years experience in government. Governors make the best choice, but not always. Someone with business experience is preferred. Knowledge of world affairs is a must. The ability to lead others and build teams is an absolute must.

No candiate on November 4th was qualified. I never question Obama with the notion that McCain was better. I simply say Obama is horrible, and he is. Clinton was better, Carter was worse.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Porch: I like you, I really do. You are smarter than me. So what? I have masters degress in two fields, and three undergraduate degrees. I retired AF in 1992 and taught at the University of South Carolina for two years as an adjunct professor. I also taught for St. Leo University out of Florida. I have told you before I am dyslexic. I don't spell worth a hoot and I don't know where commas go, and I don't care either. If you want to get wrapped up in that stuff good for you.

Your love for Obama has become a sickness. It causes you to call people names, attack without cause or relevance to the opinion stated. It is so unprofessional of you because when you just state your point of view, you appear articulate and at times brilliant. That is not enough for you, however. You are compelled to act like an (fill in blank) and it belittles who you are. Please knock it off.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

Porch:

So I make our nation look stupid by commenting in the Lawrence Journal World forum.

You and I are done.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

It certainly will be, Tom. Not sure where you get your news, but the media is not purely focusing their attention on retiring R's. From the outlets I have monitored, they've been covering all of them with a minor increase in focus on some of the bellweather districts and those in play. Naturally, those are the ones that could decide the makeup of the next Congress.

Calling out the lies of the GOP has only just begun. I'll let you figure out for yourself the major player behind the scenes that is primarily responsible for this. Reps know and they are scrambling for a plan to counter it. It is timed precisely to culminate in the period of the cycle where most voters will probably remember before casting their vote and in such a way that it the GOP will have to come up with something very new to even hope to counter it.

I really enjoyed the call you put out to conservatives last night to bookmark comments. Seems to me you did that in the fall '08. So, how'd that work out for ya? Also, you declared that you would not allow any of your family / relatives to use your vacation spot if they voted for Obama. Proof that the GOP eats it's own. If you want to behave like a child, well, you sure can. But I would say that kind of behavior is pretty juvenile. Just sayin'.

You also claimed that a disaster would quickly ensue after the '08 elections. Well, though the situation has a very long way to go, there are some early indications that things are starting to improve. So much for your ability to predict, Tom aka Nostradamus.

leedavid 5 years, 3 months ago

A Flock.....

"You also claimed that a disaster would quickly ensue after the '08 elections. Well, though the situation has a very long way to go, there are some early indications that things are starting to improve. So much for your ability to predict, Tom aka Nostradamus. "

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Things are looking up. Health care bill still a disaster. Reid looks like an idiot on the jobs bill. Kennedy callis it quits....Obama's job approval ratings remain on the decline. Yep I would say things are looking up.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 3 months ago

leedavid (Anonymous) says… "Things are looking up. Health care bill still a disaster. Reid looks like an idiot on the jobs bill. Kennedy callis it quits….Obama's job approval ratings remain on the decline."

The link you provide says the opposite. The old up is down, night is day thing again from you. More Americans would vote for Obama if the election were today than anyone else. One gets the sense that the cat is outta the bag on the GOP liars in the public's eye. Glad you at least acknowledge that things are looking up.

If one were to compare predictions, I could skate out of the final exam and you and Tom would have to see the teacher after class.

meggers 5 years, 3 months ago

Kennedy "calls it quits", leedavid???

The man DIED. I'm pretty sure he didn't decide to "call it quits" over anything Obama did. WTF is wrong with you?

meggers 5 years, 3 months ago

Thanks, Tom. That occurred to me after I posted. I don't think P. Kennedy's decision is an indictment of Obama, either, however I'm glad that's what leedavid meant.

No hysteria here, but thanks for your concern. I can almost bet that if you have the misfortune of stumbling upon a 'tea party', you will no longer confuse a dissenting opinion with a paranoid, hysterical, full-blown nut job.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 3 months ago

I have voted mostly Republican since the early 70's. After listening to Tom (on this blog) and Sarah Palin, it will be very tough to to do that again. They have convinced me that the Republicans are nuts.

The problem I have is with the Democrats. It is like going to a car lot and wanting to buy a car, but the salesman keeps talking you out of it by being such an idiot. So you just go home and keep driving the old one.

I just hope by the time the next elections roll around, there is a car that I can feel comfortable buying. I think most Americans are just trying to hold on and hold out for better days.

verity 5 years, 3 months ago

And the cost of health insurance for people paying for their own insurance rises dramatically as more people become unemployed and lose their employer's group insurance---which causes the insurance companies to have fewer people buying policies, which then causes them to again raise their rates and so the cycle goes on.

And we rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

verity 5 years, 3 months ago

Do any of you really take Ms. Palin seriously?

Show of hands, please.

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

Tom, that is because from your far-right stance, virtually everybody is to the left.

rbwaa 5 years, 3 months ago

another one of those pointless threads --- not as entertaining as marion's.................

LoveThsLife 5 years, 3 months ago

"The problem I have is with the Democrats. It is like going to a car lot and wanting to buy a car, but the salesman keeps talking you out of it by being such an idiot. So you just go home and keep driving the old one.

I just hope by the time the next elections roll around, there is a car that I can feel comfortable buying. I think most Americans are just trying to hold on and hold out for better days."

jayhawklawrence...you nailed it...however, I feel that way about most politicians regardless of party.

And Sarah Palin is what is wrong with the Republican Party...she is c r a z y.

I don't know what is crazier either... her comments on Russia or her randomly quiting the Governorship of Alaska. I'll be honest I didn't like her much when she was running with McCain, but I really didn't like her when she decided to quit governing Alaska. I thought that was a total joke, good leaders don't walk away from their responsibilities.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 3 months ago

The front page of the New York Times pictures a woman manning a Tea Party recruiting stand in, of all places, Sand Point, Idaho!

For those of you in west lawrence, Sand Point, Idaho is where the headquarters of the Aryan Nation is located! This is where detective Mark Fuhrman moved to, after retiring from the LAPD. You remember, the glove planting, never used the N word scandal back in the 90's.

I guess my,meant to be humorous, nudge about Sarah=Britney Spears meets the Aryan Nation, were not so far off the scale after all!!.

Tea Party->Aryan Nation->Sand Point, Idaho->Sarah P.

It is all coming together quite clearly.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 3 months ago

It's too bad northern Idaho has the Aryan Nation there. It is gorgeous country out there, with lot's to do if you are into the outdoors.

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