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Militants floating bombs toward Israel

February 3, 2010

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— Palestinian militants said Tuesday they had launched a large number of floating explosives into the Mediterranean Sea to avenge the death of a top Hamas commander, a day after two bomb-laden barrels washed up on Israel’s coastline.

Israeli authorities launched an intensive search for new bombs, closing miles of beaches, deploying robotic bomb squads and ordering surfers out of the wintry waters.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"Kill anything! Kill anyone!"

Yep, Israeli policy towards Palestinians is really "swell."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

You're right, consumer1, I am a twit. I'm such a twit that I completely forget about the Palestinians invading Israel a little over a year ago, destroying pretty much everything, and killing 1400 people, mostly civilians.

Err, wait a minute. In my twit-brain, I sometimes get confused. Wasn't it Israel who did that to Palestinians?

Oh silly, twitty, me, I just can't seem to keep these things straight.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Our bozo, defending the indefensible since 2005.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

A twit and a jackass, but that's not news. Israel kills an enemy commander, Palestinians float barrels of bombs hoping to kill anyone. Israel wishes to live peacefully, Palestinians wish to wipe Israel off the planet.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"Israel wishes to live peacefully, Palestinians wish to wipe Israel off the planet."

Really? So you can explain why Israel recently killed 1400 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and destroyed huge amounts of civilian infrastructure in the process? When did Palestinians ever do anything even remotely comparable? And which side has seized major swaths of the other's territory, and continues to do so?

Violence from both sides is unacceptable. But in determining US policy, this "debate" has been too long dominated by intellectual giants like jaywalker, who would be nothing without their double standards.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"Really? So you can explain why Israel recently killed 1400 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and destroyed huge amounts of civilian infrastructure in the process? "

Gee, that's a toughie. Retaliation? Even so you find it sufficient to break it all down to one incident, like that proves Israel doesn't wish for peace? Moronic as ever, bozo.

"But in determining US policy, this “debate” has been too long dominated by intellectual giants like jaywalker, who would be nothing without their double standards."

I'll bet you really think you said something there.

And 'Violence from both sides is unacceptable"? Violence could be non-existent. The Palestinians won't allow that to happen.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

You'll defend your double standards to the death, won't you, jaywalker?

lindseydoyle 5 years, 7 months ago

"large number of floating explosives into the Mediterranean Sea ." Huh? How is this attacking Israel? And why is this reported when we never hear a word about Israel's atrocities towards the Palestinians or Lebanese?

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

Feel free to point one out or continue down your normal path of accusation without evidence.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 7 months ago

Actually Bozo is right, to an extent Israeli policy towards the Palestinians is pretty bad. They claim they want peace, but their actions speak otherwise. My brother actually visited Israel as well as parts of Palestine when he was studying in Egypt and was in shock to what he saw. Israel is actually breaking international treaties by developing Palestinian lands. In addition, Israel has Palestine walled off and guarded...making it hard for Palestinians to get medical supplies and other needed things especially when they are under economic sanctions. Also, when they (Israel) impose economic sanctions they are basically cutting off water and electricity..you can't tell me that anyone who is treated like that isn't going to retaliate.

Both sides share equal blame for their problems..neither side will budge an inch...both are way too prideful.

We don't really get to see the real picture here in America. I think we get one side of the story (which is Israel's).

Wasn't it Truman that was against giving Israel to the Jews? I think his issue was the oppressed will become the oppressors...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

Evidence abounds, jaywalker, but you're congenitally incapable of acknowledging it.

1029 5 years, 7 months ago

Obviously, the world would be better off without Israel, but throwing stuff in the ocean just isn't cool.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

Nada, eh bozo? Shocker.

Lovethislife,

While some of what you posit is true, you also have a 'chicken and the egg' contradiction goin' on. There's no doubt Israel must stop developing areas that were agreed upon in past settlements. But the Israeli's aren't imposing sanctions just for kicks and Palestinian aggression is not limited to simple retaliation. There's one side that won't be happy without the other's annihilation and that's why peace will probably never be achieved.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"There's one side that won't be happy without the other's annihilation and that's why peace will probably never be achieved."

There is a sizable minority of Palestinians who hold that belief, and they are responsible for most of the violence against Israelis, carried out by a relative handful of poorly trained and armed militants.

However, there is a similarly sized minority of Israelis who have almost the identical belief towards Palestinians. The difference is that they exert inordinate control over the hugely destructive capacity of the Israeli military (largely paid for with US tax dollars.)

The difference that makes in the quality of life for Palestinians versus the quality of life for Israelis is starkly dramatic.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 7 months ago

You are totally right jaywalker. Neither side wants to budge on the issue, and both sides want to kill and torture each other.

Israel isn't imposing sanctions just for kicks, but in my opinion..(and this is totally my opinion) I think their sanctions often hurt them more them help them. They just add more fuel to the fire which makes normal Palestinians desperate and more willing to help and support extremists. It's an endless cycle.

You are right, peace probably won't be achieved there...both sides are way too prideful to ever admit that their opponent has valid concerns. They hate each other way too much.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"Gee, that's a toughie. Retaliation?"

Inadvertently, jaywalker defends bozo's point.

Jock Navels 5 years, 7 months ago

i'm with bozo on this...back in the 1920s Churchill and the english govt made a huge mistake when they supported zionism and the creation of a jewish state in palestine. their 'boots on the ground' such as t e lawrence and gertrude bell said it was a serious mistake.... and has it ever been. the palestinians were robbed of their homes by a neo fascist theocracy. they fight to get their land back. they fight with the army they have. what would you do?

lindseydoyle 5 years, 7 months ago

75X55 "Must get awfully thirsty drinking such heavily sugared kool-aid" The kool-aid is being served by the mainstream media. They will not inform us about Israel's war crimes and atrocities.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"It's an endless cycle."

Was gettin' ready to respond with the same line you finished with, Lovethislife. It's incredibly sad. Even if they could find a way to share the holy sites I doubt the radical elements on either side would let the whole thing rest. And even if the most extreme elements on the Palestinian side agreed to a peace, I doubt people like Iwannajihad or groups like Hezbollah would leave the area alone.

"Inadvertently, jaywalker defends bozo's point"

Only to a simpleton.

"Oh, c'mon, jaywalker, you've said some pretty indefensible things here. Don't come on like you're precious"

Never said I was "precious". Just want proof of the accusation. Btw, it's about 'double standards', moron, not your twisted version of what's "indefensible". But be a good little doggie and post the Playbook, porchie. Good boy! You know ya wanna!

LoveThsLife 5 years, 7 months ago

"Even if they could find a way to share the holy sites I doubt the radical elements on either side would let the whole thing rest."

Totally agreed. The whole situation is a mess.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 7 months ago

As from 1940, the British land regulations officially forbade or severely limited land purchases by the Jewish Agency. In fact, however, the British could limit only the registration of land, and the Jewish agency continued to purchase land. In 1940, the Jewish Agency had purchased about 22,000 dunam. In 1941, despite the land regulations, it still purchased over 14,000 dunams, and during each of the subsequent war years it purchased 8-18,000 dunam (Stein, Land Question, Appendix 2 p 226).

From the point of view of the Arabs, all these lands "belonged" to Arabs, since all of the land of Palestine "belonged" to the Arabs, inasmuch as they considered themselves the rightful owners. It is a circular definition of ownership and not very meaningful. The Arabs of Palestine had never exercised sovereignty and did not own most of the land by private purchase. It was government land that had belonged to the Ottoman empire and before that to the various Turkish and Arab empires. If there had been "actual" owners in history, they were probably Jews of 2,000 or more years ago.

lindseydoyle 5 years, 7 months ago

"If there had been “actual” owners in history, they were probably Jews of 2,000 or more years ago. " The "Jews" of today are in no way related to the Hebrews of 2,000 years ago. They are descended from Khazars who converted to the Talmud in the 8th century.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 7 months ago

I learn something new every day! Thanks lindseydoyle. I view the arguement through the facts of history. #1 a Jewish homeland was established. International law agrees. Just as the state of Kansas was established. Whoever lived on the land prior to or claims to have owned the land prior to current occupants is no arguement, Espacially if one cannot produce title to the land according to the current laws of the land. Not the tribal laws of some ancient Ottoman Empire. National governments have come to an agreement on international borders. That is why the U.S. can bomb the hell out of any country it chooses that trys to blow up an airplane on Christmas day. One failed diaper bomb enables the US to deal out continous massive destruction to other peoples homelands. History has not changed this fact. Just ask all those who tried to prevent U.S. expansion policies. That is ask those who survived. What I am trying to get accross is the arguement that Israel has a natural right, established by international law, to defend its borders and people however Israel sees fit to do so. And if the Gaza strip does not like the Israeli response then they should quit poking the bear.

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