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Family of soldiers imprisoned at Fort Leavenworth plan rally

August 24, 2010

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— Family members of soldiers who are imprisoned at Fort Leavenworth for killings during the Iraq war plan are planning a rally in Leavenworth.

The relatives call the inmates the Leavenworth 10, although two have been released from the prison.

Scott Behenna, one of the organizers of the Labor Day weekend rally, says the group is not anti-military. Instead, he says, members are trying to raise awareness about the soldiers. He says all the prisoners — including his son — killed because they believed they were defending themselves or other members of the military.

The Leavenworth Times reports that the Leavenworth 10 Freedom Ride is scheduled Sept. 4. Riders will travel through Leavenworth and have a program at a city park.

Retired Army Lt. Col. Allen West, who is running for Congress in Florida, will attend the event.

Comments

kernal 4 years, 4 months ago

When I read the headline, I thought one family had multiple soldiers incarcerated at Ft. Leavenworth.

Jimo 4 years, 4 months ago

So ... the U.S. military, which is already notorious for failing to convict U.S. servicemen even when charges are brought, managed to wrongfully convict these few fellows for clear cut, indisputable criminal acts because THEY "believed they were defending themselves." Clearly, a jury and court comprised of their fellow servicemen disagreed - executing captive prisoners contrary to military rules, hiding their bodies, lying about it and attempting to smear the honor of those who did tell the truth still will manage to bring some punishment.

One of the hardest lines any military has to draw is when the free-fire point of combat ends. Failing to punish those who make themselves into the proverbial 'judge, jury and executioner' makes military discipline impossible to maintain.

I am very sorry for their families who must suffer alongside them. But frankly, these criminals are lucky they're imprisoned here instead of having been turned over to the Iraqi government for justice.

KcSlumper 4 years, 4 months ago

Jimo, Is that what happened in this case?

Practicality 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't know about all of these cases, but, at least in some, the defendant participated (or attempted to participate) in covering up or planting evidence to suggest something different occured than what really happened. Ground wars in civilan populations often lead to difficult choices facing the military.

Practicality 4 years, 4 months ago

I also have read that in other cases the soldier claimed he was ordered to eliminate or kill the victim(s), Then after the case, the officer or superior denied the order was given. Kinda complicated in some instances.

Shardwurm 4 years, 4 months ago

Every soldier is taught what a legal order is. Murder isn't one of them.

"I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremburg and I hope it doesn't work here.

That being said, these young men and women are under tremendous strain in combat. More than you can ever imagine if you've never been there. People snap. They get angry. They kill innocent people. But that is no excuse for murder.

There likely have been many more cases such as this that have not been revealed. Even 'The Greatest Generation' of Americans committed such crimes during WWII and most were never prosecuted.

Let me ask this: If US soldiers liberating a concentration camp in Germany were so incensed with what they saw that they executed unarmed German prisoners (who had been guards at the camp) would that surprise you? Would they be justified?

It happened and they were never prosecuted.

Practicality 4 years, 4 months ago

I did not mean to give the impression that these soldiers were innocent of the charges nor condoning there actions. I was just summarizing the very few articles that I had read.

I realize that combat is situational, and that what might be murder in one instance could very well get someone a medal in a similar stiuation.

I also know a great deal about WWII and realize that what you said took place quite frequently by all sides.

puddleglum 4 years, 4 months ago

I was hoping to go up to leavenworth and watch a rallye race, but I guess i'll watch this rally instead.

bondmen 4 years, 4 months ago

Sadly there are injustices in the military system of justice and some Americans who put their lives on the line for US have received a vary bad deal from Uncle Sam's lawyers.

Stand up and help those who've been wrongly charged and incarcerated by riding with US:

http://www.l10freedomride.com/index.html

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 4 months ago

"Retired Army Lt. Col. Allen West, who is running for Congress in Florida, will attend the event."

This guy's a real piece of work--

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

Well as long as you got it from Wikipedia. No credibility problem whatsoever.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 4 months ago

If you doubt what's at the link, feel free to verify or debunk it as you see fit-- the same as you would/should do with any other source.

KEITHMILES05 4 years, 4 months ago

The idea soldiers are always innocent is absurd just as all police and athletes or actors. There are alot of good people but mixed in the batch is those bad ones.

Kendall Simmons 4 years, 4 months ago

It's amazing the rationalizations some of these Leavenworth 10 families have come up with...but I can understand wanting to protect your "baby".

But the people commenting??? My gosh. These folks think, for example, it's perfectly OK to shoot bound and blindfolded Iraqis in the back of the head...when, if Iraqis had done it to our troops, these same people would be calling for blood.

It's amazing...and sad...reading.

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