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Kobach presses issue of election fraud

Current, former secretaries of state say no problem actually exists

August 15, 2010

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— As Republican Kris Kobach campaigns for secretary of state, he’s zeroing in on one issue: stopping voter fraud.

“My campaign has been very much an issue-based campaign about the problem of voter fraud and the specific steps I will take to stop voter fraud in Kansas,” Kobach said.

“Regardless of what your political point of view is, in Kansas, whether you are Republican, Democrat or otherwise, most people want security and assurance that the election result was a valid result, that nobody stole the election and that no one got away with fraudulent votes,” Kobach said.

But in Kansas, voter fraud is almost nonexistent.

Former Secretary of State Ron Thornburgh, a Republican who held the office for 15 years before resigning in February, says voter fraud in Kansas is not a major problem.

Kobach’s Democratic opponent Chris Biggs, who is the current secretary of state, also says voter fraud is not a problem.

A report produced by the secretary of state’s office in 2008 detailed complaints of voter irregularities over a 10-year period.

But many of these were isolated instances where someone said they thought they saw something suspicious. Of these allegations, three voters in the greater Kansas City area were discovered to have voted both in Missouri and Kansas in 2004. These people pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge.

Kobach, who helped write Arizona’s immigration law that allows police to demand proof from suspects that they are in the country legally, says requiring voters to show a photo ID to vote would help stop fraud. Kobach also wants Kansans to show proof of citizenship before being allowed to register to vote.

Biggs said there is no reason to install such a system because safeguards already are in place to ensure fair elections. He said Kobach is using scare tactics to pursue a personal agenda, a claim that Kobach denies.

Comments

deathpenaltyliberal 3 years, 8 months ago

"TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… The word "fraud" implies you may not know it's happening; meant to decieve. Are the lefties in Lawrence that obtuse. Al Franken won in MN by 200 votes, likely could've been felon votes---some felons voted multiple times. "

Tom, you're better than that! Repeating lies makes you a liar, too. Wow!

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 8 months ago

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...nonissue........move on. Kobach doesn't want to be Secretary of State, but the seat is up for grabs. Seems like he wants to be a combination poll watcher and ICE agent; that he could probably succeed at.

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CLARKKENT 3 years, 8 months ago

KOBACH IS THE ELECTION FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bananajoe 3 years, 8 months ago

OH my gosh!!!! Thank you, Thank you.... Mr. Chicken Little Kobach for warning us that the sky is falling!!!! I always suspected there was something fishy when Lynn Jenkins defeated Nancy Boyda. Those Darn illegal alliens voting republican!!!!

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Smalltalk 3 years, 8 months ago

If I live in a neighborhood which has little crime and I say that I don't need any security it might be acceptable. If when I hear of criminal activity in the neighborhood I say that I don't need any security it is foolish on my part.

It is not a question of whether Kansas has a problem with vote fraud, it is recognizing ahead of time that vote fraud is possible and taking appropriate steps to further curtail it. I am sure that the people in Minnesota and Washington would have proclaimed that they had no problems with vote fraud though recent events proved that they did have problems. Requiring valid ID to both register and to vote should not be that onerous of a proposition. And further the statement that "poor" people aren't capable of handling the mental effort to register to vote or go to the polls seems quite degrading of the "poor" people and I question your showing of your prejudice.

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OzD 3 years, 8 months ago

Remind me again, why would someone who couldn't competently run a state political party office be a good candidate for Secretary of State? Competency rather than ideology would seem to be what we should want from a Secretary of State candidate, but as Libby Ensley can attest, this doesn't seem to be the case this time around.

Just imagine how much effort Kobach is going to put into the more mundane (but very important) job duties of the office that don't involve elections. Kobach is aware that he ISN'T going to be governor or attorney general if he's elected SoS, right?!?

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George Lippencott 3 years, 8 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) replies… "My question is how do you prove voter fraud if there are no mechanisms to detect it."

Of course there are mechanisms to detect it.

I was thinking a bit more globally. What if I register in Dodge and in Lawrence using my parents address in one and my appartment in the other. How do we catch that.

How do we know that your name on the book is really you and not somebody voting the dead (another recent trick of long standing)

How do we know that the original registration is valid?

I am afraid that I do not see any real mechanism for detecting such fraud in the simple act of signing a name in a book - other than to keep you from voting twice at the same poliling station.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 8 months ago

Not only should one be required to show ID in order to vote, but one should be required to pass an exam on American government and the Constitution to prove they are smart enough to make an informed decision.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 8 months ago

The only fraud here is that people stupid enough to vote for Kopach are allowed to vote.

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SDTPlant 3 years, 8 months ago

"But in Kansas, voter fraud is almost nonexistent." What better way to demonstrate your superpowers than to take on non existent issues.

Mr. Kobach, your family weren't even good car dealers. Maybe you should join the ABA or get into insurance sales. Chances are, you'll find your niche. Somewhere between B (Hirudo medicinalis) and C (Clonorchis sinensis).

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George Lippencott 3 years, 8 months ago

Not unexpectedly, we have turned this into a left-right issue.

My question is how do you prove voter fraud if there are no mechanisms to detect it. Are we limited to those cases (which have occurred in other jurisdictions lately) when the number of votes cast exceeds the number of registered voters?

Many of us have anecdotal stories of individuals commenting about casting a ballot at home and at school or in two different adjacent states. Are these fabricated by those sharing them or just very small in number? How do we know?

I must show identification to process a check or board a plane. Why can I not be asked to show identification to vote?

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ljwanonymous 3 years, 8 months ago

Is it too much to expect Kobach to simply provide proof that voter fraud is occurring? So far, none has been provided, just some wild claims here that the fact Obama was elected proves that there was voter fraud? Wish Kobach would run on some real issues, not just appealing to the radical fringe.

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wastewatcher 3 years, 8 months ago

Kobach is right on. What is wrong with having to show a legitimate form of ID, such as a drivers liscense or something similar, before one can vote. After, there are many places where you have to show an ID before you get a cool drink and you have to show an ID to board an airplane or cash a check. I support Kobach's ideas on this issue and will await replies to point out what is wrong with them.

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Centerville 3 years, 8 months ago

At least 126,000 Kansas registered voters are listed with incorrect addresses. Anything more complicated than putting on that silly Hawaiian shirt and going around the office demanding another hootenany is beyond Biggs. His opinion is not relevant.

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TrooGrit 3 years, 8 months ago

Here's the deal. Kobach is trying to prevent groups like Acorn from signing up every 'Mickey Mouse' as a registered voter! So what if it's preemptive! Why does everyone want to wait until something becomes a crisis to do something! Why not require photo I.D. and know that we are covered. Why do you have so much to fear??

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blindrabbit 3 years, 8 months ago

We've already started on the merry-go-round ride with this clown (Kobach) and he has not even elected yet. Tom, how do you bring up voter fraud in Minnesota Senate election (for the up-teenth time) with a straight face and not also talk about the 2000 Presidental election and the shenanigans in Florida and Ohio, Remember the lipstick queen, Kathleen Harris (Fla. Secy of State) screwing-up the voter outcome down there, and getting support from Jeb, hanging chads and the vain William Rehnquist's Supreme Court. (by that time Rehnquist should have excused himself for senility if for no other reason. Kathleen's kissing the Repubs. did her little good in the long run, although she did win one 2-year term in Congress. The party tossed her once they emptied her pretty head (so she thought); she's back selling orange juice in Fla.

The Ohio election was another issue, with a black Republican (U.T.) election commissioner involved with fraudulent actions that turned the popular vote outcome. For his actions; he was later rewarded by Dubya's machine.

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puddleglum 3 years, 8 months ago

oh boy, Kobach almost had my vote...please don't start being a typical fear-mongering republican, it is an immediate turn-off.

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Jimo 3 years, 8 months ago

"But in Kansas, voter fraud is almost nonexistent."

Maybe he should focus on some problem more common such as lightening striking the same spots twice.

The type of voter fraud addressed by ID's is the ultimate mismatch: high individual risk of serious punishment offset by virtual impossibility of altering election results.

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deec 3 years, 8 months ago

If he's so concerned about voter fraud and people stealing elections, why didn't he sound off about Bush? Just sayin'....

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Jason Bowers-Chaika 3 years, 8 months ago

Rigging voting districts and controlling election sites is the greater threat. Does anyone remember the hours long lines that mostly Democratic voters had to wait to vote for President Obama?

Requiring voters to show official ID to vote is another tactic designed to suppress low income (Democratic) voters.

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kansanbygrace 3 years, 8 months ago

Though there are probably a few isolated instances of someone voting who is not qualified, the far greater voter fraud occurs when election boards and secretaries of state disqualify citizens falsely. That has occurred hundreds to thousands of times in Texas, Florida, Georgia, and possibly several other places.

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staff04 3 years, 8 months ago

Voter fraud in Kansas is as real as the death panel in "Obamacare" legislation.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 8 months ago

The left and one of their crooked accomplices, ACORN, need to be watched like a hawk anymore---in every state; in every district---some more than others.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 8 months ago

Ah yes, the Senator from Kansas Al Franken.

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HedleyLamarrr 3 years, 8 months ago

What a total boob. Elect me, I'll put an end to devil worshipping puppy sacrifice and automobile rape.

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ljwanonymous 3 years, 8 months ago

The only frauds in sight are Kris Kobach, Jerry Moran and Sam Brownback.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 8 months ago

The word "fraud" implies you may not know it's happening; meant to decieve. Are the lefties in Lawrence that obtuse. Al Franken won in MN by 200 votes, likely could've been felon votes---some felons voted multiple times.

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Norma Jeane Baker 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm a registered Republican. However, I don't like the fear tactics that Kobach is using. He is creating an issue where none exists.

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texburgh 3 years, 8 months ago

Kobach has evidence of voter fraud...Democrats gained seats in the Kansas house two elections in a row!

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nugget 3 years, 8 months ago

Ah yes, the politics of fear.

Very convenient for Kobach's personal finances. Since their is no voter fraud in Kansas--and he knows this--it gives him even more time to work on being a consultant for out-of-state projects. He has already acknowledged if he wins the Secretary of State will be but just one job that gets his attention. The only fraud so far here, is Kobach's campaign platform. It's all smoke and mirrors. Identical to Phil Kline if you ask me.

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