Archive for Friday, April 30, 2010

KU officials clear McCollum Hall, say suspect in gun incident is believed to have left campus

Police investigating several reports of suspect around town, none confirmed

KU Public Safety officers stream into McCollum Hall Friday afternoon to investigate a report of man with a gun who was in the building. Police put the building on lockdown but have also checked at least two locations around Lawrence for the suspect.

KU Public Safety officers stream into McCollum Hall Friday afternoon to investigate a report of man with a gun who was in the building. Police put the building on lockdown but have also checked at least two locations around Lawrence for the suspect.

April 30, 2010, 2:12 p.m. Updated April 30, 2010, 6:39 p.m.

KU campus gun incident

Police were searching Friday afternoon for a suspect who was reportedly carrying a gun inside McCollum residence hall on the KU campus. The suspect has not yet been located.

Lawrence Police and KU Public Safety officers surround McCollum Hall in response to a report of an armed subject in the building. Law enforcement has established a perimeter around the building.

Lawrence Police and KU Public Safety officers surround McCollum Hall in response to a report of an armed subject in the building. Law enforcement has established a perimeter around the building.

KU officials activated their emergency alert system in response to a report of an armed subject on campus.

KU officials activated their emergency alert system in response to a report of an armed subject on campus.

McCollum resident?

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Students wait outside McCollum Hall on the Kansas University campus, where officers are investigating a report made Friday afternoon that a man has a gun inside the residence hall.

Students wait outside McCollum Hall on the Kansas University campus, where officers are investigating a report made Friday afternoon that a man has a gun inside the residence hall.

McCollum Hall incident reports, via Twitter
McCollum Hall

After more than three hours of waiting, Kansas University students were allowed to return to McCollum Hall on Friday evening.

Shortly before 5:30 p.m., police called off their search for a suspect believed to have a gun.

However, the search continues for the suspect.

Just before 2 p.m. Friday, KU Public Safety officers, officers from the Lawrence Police Department as well as Kansas Highway Patrol troopers converged on McCollum Hall after a resident reportedly heard a fight in a neighboring room and then heard a man say, “Where’s my gun?”

According to KU spokeswoman Jill Jess, a person then saw a man with a gun and reported that to authorities.

Jess said officials believed the suspect had left the building but “for the safety of our students” officers conducted a floor-by-floor search.

Shortly after 2 p.m., KU began notifying students, faculty and staff about the incident via text-message and e-mail alerts.

Jess described the suspect as a light-skinned black man, 6-foot to 6-foot-1, about 180 pounds, wearing a white T-shirt with brown trim, black sweatpants and white tennis shoes. The man, in his late teens or early 20s, has no facial hair. He has tattoos fully covering both arms.

As police began their search of the residence hall, students inside were asked to stay in their rooms until their floors were cleared. The university as a whole was not under lockdown.

A KU student named Kylie, who lives on McCollum Hall’s fourth floor and who was inside the building at 4 p.m. Friday, said police swept through her room three times to make sure she was alone and safe.

“Rumors are causing people to panic,” Kylie said.

Elizabeth Najim, a Wichita freshman, said she barricaded her door on the third floor of McCollum.

“I hear some doors opening and closing, but I really don’t know what that is,” she said.

When she arrived back at her dorm after astronomy class, she received odd text messages.

“A bunch of friends texted me, wondering if I was OK,” she said.

And then she received KU’s emergency text. “I started freaking out,” she said.

Shortly after 4 p.m., Kylie said a police officer told her she could leave the building, but that she could not go upstairs as police had not cleared upper floors.

As the afternoon wore on, dozens of KU students congregated outside the entrance to McCollum. At least a dozen police officers were outside the building while others conducted the search inside. Lawrence-Douglas County Fire Medical activated a medical task force and staged nearby at the Lied Center with several fire and medical units.

No shots were ever fired and no injuries were reported.

During the afternoon, KU advised McCollum students to go to a safe place and advised all other students to avoid the area. KU on Wheels buses were being rerouted away from the south end of Daisy Hill.

McCollum is the largest residence hall on the KU campus and is among five dorms on Daisy Hill, near 15th and Iowa streets. The co-ed residence hall is home to about 900 students on 10 floors.

Law enforcement officers continue their search for the suspect. On Friday afternoon, Lawrence police visited the McDonald’s on 23rd Street as well as the area of Sixth and Iowa streets in response to reports of a vehicle matching that of the suspect’s.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Lawrence Police tip line at 843-TIPS.

Comments

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 3 months ago

Not sure what you mean. It was a disturbance with a gun.

pantheon 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm just saying that the public announcement did not mention the gun. Could've been an escaped helper monkey. I wouldn't have known.

Minnesota 5 years, 3 months ago

Actually the text we received said "Police are searching McCollum Hall for armed suspect." Not sure where you are receiving your information.

pantheon 5 years, 3 months ago

From the loud-ass speaker outside my office. I'm not even near McCollum. It's this PA system they put in a while back.

Teri Chambers 5 years, 3 months ago

The loud speaker announcement didn't say anything about a gun. The email I got about 15 minutes later did.

MyName 5 years, 3 months ago

The PA was disturbance, the web alert says armed suspect. If that makes sense.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, the public safety announcement at KU didn't say "gun", but honestly, what else could it be?

I'm glad KU acted quickly. This could end badly.

monkeyspunk 5 years, 3 months ago

That incident lawrenceguy40 is referring to is a situation where an unstable woman, holed up in a trailer came out and fired on two officers. They returned fire and killed her. Self defense and defense of innocents around them are all those two officers are guilty of.

livetwice 5 years, 3 months ago

Whatever those officers might tell me about their "style of care," that would not even begin to back up your claim.

anonyname 5 years, 3 months ago

Nahhh...not from lawrenceguy40?? You're kidding!

Randall Barnes 5 years, 3 months ago

hmmmmm he is headed to mcdonalds on 23rd st in a blue chevy

anonyname 5 years, 3 months ago

Please share your source - not doubting you, just don't have any TV coverage, if that's what you're seeing.

Deja Coffin 5 years, 3 months ago

Sending prayers and hoping this ends as peaceful as possible.

FarneyMac 5 years, 3 months ago

How do you send them? FedEx? Western Union?

Deja Coffin 5 years, 3 months ago

ESP.... sometimes it leaves you with a bad headache but it's a price I pay. :-)

anonyname 5 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the laugh - I needed that!

da2yl2on 5 years, 3 months ago

I feel like people's comments will cause more of a panic than the actual story itself. I hope for the best.

Jeanne Cunningham 5 years, 3 months ago

http://alerts.ku.edu/

Posted 04/30/2010 02:15PM KU Police Alert 4.20

Police are searching for an armed suspect in McCollumn Hall. People in the hall should find a safe place and stay there. Stay away from McCollum Hall area until further notice.

gsxr600 5 years, 3 months ago

This is either a very small, misunderstood incident, or ****'s about to get real.

Richard Payton 5 years, 3 months ago

Could this be an individual with a concealed carry permit?

broadpaw 5 years, 3 months ago

If so, they wouldn't be legally allowed to carry in McCollum or any other campus buildings, anyway.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

He's not "concealing" it. With that permit, you cannot just walk around with a gun in your hand, can you?

july241983 5 years, 3 months ago

It's called "open carry" and is generally legal. You don't even need a concealed carry permit. But, I'm sure KU has some rule that prohibits having guns on campus.

RaynRavyn 5 years, 3 months ago

WRONG! As per law enforcment, open carry is legal, however some localities have ordinances to the contrary. Thanks anyhow.

Kansas

Summary While Kansas is an open carry state, they have incomplete preemption on open carry. This means that there are some local ordinances that could constitute a nightmare for the law abiding citizen, except for concealed handgun permit holders when inside vehicles.

State Constitution Bill of Rights, Section 4

The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

Minimum Age to OC 18

Preemption There is NO state preemption of firearms laws.

NOTE: Almost all states allow local regulation of the discharge of firearms

Open Car Carry Firearms may be openly carried in cars without any license except where localities have made open carry illegal; however, concealed handgun permits accepted by KS make the holder exempt from all local open carry bans.

Private Sales Not Yet Determined

Permit Issued Not Yet Determined

K-12 Carry Not Yet Determined

NOTE: The Federal Gun-Free School Zones Act Restricts Carry to Permit Holders

College Carry Concealed Carry Prohibited by Statute - Open Carry Generally Legal

NOTE: Even if Legal, Students May be Subject to Academic Sanctions

Places Off Limits Currently Being Researched

State Law Kansas Statutes

Official Documents

State Organizations

Local Ordinances

Concealed Carry Available at Handgunlaw.us

RaynRavyn 5 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, July. Wasn't supposed to be a reply to your comment. :)

twofrogs5846 5 years, 3 months ago

thank you raynravyn, the're really are people who do know the law in kansas thank god

Jeanne Cunningham 5 years, 3 months ago

Updated, now:

Posted 04/30/2010 02:45PM KU Police Alert 4.20

Police are searching for an armed suspect in McCollum Hall, the large residence hall on Daisy Hill. People in the hall should find a safe place and stay there. Stay away from McCollum Hall area until further notice.

Rumor control: There was no shooting. No one has been injured.

Rest of campus is NOT under lock down. However. please stay alert as you travel around campus.

Charley Downey 5 years, 3 months ago

Uh...what if this had happened yesterday?

MyName 5 years, 3 months ago

Well then you would have been limited to listening to the PA announcement and text messages (assuming you subscribed to that service). Oh, and probably to the police officers hanging out in front of McCollum telling people they can't go into the building.

anonyname 5 years, 3 months ago

I'd think the cops would be a good clue. Probably how it would have worked 10, 20, 50 years ago too.

gsxr600 5 years, 3 months ago

Considering everyone got a KU alert about the servers being down, it wouldn't matter

croutons 5 years, 3 months ago

Looks like those "no guns" signs and stickers they've got plastered all over the campus didn't work after all.

geekyhost 5 years, 3 months ago

Does make it easier to narrow down the suspect, though. The guy with the gun? That one.

K_dub 5 years, 3 months ago

I thought McCollum was one of the two situated on the corner(s) of 19th & Naismith.

The Daisy Hill dorms are on Iowa.

I could be mistaken though

stlcards515 5 years, 3 months ago

19th and Naismith are Oliver (the yellow one), and Naismith (private dorm). McCollum is the eastern most one on Daisy Hill, the big one with 3 wings.

Raider 5 years, 3 months ago

Probably what happened: Some guy with a conceal/carry permit was packing. Some liberal / loonie sees the weapon and freaks out. He/She calls the cops, and starts screaming about a rabid gunman running loose in the dorms. Campus and local police with nothing better to do turn this into a county-wide manhunt. At the end of the day... an innocent misunderstanding turned into a hugh jass mess.

This thing has already made national news. A buddy of mine in Dallas called me and said they are reporting it there.

But again, this is Lawrence, so people will freak out and talk about this for days. They will try to ban everything they can think of, but before they pass any ordinances they'll have to spend a bunch of money on studies to determine its feaseability.

broadpaw 5 years, 3 months ago

You may be right, but even if it was a CC holder, carrying a firearm into any campus building is illegal.

error4o4 5 years, 3 months ago

It is illegal to carry a concealed firearm into a campus building, but only because they're all 'posted' as such. It's not illegal to carry a concealed firearm into a campus building simply because it's a campus building.

Ref: http://www.ksag.org/files/shared/75-7c-01.pdf

MyName 5 years, 3 months ago

Umm no, the police are actively searching the building, if there was a simple misunderstanding regarding whether he should be carrying a weapon or not, he would have most likely just turned himself in.

I'll take "Off topic pro-NRA rant" for $300 Alex.

ksjayhawk74 5 years, 3 months ago

Sure, simple misunderstanding that's being blown out of proportion... like what happened at Virginia Tech.

FarneyMac 5 years, 3 months ago

Unsurprisingly, Raider is completely incorrect.

viagra_sailor 5 years, 3 months ago

a witness said they saw the suspect in the stairwell holding the gun. this is illegal.

K_dub 5 years, 3 months ago

Ohhhhhhhhhh!

Thanks for the clarification.

cellogrl 5 years, 3 months ago

McCollum is on Daisy Hill. That's Oliver and Naismith that are on 19th and Naismith.

whats_going_on 5 years, 3 months ago

Not that this isn't serious, but I'm going to laugh if this was a false report. Mainly just because everyone is freaking out about it.

How many kids do you think have already been pulled out of school for the next week.

stlcards515 5 years, 3 months ago

"How many kids do you think have already been pulled out of school for the next week."

This isn't high school

whats_going_on 5 years, 3 months ago

Freshmen in college...close enough.

And I don't think that matters nowadays

Angel Gillaspie 5 years, 3 months ago

why does the kansas city star have different information than the L J-W? they are claiming the incident began with a domestic dispute between a woman & her boyfriend...

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 3 months ago

Wouldn't be the first first time LJW got scooped by the KC Star in their own back yard.

geekyhost 5 years, 3 months ago

Probably because the JW is going with official reports and the KC Star is adding witness speculation.

Randall Barnes 5 years, 3 months ago

because thats what was dispatched i heard it on the scanner myself.

doc1 5 years, 3 months ago

Because the Gerbil World has no clue most of the time. They are always the last to get the information out and it's always been that way. Probably won't change either until competent editors are allowed in.

JRS 5 years, 3 months ago

There are helicoptors circling now.

Paula Kissinger 5 years, 3 months ago

The helicopters are from the news stations

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

Thought that chopper looked kinda strange just hovering in one spot... Channel 5 is reporting on it apparently from the chopper.

stlcards515 5 years, 3 months ago

Oh KCTV 5 is here? Katie Horner will be pissed, she won't get to interrupt all programing for pointless weather updates.

Also, I'm listening to the DG county police scanner and they think he's heading to KC now, listen to it live here

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=2178

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

rumor....arrest on the fourth floor...via channel 5

Phil Minkin 5 years, 3 months ago

It could have been someone headed to a Tea Party rally. Oh wait, he was described as a " a light-skinned black man".

Truthspeaker 5 years, 3 months ago

Do you go out of your way to be a moron or is this something that comes naturally to you?

dontcallmedan 5 years, 3 months ago

Tea Party supporters do not, as a rule, dig sarcasm.

Ray_Finkle 5 years, 3 months ago

" . . . and at least two armed officers had run into the building."

I certainly hope so. Now is not the time to be relying solely on the one armed officers!

Alia Ahmed 5 years, 3 months ago

You're right, Ray. Usually it's the fugitive that is one-armed.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

"All wings are secure"

Then "all but 4th floor"

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

domestic violence? report of a disturbance in a room and student hearing a male say..."where's my gun?" Neighboring student reported said disturbance to front desk. They are being VERY vague. Don't they have video surveillance on the property?

KansasPerson 5 years, 3 months ago

University Relations talking on Channel 9 now. Resident overheard domestic dispute in room next door, including "Where's my gun," and resident came down to report at front desk. That's all I heard; may be more.

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

Suspect is presumed off of the property...they are just doing a floor by floor, room by room...every square inch of the building. still no report of shots fired.

stlcards515 5 years, 3 months ago

KansasPerson,

I was watching that on Channel 5, they said they believed the suspect had left the building but they were sweeping the hall to make sure there were no weapons.

KansasPerson 5 years, 3 months ago

A recent tweet said they were looking, or had looked, at the 23rd St McDonalds as well as the Sixth and Iowa area. Pretty wide net!

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, if they know the room, then they'll soon know his name. Some chick's dating a knuckle-head, it seems.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

Seems the story is now mostly about Elizabeth Najim and the construction of her barricade.

KansasPerson 5 years, 3 months ago

The thing that worries me is that now that guy's probably pretty scared and might do something out of panic that he might not have done otherwise. With a description and knowing what room he was in, they're sure to know his identity pretty soon if they don't already. I hope he just gives himself up at this point....

Richard Payton 5 years, 3 months ago

Heard where's my gun! Must have be small.

Truthspeaker 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey hey hey....it's not the size of the gun....

Deja Coffin 5 years, 3 months ago

No kidding.... don't you remember Men In Black?

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

great....now i got the freak on my side of town!!! isn't there a repellant for these types of thugs?

LoveThsLife 5 years, 3 months ago

How scary for those students. Hope everything turns out well.

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

hahahaha!! Students are calling Channel 5 to update them...why not call Channel 6? ahhahahahahahaha!!!!

Randall Barnes 5 years, 3 months ago

every time i call ch 6 they do nothing to report act like they don't care. lmao

jackpot 5 years, 3 months ago

sounds like one going to the station from 3W. If I remember codes right this would be a negro male. May not be the gun man they still going floor to floor.

kufresh 5 years, 3 months ago

I agree COMPLETELY! Where are all these said witnesses when a white man runs around killing 20-30 people? Oh, but let a "light-skinned black man" say "Where's my gun" and it's this HUGE deal, even though NO shots were fired. I swear to Jesus, people do not understand the craziness of their words and thoughts!

Richard Payton 5 years, 3 months ago

Glad it wasn't Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn in a lovers spat with a gun. They would get a presidential pardon.

mdrndgtl 5 years, 3 months ago

Thank you for sharing that jewel with us. Very creative.

dontcallmedan 5 years, 3 months ago

And I thought Tea Party supporters didn't dig sarcasm.

Ray_Finkle 5 years, 3 months ago

Maybe they were merely playing a harmless round of Jeopardy. Category: Location 200 points: Location of your bullets. Light-skinned Black Guy: "Where is my gun?!" Ding, Ding, Ding

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

"All units move to the 5th floor"

So, it seems they have a lot more to search...

topflight 5 years, 3 months ago

lawrenceguy40, could you please explain all of your animosity towards the Law Enforcement community. ku police and lpd responded to a gun call and possibly prevented another tragic campus shooting. the highway patrol took a bunch of drunk drivers off the road last week. yet you continue to bitch and moan about the man putting you down. bitch and moan how cops are on ego trips just to make themselves feel better. lpd cannot get over themselves? what did they do wrong that pissed you off today? i assume you have no kids, no family, and no one close to you that you care about. i for one appreciate what the cops do out there for all of us. and yes, someday they may have to do something for you, unfortunately. but i imagine that you will continue to piss and moan.

parrothead8 5 years, 3 months ago

What makes you say it's a badly run department? What kind of rules do they live by? Why do you think the officers don't care about any of Lawrence's citizens? I haven't had any bad experiences with the LPD because I don't go around breaking laws, so I'm just curious.

vega 5 years, 3 months ago

don't pay too much attention to lg40 - he/she suffers from a chronical hatred of EVERYTHING! :)))

kufresh 5 years, 3 months ago

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MyName 5 years, 3 months ago

Well yeah, because no one who goes to Universities in Kansas are adults who are allowed to think and vote for themselves. They're all zombies being indoctrinated by new fangled technology like "reading".

mdrndgtl 5 years, 3 months ago

Finally some truth, I knew zombies were involved in this somehow.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

It's time someone said it: you have unresolved "issues", dude.

jonas_opines 5 years, 3 months ago

All this cop hate passed me by, then I ran by this article from Colorado on Fark and it plucked the chord a little.

http://www.denverpost.com/greene/ci_14980001

But probably bad apples and bunches and all that.

At any rate, lawrenceguy is either a clever troll, which I concede as a possiblity but frankly doubt a lot, or just a bitter and angry mosquito man who needs hate rather than blood to survive. Likely why he still lives in Lawrence with the liberals that he loathes, the university that he despises, and the politics that he hates.

James McGuire 5 years, 3 months ago

What sort of indoctrination are you speaking of?

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

no.....they are just moving slow....they are out of shape....most of them. What ever happened to having "FIT" police officers. Ours look like they just rolled off the Donut truck. Oh...wait...Lawrence doesn't have a fitness test for them to pass....they are all just "TEXTBOOK COPS"/ Military REJECTS.

gatekeeper 5 years, 3 months ago

Hate the cops much? Hope you don't need their help. I don't know who you've been looking at, but lots of our police are younger and not fat.

Michelle Derusseau 5 years, 3 months ago

I find that people that bad-mouth cops are people that have usually been in trouble at some point and had a run-in with the police. I wouldn't give their opinions a second thought. They don't understand or appreciate the risks police take everyday to help others.

Michelle Derusseau 5 years, 3 months ago

Anybody hear the vehicle description? The above mentions "Lawrence police have also visited the McDonalds on 23rd Street as well as the area of Sixth and Iowa streets in response to reports of a vehicle matching that of the suspect's." I guess I missed the part where they released the description, can anybody help me out?

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 3 months ago

A blue chevrolet. No additional information. Hasn't been officially released though, so may not be correct.

Michelle Derusseau 5 years, 3 months ago

Thanks! Seems like it might be useful information.

Randall Barnes 5 years, 3 months ago

yes a blue chevy were looking for him at mcdonalds.slinder black male wearing black sweats and a white shirt.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

The article had a rough description - but there are a lot of young black males with tattoos in this town, so...

igby 5 years, 3 months ago

Just saw a guy with a baseball bat walking in the alley off LA, like he was hunting someone.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years, 3 months ago

Panic is more important than reality. This leaves open the floodgates of terroristic bliss. All praise the flood!~)

Stephanie Harris 5 years, 3 months ago

I live in West Lawrence and am hearing tons of helicopters even over here....news, I expect?

Kelly Johnson 5 years, 3 months ago

It would be quite unfortunate for you to be written up over a burning candle from all those years ago...

//end sarcasm

gatekeeper 5 years, 3 months ago

On the scanner they're saying they think they may have found the suspect at N. 1250 Rd.

gatekeeper 5 years, 3 months ago

And just called all the officers to the lobby of the dorm. maybe they do have him.

gatekeeper 5 years, 3 months ago

They just announced all clear on campus.

jackpot 5 years, 3 months ago

all over recalled all to lobby. stated no longer on campus. from scanner

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, at least it has been a good day for the helicopter fuel guy.

ralphralph 5 years, 3 months ago

Can you imagine the fear of the students in the dorm ... when they found out the Cops might be coming to search their room? Yikes!

dr_gonzo13 5 years, 3 months ago

I think this is a good example of why concealed carry on campus is a bad idea. These kids got in an argument, tempers flared, and someone went for their gun. When you don't allow guns on campus, as KU currently does not, then the only real threats are the emotionally disturbed kids that come to campus with the INTENT to kill, and unfortunately there isn't really any way to safeguard from those kids. But if you allow concealed carry, you not only have to worry about shootings from those that come to campus with the intent to kill, but you also have to worry about kids that get their concealed carry license, come to campus without any intent to kill but get in an argument and then lose their tempers and start shooting in the heat of the moment.

ralphralph 5 years, 3 months ago

... ah, the way to safeguard for the emotionally disturbed kids is to have the non-disturbed, quite sane, well-trained ones having the means to stop the carnage. Do you really think, if this guy was going to shoot up the dorm, that the cops would have been able to respond in time to stop him? No way. But a licensed carrier would have been able to respond, if not for being prohibited from carrying. Just saying ...

dr_gonzo13 5 years, 3 months ago

Here are my thoughts on concealed carry:

1) Like I said above, people don't think rationally when they're in situations where tempers flair, but if they're unarmed, usually the most that's going to happen is someone might get beat down. But nobody dies. But if you give those people guns, things can easily happen and someone might end up shooting and killing someone even though they would never think of killing someone under normal circumstances.

2) After the Virginia Tech shootings there were studies done where they staged mock school shootings with paintball guns. They took people, put them through the training required to get a concealed carry permit, then put them in a classroom setting with a firearm that shoots paintballs and had someone come in and start firing and they found that when people are in these stressful situations with they're adrenaline pumping, a vast majority of people could barely even get their guns out of their holsters before they were shot, much less draw, fire, and kill before they got shot. So being allowed to carry a concealed weapon is really just a security blanket. You might feel comforted and safer, but it doesn't do any practical good most of the time.

3) Imagine you are allowed to carry firearms, and you're in your dorm and you start hearing gunfire over and over. People are screaming and running and it's a mass panic. Chaos. You pull your firearm and begin heading for the exit when you see a kid round the corner with a gun. Boom, you fire and kill the kid. You're a hero. Except at that very moment a cop comes around the corner behind you and sees you, in civilian clothing, gun down another kid. He thinks you're the shooter so he pumps a couple rounds into your back. Oh, and it turns out that the kid you just gunned down was just some other innocent kid that also had a concealed carry permit. Now you're a paraplegic and you murdered an innocent kid. It's called friendly fire and it happens with even the most highly trained military and law enforcement officials in chaotic situations. Most people just do not have the training to know how to handle situations like this. And allowing concealed carry saddles cops with the burden of trying to figure out who is a threat and who is just trying to protect themselves.

davisnin 5 years, 3 months ago

  1. All this hellabaloo over a phrase someone overheard. It could have been a nerf pistol, a bb gun, whatever, the details are spotty at best. This whole thing has none of the trademarks of a crazed campus gunman, yet by the comments it appears that is the story being portrayed .

  2. This has nothing to do with CC. In fact, if CC were allowed this wouldn't be such a kerfuffle as the response to what was overheard would be "yeah, lots of people have guns here. what's your point?" Saying that CC people would constantly be losing their tempers and shooting people is speciousness.

  3. I'm so happy to have an opportunity to use hellabaloo and kerfuffle.

jayhawk72 5 years, 3 months ago

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lllwll 5 years, 3 months ago

Flash;

from the hill to McDonalds to N1250 rd to jump to conclusions.

Is this a slow police day or just a students false report?

Make everything dramatic.

Paula Kissinger 5 years, 3 months ago

jayhawk72...stop hatin' already. Don't pick on Al Deathe. Ron Olin is not the Sheriff. No suspect ever arrested in this city has ever been denied medical attention...some suspects have denied it themselves. Prisoners in jail who are taking prescribed medications that can be verified are given their medications.

OK....back to what I was going to say. I think that the individuals directly involved in the report of a suspect with a gun do not have a grasp of young black male language. It is not uncommon for a young black male in a situation to say "where's my gun" to make a point, not that he actually has one. This can be misunderstood and then the snowball starts. I did not hear anything about anyone actually seeing a gun. Did I miss something ?

Deja Coffin 5 years, 3 months ago

She said a person then saw a man with a gun and reported that to authorities.

quote from the article.

lllwll 5 years, 3 months ago

Pit.. that is the problem.

You think black language should be excused. It is time to make comments like that accountable.

I_Bejewel 5 years, 3 months ago

Like PitBull, I thought it was just someone hearing someone say, "Where's my gun". Then I read the next release and it turned into someone seeing an actual gun. I care about the safety of all the KU students, but I hate it when the media incites panic to get a story. I hope they find the guy and clear this up. No one has been shot or threatened, held hostage or harmed at this point. My guess is it's not going to happen.

Paula Kissinger 5 years, 3 months ago

I didn't say that "black language should be excused". What I was saying was that the way it was originally reported, that statement was overheard by a resident who freaked out and ran to tell someone on the McCollum staff about it without seeing a gun. Which was pretty much my point. The news media just took this and ran with it and clogged up all stations with the "play-by-play" including helicopter shots and repeatedly stating that no shots were fired. It was so ridiculous...it looked like overkill. But I suppose with the current state of affairs it is now SOP.

shaley8160 5 years, 3 months ago

say it with me, boys and girls: I DON'T UNDERSTAND MY SPECIES.

and where is he now???

whats_going_on 5 years, 3 months ago

lol @ the girl who reported it saying that even if those people did have a gun, they are just the nicest people ever....thanks for putting people in a panic then, b*tch

verity 5 years, 3 months ago

If there had been a gun and nothing had been done and a person(s) had been injured or killed, you all would be screaming bloody murder now that the person didn't report it or the police didn't do their job. Probably nobody was ever in any danger, but it sounds like everybody did pretty much what they were supposed to do. And KU has set up an alert system that seems to be working quite well.

persevering_gal 5 years, 3 months ago

Well said, verity. I completely agree. Someone will always be upset with how one handled a situation. In this case, it is better to be safe than sorry.

7texdude 5 years, 3 months ago

Personally, I'm glad there were no major shootings today at KU. I know a guy from Columbine and I talked with someone who at Virginia Tech that day. I am glad KU was not added to that list today. This petty sniding at each is typical of this LJW online experience, but, no joking, I am glad everything seems OK.

We should analyze the correct and incorrect actions tomorrow, but in the end, it was a good ending.

davidmcg 5 years, 3 months ago

Question: I was under the belief they had video at the dorm lobbies. If he was at a McDonalds, surely there is video. So why don't we have a picture of him by now?

shirinisb 5 years, 3 months ago

Okay, so like, here's what happened. (I have no firsthand knowledge of course, but I am always right on)

Girl who reported incident was best friends with her dorm neighbor. She was also dating a good looking guy, but the guy had an eye for the neighbor.

Guy hooks up with said neighbor. Girl senses what is going on and eavesdrops so that she can catch them in the act, and put the video on youtube, namely the Cheater's link.

Girl actually hears guy singing the newest enimem song "wheres my gun" and while in a delusional state of jeaoulsy, imagines his cell phone as a gun when she goes to confront the hip-hop couple.

Disclaimer: the above comment is in pure fiction and in no way represents truth in any persons involved, either dead or living. Much like the rest of the comments on this board.

Raphael 5 years, 3 months ago

I received an email alert from LJW on this news event - immediately texted my 3 KU student children, learned within 10 seconds they were all aware of the incident and were far away from it. KU had sent texts and announced it overhead. I'm humbly amazed by the swiftness of communication.

Danielle Brunin 5 years, 3 months ago

I was thinking, what if he was quitting smoking and actually yelled, "Where's my gum," and left in a nicotine-deprived rage? Then, he gets to his destination and finds out what's going on.

independant1 5 years, 3 months ago

It was me. Was on my way to a Tea Party, not to participate but to see if I knew anybody there, and forgot to take off the .44 Bulldog. Had a contentious vist with the youngest of my kids. Told her she was going to have to get a part-time job and pay for her books and spending money.

What I said was, "there you go my dentures have separated from my GUMS!"

The moral, don't take your gun to town Bill.

The Tea Party? Half my graduating class was there, 6 of em.

jhwk215 5 years, 3 months ago

how ironic that his happend a few hours before terrence jones was about to announce his decision

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