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Kansan Kris Kobach helped write controversial Arizona immigration law

Kris Kobach engages in an online chat with ljworld.com readers in this 2004 photo. Kobach helped write a new immigration law in Arizona that has civil rights groups up in arms.

Kris Kobach engages in an online chat with ljworld.com readers in this 2004 photo. Kobach helped write a new immigration law in Arizona that has civil rights groups up in arms.

April 27, 2010

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— The new immigration law in Arizona, which has caused an uproar among civil rights groups, has a Kansas connection.

Kris Kobach, a law professor, former chairman of the Kansas Republican Party, and a GOP candidate for secretary of state, helped write the law.

“I believe in the cause,” Kobach said.

The law, which takes effect this summer in Arizona, would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally, and it directs state and local police to question people about their status if the officer suspects they are illegal. People who are unable to produce documents showing they are legally in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed and fined.

The law has been roundly criticized by civil rights advocates who say people who look or sound foreign will be forced to repeatedly confirm their citizenship.

Kobach described the law as “reasonable and measured” and said criticisms of it have been in error.

He said part of the law says police may not use racial profiling. He said a typical situation where the law would be used is where an officer stops a vehicle for a traffic infraction along a known smuggling corridor and a large number of people are in the vehicle, no one has identification and the driver acts evasively.

“All those factors combined would constitute reasonable suspicion,” he said.

As an attorney, Kobach has long been involved in battles targeting illegal immigration.

He said the Arizona law’s author, state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican, asked for his help in drafting the measure.

“I have an expertise in this area,” said Kobach, adding that he provided the assistance for free.

Kobach said he didn’t believe his involvement in creation of the law would have any impact on running for secretary of state. He said if elected secretary of state, he would help draw up a similar bill in Kansas only if asked by a state legislator and if he had some spare time.

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Ricky_Vaughn 3 years, 11 months ago

The words Gestapo and KGB come to mind...

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jaywalker 3 years, 11 months ago

"Democrats should thank Kris for helping his team shoot themselves in the foot yet again."

Yeah, 'cuz this law is all about party politics. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the incredible illegal immigration problem. Nooo, just a Republican ploy to garner votes in the next election.

For the love...

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Melinda Black 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobach may have just cost the GOP votes in November. Political scientists predict this will energize Hispanics to organize and turn out the vote against Republicans, even outside Arizona. Democrats should thank Kris for helping his team shoot themselves in the foot yet again.

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Ames 3 years, 11 months ago

Way to Kobach, your a true AMERICAN hero.

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ShePrecedes 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't call it immigration. I call it migration.

And there are a lot of Americans moving to Mexico too.

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ShePrecedes 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobach is not to be trusted. He lies and doesn't blink doing it.

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kansasironworker 3 years, 11 months ago

oh yes we as a land of immigrants. yes when the big waves came they came through Newyork every person signed a book and got legal papers to be here. times where tough and things did get rough at times. but we all spead out across this great land and we are running out of it fast. farms are smaller cities are larger the food supply can't continue to provide for us to keep multiplying like this. let alone the crime to keep getting worse. any crime no matter how big or small is still a crime. laws are made to be kept not broken when it's fits your needs. after 9/11 the border and the security was to be so tight. ya the airport went choke hold on every person. but the border never stopped being a flood gate. for any person who wanted to do us harm all they had to do was just walk in. drive the means to blow or kill as many people that they want. for way to long it's been just wait and see. the only people who really don't care make well over 100,000 a year per person. not combined wage. average person needs 40,000 with health care.to live the america way. but average wage is 24,000 with no health care. average house 80,000 to 200,000. so how does unemployment pay 320-420 max per week. oh ya banks gave bonus to the executives. workers none.

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kansasironworker 3 years, 11 months ago

well im sure this will just be lost in cyberspace. but here is something to ponder on. do you know a teacher can't ask a student if he or any person in his family is illeagal. it's against their rights. yeah many friends who are teachers. so we are forced to turn a blind eye. my mom was a school nurse for a few years at a school. one day a girl came in . my mom asked her where her glasses where. the girl said at home . she said well can ya bring them in tomorrow. the girl said im not going back to mexico for a few more months. just facts that make it easy and hard to enforce federal laws. it's easy to find them harder to do any thing about it. now why if they broke the laws do they have so many rights. here's a really good fact for ya to wrap your mind around. truck drivers have to have certain permits and class a b license to drive in the states. but a mexican driver can leagally drive a bigrig full of hazard material all over from mexico into the states with out it . ya can thank nafta for that scary piece of mind. how about this one on southwest blvd. a bus on it a sign says $99 to and from mexico. well that bus don't stopp going down nor comming back from mexico. how many can ya get on an old grey hound bus? how about looking for a show on tv about tribal border patrol officers and looking and paying attention to the carnage and destruction done by the drugs and human trafficing. we have laws but they only apply to federal worker to enforce them. the states and the local goverment should be able to enforce them or people will just bury the problem at the dumps. or under the soil at big jobs. hog farms need free food.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Arizona is just ahead of the curve, that's all. Obama's brownshirts will be detaining all fair-skinned non-believers here before you know it......most never to be heard from again.

(laughter)

The paranoia on the left never ceases to provide entertainment for me.

Wow!

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jchristine2 3 years, 11 months ago

I must be out of the loop, but where did Marion go?

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 11 months ago

A controversial new immigration law in Arizona might impact the vote in the mid-term elections later this year. For one, it could energize Hispanics and bring them out in large numbers to vote.

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kubacker 3 years, 11 months ago

More good news: The Arizona law is about to be introduced in the Maryland, Georgia & Ohio legislatures - that's six states and counting.

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kubacker 3 years, 11 months ago

Good news: The Arizona law is about to be introduced in the Texas legislature - that's three states and counting.

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IndusRiver 3 years, 11 months ago

Us being in Iraq and Afghanistan is a crime. Unemployment is sky high there, too.

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jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Indus,

What on earth does your post have to do with the issue at hand?

Being in this country illegally is a crime, and should not be tolerated.

There is already a high level of unemployment, and it can only get worse the more illegal immigrants we let in/let stay here.

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IndusRiver 3 years, 11 months ago

This sort of thing is always very frustrating to me. It's so frustrating because people of color might just be the people who, for instance, answer a 911 call. Society needs it's people, all of them, to survive and to function. And I'm willing to bet that if the police officer or the trauma surgeon or whatever is a person of color that nobody's going to care at that point. So there are times when people could not care less, and in that case then they could care less all of the time. Whites are not "supreme" over anybody. Never have been, and never will be. Get over it, grow up, and learn to live and play and work with others. Because nobody wants to babysit whining failures anymore! Remember something else here. Whites have been "running the world" for ever and now the sheer misery of their bass-ackward "laws" is global. Look at the whole world now if it doesn't just make you sick. Our little bubble, this biosphere that sustains us, is back to kill us. People like Kobach only work to sustain the world's evil and sickness for he has no higher goal in his life. Pity him, at best.

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yankeevet 3 years, 11 months ago

If the illegals want too be violent; by burning the american flag; tearing up and burning everything; ...........just give me a minute; I'm reloading now..................

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canusayduh 3 years, 11 months ago

I know I'll be slaughtered here for showing my ignorance, but I'm going to ask anyway. Can illegals legally get a driver's license? I ask because of this. If I get pulled over, I have to show ID, a driver's license, among other documentation, insurance, etc. That is my proof that I'm legal to drive in this state. I'm not Republican, and I don't pretend to be. But I wholeheartedly agree with this measure. If other mechanisms that have been put into place don't correct the issue of illegal immigration, maybe this one will. And isn't it kind of redundant to say being and illegal immigrant is going to be a crime? If they are already here illegally, isn't it already a crime? Just my thoughts...go ahead and butcher away...

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missmagoo 3 years, 11 months ago

Thank you Mr. Kobach. Hopefully other states will follow suit.

I know there are so many out there who think this is a violation of our civil rights, this is an outrage.. blah blah blah.

Move to Arizona then call me in 6 months and see if you still feel the same. From someone who has lived in Arizona, this is long overdue. You have to see the border violence to believe it. Nogales used to be a nice border town to buy pottery and other goods. Now, it is a drug cartel controlled area similar to Juarez, and it's spilling over into the AZ side. Illegal border crossers are hiding out in Southern AZ. Some head out to CA, most go to Phoenix where there's less chance to be discovered. Regardless of whether or not the illegals cause more violence, ehhhh, that's not the point. Crossing the border illegally or being in this country is illegal and more steps should be taken to enforce these laws. End of story.

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Clark Coan 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobach is a real jerk. I recall when he spoke before the City Commission and urged them not to vote for the resolution calling for the reform of the Patriot Act. They paid attention and weakened the resolution further despite Kobach not even living in Lawrence. He did some dirty work for Bush as well.

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nergie 3 years, 11 months ago

Immigration falls under the purvue of the US Congress per the Constitution. Arizona law cannot supercede US Law on these types of issues. As for illegal immigration, there needs to be some action, but it can be done without States passing their own legislation.

As for all the comments in favor of this law, I find it amusing how easily we blame others for what is going. It is the classic belief of entitlement. When I grew up, no matter how menial the job was. It seems kids today feel entitled, and god forbid they actual work for something. We need to stop blaming others for our own mess, if you don't want illegals then don't hire them, be willing to pay the going wage for an American worker and deal with it.

I find it disheartening how easily we blame others today, without realizing we Americans are part of the problem. It is the same with the drug wars, let's stop our consumption and take away the lucrative nature of the trade. When there is no demand, there is no need for suppliers.

So let's think before we speak, another lost art in today's society, because as the saying goes when you point a finger at someone there are four pointing back at you. But, I guess this is too much for today's society where every Jane, Tom, Dick and Harry thinks they are right and everything should be focused around their needs.

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Roland Gunslinger 3 years, 11 months ago

Can someone tell me how this law keeps the illegals that are caught and sent back home from coming back into the U.S.?

Or are we just wasting taxpayer dollars on a huge revolving door?

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Iwetmypants 3 years, 11 months ago

I applaude your hard work Mr. Kobach. Great job, well done. This is a great first step to give States rights back to the people. The federal Gov't. has failed to protect our borders. Now the state of Arizona is doing just what it is sworn to do. Protect the citizens of Arizona.

I support this because it makes sense. Is it perfect, no. Sorry Mr. Truck Driver, we're doing something new here and we made a mistake. Oh well. We have a very serious problem here and the liberals / progessives once again are toooo stupid to see the forest for the trees.

We all know that we will never, ever get rid of all 20 mill. illegals. We must keep trying and we must create a new process for the individual states. Lets find a process to legalize or make legal those who are established here as good, although, illegal citizens. Lets take the power away from the feds and find solutions on the state level. How about we don't wait on Mr. Obama to fix everything and we continue the work that Mr Kobach and other free thinking Americans are trying to do. We have to do something now.

If 20 million mexicans trully what to be here to better their miserable lives, then they should be willing to help fix this. So instead of bitching about the rest of us being racist, how about some of you brilliant ILLEGAL immigrants help yourself by fixing your problem. Stop protesting, stop complaining, stop blaming everybody else and find a solution. Fix it.

And hey, all you stupid, moronic dumbass liberals... how about you get off your fat asses and call Mr. Kobach with your solition to this massive, unsustainable, tax draining immigration problem. Oh, that's right your waiting for the Great One to fix it for you. I knew that.

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yankeevet 3 years, 11 months ago

and oh yes; take their crappy flags with them also...........

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yankeevet 3 years, 11 months ago

Excellent job; well done............Kris!!! "No quarter asked; and no quarter given" Send those illegals back over the border..........and take their drugs; and tequila with them............however they can leave the Coronas.........

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kubacker 3 years, 11 months ago

arealmic

No one but fellow Marxists gives a flying shxx about the McCarthyite proclamations of the race-baiters at the SPLC.

Yesterday it was announced the Utah legislature is ready to adopt the Arizona law because they're not going to allow the 1/2-million AZ illegals to pack up and move to UT and destroy their hospitals, schools and social services systems.

Get used to it because the Arizona law is coming to many more states, including Kansas, after the November elections.

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Bossa_Nova 3 years, 11 months ago

wilbur, if you knew anything about the border you wouldnt say that. the border patrol have no choice but to accept the bribes from the illegal activity on the border. i know it may seem rather simple and easy to just be a good border patrol agent and do your job, but the drug smugglesr have a lot of money (more than you can imagine), a sophisticated crime network with sophisticated weapons and they are really, really nasty and use both sides of the border to their benefit. most likely the border patrol agents that you claim to have seen taking bribes were given a choice to either take the bribe and live in peace or not take the bribe and the drug mafia murders him or even worse his family. it happens all too often. if you ever lived on the border you would already know that.

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Bossa_Nova 3 years, 11 months ago

this is boring. i wish Marion was here tooffer his comments and get things stirred up. the ljworld.com just doesnt seem to be fun anymore without Marion.

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oneeye_wilbur 3 years, 11 months ago

Some of the problems with illegals going into Arizona start with the US Imigration authorities at the border. I watched them take money and let people pass thru. They , in fact, charge a fine, but there are no documents available to back up what is charged.

This is more than just some Latinos coming across the border. Our own US employees are behind a money making scheme.

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jchristine2 3 years, 11 months ago

If the US Government can't get illegal immigration under control, the only other option I see is for states to speak up for themselves and get strong laws put in place. I commend Arizona for creating a tough law. If you are here illegally, you need to go back to where you come from and enter the country legally. That is not too much to ask I don't think.

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KUBlue0809 3 years, 11 months ago

Great! Looks like Texas could follow. About time we kick the tax-evading illegals outta here.

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mizzou_fan01 3 years, 11 months ago

i feel this will do more harm than good in the long run, cause no matter how good nature law it may be you will always have some police officer that is on a power trip no matter where u go. and also dont forget that some native american people tend to look like mexicans also. there's so many problems that can arise from this law being passed just for the sake of getting a few illegal immigrants. is it really worth it.

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jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

gatekeeper,

If that's true, it's a bit more of a hassle, but I'd do it.

The only problem I see is if somebody steals my wallet and they get my birth certificate and driver's license - they could do a bit of damage with those two before I catch them.

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ModSquadGal 3 years, 11 months ago

It's about time. Until we start taking more serious steps like this, our country will be overrun and we will be outnumbered. The fact that illegal aliens in this country believe they have "rights" is an abomination to our Constitution. They have the RIGHT to go back to their own country, not to remain illegally in ours while getting free medical care, freedom from paying taxes and free education for their children. It's not about racism, and it certainly is not akin to anything Hitler did, people just love to add that spin to it to make it sound more grandiose. This is a necessary commitment to making our country the best it can be and to making people take responsibility for themselves. We can't even support all the LEGAL citizens who want something for nothing (not that we should anyway), we certainly don't need to add people who are here illegally to that tally. Aren't there enough people in this country not paying taxes and feeding off the government teat? Soon, they will outnumber those of us working hard to pay (or, overpay) our taxes and then the incentive to work will be gone!

In any other country, illegals of any nation, race, color, etc. are weeded out and sent packing. In other countries there are strict rules regarding non-citizens (or even NEW citizens) owning land, getting an education, taxation, etc. Why NOT in America? Why are we so anxious to just let anybody in and give them all the benefits we enjoy? It's not an acceptable way to conduct ourselves in this day and age. That's just the reality of the situation.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 11 months ago

"Kobach, Tancredo, same guy?"

Actually, Tancredo stated he thought the law went too far and was an overreach.

Unintended consequences are always lurking. Get rid of illegals, and food and meat prices skyrocket. The cheap labor for farmers and slaughter houses that illegals provide keeps our food prices low.

George W. Bush realized this. Thus his "amnesty" program for Mexican workers to "legally" cross the border to work in AZ, CA, and TX.

This is a good case of ideology trumping economics and reality, something so common on the right these days.

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

"We need to send all of the illegals home! " === Could be done, at a cost. George Will once noted if the first bus had its nose on the Mexican border, and they were lined up nose-to-tail, the last bus would be somewhere near the Canadian border. Then, the only challenge would be to get the 12 million (est.) or so illegals to find their way to the bus line, get on board and head south. Would be an interesting scene. If we want to bring troops home from the BS wars and station them on the border, I don't care. That might work. The main consequence of border 'control' would be to increase the price of food and lodging and reduce the supply of veggies. As usual, another interesting discussion of a hot topic on this award winning newspaper's blogs. Peace out!

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

Can you say 'unconstitutional' boys and girls?

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BigPrune 3 years, 11 months ago

It's already a Federal Law, they just made it a state law too, right?

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bruno2 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow, what a surprise, Kobach helped write a racist law? Kobach, Tancredo, same guy?

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RonBurgandy 3 years, 11 months ago

Conservatives: Ok with big government...as long as it infringes on the rights of non white people.

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akt2 3 years, 11 months ago

Wouldn't Arizona law enforcement know what is going on? Sheriff Joe Arpaio stated on Larry King this week that out of 200,000 arrests in his district, 34,000 were illegals. He also stated that 20% of those incarcerated in his jail are illegals. He went on to say that many are there for murder and other terrible crime. This is probably a drop in the bucket. And all Al Sharpton can rail on is that brown skinned people are having their rights violated. He'd probably stand at the border and hold their hand while they crossed into the US if you gave him a chance.

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MacHeath 3 years, 11 months ago

I thought one good idea Bush had was the idea of a "guest worker" visa. But ohhh on, we couldn't do that! You have to have some way of keeping track of folks coming in and out of this country. We need the workers...who the heck is gonna cook your food, and mow your lawn? This is another example where back-biting between the two parties has given us nothing, but more problems.

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gatekeeper 3 years, 11 months ago

They have already taken a legal USA resident into custody because of this law. A truck driver was taken at a weigh station because he is latino. He had his commercial drivers license and told them his SS #, but he was handcuffed and taken into custody until his wife could get his birth cert. So, anyone that is any shade of brown now has to carry their birth cert? Those of you that support this law, do you carry your b.c. every where you go? http://guanabee.com/2010/04/american-truck-driver-illegal-alien-arizona-sb1070/

Hell, even Karl Rove says "He thinks there are going to be some constitutional problems with this bill."

People who aren't very familiar with the border areas don't realize that there are actually a lot of Mexican tourists who visit the US, mainly to shop. AZ gets 24 million legal MX tourists a year and they estimate because of this tourism there are 7K jobs available to USA workers. Now, MX has issued a travel warning to it's citizens.

Many groups are now boycotting AZ. This is going to really hurt their economy until the bill is overturned in the courts as being unconstitutional, which is going to happen.

And the police hate the bill. They don't have the resources for this and now if a crime is committed and only illegals witnessed it or know who did it, they won't come forward. Prior to the law, they did come forward because the local police weren't concerned about their citizenship status, they were concerned with solving the crime.

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jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

The question, it seems to me, is whether the search is "unreasonable" or not.

That will most likely be decided by the courts at some point.

Some practical questions:

Is a driver's license enough proof of citizenship? What if you don't drive - can you get a state ID? Will the police be able to distinguish fake ID's?

If I lived in Arizona, I'd make sure I had correct ID on me at all times. I generally always have my wallet with driver's license on me now - it wouldn't be much of a hardship.

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parrotuya 3 years, 11 months ago

KK sure is proud of this unconstitutional law. I can't wait to see it blow up in his face. I won't be voting for this repug, either.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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zzgoeb 3 years, 11 months ago

Anyone in the US NOT of Native American decent, is an illegal alien! I wonder what nation Kobach's family came from? Oh, and yeah we've heard the "but they were legal immigrants"...oh were they? There were no immigration laws until the early 20th century.

This is sad moment in our history, and Mr. Kobach should be ashamed of this unpatriotic act.

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preebo 3 years, 11 months ago

This statute runs afoul of the 4th Amendment. Mr. Kobach should have seen this coming, but my guess is that he did, and is challenging this interpretation. I'd be hard pressed to see this stand up to the Constitutionality test. Not surprised that a conservative (from Yale Law) would try something this egregious. It's hard to buy their (Neo-Conservatives) intellectual honesty on individual freedom and less government intrusion, WHEN THEY WRITE A LAW THAT DOES EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!

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firstnation101 3 years, 11 months ago

Its odd how we are moving backwards in time, whatever happen to Martin Luther Kings words? "my children will not be judged by the color of their skin but the content of their character?"

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macon47 3 years, 11 months ago

so they passed a law, making it illegal to be an illegal alien, am i missing something? thats as bad as passing a law prohibiting inattentive driving by texting while you drive what a waste of resources enforce the laws we have

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Mike Ford 3 years, 11 months ago

nice to see that kansas loans out it's nutjobs to other states. I wonder how all of the Hopis, Dine', Yavapai, Havasupai, Huavapai, Na' Dene', Tohono, Od'dham, Paiute, Pima, and Yaqui people feel about all of the Anglos who came in illegally and seized their land and water rights in the 19th century and didn't allow them to vote in U.S. elections until 1951, 27 years after other tribal people got the right to vote in this country? The Yaquis and Tohono Od'dham peoples live on both sides of the border and have dual citizenship and yet get harrassed by borfer patrol anglos. People also forget that Mexico is a Spanish colonial designation. Tarahumaras, Seris, Mixtecs, Olmecs, Aztecs, and Zacatecas people are all indigenous peoples. Thirty percent of Mexico is full blood indians from many tribes. Both sides of colonialism must love what these map boundaries have accomplished since California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Texas, and parts of Oklahoma and Kansas used to be part of Mexico until 1847. Indigenous Mexicans are coming to areas that were once theirs anyway. Good history, but do dumblicans and LEDs listen. Probably not. Barry's probably coming up with some dumb pantone line anyway, right.

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Robert Burnham 3 years, 11 months ago

I say we all cross the border to Mexico and see what happens! Immediate arrest, huge fines, grimey dirty jails, huge bail and possible court date in 1 year. Why don't we apply the same laws here that Mexico imposes on illegals in THEIR country.

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Jimo 3 years, 11 months ago

How many times is "law professor" Kobach going to propose laugh out loud quack legal theories?

I knew a long time ago he was an idiot. I just never realized what a burn in hell, racist bigot he was.

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lawrenceguy40 3 years, 11 months ago

Anyone not born here should be sent back to their original country. That would solve barry o's unemployment mess. If in the future we need more workers, then there should be specific quotas on TEMPORARY work visas. Foreign workers should have to register with law enforcement, as they have to in other countries.

All around the world we are known as a place that people can come and take advantage of our ingenuity and strong economy. That strong economy is being destroyed by uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration. We have a choice - we can stop immigration while we are strong or we can stop immigration by removing the reason people want to come here.

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beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

Brown people -- Republicans don't trust you. You are all suspect because of the color of your skin. Please remember this come No-vember.

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lounger 3 years, 11 months ago

note how Kansan Kris Kobach has the initials K.K.K.. I would not be a bit suprised...

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

I feel the same way about Chicago as I do about Arizona. The home town of Poser is considering the National Gaurd to calm down the 'Gang' activity. It is so terrible that PADs want to unleash the Military on people that are of African descent.

Just terrible.

Stimulus, PAD Police State and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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onemansopinion 3 years, 11 months ago

AZ Senate Bill 1070: A law officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.

I hope the Arizona police are thoroughly trained on this, because the OPPORTUNITY exists for abuse. I do not want to see good officers have to worry about potential lawsuits of violations of civil rights because a bill is so vaguely written that it can't be uniformly enforced.

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beobachter 3 years, 11 months ago

trog, care ti site the "law" you claim requires such a proof? I can go anywhere at any time and unless I'm breaking the law or LE can show probable cause, they can't demand anything. Been proven as far as Supreme Court via several cases. One in particular I remember being a black in CA who liked to walk at night thru "white" upscale" neighborhoods, and told cops, basically to leave him alone. Guess what, no probable cause, cops can't hassle.

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Trog 3 years, 11 months ago

Most people calling this law racist or violating civil rights have not read the law. It explicitly forbids racial profile of any kind. The suspect must already be pulled over for an infraction in order to ask for a green card, or any other documentation. And guess what, it is already written into FEDERAL law that anyone in this country must provide proof of being here legally when asked by authorities. This law closely mirrors Federal law and will stand up in to a court challenge..So for all of you cry babies screaming at the top of your lungs take a look at the law and come with an informed opinion..

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none2 3 years, 11 months ago

The sad thing is that plenty of Kansans will vote for pretty-boy Kobach when he runs.

Take away the divisive subjects for which he has well polished responses, and you get a very shallow individual. Voting for him is like voting for a picture of a man on cardboard -- only 2 dimensional.

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puddleglum 3 years, 11 months ago

you know, Kobach is a dolt. always has been. however, I like his view on this one.

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arealmlc 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobach is lying when he says "adding that he provided the assistance for free." Actually, "Dr." Kobach was paid handsomely by infamously racist AZ sheriff Joe Arpaio, out of a slush fund the sheriff from property he seizes.... to the tune of $300 an HOUR, plus expenses, airfare, hotel, travel expenses AND a retainer of $1500 per MONTH.

By the way, Kobach is also the legal counsel for the Federation of Immigration Law Reform. which is classified as a hate group by the well-respected Southern Poverty Law Center.

Source: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2010/03/kris_kobach_nativist_attorney.php

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firstnation101 3 years, 11 months ago

Then you all need to go home back to your homes of origins only the first nations people of the country have standing to be here. Racial profiling is never right, most american indians look brown too, you going to card the real people who are suppose to be here?

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macon47 3 years, 11 months ago

what do you not understand about the term illegal immigrants?

i am all for an open door policy but not for more losers than we already have sucking the life out of our welfare systerm

come to the us, get a job, learn the language, become a citizen, that is how our grand fathers did it

what makes these folks so special??

do they just want a place to birth thier babies get free medical ,and govt checks?

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onemansopinion 3 years, 11 months ago

Where is the Tea Party to protest this dramatic overreach of the goverment into individual liberties? Some people that will be affected are American citizens and have the right to refuse to identify themselves. Seems pretty unconstitutional to me...

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eric1889 3 years, 11 months ago

I know very little about this law, but it does seem to be a bit unconstitutional. Are we not protected against unwarranted searches? Are their any punishments for the business owners that hire these illegal workers? If we really want to help stop illegals from entering our country, we need to have hefty fines and jail time for the people knowingly hiring these workers.

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SeaBee 3 years, 11 months ago

Since when is this money chasing , vote chasing would-be politico an expert on anything?

http://krazykriskobach.com/

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edjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Why in the heck isn't the US Border Patrol doing their job?

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BlackVelvet 3 years, 11 months ago

"I have no problem with stricter measures against illegal immigration. However, the power granted to police in this law should make any civil libertarian shudder. When "just cause" becomes "I thought she looked like an illegal Mexican", it is time to stop and think hard about if this is what we want...."

I seriously doubt the wording of the law gives the cops carte blanche to stop anyone they feel "might be" illegal. I think they will have to have some kind of articulable suspicion at least. And as with all other laws, the courts should be overseeing things and if the cops are acting wrongly, the courts will surely intervene.

And if the feds would do THEIR jobs, Arizona would not have to do this. Period.

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Richard Payton 3 years, 11 months ago

Obama better stay out of Arizona because if he is throw in jailed ICE would need to see his birth certificate before releasing him. He might have to call Michelle if he didn't carry it on him.

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Bruce Bertsch 3 years, 11 months ago

Wouldn't it just be easier to have them wear yellow stars so we know who they are?

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 11 months ago

I have no problem with stricter measures against illegal immigration. However, the power granted to police in this law should make any civil libertarian shudder.

When "just cause" becomes "I thought she looked like an illegal Mexican", it is time to stop and think hard about if this is what we want.

Illegal immigrants come here for one reason: to find jobs. We need to enforce stricter measures on employers, farmers, fruit and vegetable growers, etc., who knowingly hire and indeed recruit Mexican citizens illegally to this country to work their jobs.

As any god capitalist knows, eliminate the demand, and the supply will dwindle. Eliminate the low wage jobs for illegal immigrants, and they will stop coming here illegally.

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consumer1 3 years, 11 months ago

Proud to be a Kansan right now.

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Defixione 3 years, 11 months ago

The fake ID business in Arizona will go platinum.

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Lynn731 3 years, 11 months ago

Long overdue, this should be a Federal law! We need to send all of the illegals home! Thank you, Lynn

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BlackVelvet 3 years, 11 months ago

wait for it......how long before some wet-pants leftiists arrive and announce this is but one more reason to be ashamed of Kansas????

(let 'em move if they're ashamed)

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coldplay 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobach should be deported, he sounds like a Jew or Polack.

The politics of hate. Yeah, steps in the right direction you phucking idiot.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 11 months ago

In Nazi Germany, the "law enforcement" people were given powers to stop and investigate "papers" of any citizen. Those who were considered suspicious or unloyal to the Furher were arrested. Many were taken away at night by "Nacht and Nebel" squads (means "night and fog") Most were not heard from again.

How much longer until the self-appointed "Take our country back militia" begin to anoint themselves upholders of the true and loyal citizens and start to make night raids on "suspected illegals" and haul them off.

They thought it could save the German People from the communists and gypsies and homosexuals. They gave it back to the "Furher"

Who is to say that this might be the mindset of some of those who want to control immigration by any means possible?

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Mean_Green 3 years, 11 months ago

Steps in the right direction for a safer US. Good work Mr. Kobach.

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Richard Payton 3 years, 11 months ago

If I traveled to any country outside the United States and don't provide documents. I would be deported back to the United States.

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