Archive for Friday, April 23, 2010

Lawmakers: Candidates must prove citizenship

April 23, 2010


— Arizona lawmakers expressing doubt over whether President Barack Obama was born in the United States are pushing a bill through the Legislature that would require the president to show his birth certificate to get on the state’s 2012 ballot.

The House passed the measure Wednesday on a 31-29 vote, ignoring protests from opponents who said it’s casting Arizona in an ugly light and could give the elected secretary of state broad powers to kick a presidential candidate off the ballot.

The measure’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Judy Burges of Skull Valley, said she isn’t sure Obama could prove his eligibility for the ballot in Arizona and wants to erase all doubts.

“You have half the population who thinks everything is fine, and you have the other half of the population who has had doubts built up in their mind,” Burges said.

So-called “birthers” have contended since the 2008 presidential campaign that Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born in Kenya, his father’s homeland. The Constitution says that a person must be a “natural-born citizen” to be eligible for the presidency.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 5 months ago

Has the entire Republican Party in Arizona gone insane?

geekyhost 5 years, 5 months ago

I was just making a mental note to stay far, far away from the state. Yikes.

Joe Hyde 5 years, 5 months ago

This measure would have actual legitimacy if the Arizona Legislature had included in it a requirement that any person who files as a candidate for elected state office be required to take a Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) exam whose results must be published in their "fitness for office" political fliers. This would better identify paranoid psychotics and various other sociopathic types prior to Arizona's citizens stepping into ballot boxes and putting them in positions of power.

gphawk89 5 years, 5 months ago

Like the MMPI idea. Or maybe Bob Cloninger's TCI. Almost impossible to fake your way through either one unless you know exactly how the scoring works.

ssakcaj 5 years, 5 months ago

The whole thing is Obama's fault. If it isn't true that he was born in Kenya and that he was born in Hawaii, then by not releasing his birth certificate he has shown poor judgement in allowing this to distract from what he is supposed to be accomplishing. If it's not that big a deal then just show it, the longer you refuse the more weight you give to the "birthers."

boltzmann 5 years, 5 months ago

It is his fault that "birthers" are stupid?

ivalueamerica 5 years, 5 months ago

omg, you win for most ignorant and shameful post of the day.

sweetiepie 5 years, 5 months ago

Good grief! Everybody's seen the copies of Obama's birth certificate. But apparently, just seeing a copy isn't "proof." I'm not sure that if Mr. Obama walked a "birther" into the appropriate Hawaii state office and stood there with the person until a copy of the birth certificate was handed to them, that they would even then believe that he was born in the U.S.

And what about Rep. Burges--has she provided a believable copy of her birth certificate? And what about you ssakcaj? Can you prove that you were born in the U.S.? If the only proof you have is the same as that provided by the Pres., then you need to decide why a copy of your birth certificate would be valid and his isn't. Oh, wait! I know why his certificate is subject to more scrutiny--he looks different from you and Rep. Burges, doesn't he?

feeble 5 years, 5 months ago

ssalcaj, the fact that you have not denied that you did not paint the shout peace graffiti is a clear indication that you are hippy agitator and socialist-sympathizer. Of course, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and John Kennedy were not born in hospitals and would not have had long form birth certificates. Are all actions take and bills signed during their presidencies now null and void?

tomatogrower 5 years, 5 months ago

p> is always fair about what they confirm and don't confirm, be it about Palin or Obama. This argument is settled and the Arizona legislature is insulting the state of Hawaii, yes it's a state. Or maybe his mom knew he was going to run for president and made sure the Hawaii newspapers ran his birth announcements. Or maybe he has a time machine, and he went back and doctored all that stuff. If you don't believe Obama is not our president, then it would be easy for you to believe in time machines. Careful, the walls are watching you. ooooo.

At least Arizona can be the laughing stock of the country for awhile, until Kansas does something stupid again.

Ceallach 5 years, 5 months ago

Why so much angst about the right wing nuts? Has everyone forgotten the left wing nuts trying to say John McCain wasn't natural-born because he was born on a US military base? (The difference being JM's birth was recorded.)

I personally believe that right and left wing nuts live under the same rocks and laugh at all the ridiculous reactions to their "winginess."

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 5 months ago

If you were born in the state of Kansas, the only proof you can provide is the exact same level the state of Hawaii provides.

Sounds like Arizona would have kicked Bob Dole off the ballot.

whats_going_on 5 years, 5 months ago

Arizona is kicking up this dirt a couple years too late.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 5 months ago

This is nothing more than repub Tea Party distraction schemes from the fact that repubs wrecked the economy twice. Once under Reagan/Bush and under Bush/Cheney. It must be republican policy.

somedude20 5 years, 5 months ago

Just remember, you can lead a "birther" to water but you can't make the "birther" drink

Hey yinz guys don't fear people who look different than you

beatrice 5 years, 5 months ago

Arizona is such a beautiful state, run by the stupidest people in politics. God I hope these fools finally get voted out of office this time around.

By the way, I don't recall Arizona Senator John McCain ever showing us the stone tablet that records his birth.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 5 months ago

As a poster mentioned elsewhere, Obama's mother was born in Kansas.

The only record available is a certificate of live birth.

In other words, Obama's mother was also not a citizen.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

If the constitution requires a certain status of citizenship or a certain length of citizenship, it is far from too much to ask for every candidate to prove they meet the criteria by producing certified copies proving their eligibility to state election officials.

I don't see why anyone would be against this.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 5 months ago

"I don't see why anyone would be against this."

Besides the fact that it's a solution to a non-existent problem?

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Why, by all means this is a completely unwarranted and unreasonable demand. How dare they require the same level of proof of citizenship to become the elected leader of this country that any average person had to provide when they signed up for Medicaid, food stamps, or a driver's license! The sheer audacity!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone think this law would have been passed if McCain had been elected instead of Obama?

Just more barely concealed teabagger racism.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Oh, that's right, boohoohoozo - we forgot about the part of the legislation that said only black candidates have to prove who they are.

The last desperate gasp of the typical liberal without an argument - just cry "Racism!"

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 5 months ago

It really wasn't an argument. It was about as close to a statement of fact as a hypothetical can get. If we didn't have a black president today, this law would not have been passed.

But I can understand why a teabagger like you would be defensive about charges of racism.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

"It really wasn't an argument."

No kiddin'. That would make it different from any of your almost 16 thousand other posts how, again?

Sorry, klownie - no defensiveness here, just laughter at your typical pathetic posts. Or maybe you'd like to point out the section of the legislation I referred to? What? You can't? Gee, there's a surprise, your whining race-baiting is nothing more than the product of your adult diaper - as usual.

Have another heaping spoonful of Leonard Pitts' pabulum, boohoohoohoozo. You make him so proud being a mindless buffoon.

Thinking_Out_Loud 5 years, 5 months ago

Sen. Goldwater is certianly rolling over in his grave....

bearded_gnome 5 years, 5 months ago

hey Nota, with all the catterwalling from the far left loons, it reminds me of the quote from Shakespeare: "me thinks he doth protest too much" or words close to that.
if it is no big deal, why the acute defensiveness? I do remember some of the same nutbags trying to claim McCain wasn't a true natural born american citizen.

btw, regarding the newspaper announcements of his birth, tomatosquasher, if the birth record is false, the newspaper announcements spring from that! they are no proof in and of themselves.

also Nota, note that the ranting clown persists in using a sexual vulgarity to describe average american citizens who exercise their constitutional rights. you suppose that shows some desperation, too?

"Skull Valley" hey, that place seriously needs a horror film festival, a mystery writers' convention, a medical examiners' convention, or something. great place name. kinda like Dead Indian Creek.

Randall Barnes 5 years, 5 months ago

impeach OBAMA. i am a democrat and want obama to prove he is legal.come on i mean lets just invite bin ladens cousin or castros brother to come to america and run for president.oh heck why not hitler jr.

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