Archive for Thursday, April 15, 2010

Parkinson vetoes proposed changes to Kansas abortion laws

Two-thirds majority for override lacking

April 15, 2010, 2:16 p.m. Updated April 15, 2010, 2:25 p.m.


— Kansas Gov. Mark Parkinson on Thursday vetoed a bill that rewrites the state’s laws regulating late-term abortions.

The measure struck down by Parkinson would prevent any late-term abortion provider from establishing a practice in Kansas following the May 2009 murder of Dr. George Tiller. Tiller’s Wichita practice was one of the few in the nation performing late-term procedures.

The measure would allow patients or family members to sue doctors if they have evidence an abortion violated state law.

Also, doctors would be required to report more details to the state about abortions performed after the 21st week of pregnancy and involving fetuses considered viable, or able to survive outside the womb.

Legislators approved the bill before taking their spring recess but appeared to lack the two-thirds majority of votes to override the veto. Both chambers return April 28 to resume the legislative session.

Parkinson’s veto follows two late-term abortion measures signed Tuesday by Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman.

One bars abortions at and after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on assertions that fetuses feel pain at that time. The current standard is viability.

That bill is partially meant to shut down one of the few late-term abortion providers in the country, Dr. LeRoy Carhart. Carhart was a friend of Tiller and has expressed interest in reopening Tiller’s practice, leading to the Kansas legislation.

Heineman also signed a bill requiring doctors or other health professionals to assess whether women have risk factors that could lead to mental or physical problems after an abortion.

Tiller’s clinic was among a few in the U.S. performing abortions in the last weeks of pregnancy, and a 1998 Kansas law targeted abortions of viable fetuses after the 21st week of pregnancy.

It permitted such abortions only to save a woman or girl’s life or to prevent “substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.” Doctors must file a report with the state on each procedure.

But the state hasn’t required physicians to list the exact medical diagnosis justifying each abortion, just a statement saying it was necessary to preserve her health. The state has said none of the more than 3,000 late-term abortions of viable fetuses since the law took effect was to save a patient’s life.

Abortion opponents maintain that allowing lawsuits against doctors would help patients and their families hold physicians accountable for substandard care.

Supporters and critics disagree over whether the bill’s contents would be struck down by the courts as unconstitutional.


ferrislives 4 years ago

I found an interesting fact on page 3 of this website about "Partial Birth Abortions" in Kansas:

Along with a count of procedures, it states the following:

"No Partial Birth procedures have been performed in Kansas since October 1999."

That's 11 years ago, so why is everyone always tripping about partial birth abortions in this state?


Darin Wade 4 years ago

another unsound law-making of catholic liberal-(Secular) its a severity to molest chldern but its okay to kill the unborn especially late term..I emailed the pope about Kansas catholics that report cases of abuse but accept killing of the unborn to late-term-unsound .LATE TERM ABORTION IS MURDER-Senseless killing of babies.64%of catholic liberals backed this unsound leader of kansas and have the almighty gall to say "good job...


Richard Heckler 4 years ago

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Richard Heckler 4 years ago

I've never met anyone who was pro abortion. Pro choice is not pro abortion it is simply smart enough to realize that medical procedures/surgeries when necessary are best left performed by those trained to do so in the proper facilities.

Most people we know are pro choice/pro life and pro quality of life. Mothers by nature find it difficult to give up children no matter the circumstances therefore it's best if those decisions be left to the individuals involved. It's is time for the politicians to step aside and leave the practice of medical procedures to the medical profession.

Are politicians the moral giants of our time......hardly! These folks accept corrupt special interest money,they cannot manage the states' finances AND they cannot see that new energy sources = thousands of jobs for Kansas. AND they are against public education AND against providing comprehensive sex/parenting education that could prevent abortions.

Our children could learn to discuss openly:

  • Abortion
  • Birth Control
  • Body Image
  • Emergency Contraception (Morning After Pill)
  • Men's Sexual Health
  • Pregnancy
  • Relationships
  • Sex & Sexuality
  • Sexual Orientation & Gender * Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs)
  • Women's Health

You'd think by now we all would know that without sperm there would no need for pregnancy or abortion. It's time to focus on the male population and maybe come up with not-viagara.


barrypenders 4 years ago

I am not a female. As a male, why do females not apply the 'Pro Choice' criteria during the initiation process of the 'Carnal Knowledge'? It seems to me that if one sticks their hand in a flame, they run the risk of getting burned. So why do females 'Pro Choice' it with their male at the initiation of the 'Carnal Knowledge' process? Is it one of those 'Estrogen' moments that 'Nature' forces a female to 'Pro Choice' it? I think if females could 'Pro Choice' it, eliminating the 'Carnal Knowledge' process, they would aleviate the need to 'Pro Choice' 'Bicker' over the 'Pro Choice' D&C. As a male, I 'Pro Choice' it by not sticking my hand in the flame. Especially pell mell.

I wish that Rosie O could comment on this question.

Stimulus, Pro PAD Choice, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all


AnnaUndercover 4 years ago

No one's objective opinion on this subject matters.

Women will do anything to control their reproductive lives.

You can offer safe, legal abortion and alternatives to it, but even if you don't, a woman whose survival instinct is provoked will react accordingly, regardless of anyone else's opinion.


bleedgreen69 4 years ago

wow, this is a good one....I really like the people that think they know what it is like being a woman.....about to have an unwanted child as a result of rape. Are they the ones that are waiting in the adoption centers waiting to further "save the life" of that child by adopting them right away. What a nice jesture that would be. Probably not! They just think they know what is best for everyone, especially the rape victims, or the young women that don't even know that they were raped because there father or uncle told them it was okay.....come on. Get rid of the good ole' boys mentality.


Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 4 years ago

Was this a mystery to anyone?


kimmydarling 4 years ago

People don't understand what pro-choice means. My mother is pro-choice. She CHOSE to continue gestating and giving birth to three of her four pregnancies. She didn't have her kids because she's pro-life, but because she made the choice to continue them. It's funny the whole "well your mom was pro-life!" comment happens quite a bit, most women I know with kids are vehemently pro-choice.

Why? Because they know what it is to carry a child and then raise it, and they feel each woman should be allowed to choose if that is the path they want or if they wish to terminate. Thank God they maintain their sanity.

Pro-Choice isn't out there screaming Abortions for Everyone! YAY! Some don't even like the idea of pregnancy termination...but they're pro-choice because in the end they know that it is the woman's right to choose and not theirs. They're not pro death, pro-abortion or anti-babies. Simply very much for giving people the choice.


Tex 4 years ago

toe (anonymous) says…

One hundred years from now, this issue will still stir debate and division. Only then, a baby might be viable at 8 weeks.

That's part of the problem with defending abortion. As viability is pushed back, how long can people continue to deny that a baby in the womb is still a baby? Will it be legal to have an abortion on a given Wednesday but criminal to do it the Tuesday before? At what hour of the given day does a baby spring to life? And I would have to disagree with the person who commented (from outside the womb, I'm guessing) that "the law" does not view the fetus as a person. Several states have laws that, in some circumstances, regard a baby in the womb as a person. See:

chic (anonymous) says…

I've said it before and I'll say it again, If YOU don't want one YOU don't have to get one.

Chic, the same language was used to justify legal slavery in the United States.


dfgdge 4 years ago

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barrypenders 4 years ago

I call them 'Dots' Azure_Attitude.

Stimulus, Dot Dot, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you


Azure_Attitude 4 years ago

There's that PAD stuff again! Barry, you still got your period!?!


Kevin Randell 4 years ago

You know, I love to pop in to the LJWorld especially when this debate is in discussion. It makes me laugh how both sides love to attack one another. Bottom line, each person has their reason why they are pro-life or pro-choice. In the end, we will all be accountable for the decisions we make. Like I said, both have their reasons and I respect that we can agree to disagree. I am just glad that ALL of our parents were pro-life. Because if they were pro-choice, to the full extent, we wouldn't be here posting would we? :) Have a good night everyone....oh...and try to be nice to one another. :)


toe 4 years ago

One hundred years from now, this issue will still stir debate and division. Only then, a baby might be viable at 8 weeks.


barrypenders 4 years ago

Birth Control is the utmost important issue for productive 'Carnal Knowledge' among PADs.

Moral Orel people need to just leave PADs alone. Hey, I mean come on. What's the big deal? It's not like there is a 'Shortage' of them living off Big Government.

Stimulus, Carnal Knowledge Free-For-All, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwing bless us all


edjayhawk 4 years ago

artichokeheart (anonymous) says… Parkinson;" as backward as you think"

How is protecting the health of a woman backward?


Agnostick 4 years ago

SettingTheRecordStraight, find "headache" here:

Same for enforcer, who's even more "backwards" than Kansas.


Roadkill_Rob 4 years ago

I'm going to assume that every right wing conservative likes that Governor Parkinson vetoed this bill b/c they don't want any more government regulations infringing on individual rights, correct?


deathpenaltyliberal 4 years ago

"SettingTheRecordStraight (anonymous) says… In Kansas, if a mother claims the baby will cause her a headache, she can get a third-trimester abortion."

This is not true, surely you can do better than that.

Or do you save your best stuff for the fiscal discussions?


newmedia 4 years ago

People can do as they wish within the law. Just don't make everyone else pay for their actions.


parrotuya 4 years ago

A sane leader in a sea of ignorance. Too bad he isn't running for governor.


Amy Heeter 4 years ago

Parkinson;" as backward as you think"


lurn 4 years ago

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demonfury 4 years ago

No surprise here. The ultra liberal murderers continue their rein of killing. I never understood why we have legal murder yet outlaw prostitution, which is nothing more than services rendered, and being charged for. Isn't that what an abortion is? A service being rendered and payment being made? The only difference is that the government can't regulate and tax a prostitute.


Clint Gentry 4 years ago

"mr_right_wing", just silly...your emotional language doesn't stand up to the science behind such medical procedures.


esj2003 4 years ago

I'd love to see the evidence for "it removes a big chuck of that woman's soul." Sounds interesting.


mr_right_wing 4 years ago

Abortion not only destroys an innocent defenseless life,,, It removes a big chunk of that woman's soul... and further deminishes our society's "humanity"...

Infanticide is cold, heartless and wrong.


Jeanne Cunningham 4 years ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, If YOU don't want one YOU don't have to get one.


Ken Lewis 4 years ago

If he is so worried about a woman’s “right to sexual freedom”, why did he sign a new law that allows prosecutors to seize assets in prostitution rings? Is this KS govt’s answer to the budget crisis? Profit from illegal prostitution by seizing assets?

Simply, why is it “a woman’s body” with respect to abortion, but that same body is suddenly govt property with respect to prostitution. It is the same body. Is it hers or not?


SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years ago

"The current standard is viability."

The current standard is nothing.

In Kansas, if a mother claims the baby will cause her a headache, she can get a third-trimester abortion.


whats_going_on 4 years ago

I agree...while I'm pro-choice, I think that unless the health of the mom or baby is in danger, if you're going to get an abortion, do it right away. Its disgusting to wait and then do it later... unnecessary pain for all parties involved.


Newell_Post 4 years ago

Thanks, gov. The theo-fascists who keep pushing this stuff don't even understand their own scriptures.


Steve Jacob 4 years ago

Why even bring this up this year if you know Brownback will sign it next year?


autie 4 years ago

you go boyfriend....


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