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Tea parties, lawmakers envision militia

April 13, 2010

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— Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they’ve discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

Thus far, the discussions have been exploratory. Even the proponents say they don’t know how an armed force would be organized nor how a state-based militia could block federal mandates. Critics also asserted that the force could inflame extremism, and that the National Guard already provides for the state’s military needs.

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chasmo 5 years ago

Oklahoma. The new South Carolina?

lounger 5 years ago

Oklahoma. The ONLY state in the last election where OBAMA lost EVERY county. Deep seated bigotry.

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

If you're not drinking Dear Leader's kool-aid you must be a RACIST!

beatrice 5 years ago

No, you don't NEED to be a racist, but I'm sure it helps.

Only reason Texas doesn't fall into the gulf is because Oklahoma sucks.

independant1 5 years ago

A good compromise, a good piece of legislation, is like a good sentence; or a good piece of music. Everybody can recognize it. They say, 'Huh. It works. It makes sense.' (Barack Obama)

Richard Heckler 5 years ago

Isn't it odd that Teaparty thinkers are dictating to the voting taxpayers that THEIR tax dollars cannot be spent to provide THEIR medical insurance in spite of the fact that tax dollars BELONG to the taxpayers.

Tea Party represents more big government and wrecked state economies:

Beware: TABOR Is Coming After devastating government services in Colorado, the "Taxpayer Bill of Rights" threatens to spread.

BY MICHAEL REBNE

In 1992, after tireless nagging by Grover Norquist and his minions at Americans for Tax Reform, Colorado voters amended the state constitution to strictly limit the government's ability to raise revenue. The Taxpayer Bill of Rights, or TABOR, has forced Colorado to spend the last 13 years writing mandatory rebate checks to taxpayers, while vital education and human-service programs have been nearly choked to death.

According to David Bradley and Nicholas Johnson at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), for example, "between 1991 and 2003--a period in which the percentage of children who are uninsured declined nationally--the proportion of low-income children who lack health insurance in Colorado rose from 15% to 27%. Colorado now ranks 48th in its level of taxpayer support of colleges and universities, down from 35th in 1992."

Despite the pain TABOR has caused in Colorado, some 23 states were facing similar initiatives at the close of 2004. But Norquist's drive shows signs of floundering. "For businesses to be successful you need roads and you need higher education, both of which have gotten worse under TABOR and will continue to get worse," Tom Clark of the Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce told the Washington Monthly. "I'm a Republican," Clark said, "but I made the decision not to give any money to the state party."

Likewise, Colorado Governor Bill Owens is having trouble garnering support from his own party's legislators, most of whom know their constituents no longer believe TABOR is a good thing. The anti-TABOR movement, meanwhile, continues to gain momentum, as the story of Colorado's misery begins to spread nationally.

Funded by the Right http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

georgiahawk 5 years ago

Here is your chance at more than words Barry and Tom! Maybe you guys can be the Kansas Arm of Stupidity! Oh wait, you already are!

oldvet 5 years ago

"Oklahoma. The ONLY state in the last election where OBAMA lost EVERY county. Deep seated bigotry."

Of course, it you voted against the Messiah then you must be a bigot! Typical left-wing thinking.

Yes, they recognize far-left radical arrogance when they see it and they voted against it.

beatrice 5 years ago

No, voting against Obama doesn't make you a bigot. Calling him the Messiah, on the other hand ...

Embrace your inner Oklahoman!

lounger 5 years ago

Isins hopin you could put me straight here oldvet. Im not left wing so yer way off course here hoss. yeeehaw!!!

geekin_topekan 5 years ago

The election of an obviously non-white president, along with a shockingly large Hispanic population which is growing like wildfires, and the unprecedented multicultural face of American politics in general, has a certain group that was once the presumed dominant face of society feeling a little neglected?

mom_of_three 5 years ago

When I read about a state wanting to form a militia to block federal mandates, I think of the 60's, when the national guard was called in to keep schools of being integrated.

tolawdjk 5 years ago

Oh no, we won't be like -those- militias. We will be entirely different. You know we will still have the guns, and the paranoia, and the conspiracy theories, and all of that. But, you know, we won't be "like them". Cept we are forming specifically to fight the federal government. But you know, not "like that".

georgiahawk 5 years ago

You got the 'R' going strong, keep with it, "The Red River Republic of Rednecks".

lounger 5 years ago

yeah bob like I see a very white sea of faces in the tea party=how about you? I dont see very many races represented in the tea party do you???

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

I see the geographically-challenged are out this morning.

bruno2 5 years ago

The ideologically challenged (not to mention editorially challenged) appear to also be out in force.

Moderateguy 5 years ago

More marginalization by attempting to paint all tea party supporters as crazed militia members. You can call me a redneck or bigot if you want; (I'm neither.) The issues being raised about an out of control government and an out of control deficit are not going away. Middle class America is waking up and becoming more active in the political process. People are actually learning about the Constitution and the founding of our nation. Economic and personal freedom is for everybody. Someday, you may be thanking the "redneck racists" for turning this country around.

thebigspoon 5 years ago

OK, educate us. What are the freedoms that are being eroded, exactly. I don't want to hear platitudes, I want answers. Let's hear about what you can not do that has been allowed prior to Obama's election. If ther's a modicum of truth rather than rhetoric in your head, then let's hear it. Otherwise, your words are of no substabnce. If you can help us see a path to perfection, then I'm all for it. Otherwise, confine your drivel to conversations with Fox news.

bruno2 5 years ago

Well, actually, you may think you're not a redneck, but your opinions refute that.

9070811 5 years ago

Barry, I've told you this before. A lot is two words. Never one.

Joe Hyde 5 years ago

The unhinged neo-con radicalism just keeps on coming. Hope they don't get anybody hurt down there.

KawHawk 5 years ago

Oh, good, now I can join the Oklahoma Militia and kill liberals !

Seriously, what do these teabaggers think they're really gonna do ? Forma cadre of brownshirts and lynch some innocent IRS agent ? Kill federal employees ? Form concentration camps for Oklahoma Democrats (a rare breed there).

I mean, someone, please, tell me one concrete, legal action that this Teabagger Militia could do that would justify their existence ?

geekyhost 5 years ago

So you're saying that if the people hold legal elections that don't go your way - and those representative governing bodies do something that is completely legal but contrary to your desires, that instead of using free speech and electoral tools, you will engage in an illegal, violent revolution in order for a minority group to seize power? Wow. That sounds really... treasonous.

somedude20 5 years ago

"The fight is on!" remember guy, the fight goes two ways and I shot way better than a "pizzabox"

thebigspoon 5 years ago

I am sick to death of you and your ilk labeling anyone who questions you or--God forbid--asks for a realitty check, being called "liberals", as if this were the worst epithet possible. You sit at your computer and pontificate at length on every issue that comes along and make no effort to show how we have fewer freedoms now than before, how our country is going to the dogs, ad nauseum, but have said exactly nothing that leads me to believe that you have a clue as to the way in which a republic such as ours really works. One thing that does not work is carping daily about things that are the natural outgrowth of electing people to do the work we have no taste for. Another is ceaseless complaining without reasonable cures for those supposed ills of which you complain. GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING SPECIFIC. Meanwhile, continue your course of silliness. You make great reading for those who actually think.

georgiahawk 5 years ago

Tom is just the crazy cat-man. Everything he says comes out as nonsense! It is funny... but also pathetic!

KawHawk 5 years ago

You haven't answered the question ! Again, tell me one concrete, legal action that this Teabagger Militia could do. Tar-and-feather the local HHS representative ? Flog the wildlife biologists down at the Wichita Mtns. Refuge ?

MyName 5 years ago

Defend it from who or what? Is there an existential threat to Oklahoma that we are unaware of? Are they going to have their property or liberty seized without due process (which is the only constitutional guarantee)?

Militias aren't group hug groups meant to make people feel safer. They're people with guns. If they don't have a reason to exist, then they're worse than Police or the National Guard who at least have civilian government to oversee them.

KawHawk 5 years ago

"They can defend their lives, liberty and property." OK, that's not specific. That's a generalization, an over-riding theme. A goal, or objective. Now give me a tactic. Give me a specific action/activity that these folks would do. As in, "OK, guys, today we're going to ____." What ?

Otherwise it's just a buncha fat whiny rednecks wanking off in the woods with their guns.

Graczyk 5 years ago

No, the man would be dead, the militia would be dead and the parking lot would be full of cars. High school wet dream starring cowboys and guns.

Graczyk 5 years ago

I like naked cowboys, what can I say?

But really, do you think that result will stand every time?

verity 5 years ago

You didn't finish the story. What happened to the Amish?

verity 5 years ago

I was able to find the Amish story you are talking about. They settled the matter peacefully. Not an anecdote you perhaps should have used in arguing for a militia.

verity 5 years ago

But the militia are threatening violence and force---to have things their way. The Amish, of course, never did that.

verity 5 years ago

"I think it's rather sad that you have such a view of your fellow citizens." said the kettle to the pot.

verity 5 years ago

Just saying---you shouldn't be using the Amish in this argument because they stand for exactly the opposite of what you are arguing.

tomatogrower 5 years ago

So where were these teabag people when Bush more than doubled the deficit, and most of that money went to mercenary "private contractors" and to Iraq. At least President Obama is spending some of our money here on Americans. Or do you prefer sending it to other countries instead? That sounds a lot like treason too. At the very least it doesn't sound patriotic.

bruno2 5 years ago

So where were you when Bush took an inherited budget surplus and turned it into a deficit in less then 12 months, then proceeded to drive the national debt over the trillion dollar mark? Seriously, were you asleep at the wheel?

Graczyk 5 years ago

This is just an excuse for some dudes to dance naked around a big pile of guns in the moonlight.

I love that quote from the end of the article that says how the idea's supporters aren't sure how a state-based militia could block federal mandates.

What are they going to do? "Hey, cancer patient, that health care you just got there that exceeded the old lifetime insurance cap. We want that back. And you, diabetic, stop injecting that government insulin that you got because a federal mandate said that insurance companies couldn't discriminate against your preexisting condition."

These people lack humanity.

bruno2 5 years ago

Good post. Did you see the latest from Focus on the Family that says we need to stop supporting illegitimate kids, who they referred to as "bastards"...

Graczyk 5 years ago

I think those folks need to read their Bibles again. They seem to have run off the track somewhere along the line.

remember_username 5 years ago

If you sit quietly you can hear the enemies of the U.S.A. snickering at this news. I'm sure it must feel pretty good watching an enemy you cannot defeat, defeat themselves.

BigPrune 5 years ago

This is a condensed article. Even the Tea Party leaders said it sounded scary.

But, Obama called for a civilian national security force so perhaps his blueshirts could have a job. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmecy...

Of course, it took a lot of searching to find this link, since youtube is owned by Google, and Google influences your search results since the owners of youtube are big Obama backers.

bruno2 5 years ago

Hey Prune, see geekyhost's post above with the fact check link. You might actually learn some truth instead of wingnut perversions and smoke screens...

9070811 5 years ago

I would like for those envisioning a TeaBag militia to consider and examine the effects of militias in the Middle East. Then I'd like them to consider whether that is something they'd like to create in our homeland. If one starts, so will another... I think most of prefer that this country not split itself even further than it already has. A mass chaos (extreme situation) is not desirable. If the TeaBags would like to be labeled an extremist group or even a terrorist group then sure they should go forth with their militia. Let's think of other groups like Skin Heads who have their special little militias.

Doesn't anyone remember the last time we had a Tea Party?

chzypoof1 5 years ago

Yes, I do. It was to fight taxation without representation from the Brits. We need an uprising to fight the crazy spending and laws that ripping away our rights. EVERYONE needs to take their right wing/left wing blinders off and realize that it's not a "party" thing....it's going to affect EVERYONE. Your rights started going away with BUSH, and Obama is just continuing it.

The militia they are trying to form is symbolic. The forming of a regulated militia is protected by the 2nd ammendment, to protect against the Federal Govt abusing their power. They ARE! You people need to open your eyes and realize that the American Idol society you live in is a sham.

And....quit using "conspiracy theories" as your excuse for telling someone they are wrong. The Patriot Act is NOT a conspiracy theory. It's law. And it strips our rights away....

I hope for a political revolution within my lifetime. Someone needs to do something....the polarization of this great country is tearing us apart, and leaving us vulnerable to government takeover of our entire lives. For my kids, I really hope.....

poof

geekyhost 5 years ago

That whole romantic notion of being patriotic and fighting taxation without representation sounds great... Except that we now have representation. You know, those people we elected? Hey, not all of them are the ones I voted for, but I did get to vote. Heck, we even have more rights now than we did then. Or at least I do, since, did I mention, I got to vote?

I'm not keen on the Patriot Act, myself, but I'm thinking an armed militia is a)not going to be able to do a thing to stop it and b) will quite possibly make it worse by justifying backlash.

A far more effective method is to use free speech and non-violent political pressure to make it be known that you want the Patriot Act to be amended. That's something you'd get support on both the left and right to do.

We managed to accomplish quite a lot without resorting to civil war more than once, and I'd personally like to keep it that way.

chzypoof1 5 years ago

Free speech doesn't work when it's blocked. You have to have a "permit" to protest now. Quit being afraid of a well regulated group, which is what is protected, and stand up for your rights. You also can't "pressure" the corrupt when they are ALL bought off by lobbyists (both sides of the aisle)....

And 9070811....I can't even begin to tell you how wrong your comments are. Socialism is NEVER the solution...hold on to your pipe dream that the healthcare plan will help us...but I guess you just enjoy the handouts....(disgust)

You

9070811 5 years ago

Yah well I'm perfectly fine with socialistic tendencies. I hope our kids get healthcare when they're sick and you become unemployed.

The price of imported tea was actually reduced. Which threatened the domestic tea sellers. So, it is a lot like capitalism. Which is what we do to other countries when the IMF and World Bank impose Structural Adjustment policies.
Anywho, Benjamin Franklin stated that all the tea that was destroyed must be repaid for. It wasn't so great after all. Learn real history.

bruno2 5 years ago

WHAT? Lordy, you get more crazy and obscure with each post!

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

907, there is a difference between the Tea Party movement (which is political) and the behavior known as teabagging (which is done for sexual gratification). Both have their followers, but the two things are not the same. Would you care for a practical demonstration?

KawHawk 5 years ago

There's actually no difference. Both are done by sad, pathetic losers for self-gratification and no productive purposes.

beatrice 5 years ago

So the Tea Party had Sarah Palin talk at their gathering for political reasons? Wow, that is surprising news to me.

beatrice 5 years ago

We used to put American Indians on Reservations in the Southwest. I guess we can start putting American Rednecks in Oklahoma. I'm sure it won't hurt the property values of that fine state.

Liberty275 5 years ago

"I guess we can start putting American Rednecks in Oklahoma."

Any of you willing to stand up and define in your own your words what exact you think a redneck is?

I'm a redneck, a cracker and deep down inside a hick. I'm proud to be all three because they are my heritage.

Kontum1972 5 years ago

lets see a militia against a Abrams M-1 tank or a couple of bradley fighting vehicles and a couple of Apache attack helicopters....guess who will win?

yankeevet 5 years ago

No quarter asked; no quarter given.............jayhawker.....

George Lippencott 5 years ago

Crazy people do crazy things! Are these people an example of those in opposition to Democratic Party initiatives or are they a small number of out of bounds citizens?

IMHO it is getting harder to sort that question in articles like this (particularly the lead in). That is not good? Clear, literal, accurate and precise should be the bible of our journalists – all of them.

beatrice 5 years ago

I guess with the recent arrests, nine positions in militia managment just opened up.

vertigo, no, I have not confused baggers with militia types -- I'm just poking fun because I can.

gogoplata 5 years ago

I like the idea of state militias over a large federal military force. I would think some antiwar liberals would like the idea as well. With a state militia under the control of the state and not the federal govt. Presidents like Bush wouldn't have the option of fighting stupid wars because the states could refuse to participate.

tomatogrower 5 years ago

These militia guys should be careful. Just because we are liberals, doesn't mean we don't know how to shoot a gun. Beatrice, on NPR yesterday, I heard Michigan militia people actually helped to turn in these nut cases.

ENGWOOD 5 years ago

Tom Shew... God Bless YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Mike Ford 5 years ago

I think that the 39 federally recognized Indian tribes of Oklahoma should bring back their light horsemen brigades from the U.S. Civil War and repeal the Dawes Allotment Act and eject anyone who isn't Indian from the territories. Send all of the descendants of the INTRUDERS as they were listed in Indian Territory prior to 1906 back where they came from. Nothing better than having a bunch of land thieves declaring rebellion against the government that stole the land for them to live on in the first place. As with American History and Tea Partiers, it's nice to see denialistic contradictions at work.

O Barry repeater of nonsense, Chahta imanumpa ish anumpula hinla hon? I didn't think so? My language was used as a code language in World War One. Leave Choctaws and Navaho people out of your nonsense rants.

Chi pisa li chinni Nahollo okpulo.

beatrice 5 years ago

Anointed One? Gee Tom, you really do hate elections, don't you?

9070811 5 years ago

Tom, do you have a job that requires work during regular business hours? Just curious.

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

Relax and have a sugar-free popsicle, paulette. It's a cool and fruity treat you can enjoy while thinking about Astroturf and drainage.

Mike Ford 5 years ago

better yet, give oklahoma back to the choctaw, chickasaw, muscogee, miami, modoc, osage, otoe-missouria, ottawa, wyandotte, delaware, western delaware, eastern shawnee, absentee shawnee, loyal shawnee, cherokee, kituwah cherokee, kialegee creek, thloplocco creek, seminole, chickasaw, caddo, wichita, tonkawa, apache, fort sill apache, comanche, cheyenne arapaho, kiowa, kaw, ponca, Iowa, Sac and Fox, Kickapoo, quapaw, peoria, seneca-cayuga, alabama-quassarte, pawnee, and citizen band potawatomi, and tell the crazy caucasians to leave.

TopJayhawk 5 years ago

Most conservatives (true ones) were apalled at what Bush did, especially toward the end of his administration.
Obama is no surprise. All you had to do was look at his life. It was all right there. Liberal, anti-American. socialist to the extreme.
And now it is all playing out.
IF the country goes too far away from the Constitiution, the document gives us the right to throw out that gov. and institute a new one.
It could happen.
Remember Officers of the Military swear an oath to the Constitution, not to the President. (this is a check and balance that is there for a specific reason.) A lot will depend on what the old crusty three and four stars would do. They command the divisions and Corps of our military.

TopJayhawk 5 years ago

Liberty. First we would need to enlist the help of Missouri. They have a lot of expeirience raping pillaging and burning towns down.

independant1 5 years ago

I thought the pillaging came first.

asbury 5 years ago

Militia=Very, very, very bad idea.

gogoplata 5 years ago

This nation owes a lot to the militia. They played a big role in the original revolution.

beatrice 5 years ago

Yep, and the world and our country haven't changed one bit since then.

Why do so many conservatives despise our military? Always thinking we need a militia to combat the military -- pathetic.

remember_username 5 years ago

This is a really exciting time to be alive, and it's only going to get crazier! Thank you, thank you all.

beatrice 5 years ago

Tom, in the first election since the passing of the health care bill, a Florida Democrat, Ted Deutch, just won a vacant seat in the House by a margin of 62 to 35 percent, with an independent getting the remaining 3 percent. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/13/us/AP-US-Congress-Wexlers-Seat.html?_r=1&ref=politics

A win by a Democrat over a Republican since the health care bill passed. Ouch.

Maybe your November predictions won't come to pass after all.

tommy? tommy? Tommy can you hear me?

notajayhawk 5 years ago

As Tom alluded to, district races are hardly as reflective as state-wide or national ones. How are those going, bea?

I believe you wanted to know what the polls would say about Dear Leader after his healthcare 'victory'? Well, the results are in, dearie:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ap_poll_democratic_woes

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's national standing has slipped to a new low after his victory on the historic health care overhaul, even in the face of growing signs of economic revival, according to the latest Associated Press-GfK poll.

Just 49 percent of people now approve of the job Obama's doing overall, and less than that — 44 percent — like the way he's handled health care and the economy.

The news is worse for other Democrats. For the first time this year, about as many Americans approve of congressional Republicans as Democrats — 38 percent to 41 percent — and neither has an edge when it comes to the party voters want controlling Congress. Democrats also have lost their advantage on the economy; people now trust both parties equally on that, another first in 2010.

Bea, dearie? Bea? Dearie, can you hear me?

Richard Payton 5 years ago

The left didn't complain when JC Watts wasn't re-elected in Oklahoma. Now when people form to explore options they no longer call them left wing town hall meetings but right wing militia gatherings.

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

In other news: “New Hampshire Democrats are engaged in a statewide search for liberal activists willing to attend so-called tea parties on Thursday and carry signs expressing racist or fringe sentiments, a Democratic source with knowledge of the effort tells NowHampshire.com. According to the source, who sought anonymity for fear of reprisals, the Dems’ last minute scramble reflects a growing obsession among party leaders that they need to discredit the tea party movement soon or it will overwhelm them come the November election. Former Democratic State Party Chairman Kathy Sullivan is heading up the search, the source said. Sullivan has been calling and e-mailing liberal activists trying to get them to attend tea parties in different parts of the state and hold signs denying the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and make racially disparaging comments to reporters. “This is Kathy’s [Sullivan] project,” the source told NowHampshire.com. “She is absolutely obsessed with painting the tea party people as racists.” Similar “crash the tea party” efforts are taking place throughout the country on Tax Day. If she pulls it off, this won’t be the first time Sullivan has endeavored to manufacture a racist controversy regarding the tea party movement. Last month Sullivan and other Democratic leaders attempted to portray a “white pride” rally in Concord held by a Massachusetts-based white supremacist organization as a tea party. Sullivan was forced to retract her bogus accusation….” http://www.nowhampshire.com/2010/04/14/source-state-dems-scrambling-to-deploy-tea-party-%E2%80%98crashers%E2%80%99/

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

"But that's obviously swept under the rug (in her mind) when it comes making a choice between upholding an oath or raking in the greenbacks." Didn't Dear Leader promise the people of Illinois that he'd serve a full term as a US Senator?

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

Dude, I hope you're getting the sugar-free Flavor-Aid, otherwise your dentist is gonna hate you.

beatrice 5 years ago

Tom, you mean the Scott Brown who single handedly stopped the health bill from passing? That Scott Brown?

And I see you still obsessing over a half term former governor and current television host. If that is the best the Republicans have to offer ... a former nude model and a former beauty contestant -- yep, you Republicans sure are obsessed with looks all right. Now, if you only had a clue about policies.

Corey Williams 5 years ago

barrypenders (anonymous) says… "I'm with Mahmoud." April 8, 2010 at 4:49 p.m.

beatrice 5 years ago

Tom, your hyperbole is too funny. No other humans lower -- really? For wanting to make sure people receive health care? Oh, what monsters! Gee, and Obama -- I mean, everything was so wonderful when he started, and look what he has done to our perfect country!

Your predictions continue to be lame and incorrect, so feel free to think the Dems are in freefall. Hopefully when Obama is reelected, you will have sense not to actually jump off the bridge, because you are setting yourself up for a pretty big letdown, especially this year when people remember who the party of NO-vember really is.

bruno2 5 years ago

What's the best thing to come out of Oklahoma? I-40.

Wingnuts: "The President, the President! The Constitution, the Constitution!" Oops, the record's stuck, oops, the record's stuck, oops, the record's stuck...

Corey Williams 5 years ago

barrypenders (anonymous) says… "I'm with Mahmoud." April 8, 2010 at 4:49 p.m.

Mike Ford 5 years ago

O Barry PAD Caller, those tribes had that land to begin with. Casinos came along after the greedy people came and brought their religion and their insanity into Oklahoma, which was named by my tribe. Many tribes have per capita, as required by the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988 and the National Indian Gaming Commission. I always count on the loudest uneducated people to say the wrongest things. The more they things the rest of the dumber people follow along. You posted a while ago, but unlike many of these other people I have a day job.

notajayhawk 5 years ago

beatrice (anonymous) replies…

"Your predictions continue to be lame and incorrect, so feel free to think the Dems are in freefall."

Speaking of lame and incorrect, dearie, from the link I posted above, the headline:

"AP-GfK Poll: Obama slips, other Dems slide, too"

Obama's lowest approval rating ever - AFTER his 'historic' healthcare plan passed (seems he didn't get the lift you predicted). And the rest of the Dems following him down the drain.

At least the voters seem to remember who the party of 'Don't know' is, bea, sweetie.

tomatogrower 5 years ago

A lot of people are saying that the right to own a gun is being trampled. Can you tell me any legislation passed this year that has done that? Of course, if you are an ex con or a nutjob you can't legally own a gun, but they still manage to get them. They just get in trouble when they are caught. But I'm talking about the everyday person. I mean we even have the right of concealed carry now. If you're too stupid to go to the classes to get your license, maybe you shouldn't have a gun. It's those people who think they are hotshots and have never taken a gun safety course who scare me. And they would probably join a militia to be all macho. oooo, I'm scared. (sarcasm alert)

notajayhawk 5 years ago

Except it's not where most of our tax dollars go. Depending on who you want to listen to, defense spending is between 16 and 30% of the federal budget, and little or none of the states'.

Good suggestion, just wrong target - let's send the welfare recipients to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. That okay with you?

gogoplata 5 years ago

The militia believe in protecting liberty.

Fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with protecting liberty.

If you want to put your life on the line for no good reason you could sign up to go fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.

bruno2 5 years ago

I like it pro. Total defense spending for 2010 is about $1.2 trillion. Total budget is about $3.5 trillion. Cutting a third of our expenses would go a long way to getting our own country back together. The only thing I would worry about would be the boom in the squirrel population in OK and the southern belt.

independant1 5 years ago

Military spending in US is about 4% of GDP.

And I might add funds much needed $ for basic research at colleges and universities.

independant1 5 years ago

Ever heard of Flouridation? It's a commie plot, please make me a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater. (Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper)

Wasn't he an Okie with Cherokee blood?

independant1 5 years ago

Indians and primitive races were the highest civilized because they were more satisfied and they depended less on each other and took less from each other. (Will Rogers)

esteshawk 5 years ago

Art II, Section 2: the President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States . . .

bruno2 5 years ago

Interesting and informative snap, thanx for the post. It's good to see some wingers can spot the loonies among their crowd. However, the author lost considerable credibility when he brought up the Obama quote about a civilian force. Taken totally out of context it sounds like a militia. A little research reveals he was talking about the Peace Corp and AmeriCorps.

independant1 5 years ago

When the Oakies left Oklahoma and moved to California, it raised the I.Q. of both states. (Will Rogers)

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