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Developers planning $9.5 million, seven-story building for downtown Lawrence

An architectural rendering of a proposed seven-story building from the perspective of Ninth and New Hampshire Streets.

An architectural rendering of a proposed seven-story building from the perspective of Ninth and New Hampshire Streets.

April 2, 2010, 4:23 p.m. Updated April 2, 2010, 4:51 p.m.

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An architectural rendering of a proposed seven-story building, looking from the corner of Ninth and New Hampshire Streets.

Proposed seven-story building at Ninth and New Hampsire

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Plans are in the works for a $9.5 million, seven-story, mixed-use downtown building that would rival the height of the U.S. Bank Tower.

Plans submitted for apartments near downtown

The building would be seven stories tall and on the corner of Ninth and New Hampshire streets. Enlarge video

City Hall leaders Friday were reviewing a proposal for the project slated for Ninth and New Hampshire streets — the vacant lot immediately east of the U.S. Bank Tower.

“I think this could be a fantastic project,” said Lawrence businessman Doug Compton, who is leading the development group. “I don’t think downtown has seen a project like this for quite awhile.”

The project would include 55 apartments — a mixture of studios, one-bedroom and two-bedroom units — on the top five floors. The second floor would be reserved for an office user. Compton said preliminary plans call for his First Management company to occupy the space, which would add about 50 employees to the downtown work force.

The ground floor would be retail. A health and fitness club and a restaurant are the leading proposed uses at the moment.

“Downtown definitely needs more living units, and this is a real good area for it,” said Mike Treanor, a Lawrence architect who also is a member of the development group.

Compton said he envisions the project attracting a mix of young-professionals and retirees who want to live in downtown but don’t necessarily want to own a condo.

“The downtown apartment market has been very strong,” Compton said.

The building is proposed to tie into the existing city-owned, three-story public parking garage that is immediately south of the site. Plans call for the two structures to be connected by new interior openings.

The building would be one of the tallest in downtown. Plans submitted to the city show the building at a little more than 180 feet tall. That would make it just a few feet shorter than the U.S. Bank Tower, the tallest building on Massachusetts Street.

“We have tried to hit all the historic guidelines and make sure it will be appropriate for that intersection,” Treanor said.

Compton said the development group has not made a final decision to proceed on the project. But construction bids on the project went out this week, and Compton said a final decision to build is expected in about 60 days. Treanor said the group filed the plans with the city now to show city leaders what was possible on the site.

The property already is zoned for downtown commercial development. The project would need to go through the normal site plan and historic review processes.

If deemed feasible, the project could begin construction in the fall.

Comments

Jeremy DeBoard 5 years, 3 months ago

How nice. A building that could support housing the homeless, that has a whole floor to be devoted to social services for those boarded, and even a floor for a soup kitchen.

If only.

Joe Hyde 5 years, 3 months ago

The KU rowing crew facility on the bank of the Kansas River at Burcham Park takes $6 million to build...and now we're told that a 7-story mixed-use highrise can be built in the heart of downtown Lawrence for $9.5 million?

I think somebody needs to change the batteries in their pocket calculator.

cowboy 5 years, 3 months ago

Not only no , hell no . Sounds like Dougie wants to use the tax payers parking garage as his own personal annex. 55 apartments means 110 cars that have to park somewhere , is he building an under ground garage ? Not to mention 50 more cars for his employees , plus the traffic the ground level retail will generate.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, with no clear plan for parking, this seems kinda stoopid.

"How nice. A building that could support housing the homeless, that has a whole floor to be devoted to social services for those boarded, and even a floor for a soup kitchen.

If only."

Get out your checkbook if you want to make that happen. Compton and his buddies HAVE the means to make this work for themselves. Find the means to make your dream work.

The "we hate the rich" mantra in this town is getting so old. Let me get it started: Compton is of the devil. There, I said it, so now you don't have to.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 3 months ago

I am betting the retail part will be empty. Anyway, are the Hobbs lofts full or near full?

Deb Stavin 5 years, 3 months ago

Actually, we have seen a very similar project: Hobbs Taylor Lofts, which after several years still hasn't leased all of its retail spaces, or sold all of its condos.

I wonder how much rent Compton plans to charge for the apartments.

tomatogrower 5 years, 3 months ago

Not until he cleans up or sells his other downtown properties.

nobody1793 5 years, 3 months ago

We should put a professional domed sports arena on New Hampshire St., and then tear it down to build a space station where we can land our flying saucers.

JHawker 5 years, 3 months ago

We need to first attract businesses to the currently empty buildings downtown such as the building previously occupied by Maurice's before we should even consider adding more retail space. And more apartments? This sounds like a poorly thought-out idea, especially with the minimal parking space we have downtown.

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

will it have a petting zoo? will it have attack zebras? compton...everything that is wrong in this once fine city.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"NO TIF (Tax increment financing)!!!!"

I'll second that. And they should also have to compensate the buildings to the north for reduction in southern exposure, which will be a significant resource in the next 5-10 years as rooftop solar panels proliferate.

Bottomline-- Compton doesn't need anyone to subsidize his latest monument to himself.

Alexander Neighbors 5 years, 3 months ago

Where are the cell towers in the picture ? This picture is leaving stuff out !

Phil Minkin 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm against it because it will take away the summer movie viewing space.

ModerateOne 5 years, 3 months ago

BruceWayne (anonymous) says… will it have a petting zoo? will it have attack zebras? compton...everything that is wrong in this once fine city.


Will it have a stable payroll and safe working conditions? Will it contribute a huge amount of tax revenue to the economy helping neighborhood schools and social service agencies and a wonderful University to survive? Compton...thankfully a part of this fine city.

kugrad 5 years, 3 months ago

Then the residents of the tower will complain about noise whenever there are downtown street events, so say goodbye to those. I don't mind if they build it, just so long as they don't get any tax breaks to do it. We can't afford to give away tax breaks to business people who are planning to do what they are planning to do whether they have to pay taxes or not.

puddleglum 5 years, 3 months ago

yeah! finally something BIG D does that I can support!

I was very disappointed in doug for supporting the wal-mart deal, after all, it is right by his complex! and his icky association with Bill Newsome (yuk).

but this is cool.

downtown has lost its flavor long ago. who cares? drill baby, drill! soon Big D will own most of downtown and we can change the name to "Comptonville power & light district" TIZZZZNIGHT!

LivedinLawrence4Life 5 years, 3 months ago

That looks like an excellent project to me! It will end up costing more by the time they are done. It looks like a really cool design for the location. Hobbs Taylor lofts sold out and a few are up for re-sale but this is a different concept since Hobbs Taylor discourages rentals and these would all be for lease for those who want to live downtown but don't want to buy. It would be cool to live between downtown and the Arts Center like that. If it isn't financed by government dollars then it's not the public's choice as to whether or not the project is financially viable or needed. If it meets the zoning requirements, which it likely will next to the huge U.S. Bank building, then let them build it and pay $300,000 a year in property taxes. The state needs the money! If they'll put a grocery or convenience store in the building, then perhaps those who live downtown wouldn't have to go out of downtown for groceries. We need more commercial projects like this to expand the Lawrence tax base to keep city, county, and state budgets to the point where our vital services can be provided.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Will it have adequate Astroturf and drainage?

ralphralph 5 years, 3 months ago

Bring 'em downtown. Keep 'em off the SLT.

mgray 5 years, 3 months ago

Does anyone know which side of the street, east of west? Looks like the east side from the renderings. I support the idea of continued development downtown. Lawrence is an excellent example of a thriving downtown, no other town in Kansas compares.

GardenMomma 5 years, 3 months ago

What is the resident demographic that he hopes to attract?
Families? Where will the children go to school? New York Elementary?

College students? How can they afford the rent? Will he condone partying in the apartments?

Retired renters? Will they want to live downtown with all the bars and after hours commotion?

I think this needs some serious reconsideration before building this huge building.

urthatguy66044 5 years, 3 months ago

This really does sound like the worst idea i have ever heard of... I agree with others that say focusing on the already empty buildings downtown is more important than building new ones!!! I hope the city cosiders its citizens opinions on this before giving grand master doug the go ahead...! Totally redic!!!

Chuck Wehner 5 years, 3 months ago

The last part of this story doesn't make a lot of sense, I don't think they would put the project out for bids from contractors before they had final approval from the city.

steveguy 5 years, 3 months ago

Just what we need more buildings when we have so many vacant buildings now. And we sure don't need it down town. But this is the city at work. Must be Lawrence.

gccs14r 5 years, 3 months ago

It looks like a monstrosity. It also sounds like he's counting on the residents being able to park in the parking garage. Great. Just what we need downtown is less available parking for shoppers. Doug already owns most of downtown, right? Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to add new blight until he cleans up some of his existing blight.

Kookamooka 5 years, 3 months ago

Some one needs to look into the tax write-offs these developers get when they leave properties boarded up, creating blight. (Masonic Lodge Hint hint) there is so much un-rented multi family housing in this town. (courtesy of Compton) It looks like his cronies need places to party when they come to Lawrence for Basketball games. Condos are too much committment, and hotel rooms are too public.

SeaFox 5 years, 3 months ago

"The building is proposed to tie into the existing city-owned, three-story public parking garage that is immediately south of the site. Plans call for the two structures to be connected by new interior openings."

Translation: The people who rent the apartments will be taking up parking in the CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED parking garage. Say goodbye to some of those upper floor (but below roof-level) parking spaces.

JustNoticed 5 years, 3 months ago

tomatogrower (anonymous) says… Not until he cleans up or sells his other downtown properties.

What a good idea. Approval should be conditioned on concurrent plans to do something with some of the eyesores he has created like the Masonic Temple. Something besides burning it down.

JustNoticed 5 years, 3 months ago

Apartments downtown, you know, not inherently a bad idea. But, you know, it's Compton, he can't be trusted. You know that at least there's sand in the Vaseline.

Reid Hollander 5 years, 3 months ago

Why does everyone assume residents will be parking in the city garage. Isn't it much more likely that it will have its own parking for residents/tenants and will also be connected to the garage for visitors/patrons.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

First Management does seem to either buy or build into its' portfolio..... vacancies. Vacant properties are at a cost to the tax payers. Vacant properties only generate personal property taxes if they are paid which seems to be a problem in Douglas County/Lawrence,Kansas. Vacant properties do not provide jobs or sales taxes.

How can this be a problem? City tax dollar spending is determined by PROJECTED tax dollar generation or estimates based on the number of square feet retail,office,industrial,light industrial etc etc etc vacant or not. If more is spent than can be generated guess what.... our taxes and user fees increase aka increased cost of living.

Compounding the over building problem: "If residential growth paid for itself and was financially positive, we would not be in a budget crunch. But with increased numbers of houses you have increased demand on services, and historically the funding of revenues generated by single-family housing does not pay for the services, they require from a municipality.”

New downtown residential needs to provide parking rather than eat up TIF public parking that is a money losing venture. City offices aka tax dollars are occupying the majority of that space. Downtown employees need a place to park.

The concept does not seem so bad as long as there is a real market. Taxpayers cannot afford failed projects.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

Lawrence Taxpaying Voters should weed out the city hall “Free Lunch” programs. The heart of the wealth transfer is tax increment financing (TIF). Schools, parks, recreation programs, and libraries are starved. City government would be far better served putting the money in upgrades to local downtown mom and pop businesses.

"Free Lunch" programs could be Tax Increment Financing,Tax abatements,Tax Rebates. Tax dollar money losers for sure. Brings on tax and user fee increases. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_how_the_wealthiest_americans

"Tax abatements do not attract firms or retain business. The enforcement of tax abatements in Lawrence is shameful with the majority of abated firms failing to perform as promised and the City doing nothing. It makes Lawrence the laughing stock of site selection officers. Yet our employee, the Chamber of Commerce, continues to advocate for this failed program. "

"Free Lunch" aka local big government corporate welfare.

$9.5 million does not seem enough for a well built multi residential structure that will last 200 years. Will it meet LEED specifications? Lawrence has a glut of office space. City hall taxpayers cannot be the savior when projects go sour. Economic Impact Study available?

The concept does not seem so bad as long as there is a real market. Again Taxpayers cannot afford failed projects.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

There is a lot of optimism on new construction based on the retirement community. This is not Boulder,San Antonio,Brownsville,San Diego,Miami,KCMO/JOCO,Outer Banks,Phoenixville,Pa or Burlington,Vermont. Rumor has it that even our local developers hang out in Florida.

More bars is not the answer. Apparently Lawrence/Douglas County is the largest consumer of alcohol in the state....hmmmmmmmm.

Business Week in an article about Art as an industry that generates spending did suggest "follow the money". Now Lawrence needs to develop Art as an industry. Not just talk about it.

BigPrune 5 years, 3 months ago

Where will the police park all their cruisers now that they take up the majority of the spaces in the garage? Does the City then, rent from themselves?

Hobbs Taylor South looks nice. Looks like a great place to party and live and live to party.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

Instead of office space:

Set up the health gym and a laundromat in the office space

Make The Merc an offer they can't refuse for a small downtown grocery store on the first floor.

The above will likely pay back and quicker.

tomatogrower 5 years, 3 months ago

stream47 (anonymous) says… Go ahead and build. Just as long as no tax dollars go to finance the project, and it pays taxes, it's fine by me.

And he cleans up and sells his other downtown properties. I'm not against this idea, just the man who has helped downtown become somewhat blighted, then gotten people to blame it on the homeless.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, Pil, not everyone is a cancer fan the way you are. Growth is never free-- it always comes at a cost, and Compton has no compunctions about spreading those costs to whomever he can, while keeping any profits to himself.

sciencegeek 5 years, 3 months ago

“I think this could be a fantastic project,” said Lawrence businessman Doug Compton, who is leading the development group.

Of course it could be fantastic--for you. Developers develop, make their money, and we're left with the results. What do they care if the apartments are unoccupied, the retail space is empty, and another eyesore detracts from the area--they got theirs. And if they can sucker the taxpayers into sweetening the pot--even better.

gccs14r 5 years, 3 months ago

Every time Compton's name comes up, I'm reminded of the Brad Wesley character from "Road House."

Kat Christian 5 years, 3 months ago

Why provide space for retail when we can't even fill the stores downtown that are boarded up? We don't need another restaurant. I think it sneaky of Compton to "tie into the parking garage" for the use of his building that will take up parking spaces for the people who already use this garage. I moved to this town to get away from "tall building" - if I want to live near a City I'd move back to DC. Let's leave Lawrence Downtown quaint as it is and work on getting those boarded up shops filled with retail. No more eateries or bars please. Compton go put your building someplace else.

JustNoticed 5 years, 3 months ago

Good point, Pilgrim2, about the evil of "highest and best use". But why do you obstinately state growth choices as only vertical or horizontal? Those axes have to do with sprawl but leave out consideration of whether the community needs more such space. And that has to do with blight. Sprawl and blight, it's a little more complicated than applauding a prevaricating entrepreneur wannabe just for building vertically.

openyourmind 5 years, 3 months ago

i've been out of lawrence for seven years now, only visiting from time to time on account of the rampant success of the most evil person in town. back in the day, we all knew about doug e. doug's sketchy behavior and business practices. that is why so many people are mad at him. not because he is rich and helping economic development, but because his first few business choices did in fact come from a place of evil. a bad person should not be building this town. fact: when he was co-manager of the crossing he stole tens of thousands from the business. this was the beginning of evil. if i had known in the '90's that this person would become a huge developer in lawrence, we would have all stopped him in his tracks then, but things continued to spiral downward. aside from the many fires that have happened when things weren't working out for him, there were a few first management employees who claimed and reported that the chase apartment fires were done with malice. they noticed that the main building that the fire started in was under developed and not equipped properly. as though he was using it as a prop for the fire. insurance money! these employees no longer live in lawrence, and all still stand by their word.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20020525/ai_n11782582/

not to mention, this is one of three that i know of fires that have started during doug compton's construction process. AND, he is quoted often saying that he enjoys doing things that the public doesn't approve of. he loves the challenge. so, obviously his personal vendetta is more important that improving this community.

ljworld tried to explain him in this article: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/oct...

however, what they failed to leave out were the dozens of former friends and colleagues of doug who think he is the most unconscientious person in lawrence. we all knew him well. he is not to be trusted. but quite frankly, neither is the city of lawrence, the police or the fire department for covering most of his inequities and the illegalities that come in and out of his over and under the table businesses. FACT. but i can't put it up here completely, bc then i am sure to get flagged. ljworld if you flag me for telling the truth, then you too are part of the massive cover up of this bad person.

i think everyone should be very concerned that this new complex costs so little. is he planning on being a modern day quantrill? please city of lawrence, stop trusting this crook!

smercer 5 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the article link openyourmind.

Below is a excerpt from that 2003 article:
In Lawrence, Compton said he intended to concentrate on projects already in the works: ...Vacant land southeast of Lawrence that formerly was owned by Farmland Industries. His 180 acres, most of it southeast of Kansas Highway 10 and O'Connell Road, is expected to include a grocery store and other "neighborhood" shopping opportunities, plus apartments, duplexes and several hundred single-family homes.

Didn't the city just buy the Farmland land from an investment group? Was this Compton's investment group?

Darrell Lea 5 years, 3 months ago

They say those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. In that spirit I offer the following bit of history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Pendergast

Parallels? Correlations? You be the judge.

pizzapete 5 years, 3 months ago

What a great idea. That building will tie right in with Hobbs lofts. This will only help Lawrence because a world class destination. We need more tall buildings. Compton does more for this city than anyone else. People asked for it and he brought us Walmart, remember. I think the city should consider giving him naming rights like Topeka did with Google. Comptonville sounds better than Lawrence anyway. We could build a city that would rival Disney World if only the city had the vision to let Compton follow through on these great projects.

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

Pizza- I agree 100%! as long as Comptonville has Zebras. Zebras are awesome!

mysterytrain 5 years, 3 months ago

Gross. Besides being a behemoth, it's just more space that will be empty over time. What is going to happen to all the already empty storefronts downtown? Who is going rent all this stuff? Compton is ruining downtown by forcing out locals, raising rents and sitting on his pile of gold. Selfish acts with no real thoughts towards the real and long term betterment of the community.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

" First horizontal growth is blasted as sprawl. Now vertical growth is cancer?"

My point is merely that growth comes at a cost. As long as Dougie wants to pick up all of the costs of this project, then let him build it. And that means no tax subsidies, no free passes on zoning that everyone else has to deal with, and no sucking up all the parking spaces in the city parking garage to save himself the expense of providing his own parking.

JustNoticed 5 years, 3 months ago

It is the people's business because we are a community, dysfunctional and ignorant to be sure, but we are a community with much a Commons to be cared for. Even if all that is left of the most American Commons is the air we breathe and the space we walk around in. THAT is why it matters and THAT is why we have government. Are you still buying the myth of markets? Look where that's gotten us.

Calliope877 5 years, 3 months ago

The apts will probably be over-priced like everything else downtown.

arrisgan 5 years, 3 months ago

Drawing looks out of proportion to me, looks like it would stretch across Ninth street. Plus I think it is a calculated move to make US Bank upset by ruining the eastern view from their building. Someone has spend some money to stir the community up. What's the real reason???

sherbert 5 years, 3 months ago

It does look disproportionate. I'd like to see the drawing with the bank building and the parking garage in it.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Let us hope they use actual arky-techs.

GardenMomma 5 years, 3 months ago

Treanor Architects P.A. is whose name is on the drawing above.

pace 5 years, 3 months ago

Good luck to them, I hope they do well.

JKBagby 5 years, 3 months ago

What about 19th and Haskell? If some entity could just put a small grocery there I could get my movies, my beer and then my food and household items. Gets expensive buying GrandDaddy's ribs Friday nights because I don't really want to go west of Haskell on the Weekends. One stop shopping at Haskell Square anyone?!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, paulette. It's a cool and fruity treat on a Spring day.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

PUT all new projects to a vote! Once a year every November!

IF new neighborhoods ,retail development,light industrial or office space cannot support themselves pronto why should we taxpayers be expected to pick up the tax bills associated with any project?

Big government taxpayers should always have a say a new growth because it impacts our tax bills aka increases. It is OUR money not the big governments money.

Without big government taxpayers new development could NOT be successful

Over building produces a negative economic growth aka economic displacement

Taxpayers are responsible for most all maintenance and a good deal of installation of new infrastructure. This is a cost to all taxpayers.

There are many ways taxpayers get billed for others profit making ventures.

Such items as:

  1. Neighborhood Rec Centers
  2. Multi Million dollar field houses
  3. Public Schools
  4. Parks
  5. Clinton Lake Regional Park ( an ongoing expensive city park project)
  6. Streets
  7. water lines
  8. sewer lines
  9. traffic lights
  10. Fire Department
  11. ambulance service
  12. Law Enforcement
  13. Trash Service
  14. Planning Department
  15. City Hall

New NOT necessary development creates a need for these tax dollar supported services of which are billed to all of us. These are known as tax dollar subsidies. All of these tax dollar services improves a new project which adds big dollar value to projects that which impacts a developers wallet quite nicely. BUT it grows our tax bills which impacts our supply of expendable cash.

Then along comes other tax incentives such as TIF, Tax Abatements, Tax Rebates , TDD, etc etc etc all of which impact the level of our tax dollar cookie jars.

This: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_how_the_wealthiest_americans

provides a reasonable explanation as to why taxpayers DO have a right to control growth.

Does all new construction guarantee economic growth to the city taxpayers? Absolutely not.

There is no law that states just because developers buy up land that a community MUST ALLOW new construction. It is NOT the taxpayers responsibility to guarantee a profit on land speculation.

IF new neighborhoods ,retail development,light industrial or office space cannot support themselves pronto why should we taxpayers be expected to pick up the tax bills associated with any project?

PUT all new projects to a vote! Once a year every November!

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

Any new residential needs to provide its' own parking. Just like Hobbs-Taylor

That TIF(Tax Increment Financing) taxpayers garage was not built with 55 new residents next door in mind. The Arts Center,downtown employers and shoppers need this space.

Maybe we're talking 25 new residents with 75 parking stalls.

Now were getting near middle to upper middle class lifestyles yet still not luxury. Middle class to upper middle class incomes will have a more positive influence on downtown shopping.

This project if successful is generating a ton of cars. While building up is preferable to building out where is the market? Can the project stand on its' own?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 1 month ago

Revisiting all the old threads, juan? Worth repeating: • jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has donjuan lasted this long Jonathan?

Chris Ogle 5 years, 3 months ago

Wasn't something like that approved by the City (a while back) on 8th and Penn. Wonder if the proposed project will have an impact on then 8th and Penn. project?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

The linkbot has woken. Fear his mad copy/paste skillz.

tanaumaga 5 years, 3 months ago

burn baby burn....proof that the american dream sometimes ends up being a nightmare.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

Rumor has it that Lawrence,Kansas has been used as an example of how not to grow a city.

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

Paulette what is your area of expertise that you would have such strong insight into this and other projects?

Jay Keffer 5 years, 3 months ago

This town hates developers, doesn't matter who they are.

If Compton can secure the funding, let him build and add a few tax dollars to the dwindling coffers.

And since this will support the 'precious' downtown, let him get on with it and get out of the way. How many other pending offers are there to invest in downtown, let alone anywhere in the city? Just think, more people downtown might mean a grocery store could survive, a shoe store, and..... Can't have it both ways, and can’t have anything without people living there. Make up your minds folks.

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

Paulette- could you please answer my previous question. Thank you.

George_Braziller 5 years, 3 months ago

Mike Treanor has gotten really lazy with his architecture. This looks like nothing more than a cut and paste repeat of all the buildings his firm has designed over the last few years.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Why don't you sue them, Paulette? Where's Svenway_park when you need him?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

You enjoy telling other people how to spend their money, bub?

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

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tomatogrower 5 years, 3 months ago

paulette2 (anonymous) says… hey gabbie, there is no carde blanche on what is approved for that site!

True, but the commission is pretty much owned by the developers, so I figure it's a done deal. The next thing that will happen is the old Masonic Temple will mysteriously burn down, especially if the city finally calls him on the blight.

KU_Dude 5 years, 3 months ago

Worth repeating:

• jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…

bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has paulette2 lasted this long Jonathan?

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Worth repeating: • jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Would he also collar the running dogs of imperialism and spank the monkey of corporate greed?

KU_Dude 5 years, 3 months ago

Worth repeating:

• jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…

bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has paulette2 lasted this long Jonathan?

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

Worth repeating:

• jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…

bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has paulette2 lasted this long Jonathan?

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

i asked a question you could not answer. I was polite and to the point. I will ask again. What is your area of expertise that makes you such an expert on all things architectural? I felt it was a fair question.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

Where are the residents going to park their cars? This is a new business structure.

Borders and Hobbs -Taylor had to provide off street parking.

The Eldridge provides some off street parking.

Riverfront Plaza had to provide off street parking.

Do voters and taxpayers feel it is the responsibility of our local big government to provide 110 - 165 parking parking places for the high profit private venture?

Do taxpayers want THEIR tax dollars spent this way?

City Hall is to some extent bailing out the failed TIF project aka parking garage by way of leasing out office space.

Historically the funding of revenues generated by residential housing does not pay for the services they require from a municipality.

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

thanks pilgrim, maybe you can explain to him that no matter how many times he begs us for a job we will never hire him.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 3 months ago

Compton can pay for it himself if you ask me.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Worth repeating: • jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has paulette2 lasted this long Jonathan?

Jay Keffer 5 years, 3 months ago

So what's up with the Masonic Temple? A few questions........

How many owners were there before Compton?

Is the building modification limited by the HRC or others?

That building has been in the same state for decades. Is that Compton's fault? So it sits for a few more years, so what?

It is a unique property, but it would take a novel idea to use it in its current form. What is better - tear it down, or try to adapt it?

Maybe it could be an Erin Brockovich museum. It's in the right block, if I recall correctly.

BigPrune 5 years, 3 months ago

This project won't need TIF financing, since the adjacent parking lot already has that in place. I wonder if any of the partners are also involved in the ownership of the parking garage?

Kontum1972 5 years, 3 months ago

what about those apartments west of kasold next to the police dept.?

BruceWayne 5 years, 3 months ago

he has no answer...he is not an expert.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"I wonder if any of the partners are also involved in the ownership of the parking garage?"

Doesn't the city own the parking garage?

svenway_park 5 years, 1 month ago

Guess what archy-tech in town didn't get a piece of this project?

I wonder how many colleagues he will slander and file practice complaints against on this? That seems to be his standard marketing strategy.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 1 month ago

Worth repeating: • jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has donjuan lasted this long Jonathan?

whats_going_on 5 years ago

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whats_going_on 5 years ago

as are his buddies.

Yeah, you know what I mean. I said it. Screw 'em.

booyalab 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't like private enterprises getting taxpayer money any more than anyone. But that is the bed the community makes for itself, over and over again. Notice the request's timely occurrence after the library vote. Come one, come all!

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