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Mangino: As of now, no players will serve suspensions

Coach Mark Mangino talks with reporters about the altercation.

September 23, 2009, 7:22 p.m. Updated September 24, 2009, 12:00 a.m.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Mark Mangino addresses the recent incidents regarding the football and basketball teams

KU football coach Mark Mangino addresses the recent incidents regarding the KU football and basketball teams.

Altercation between KU athletes

Kansas coach Bill Self talks with the media on Thursday following incidents between KU basketball and football players earlier in the week.

Up until two days ago, the biggest problem facing Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino was how to defend against Southern Mississippi’s quirky “Wildcat” formation.

Following a tumultuous past two days, however, in which Kansas University police were dispatched to two separate incidents involving fights between members of the school’s football and men’s basketball teams, the coach found himself dealing with questions Wednesday about the status of his players heading into Saturday’s 11 a.m. game against the unbeaten Golden Eagles.

“There’s still a lot of things that have to get to me, in terms of exactly what happened and how it happened,” Mangino said following the team’s afternoon practice. “But based on what I have right now, I don’t see anything that would have me discipline any particular player.”

The trouble started Tuesday evening, when police responded to reports of fighting outside KU’s Burge Union and sophomore basketball player Tyshawn Taylor, a starting guard for the projected preseason No. 1 Jayhawks, was treated at Lawrence Memorial Hospital for a dislocated left thumb that will likely sideline him for three to four weeks.

On Wednesday, meanwhile, another incident erupted near Budig and Wescoe halls just before 10 a.m. on the KU campus, which witnesses said may have stemmed from a player being pushed down a flight of stairs. A witness told KU’s student newspaper the pushing was done by one of the Morris twins, basketball players Marcus and Markieff.

By Wednesday afternoon, university officials had organized a meeting among the football and basketball teams as well as the school’s athletic administration, including athletic director Lew Perkins. There, the events of the past two days were discussed and, in the eyes of at least two players, resolved.

“I think everybody took (heed) of what was said and who said it, and we’re just anxious to move forward,” said senior wide receiver Kerry Meier, who added he believed the feud between team members had ceased. “This is not something that KU is proud of by any stretch, but what’s happened has happened, and we’re ready to move forward.”

“It’s just fine,” added senior QB Todd Reesing. “There’s no bad feelings. There’s nothing that’s going to be a continuation of this. It’s past us. We’re not going to let it distract us. We have a game Saturday and that’s the most important thing.”

As of Wednesday night, it remained unclear which Kansas football players had been involved in the fighting, though Mangino insisted that the recent incidents were fueled by the actions of just a few individuals, and rejected the notion that they reflected a larger problem between the basketball program and the 20th-ranked football team.

“We’re just talking about probably a few guys here that let their emotions get the best of them,” Mangino said. “But it’s not nearly as big a situation as has been portrayed in some media outlets. It’s not.”

He added that while the events of the past two days left the programs “a little embarrassed,” they wouldn’t affect the team’s preparations heading into Saturday’s game.

“We’ve got 105 kids that have invested an entire year in preparing for these games,” Mangino said. “... A few kids let their emotions get the best of them, probably over something silly, which is always the case. But I’m comfortable with the way the meeting transpired. I feel good about our kids, our basketball players, and we’ll all be just fine.”


Socratic 8 years, 7 months ago

I don't know all the facts here, but was expecting to see a few suspensions from each program as a deterrent to future incidents.

nuby 8 years, 7 months ago

Mangino, I wouldn't call 100 players fighting "a few guys". I was under the impression that you didn't put up with any crap from your players but apparently I was misinformed. Utterly disappointing.

cellogrl 8 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with Mangino on this one too. Perhaps Self will man up and do what's right even though it may be harder for the team.

Darwin 8 years, 7 months ago

Are you really surprised by this article that there will be no suspensions? Come on...there's a game this Saturday.

You know...for such winners, the Basketball and Football teams have really shown themselves to be alot of losers.

The boys will be boys attitude just doesn't cut it here.

LiberalDude 8 years, 7 months ago

nuby - Maybe you should get your facts straight. There weren't 100 players fighting! There were like 5. If you read the reports, at one of the fight locations it was estimated that 100 people were there. Most of the people were bystanders who were watching.

The truth is that nobody on here knows more about what happened than Mark Mangino does. If he says the incident isn't worthy of suspensions, I trust him. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

Mandie Eutsler 8 years, 7 months ago

Not a single person was charged with anything legally. all they have at this point is hearsay. there are no victims, and not one single police report was filed. the only injury was a guy throwing a punch, i'd say that's punishment enough. what the hell are you going to suspend them for? They don't even know which players, or aren't saying. From what i understand mostly a bunch of pushing and shoving. Get over it people! I'd like to see any other coach suspend kids with no proof.

Mandie Eutsler 8 years, 7 months ago

obviously taylor is a jackass for the facebook/twitter thing. so now he's out for a few weeks anyway and probably feels like a d bag. i should hope he has learned his lesson.

gsxr600 8 years, 7 months ago

This statement was painfully predictable and nonetheless disappointing. I would love to know how, out of both the events that have transpired, not one football player can be singled out.

"the group of football players continued to grow to 15 or more..."

So of this group of reckless individuals, not one will disciplined? I could understand last night's brawl being a get-out-of-jail-free card because of unclear information, but after another fight in public today, no one will be held accountable?


alm77 8 years, 7 months ago

I think both teams should be required to attend the other team's games for the rest of the semester. Maybe that will help them catch some Jayhawk spirit.

riverdrifter 8 years, 7 months ago

What liberaldude said +1. At this point, looks like very few FB players and a few BB players were involved. The difference in the size of the 2 squads in huge, of course. HCMM will kick butt if necessary when the smoke clears and the facts come out. His record is clear on this. Remains to be seen with Self. Amazing, isn't it, how quickly the Morris twins surfaced in all this? Surprise, surprise.

local_support 8 years, 7 months ago

What's not a surprise is how great of a team leader Kerry Meier is.

Putting this behind us as quickly as possible sounds like a great plan of action.

Outsidelookingin 8 years, 7 months ago

This is exactly why the Professional athelete's think they are above the law. Jock's are pampered through highschool and college. The rules are for the non jocks! They think that's the way it's supposed to be. This just proves that KU places more importance on BB and for the last 2 years FB. It's sad but true.

Markstaff 8 years, 7 months ago

Bill Self is out of town. I'm curious to see what he does. Its been reported that a lot of it starts with the cagers. Let's just hope it ends with everyone. Rock Chalk!

nuby 8 years, 7 months ago

LiberalDude you might want to get your facts straight.

"According to KU police reports, the Tuesday night fight involved as many as 100 people."

From what I have heard it was nearly the whole darn football team. The ones that are issuing the apologizies and statement are among the few that weren't involved. All this over a chick. Get it together boys. It is a priviledge to wear those jerseys and get a free education, among other things.

I must say I thought our new Chancelor would make a firmer statement. Business as usual I guess.

Jay_lo 8 years, 7 months ago

going to the game this week oh whoever shall i see will there be a team there or will it just be me???

can new foot long brauts save the day if no-one there is left to play we shall see as they all say

jonas_opines 8 years, 7 months ago

"I don't know all the facts here, but was expecting to see a few suspensions from each program as a deterrent to future incidents."

Something tells me that a few people are running an inordinate amount of stairs at the stadium.

“According to KU police reports, the Tuesday night fight involved as many as 100 people.”

Which means very little. Pedestrians watching are involved in the fight. Here's the question: how would a few KU police break up or stop a fight involving 100 conditioned athletes?

None of us know jack, maybe we should stop making judgments. (talking to the wind, I'm sure)

Jay_lo 8 years, 7 months ago

but when the wind breaks your way you will truly have your say

slowplay 8 years, 7 months ago

Much ado over nothing. I think both coaches are going to require a little "quality time" between teams. If the punishment (if any) is reasonable, and the coaches are smart enough, it may even enhance the KU athletic spirit.

simplykristib 8 years, 7 months ago

It is a bunch of nonsense... Fighting over women?? I am sure that the coaches will handle this accordingly once the investigation is completed.

hiphopsux 8 years, 7 months ago

This is a sad day to be a Jayhawk. What is this the U? I am truly embarrassed. Looks like the days of JR Giddens are back.

LiberalDude 8 years, 7 months ago

nuby - There were not 100 people fighting... don't be foolish. Like jonas said, it there were 100 athletes in a full out brawl there would have been a lot more than 1 guy at the hospital. There were a lot of people yelling and a couple people actually "fighting". Not that big of a deal.

Zachary Stoltenberg 8 years, 7 months ago

Seriously, what did any of you really expect?

Jay_lo 8 years, 7 months ago

I know, let's teach the football team a lesson and move the Missouri game out of town!

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 7 months ago

Bunch of children...

I think there should be a zero tolerance policy enacted for this time of fight and you have to transfer to mizzou.

Socratic 8 years, 7 months ago

Maybe they will have to run extra laps ...

The_Voice_of_Reason 8 years, 7 months ago

Shamefully commenting to find out what the comment count is...

Brandon Perkins 8 years, 7 months ago

I just hope "RHFHO" will not have a new meaning come saturday...

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 7 months ago

So why won't they report a firm reason for the fights?

riverdrifter 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm not concerned. Mangino has in the past and will in the future kick ass when it comes to transgressions. He will kick butt here if needed. Thet Bill Self, he mainly looks the other direction. Time to wake up, Bill...

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 7 months ago

Can you believe this is the story that's going to have the 1 millionth comment?

Way to go athletes...

The_Voice_of_Reason 8 years, 7 months ago

He probably doesn't want to run the risk of losing a good player or players before the game this weekend. I bet he chews on the their butts in private though...

KanyeWest 8 years, 7 months ago

I'm really happy for you Mangino, Imma let you finish, but 1 million get.

oohmgrover 8 years, 7 months ago

Why take the chance to teach young men valuable lessons when you have games to win?

yankeevet 8 years, 7 months ago

What a joke; its all about the money; they could care less; now if it was a regular student; they would suspend them or kick them out.................these thugs get nothing; because they make money for the athletic division; coaches; managers; etc..........

Linda Aikins 8 years, 7 months ago

It has sucked for the bad publicity, but come on y'all. These athletes have been fighting since the beginning of time. Back in the late 60s, the fights would be so bad, there would be blood everywhere. Then they would all go get drunk together and laugh it off.

Like someone said, lots of stairs should be run and this should be put behind them.

ksdivakat 8 years, 7 months ago

I think they should all have to go to the union and have their bottoms paddled, if they want to act like children, then they should be treated like children!

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 7 months ago

Way to hand out the discipline Mangino...very disappointing.

Joe Hyde 8 years, 7 months ago

The initial news report on this matter stated that the first fight, at Burge Union, revolved around a dispute between two guys over one woman, and the woman was dating one guy but had earlier dated the other guy. If that report is correct, we can assume this woman is still liked by the first guy she dated.

Starting in their childhood, men in America are culturally conditioned to believe that the male is the one who selects the female. So it's a tough lesson for us guys to learn, that it actually works the other way around? Guys are the ones being selected, and the selection is done by the females.

Being cut loose by a woman you have deep feelings for, getting dropped when she decides to be with someone else she likes better than you, it hurts real bad. And that pain hits just about every young guy sooner or later. The best you can do when it happens to you is try to survive without becoming bitter. You have to remember that this is America, and a woman has every right to change her mind about who she wants to date -- just like guys have that same right.

And also try to remember that the other guy who you got dumped in favor of, he's not to be hated. He's just as good a person as you are. It was a deal where she just likes him better somehow, for reasons that are hers alone to know. You gotta respect her right to choose.

prrkc 8 years, 7 months ago

'Mangino has in the past and will in the future kick ass when it comes to transgressions.'

Yep, really worked with Talib- he has been a model citizen after being suspended multiple games for failing four drug tests during college... hold it, scratch that...

Mark is really tough until being tough could concievably cost him a win- it is clear what is more important to him between teaching out of control idjits accountability and increasing the risk of losing a game by suspending somebody good. Used to think Bill was better, but considering how smart and responsible Chalmers and Arthur looked at the NBA 'don't be an idiot' rookie camp, not sure he is.

And for whoever made the MU comment- if you think Gary Pinkel and/or Mike Anderson would poo-poo something like this, you don't know much about those gentlemen. Then again, neither recruit idiots and thugs. Some coaches actually care about something more than winning, like helping kids grow up, get a real education, and learn responsibilty.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 7 months ago

They must've been fighting over Jessica Alba. That's the only way this whole thing makes sense!

ralphralph 8 years, 7 months ago

I guess it's hard to learn self-control from a 700-pound man.

gram77 8 years, 7 months ago

No surprise that Mangino isn't doing any punishment. Both coaches let these athletes get by with whatever they want to do. KU needs to clean house with these coaches and hire some with some "Balls" that will do whats right! I as a KU fan am sick of the whole thing! And Lew Perkins, what the hell does he do to earn his mega bucks?LOOSERS!!!!!!!!!! Go ahead KU, keep raising tuition to support these thug athletes!!!!!!!!

kujayhawk 8 years, 7 months ago

"keep raising tuition to support these thug athletes?"

Did you really say this? The KUAC supports itself due to the basketball and football program. Not only that, it recently pledged $40 million to the academic program. Also, the more success KU has in athletics, the more support/enrollment/donations the university gets in general...not to mention the free marketing KU gets because of our athletic programs.

Aileen Dingus 8 years, 7 months ago

No class Mangino. Sure- maybe no laws were broken, but if you tolerate this kind of behavior, it does nobody any good. If one of them does something stupid, it reflects badly on all of them.

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