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Lawrence residents plan to rally at City Hall for health care reform

Activists also plan to address City Commission meeting

September 21, 2009

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Health care rallies

Two rallies in support of health care reform are set for 6 p.m. today near City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

The rallies, “Big Insurance: Sick of It” and “Billionaires for WealthCare Reform,” are open to anyone.

Sponsors include members of MoveOn.org and Organizing For America.

Lawrence residents tonight will be taking the issue of health care reform to City Hall.

A “Big Insurance: Sick of It” rally will begin at 6 p.m., and then residents plan to address the City Commission during its weekly meeting at 6:35 p.m.

Jo Andersen, coordinator for the local MoveOn.org Council, said the focus would be on the increasing cost of health insurance.

In Kansas, health insurance premiums rose 4.2 times faster than median earnings, according to a report released last week by Families USA, a national organization for health care consumers. The average annual health insurance premium for family coverage rose from $6,237 in 2000 to $12,397 in 2009, or 98 percent. Meanwhile, median earnings rose 23 percent.

“The focus is pretty much on health insurance companies and how they keep raising the rates and lowering the amount of coverage,” said Andersen, a former city commissioner and mayor. “This proves to us that we need greater competition, and this can only be achieved with a public option in the health care bill.”

She said the issue should hit home with city commissioners. The city changed its health insurance plan this year from Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Kansas to Cigna and Delta Dental to cut down on increases that were costing about $1 million per year.

The Lawrence school district also recently changed health insurance providers from Cigna to Coventry because of costs. Julie Boyle, district spokeswoman, said the renewal increase would have been 48 percent with Cigna.

“We want to ask the City Commission to pay attention to this because it is a dire local issue, and we are going to ask them to contact senators and representatives on behalf of ourselves,” Andersen said. “We really need help in this area and we need them to advocate for a real public option so that we don’t keep facing these rate increases every year and lowering of coverage every year.”

Another rally — “Billionaires For WealthCare Kansas” — will take place at the same time across the street from City Hall, and people will be dressed as tycoons.

“That’s going to be very fun,” Andersen said. “We have got a lot of people who are dressing up as billionaires. Of course, they don’t want health care reform because that will not protect their billions. So they want wealth care reform.”

The rally is sponsored by members of MoveOn.org and Organizing For America and is open to anyone.

“If you support health care reform, come on out and join us,” Andersen said.

Comments

situveux1 5 years, 5 months ago

“That’s going to be very fun,” Andersen said. “We have got a lot of people who are dressing up as billionaires. Of course, the they don’t want health care reform because that will not protect their billions. So, they want wealth care reform,”

That doesn't make any sense.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 5 months ago

City commissioners should endorse HR 676 to avoid the appearance of protecting the insurance industry. Wonder how many commissioners are shareholders?

Bottom line: This would save taxpayers a ton of tax dollars probably billions.

USD 497 should endorse HR 676. It would save taxpayers billions.

Go To: http://www.healthcare-now.org/hr-676/

The problem is we DO NOT have the best insurance coverage in the world.

According to the CBO HR 676 is the only proposal that DOES save dollars. Yes in fact $350,000,000,000(billion). HR 676 is the only proposal with 86 co-sponsors.

So what would the new HR 676 Medicare For ALL Insurance offer to americans 365 days a year,24/7? employed or not moving on to a new job or not single mom or not struck down with cancer or not

What would a new HR 676 Medicare Insurance Plan cost 365 days a year 24/7?

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the below insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the above insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. The privatized medical insurance industry is anything but efficient. AND DOES NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE.

HR 676 contains costs and saves about $350,000,000,000 annually.

Changing nothing certainly will save nothing ever!

Richard Heckler 5 years, 5 months ago

  • The most expensive health insurance in the world is not the answer for keeping business costs down and keeping our cost of living somewhat in check.

Substantial reasons why Medicare Insurance for All should be the choice for all in America:

  • Makes the USA more attractive to NEW industry thus jobs thus new wealth for the USA.

*ELIMINATES Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

*ELIMINATES Leading Cause Of Bankruptcy http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html#ixzz0IQKZLHHh&C

*ELIMINATES losing insurance attached to a job

  • JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS

  • Why use Medicare? It eliminates reinventing the wheel therefore saves a big bundle of money and time = efficient use of existing resources.

  • Medicare is in place therefore it is ready to roll which is convenient.

  • The USA needs to STOP being be the most expensive insurance/health care of the industrialized nations if americans want jobs back.

  • HR 676 Medicare for All insurance coverage is key to creating new wealth for america.

  • The most expensive health insurance in the world is not the answer for keeping business costs down and keeping our cost of living somewhat in check.

GardenMomma 5 years, 5 months ago

Maybe they will dress like Richie Rich??? Or all "blinged" out?

Zachary Stoltenberg 5 years, 5 months ago

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

KansasVoter 5 years, 5 months ago

zstoltenberg (Anonymous) says… "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

So THAT'S why the republican party is so powerful.

chzypoof1 5 years, 5 months ago

Seriously Merrill, please stop copying and pasting the same Obamacare posting on EVERY blog.

Quit trying to win the 1,000,000th post contest :)

And in case you hadn't figured it out yet, people don't want a government health care plan. It may be pushed upon us, but we don't want it.....

Steve Jacob 5 years, 5 months ago

MoveOn is a joke, and I am a lifelong democrat. And don't forget the director of the Congressional Budget Office issued a warning to Democrats that their health care proposals would raise costs, not lower them. This is the same office that told Bush before the war in Iraq his financial numbers where way off, and they where right.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

"....we are going to ask them to contact senators and representatives on behalf of ourselves"

Please join me in an e-mail campaign to our city commissions to ask them not to honor this request.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 5 months ago

@chzypoof1

Speak for yourself about who wants health care and who doesn't...

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 5 months ago

I think it's funny that when the gov't wants to start a war, no one questions how we'll pay for that...

Ryan Neuhofel 5 years, 5 months ago

so let me get this straight . . .

1) Washington (both parties) creates and encourages "Big Insurance" (aka HMOs, managed health care industry) for the past 30 years. 2) Private third-party health plans grow in size and profit predictably . . . . as well as our health care costs 3) Washington starts to chastise it's own creation and claims only THEY can fix the problem of "Big Insurance"

We are being played as fools by both politicians AND "Big Insurance".

If you really want to diminish the size (and profits) of third-party health plans (Insurance), STOP pre-paying all of your money to them! . . . get a high-deductible health plan and pay your expected/primary medical costs directly to your doctors.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 5 months ago

Be creative, Try the country Joe & the Fish song, add the lyric.... "be the first one on your block, to have grandma come home in a box." Don't forget that Vietnam rhymes with Afghanistan. And its one two three.. what are protesting for? I don't give a crock, I voted for Barack! Three, Four Five,,Go tell your Rep. you want Hr 676!

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 5 months ago

Obama's agenda is about redistributing wealth and making us all poor. 1217 days until Nobama! Obama is a liar and should be impeached! We need a bumper sticker "Impeach Obama Now".

chzypoof1 5 years, 5 months ago

You are right Ricky....some people do want a re-distribution of wealth so they don't have to pay their own way...my fault...

Steve Jacob 5 years, 5 months ago

Anymore, 7% is a big win in a presidential election. Anyway, Obama has used up all the good feelings from 2008 with this health care debate, hopefully we can turn our focus on the debt, inflation, and Afghanistan.

And if we impeached every liar, we be on US President number 500 by now.

beatrice 5 years, 5 months ago

President Obama is following up on his promise to get health care available for all. The people do want health care reform, and the Democrats in office will make it a reality!

If the Republicans cared about health care reform they would have done something about it when they were in power. Instead, they just passed an unfunded prescription drug law that went directly toward raising the national debt. If such a thing were offered today, the Republicans would be foaming at the mouth over it.

We are tired of the party of "no." Step aside Republicans, step aside. The rest of America has some work to do.

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says… Obama's agenda is about redistributing wealth and making us all poor. 1217 days until Nobama! Obama is a liar and should be impeached! We need a bumper sticker “Impeach Obama Now”


And the actual practice of the modern day Republican party differs from Obama and the Democrats, How? The only difference I see is which group gets to keep their money.

Why don't you anti-Obama people/right wing whackos just come out and say it. Obama can not do anything to please you, regardless of what it is. You don't even like that he has continued somethings from the previous administration.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 5 months ago

Of course, they don’t want health care reform because that will not protect their billions. So, they want wealth care reform,” Andersen said.

And? It is THEIR billions right? So what makes you think you deserve to take someone elses money?

Bunch of loosers! Take care of yourself!

Sunny Parker 5 years, 5 months ago

This idiot is spending us into banruptcy! Your childrens children will be paying for all of this spending!

How can you not see this?

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

Pilgrim2 (Anonymous) “Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty.”


You have some of it right. The Republicans have kicked the working stiff right and left. So please tell me Pilgrim, what have they done to maintain your undying support? I am pretty sure you are not a principal of a bank or big corporation and they seem to be the only ones gaining anything here.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 5 months ago

Obamy promised no new taxes! Who is going to pay for Obamy care?

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Is that why Obama was elected on a mandate?"

Gee, eddie, is that what you really believe? Could you really be as misinformed, blindly dogmatic, and just plain foolish as porchie (and that's saying a LOT)?

Have you ever bothered to read the exit polls, eddie? It was the economy, stupid. Healthcare wasn't even in the same ballpark. Any 'mandate' had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama's healthcare plan.

Yes, the polls say people want reform. Even in Canada, most people think their system needs improvement. However, also just as in Canada, more people in this country think the system needs minor fixes than major changes. And also, according to the most recent polls, the people do not want Obama/Reid/Pelosi's version of reform, with the post Obamercial rise having worn off and opposition to the president's plan now at record levels.

In other words, while people want reform, they don't want Obama's version - which pretty much blows away the commonly held liberal belief that if we don't want to pass this bill right now, we must not want change at all.

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

sunny (Anonymous) says… This idiot is spending us into banruptcy! Your childrens children will be paying for all of this spending! How can you not see this?


How can you not see that this country has been bankrupt for several years now. BTW, it would help if you would post so readers no what comment you are referencing. Otherwise they can only assume you are just making an open statement or talking to yourself.

fancy80 5 years, 5 months ago

I think most people favor healthcare reform. Unfortunately, most people have not done enough research on their own to figure out the plans, as they have been presented, don't add up. Most people don't have a problem providing free or low cost healthcare to the families or individuals who can't afford it. To force (mandate) everyone to buy it, is, for lack of a better term, un-American, to focus entirely on the insurance industry is ridiculous and if we don't do anything about tort reform, then the costs will still be 25% higher than they should be. I am against abortions being paid for with tax payer money and call me racist, and I'm sure you will, I am against free healthcare for the millions of illegal immigrants, many of which, can't afford healthcare, but are in line at the post office every Friday afternoon sending money back to whatever country their family resides. I wish I could attend this fun party, but I work at a insurance company, and I have to figure out new ways to deny coverage and kick people while they are sick and down. I sure resent being made the bad guy, when I work next to peole who go out of their way to make sure claims are paid on time and to answer questions and help people. I guess I should have become a lawyer/community organizer...

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

headdoctor (Anonymous) says…

"The only difference I see is which group gets to keep their money."

Aww, so close, no cookie.

The Republicans are indeed, if in an oversimplified way, fighting to keep their money.

The Democrats are fighting to take it from them.

"The Republicans have kicked the working stiff right and left. So please tell me Pilgrim, what have they done to maintain your undying support? I am pretty sure you are not a principal of a bank or big corporation and they seem to be the only ones gaining anything here."

Then you are, indeed, a fool. The only way you didn't see any benefit from the Bush tax cuts was if you don't work. Which, judging by your rants, is more than likely the case.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

fancy80 (Anonymous) says… I wish I could attend this fun party, but I work at a insurance company, and I have to figure out new ways to deny coverage and kick people while they are sick and down. I sure resent being made the bad guy, when I work next to peole who go out of their way to make sure claims are paid on time and to answer questions and help people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I sure resent you for trying to figure our new ways to deny coverage when I have paid for said coverage and have complied with all the policies. It does make you the bad guy when you try to come up with new ways to make me jump through hoops for coverage that I have paid for.

Perhaps you should look into transferring into the job your co-workers get to do.

Zachary Stoltenberg 5 years, 5 months ago

I cannot beleive that there are this many stupid people in Lawrence. Seriously, we're an educated lot. I think there are only a dew idiots that actually buy this load of lies, they all just happen to have very big mouths.

fancy80 5 years, 5 months ago

Katara, I knew there would be one person that would not see the sarcasm in my comment. I have worked for this insurance company for 8 years and I have repeatedly seen my coworkers go the extra mile week after week to pay claims on time, help people that call in with questions regarding their claims, etc. I've never once seen anyone high five anyone over denying a claim nor does our ceo make a million/billion or gazillion dollars as you have been led to believe. But go ahead and believe everything you read and hear in the newspapers and on the radio and tv. Can't wait until the government is running your insurance because I worked for the government for 10 years too, and I know how they work. Good luck with that. Three words for you....Cash for Clunkers. I don't need to transfer anywhere. I'm very good at what I do, but thanks for the suggestion.

Godot 5 years, 5 months ago

I support local efforts to curb health care costs.

Lawrencians, consider the gilded medical facilities you have at your disposal. Appreciate the luxury accomodations at Lawrence Memorial Hospital which is your only option for care. Behold the luxurious medical facilities on W 6th and on Wakarusa. Such oppulence does not come without a price.

Ask yourself if it is worth it to you to contintue to suffer huge increases in the cost of your medical insurance to receive health care in a multimillion dollar hospital with large private rooms and flat screen TV's on every wall and every desk, while your visitors and care givers have access to beautiful meeting rooms and cafeterias? Is the price increase worth the oppulent medical offices on W 6th and on Wakarusa?

Is your medical care better simply because the buildings and furnishings are upscale?

I say not.

I recall the justification given by LMH and the physicians in Lawrence for their spending on facilities. It was never about providing better care for Lawrencians, It was always about attracting upper income "destination" patients from Johnson County.

You are paying for this excess and folly. Yet now you blame it on "the system." "The system" is you. You believed the hype. You are paying the price.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Godot;

You forgot to mention that 'not-for-profit' LMH had revenues in excess of expenditures (what we used to call "profits") last year that were nearly twice what the average health plan makes.

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Aww, so close, no cookie. The Republicans are indeed, if in an oversimplified way, fighting to keep their money.


You are as deluded as the other so called conservatives on this board. They may be fighting for something. It would be nice for them to let others know what it is. The only thing that is real obvious is their right wing Christian agenda that they would like impose on everyone but themselves. I might really start paying more attention to the whole Socialism thing just as soon as the Republicans stop sticking their own hands into the Socialist pie.


notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Then you are, indeed, a fool. The only way you didn't see any benefit from the Bush tax cuts was if you don't work. Which, judging by your rants, is more than likely the case.


It is you who is a fool. Yes I saw some benefit but the bulk of the tax breaks didn't go very far for the average worker. You can give all the breaks you want but if they turn around and bust you somewhere else it doesn't do much good in the overall household budget.

Godot 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk, point well taken. thank you for the addition.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

headdoctor (Anonymous) says…

" The only thing that is real obvious is their right wing Christian agenda that they would like impose on everyone but themselves."

Um, right.

The Democratic plan is to force everyone to pay for healthcare or pay a fine. The Republicans object to this. And somehow it's the Republicans that are trying to 'impose' their will on everyone?

Might I suggest you avail yourself of the services of one of your namesakes?

"Yes I saw some benefit but the bulk of the tax breaks didn't go very far for the average worker."

Maybe because the 'average worker' isn't paying squat when it comes to their share of the tax burden? When the top earners are paying the share of over 30 freeloaders, and those freeloaders are complaining that's not enough, forgive me if I have very little sympathy, doc.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

fancy80 (Anonymous) says… Katara, I knew there would be one person that would not see the sarcasm in my comment. I have worked for this insurance company for 8 years and I have repeatedly seen my coworkers go the extra mile week after week to pay claims on time, help people that call in with questions regarding their claims, etc. I've never once seen anyone high five anyone over denying a claim nor does our ceo make a million/billion or gazillion dollars as you have been led to believe. But go ahead and believe everything you read and hear in the newspapers and on the radio and tv. Can't wait until the government is running your insurance because I worked for the government for 10 years too, and I know how they work. Good luck with that. Three words for you….Cash for Clunkers. I don't need to transfer anywhere. I'm very good at what I do, but thanks for the suggestion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is hard to see the sarcasm in your post when one has experienced that type of thing from an insurance company.

BCBS denied my claim for an epidural for the emergency C-section I had. The reason? BCBS didn't feel it was medically necessary. Not a coding error. Not a billing error. BCBS did not feel that an epidural was medically necessary for a major surgery.

The epidural during the labor before the C-section was not an issue for some reason though....

I spent months appealing it even though my policy covered anesthesia for a C-section. It should never have been an issue.

I won't bore you with the details with the other claims I have had to jump hoops to get taken care even though I followed all the instructions provided by my policy and the claims representatives of the company.

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Maybe because the 'average worker' isn't paying squat when it comes to their share of the tax burden? When the top earners are paying the share of over 30 freeloaders, and those freeloaders are complaining that's not enough, forgive me if I have very little sympathy, doc.


You really are deluded or you personally have no idea what you are talking about. Either that or you have been spending way to much time listening to Rush or Michael Savage.


notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Might I suggest you avail yourself of the services of one of your namesakes?


I will decline your invitation to avail myself of the services if you are representative of how they are.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Katara (Anonymous) says…

"BCBS denied my claim for an epidural for the emergency C-section I had. The reason? BCBS didn't feel it was medically necessary. Not a coding error. Not a billing error. BCBS did not feel that an epidural was medically necessary for a major surgery."

So would they have paid for anesthesia? Was it your choice to opt for the epidural instead of a general? Did your doctor(s) back your claim that the epidural was medically necessary for some reason?

Let me guess - yes, yes, and no, correct?

(By the way, katara, BCBS is a policyholder owned mutual insurance company, they don't make a profit.)


headdoctor (Anonymous) says…

"You really are deluded or you personally have no idea what you are talking about."

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22652.html

"The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns. "

That's okay, headless - don't let facts get in the way of a good class-jealousy rant.

"I will decline your invitation to avail myself of the services if you are representative of how they are."

Well, I do make a living confronting the irrational beliefs of my clients. I guess I can understand why you'd be opposed to that - you might actually learn something, and then what would you whine about?

mr_right_wing 5 years, 5 months ago

Look out, I'm posting it yet again!!

"Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke."

I know, I know...you love the idea of health control, but you hate (and or ignore) the truth. Oh to live in fantasy land. Maybe if you are good enough Santa will bring you health control for Christmas! Hooray! Better watch out.....better not cry.... (if that doesn't work maybe the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy....)

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… So would they have paid for anesthesia? Was it your choice to opt for the epidural instead of a general? Did your doctor(s) back your claim that the epidural was medically necessary for some reason?

Let me guess - yes, yes, and no, correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your guessing skills are on par with your manners.

Yes, the policy covered it.

No choice. It was an emergency C-section. I already had an epidural in from the labor (which BCBS covered & which is not medically necessary) and time was of the essence due to the distress my baby was in. It is merely a matter of the anesthesiologist upping the dosage.

Neither the OBGYN that performed the C-section nor any of the insurance billing people in the practice he belonged to had ever seen anesthesia denied for a C-section with a denial reason being medically unnecessary. I had not only a letter from him included in the appeals but also the OBGYN that was on duty earlier in the day I was in labor.

It still took months to resolve, complete with having to send the info over and over and over again to numerous other people at BCBS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… (By the way, katara, BCBS is a policyholder owned mutual insurance company, they don't make a profit.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not quite correct... "(Please note: BCBSKS is neither a for-profit nor a non-profit company. Therefore, it is incorrect to identify the company as anything other than a mutual insurance company owned by its policyholders." http://www.bcbsks.com/AboutUs/CompanyInfo/fast_facts.htm

Being a mutual insurance company does not prevent the company from having a profit or being driven by the bottom line. They still have to meet their expenses and in the case of BCBS of ND, pay out bonuses using premiums that were paid in. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/blue-cross-blue-shield-ex_n_281282.html

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Maybe because the 'average worker' isn't paying squat when it comes to their share of the tax burden? When the top earners are paying the share of over 30 freeloaders, and those freeloaders are complaining that's not enough, forgive me if I have very little sympathy, doc.

and

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

“The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns. ”

That's okay, headless - don't let facts get in the way of a good class-jealousy rant.

“I will decline your invitation to avail myself of the services if you are representative of how they are.”

Well, I do make a living confronting the irrational beliefs of my clients. I guess I can understand why you'd be opposed to that - you might actually learn something, and then what would you whine about? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How funny. You are one of the 30 freeloaders those top 1% pay for. http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-Mental+Health+Clinician/l-Lawrence%2C+KS

And if your behavior on here is indicative of your "bedside" manner, it is amazing you have any surviving clients.

/waiting for the inevitable justification of how notajawhawk is not a complainer even though he falls into the freeloader category he set up and explanation that he doesn't treat his clients as poorly as he does the general public.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Katara (Anonymous) says…

"Your guessing skills are on par with your manners."

Oh, I'm so sorry, katara, I didn't realize that you consider someone questioning a claim you made on a public message board poor manners.

"Neither the OBGYN that performed the C-section nor any of the insurance billing people in the practice he belonged to had ever seen anesthesia denied for a C-section with a denial reason being medically unnecessary. I had not only a letter from him included in the appeals but also the OBGYN that was on duty earlier in the day I was in labor."

Anesthesia was not denied. The choice of an epidural was. And it was your choice to have the epidural during the labor, was it not? Was it never explained to you that a C-section might become necessary?

The fact that the doctors had never heard of such a denial is testament to the fact that they didn't clinically justify it in the original billing. If they were able to convince the insurance company later on, there's no reason they couldn't have done so earlier, and saved you the months of trouble.

"Not quite correct… “(Please note: BCBSKS is neither a for-profit nor a non-profit company. Therefore, it is incorrect to identify the company as anything other than a mutual insurance company owned by its policyholders.”

No kiddin', ya' think? Perhaps that's why I said "BCBS is a policyholder owned mutual insurance company?"

Your lack of understanding of the term "mutual insurance company" is on a par with your lack of knowledge about business in general. Bonuses paid to employees are not "profits," katara, any more than your own wages are profits for the company that employs you. And while a mutual insurance company can, indeed, take in more in premiums than they pay out in claims (a virtual certainty given state insurance regulations that mandate huge reserves), that money belongs to the owners - the policyholders - you know, you. It's either paid out in dividends to the policyholders or you pay less in premiums than you would have paid otherwise. So the people that benefit from not paying unnecessary claims are you and the other policyholders.

Nice try, though.

headdoctor 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

“The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns. ”

That's okay, headless - don't let facts get in the way of a good class-jealousy rant.

“I will decline your invitation to avail myself of the services if you are representative of how they are.”

Well, I do make a living confronting the irrational beliefs of my clients. I guess I can understand why you'd be opposed to that - you might actually learn something, and then what would you whine about? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Katara (Anonymous) says… How funny. You are one of the 30 freeloaders those top 1% pay for. http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/s


Not much, heehee, left to, teehee, to say on this, haha, subject except, roflmao.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Speaking of being a poor guesser, katara, did you notice the little passage in your link that said "Average mental health clinician salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits.?"

But if it makes you feel better, yes, guess what, I am one of the 95% of the population that pays the same amount as the top 1%. Sorry - would you prefer I was rich? See, katara, I am not rich - but unlike the class-jealous whiners of Larryville, I don't mind anyone else being rich, and I don't think I'm entitled to the money they make. Unlike you, who seem to support headdoctor's belief that the rich should be paying your way.

"And if your behavior on here is indicative of your “bedside” manner, it is amazing you have any surviving clients."

My clients are doing just fine, sweetie. Maybe because most of the severely mentally ill people I deal with are a lot smarter than the average liberal message board poster here on the award-winning LJW's website.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Oh, I'm so sorry, katara, I didn't realize that you consider someone questioning a claim you made on a public message board poor manners. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is not questioning the claim that is poor manners. I don't get offended when someone questions my anecdotal evidence. It is how you present it. I'm sorry you don't understand the difference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Anesthesia was not denied. The choice of an epidural was. And it was your choice to have the epidural during the labor, was it not? Was it never explained to you that a C-section might become necessary? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nope. An epidural is an option during normal labor, which is what I had until the last 3 hours of the it. BCBS paid for that, no question at all. It is not a medically necessary during labor.

As opposed to a surgery that opens your abdomen, rearranges your intestines, lifts out your uterus and delivers a baby, then replaces your uterus back in the cavity, loops your intestines back where they belong & closes up the layers of muscles that were cut through.

I had no choice as to the anesthesia used for the C-section. The doctors made that decision & it was never discussed with me, as was the decision for the emergency C-section never discussed with me. I was told baby had to come out one way or another and baby was not coming out at all the standard way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… The fact that the doctors had never heard of such a denial is testament to the fact that they didn't clinically justify it in the original billing. If they were able to convince the insurance company later on, there's no reason they couldn't have done so earlier, and saved you the months of trouble. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It was. The coding was correct. BCBS had all the medical records. I had the letters from both them early on. There was no issue whatsoever in obtaining them. Months was the constant buck passing within BCBS that occurred during the process.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…No kiddin', ya' think? Perhaps that's why I said “BCBS is a policyholder owned mutual insurance company?”

Your lack of understanding of the term “mutual insurance company” is on a par with your lack of knowledge about business in general. Bonuses paid to employees are not “profits,” katara, any more than your own wages are profits for the company that employs you. And while a mutual insurance company can, indeed, take in more in premiums than they pay out in claims (a virtual certainty given state insurance regulations that mandate huge reserves), that money belongs to the owners - the policyholders - you know, you. It's either paid out in dividends to the policyholders or you pay less in premiums than you would have paid otherwise. So the people that benefit from not paying unnecessary claims are you and the other policyholders.

Nice try, though. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your post implied that you considered it a non-profit so I felt the need to clarify for you.

Monies left over after expenses are paid are generally considered profit. Bonuses are rewards and not generally considered wages (which is why bonuses are taxed differently. You obviously have never received one or you would have known that.)

And you probably weren't aware that BCBS of KS wasn't a mutual insurance company until 1992...

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

headdoctor (Anonymous) says…

"Not much, heehee, left to, teehee, to say on this, haha, subject except, roflmao."

Those of small intelligence (e.g. katara and you, headless) are so easily amused.

Perhaps you ought to go back and look at the links again. Have someone with a little bit of intelligence (if you know anyone) explain the tax table I linked to explain what the numbers in the last column mean. See, headless, the cutoff point for the 50th percentile is $30,881. Even if I made as little as katara's link reported, $41,000 is actually more than $30,881 (my second grader knows that - perhaps you can find a second grader who can explain that to you). And being above the 50th percentile would pretty much put me above the 39th (the percent of people whose share is being paid by that top 1%).

Thanks once again for proving ignorance is bliss, doc. And they say you can't get a quality education in the Lawrence school system...

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… Speaking of being a poor guesser, katara, did you notice the little passage in your link that said “Average mental health clinician salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits.?” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes. Did you think someone could Google your specific salary? Did you notice that the top average salary still falls well within the 95% of the freeloaders as you so kindly refer to as the majority of the US population? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… But if it makes you feel better, yes, guess what, I am one of the 95% of the population that pays the same amount as the top 1%. Sorry - would you prefer I was rich? See, katara, I am not rich - but unlike the class-jealous whiners of Larryville, I don't mind anyone else being rich, and I don't think I'm entitled to the money they make. Unlike you, who seem to support headdoctor's belief that the rich should be paying your way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I haven't said one way or another about whether or not I feel the rich should be paying my way. You've made that assumption.

I work hard for what I have and have all my life. I'm solid middle class so that pretty much means I get it both ways. I don't get the tax breaks the top 1% because I earn wages instead of interest. I don't get the tax breaks the lower class gets because I make too much.

But your completely snotty attitude to everyone on here that you might even slightly disagree with brought the thought to mind that you feel pretty darn entitled (afterall, you seem to feel pretty entitled to verbally abuse the people here) and I tend to associate that with the higher level of incomes (although I will completely acknowledge that it is not an exclusive thing to higher level incomes) based on my experiences. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ notajayhawk (Anonymous) says… My clients are doing just fine, sweetie. Maybe because most of the severely mentally ill people I deal with are a lot smarter than the average liberal message board poster here on the award-winning LJW's website. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You may address me as "Katara" or as "Kat" (as some have done recently). You do not have any permission to address me with any type of familiar term, used condescendingly or not. I don't care if you call me names or bastardize my username to something you think is clever but you will not address me by any pet name or term of endearment, regardless the tone you take with it.

Attitudes like yours to others who have a different political ideology than yours is not productive and accomplishes nothing. The boxing of people into rigid labels serves no purpose and gives the impression that one simply is a parrot to the talking heads in the media and that there is no independent thought behind the words.

Good day, sir.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 5 months ago

p>Moveon.org is involved. they have such a wonderful history of civil debate! watch your fingers, and remember the "General Betray-us" ad they put up to attack an american hero who is the reason things are actually wrapping up *successfully in Iraq!

besides, just what good are these two sundry silly rallies? the city commish doesn't set any health policy. these groups did their honk campaign outside Denny Moore's office, meanwhile I and many other opponents to government takeover used our freedom of speech and phoned his office.

besides, do these groups remember that Mr. Obama was once opposed to a compulsory system like he now advocates? in his dem primary debate statement, he recognized that compulsory health insurance requirements could hurt some: http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/bearded_gnome/2009/sep/20/one-thing-i-agree-upon-with-mr-obama-what-kind-of-/#c996500

that's a blog with a link to a story about that and four other campaign promises Mr. Obama has broken RE healthcare.

My blog is specifically on the question: is it right to even have a compulsory system?


Indeed, the wealthiest pay a huge proportion, far beyond their "fair share" of national taxes. right now, we do penalize success, risktaking, and wise investment. if we want our economy to thrive again, we should reverse that.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Katara (Anonymous) says…

"Nope. An epidural is an option during normal labor, which is what I had until the last 3 hours of the it. BCBS paid for that, no question at all. It is not a medically necessary during labor."

You either had very poor doctors or you didn't pay much attention (your posts tend to support the latter possibility) - an OBGYN who never mentioned the possibility of a C-section? Right.

"Your post implied that you considered it a non-profit so I felt the need to clarify for you."

My post called it exactly what it was, taken, incidentally, from the exact same web page you linked to. I can't be responsible for what you implied from the rather clear wording.

"Monies left over after expenses are paid are generally considered profit."

You mean like the 5.6% revenues in excess of premiums that not-for-profit LMH made last year, sweetie?

Again, for the slow-witted ones, 'profit' for who? BCBS is not a shareholder owned company, it is (once again) owned by the policyholders. Their balance sheet can show a 'profit from operations,' but that money either stays in reserves (owned by the policyholders) or is paid out in dividends (to the policyholders). It's essentially a co-op, katara - if they take in more than they spend, the money is returned in one way or another to the members. Sorry, sweetie, but unless the dividends paid out exceed what you paid in premiums, that's not a profit.

"Bonuses are rewards and not generally considered wages (which is why bonuses are taxed differently. You obviously have never received one or you would have known that.)"

Besides having received the original bonus, I am also a former tax examiner for the IRS, sweetie. That's why I know that bonuses are taxed as regular income. They may be reported separately, and the amount of withholding on them may be higher than your regular withholding because the total amount of income for the period will likely push the recipient into a higher incremental tax bracket. But when your annual wages are reported on your return, bonuses do go in line 7 income.

"Wages subject to federal employment taxes generally in- clude all pay that you give to an employee for services performed. The pay may be in cash or in other forms. It includes salaries, vacation allowances, bonuses, commis- sions, and fringe benefits." - IRS Publication 15, page 11

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf

Wanna' keep showing off, katara?

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Katara (Anonymous) says…

"Did you notice that the top average salary still falls well within the 95% of the freeloaders as you so kindly refer to as the majority of the US population?"

Did YOU notice that I referred to "paying the share of over 30 freeloaders" (surprised you got that wrong - you even quoted it later on), not the 95% ? Or that I already said I was in that 95% ? Or were you perhaps aware that 30% does not constitute a majority?

"I haven't said one way or another about whether or not I feel the rich should be paying my way. You've made that assumption."

Right. My assumption isn't supported at all by you saying things like "I don't get the tax breaks the top 1% because I earn wages instead of interest." First of all, when you think that one percent of the taxpayers carrying 39% of the tax burden is a "break'" I'm sure it doesn't imply that you think they should be paying your way. Second, since nearly half the country pays a negative effective tax rate, chances are your tax percentage is still below what those getting a "break" pay in capital gains.

"But your completely snotty attitude to everyone on here that you might even slightly disagree with brought the thought to mind that you feel pretty darn entitled (afterall, you seem to feel pretty entitled to verbally abuse the people here) and I tend to associate that with the higher level of incomes (although I will completely acknowledge that it is not an exclusive thing to higher level incomes) based on my experiences."

Again, no bias against the rich, right? And if demonstrating that I know more about the subjects you pretend to know something about is "snotty," katara, you must know an awful lot of snotty people.

"You do not have any permission to address me with any type of familiar term, used condescendingly or not."

Damn. I really don't have your permission? Shucks, now how am I going to sleep tonight.

"Attitudes like yours to others who have a different political ideology than yours is not productive and accomplishes nothing."

By 'different political ideology,' did you mean posting false information?

"The boxing of people into rigid labels serves no purpose and gives the impression that one simply is a parrot to the talking heads in the media and that there is no independent thought behind the words."

Hmmm - let's see if I can come up with a good example of that. Oh, I know - how about this one: "But your completely snotty attitude to everyone on here that you might even slightly disagree with brought the thought to mind that you feel pretty darn entitled ... and I tend to associate that with the higher level of incomes ... based on my experiences." Funny how it's always the other guy that has the attitude ...

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

Oops, "original" in my 2:17 post should have been "occasional."

Stephen Roberts 5 years, 5 months ago

I want health care REFORM- what Obama is pushing is not reform- He doesn't want to address the whole probelm- only little parts.

To me they need to also address tort Reform, illegal aliens, health care costs, and take away Congress' great health care package.

To me that is REFORM- Not acting like you are reforming

Flap Doodle 5 years, 5 months ago

Even CBS is starting to see the light. "Five Health Care Promises Obama Won't Keep" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/21/politics/main5326987.shtml

bradh 5 years, 5 months ago

Health care reform is projected to cost $1,700,000,000,000 and projections are always low. If you think spending $1.7 trillion is going to save you money I don't know what to say, someone has to pay for it and that will be the taxpayer. If you think they government will provide better service, again I don't know what to say, maybe DMV.

We're also being told that by cutting $500 billion from Medicare that we'll get better service. When I reduce costs in my home budget I expect to get less service . I don't know why we'd expect more for less just because the government says it will happen.

Health care reform, as proposed, is all smoke and mirrors designed to fool the gullible.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

"Even CBS is starting to see the light"

Could this have anything to do with it? http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/336235/Ten-Big-Companies-That-Are-Veering-Toward-Bankruptcy;_ylt=ApZzpsxtyhgg2ey.CShJI52CfNdF?tickers=AMD%2CLVS%2CS%2CM%2CGT%2CMYL%2CHTZ

"7. CBS

Weak advertising and falling license fees have sent CBS's earnings off a cliff in 2009.

If they remain depressed for too long, the company could have trouble refinancing $3.2 billion of debt coming due over the next five years.

It will really come down to whether or not CBS’s earnings collapse is merely cyclical, or the result of structural trend whereby traditional TV is dying."

With talk of a print news bailout, why not help out state run TV as well? But they need to be careful that they don't bite the hand that could feed them.

Ernest Barteldes 5 years, 5 months ago

The fact remains that the majority of the people support health care reform. But that majority is just too silent, and the loud minority - mostly made up of right-wing zealots, ultra-conservative nuts and 'birthers' - now has their fifteen minutes... Soon enough we'll rid ourselves of this mob...

monkeyhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

More strong arm tactics aimed at those who would dare voice an opposing opinion:

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration warned insurance companies Monday they face possible legal action for allegedly trying to scare seniors with misleading information about the potential for lost benefits under health care legislation in Congress.

"As we continue our research into this issue, we are instructing you to immediately discontinue all such mailings to beneficiaries and to remove any related materials directed to Medicare enrollees from your Web sites," said a notice from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid."

http://www.sfexaminer.com/politics/ap/60174902.html

TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 5 months ago

New headline: Lawrence Residents To Rally For Whatever It Is They Are Rallying For This Month "All involved decide they are quality people for it."

Shane Garrett 5 years, 5 months ago

What else can one expect from Ayatollah Obama?

Ernest Barteldes 5 years, 5 months ago

Boris

I think that the initiative to take the streets in favor of reform is one step. The left has been too silent since the Obama election - as if just getting a Democrat into the White House would instantly fix the mess we are in now. Is it naivete? Certainly.

The only way to rid ourselves from the tea partiers and Lou Dobbs' blind followers is by being louder than they are. Heck, the greater part of the voters are for reform. They just have to get out of their lawn chairs and make their voices heard.

I believe I am helping by supporting the reform by being loud on the net. And as soon as there is a rally in my own town, be sure I will be there with my own banner.

2002 5 years, 5 months ago

There seems to be very little truth provided by the party leaders on the health care issue.

What reform is needed? The quality of care in the US is pretty decent. So it's not health "care" reform.

Some complain that they don't want to pay for other's health care. Sorry, but that's how insurance works. If you argue that people should pay their own way--well, just don't get cancer or have an accident and get a head injury. Insurance isn't Socialism.

It seems that the main problem with health care is the cost. If health care was cheap, people wouldn't need health insurance.

So the main issue should be controlling health care costs. The best way to start controlling costs should be to start where you can have the quickest impact: control medical malpractice costs. I'm sure that there are many other solid ideas to control costs also.

One thing is for sure, however; government involvement will not reduce costs. There are a million examples, but the best is construction contracts. A private job is x dollars and government contract is x + 25% (give or take). Government isn't (nor should it be) the best value.

Community_Events 5 years, 5 months ago

Wow....has everyone here forgotten that "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem"

Ernest Barteldes 5 years, 5 months ago

It's funny, during the early days of the Patriot Act, many right-wing commentators wrote that privacy was overrated (I actually read this on Readers Digest - which caused me to cancel the subscription). Now that the tables have turned, the same people are crying foul.

Community_Events 5 years, 5 months ago

It is no wonder our nation can't come to agreement. Everyone is playing the right wrong game.
I suggest we STOP with the stories and meet in the middle to come up with a solution for all, instead of calling names and reciting statistical numbers that are manipulated by both sides.

If you remove the "story" the results are...a lot of people are not happy with the health care provided in the United Sates of America. What are "WE" going to do about that or not do about that? Suggestions?

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 5 months ago

Although this is anecdotal evidence and has nothing to do with statistics and numbers I think it's valid to say it. I have a friend living in London and a daughter who lived in Amsterdam for almost four years. The friend is married to a Brit and my daughter was married to a Dutch national. Both of these women have experienced national health care (or "socialized medicine", that great horror of the right). Both women held/hold jobs and paid taxes for their health care. Neither paid as much as what they had to pay for employer supported health insurance in the States. Both women accessed the health care system without problems and were pleased with their care. They were able to choose their doctors. Their out of pocket expense, even for medications, dental partials and glasses, was zilch. The US is not the only country in the world and the way we do things is not automatically correct. Think about that for awhile.

Satirical 5 years, 5 months ago

Community_Events... "What are “WE” going to do about that or not do about that? Suggestions?"

Stop protesting the war once a Democrat takes office, and instead find other ways to waste our time questioning the motives of those opposing ObamaCare rather than actual listening to the arguments?

Oh wait, the liberals are already doing that. You are right, we need a new plan.

puddleglum 5 years, 5 months ago

yeah, the majority do want health insurance greed overhaul....that's why obama won, and mccain LOST!

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

ErnestBarteldes (Ernest Barteldes) says…

"The fact remains that the majority of the people support health care reform. But that majority is just too silent, and the loud minority - mostly made up of right-wing zealots, ultra-conservative nuts and 'birthers' - now has their fifteen minutes"

Try reading the entire polls instead of the soundbites, Ernie. Yes, most people do think our present system could use some improvement. However, more people think it needs minor fixes as opposed to major overhaul, most people trust private insurers over the government to manage their healthcare, and, most importantly, there is record opposition to the plan being put forth by the president and the Democrats. Let's get some reforms that actually work instead of what the Dems are trying to force down our throats; the people are pretty clear in saying the current proposals are not acceptable.


puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

"yeah, the majority do want health insurance greed overhaul….that's why obama won, and mccain LOST!"

Try again.

Have you even seen the exit polls, puddles? It was the economy, stupid. Healthcare wasn't even close to a major deciding issue. Those of you that think there is some kind of mandate for healthcare reform, ending the wars, gay marriage, or whatever else the liberals are claiming the people voted for, have obviously not been paying attention to the polls.

Maybe when Harry Reid's looking for a new job next year you'll take notice.

But somehow I doubt it.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 5 months ago

Astroturf! Make sure you have your props ready. "But Health Care for America Now (HCAN), which is backed by a coalition of labor unions and liberal groups including ACORN and MoveOn.org, organized the protests to target insurance companies and drafted the plan, which describes the demonstrations as part of its "insurance enemies project." The document, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times, details specific talking points, tactics, props and strategies to stage the protests. It lists goals that include action that "mobilizes our base by animating existing anger about private insurers." The HCAN field plan dictates that each protest will include a minimum of 30 participants, target only health care insurers CIGNA, WellPoint and United Health Care and showcase what it calls "victims," or people who have either lost insurance, can't afford it or were denied coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions. "We built a campaign to win health care reform and that is exactly what we are working on," said HCAN national spokeswoman Jacki Schechner, who authenticated the documents. But she asserted: "There is nothing top-down about this." The field plan says the protests should attract media coverage that "creates villains or enemies that serve as a contrast with our side; validates the need for affordability and the public health insurance option; [and] forces the other side to respond." " http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/19/obamas-overhaul-backers-targeting-enemies/

Ernest Barteldes 5 years, 5 months ago

80 percent of the people support health care reform. Those are the polls. That might not ring true in most Red States, but consider this: 50 percent of the US population lives in coastal areas, and another 25 lives near the Great Lakes... and whether you like it or not, those are the areas where support is greatest.

You don't see Tea Parties in Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle or Cleveland... They are in places where the 25 percentile live... sorry, but that is the truth.

notajayhawk 5 years, 5 months ago

ErnestBarteldes (Ernest Barteldes) says…

"80 percent of the people support health care reform. Those are the polls."

Yes, Ernire, they are, as I already stated. Now, one more time for the slow folks:

They don't want THIS current plan as their reform. Got it yet?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

"Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide now oppose the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the highest level of opposition yet measured and includes 44% who are Strongly Opposed."

"Just 43% now favor the proposal, including 24% who Strongly Favor it."

As a matter of fact, Ernie, it's evenly split whether people want their legislator to pass a reform bill at all this year:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122822/americans-sharply-divided-healthcare-reform.aspx

"A new Gallup Poll finds 39% of Americans saying they would direct their member of Congress to vote against a healthcare reform bill this fall while 37% want their member to vote in favor."

Starting to get the picture yet, Ernie? It's the dogmatic, black-and-white thinking liberals who don't seem to have the capacity to understand that opposition to THIS plan does not mean an endorsement for the status quo. You must be real popular with car salesmen, Ernie - 'If you don't buy THIS car right NOW, then you must want to keep your old clunker.'

"You don't see Tea Parties in Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle or Cleveland… They are in places where the 25 percentile live… sorry, but that is the truth."

You really don't understand the concept of a national poll, do you?

By the way, Ernie, where do you think D.C. is - in the MidWest?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 5 months ago

Don't forget your talking points if you're going to the wild rumpus!

Ernest Barteldes 5 years, 5 months ago

Notajayhawk: No DC is not in the Midwest. But those who flocked to the capital are not exactly from NY, but from more central areas of the country.

Boris: My name is fine. Great artists and writers have the same name. Boris,,, except for Karloff and the late Boris "Just one More Vodka" Yeltsin.... not many.

And on Gallup: Who paid for the poll?

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