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Now in hot water, did ACORN grow too big for its own good?

September 20, 2009

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— Activist group ACORN started in 1970 to help the poor in Arkansas and quickly went national, growing into a multimillion-dollar conglomerate with a mission so far-flung that schools now bear its name, two radio stations are affiliates and a man it backed is the president. Oh yeah, it’s also the unwilling star of a hot Internet video featuring a couple dressed as a hooker and her pimp.

And that last bit is just one of its problems.

The organization praised for its Hurricane Katrina relief efforts and treated by federal, state and local governments as a valuable public resource has had nearly $1 million embezzled by its founder’s brother. The openly Democratic-leaning group has seen its employees accused of voter registration fraud, and taking it down has become a cause celebre for Republican lawmakers, activists and pundits.

As if volunteers allegedly signing up cartoon character Mickey Mouse to vote didn’t give ACORN enough bad publicity, the public is enthralled with new videos appearing on the Internet and TV news shows showing ACORN employees in Brooklyn, N.Y., advising a couple posing as a prostitute and pimp to lie to get housing aid, and employees in other cities counseling the pair on tax, banking and immigration issues.

Many Democrats used to advertise their ACORN connections. Now, however, the Democratic-led Senate has voted to cut off its grants from the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Democrat-dominated House doesn’t want it to get any federal money, period.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the conduct in the videos “completely unacceptable” and a prominent ally of President Barack Obama, John Podesta, is on an ACORN advisory panel working to clean up the mess.

Republicans are using ACORN to portray Democrats as corrupt and distract Obama from his policy agenda, the same way Democrats used issues involving Halliburton, the giant government contractor and ex-employer of former Vice President Dick Cheney, against the GOP during the Bush years. Top Republicans from congressional leaders to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger want criminal probes of ACORN and conservative voters are pressuring news organizations for coverage.

The Census Bureau this month cut ties with ACORN for the 2010 census, and a nonpartisan watchdog group, Citizens Against Government Waste, named senators who voted to continue financing ACORN the “September Porkers of the Month.”

More trouble ahead?

ACORN has portrayed its problems as the unfortunate work of a few employees. In the best case, that suggests it made bad hires and gave them poor training and supervision. But when the founder of a national organization admits attempting to keep quiet his brother’s theft of more than $900,000, it’s a sign that ACORN’s problems may rise high and run deep.

How did ACORN wind up in this mess? Did it simply grow too big for its own good?

The scope of government investigations into its activities is unknown. Voter registration fraud cases involving ACORN workers are pending. HUD’s inspector general has acknowledged an investigation is under way. ACORN this past week announced it would investigate the video scandal and suspend the admission of new clients into its housing program.

ACORN chief executive Bertha Lewis has pledged do whatever necessary “to re-establish the public trust.” She condemned the actions of the two employees who appeared in the Brooklyn footage, but ACORN also contends segments of the video shot there and elsewhere by the hidden-camera couple were manipulated to make it look bad.

James O’Keefe, one of the two filmmakers, said he went after ACORN because it registers minorities likely to vote against Republicans: “Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization,” O’Keefe told The Washington Post. “No one was holding this organization accountable.”

The group is confident it can ride out its troubles.

“The majority of our funding comes from our membership and from our supporters,” spokesman Brian Kettenring said. “Any attempt to try to limit our access to particular sets of funding is not likely to have much impact on our core operations. It will hurt the individuals that benefit from that particular project. It’s pretty clear this sort of attempt to cut off funding is politically motivated more than sort of driven by a high-minded concern for good governance.”

ACORN’s annual budget is $25 million, Kettenring said. Of that, about 10 percent is federal money and a much smaller share comes from state and local governments, he said. The budget covers ACORN’s national office, its state and local chapters and the ACORN Institute, Kettenring said.

ACORN doesn’t file a publicly available report with the Internal Revenue Service detailing its finances, spending, relationships and activities. Some of its arms do, but those reports do not reflect the full range of money ACORN gets or all the things it does.

HUD said last week it has given ACORN roughly

$42 million since the 2000 budget year. A July report by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said ACORN had received more than $53 million in federal money since 1994.

Community roots

ACORN — short for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — began in Little Rock, Ark., in 1970 as the Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now.

Besides its community organizing, housing work and get-out-the-vote activities, over the years ACORN has tackled such varied issues as predatory lending, a California power plant, a telecommunications company merger, immigration fraud, financial literacy, racial discrimination, land use and lead poisoning.

It opposed Wal-Mart’s effort to start a bank and contends that big-box stores often take away more from communities than they give. It joined with former President Bill Clinton’s foundation to make Hurricane Katrina survivors aware of a tax credit for low-income workers.

ACORN in 2006 estimated the monetary value of its successful activism over the previous decade at $15 billion.

Its affiliates include nonprofit radio stations KNON in Dallas and KABF in Little Rock. The stations and ACORN work closely together and have offices in the same buildings, Kettenring said.

Two schools in New York City have partnered with ACORN and bear its name: ACORN Community High School and ACORN High School for Social Justice.

Political involvement

ACORN has long been involved in politics.

In 1984, seven local ACORN groups supported Jesse Jackson for president in state primaries, and four years later the organization had 30 delegates at the Democratic National Convention on his behalf.

In the early days in Little Rock, the local power structure tried to ignore ACORN, a tactic that didn’t work, recalls Little Rock civil rights lawyer John Walker.

“They were very vocal and very active for the years of their infancy,” Walker said. “They were very effective.”

ACORN calls itself the largest grass-roots community organization of low- and moderate-income Americans. It claims over 400,000 families and more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in about 75 cities.

The group and Obama have long known each other.

Obama helped represent ACORN in a 1995 lawsuit against Illinois that forced enactment of the “motor-voter law,” making it easier to register to vote.

ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama for president and his campaign gave an ACORN subsidiary $832,000 for get-out-the-vote activities.

Pro-Democratic groups, including unions, paid ACORN branches and affiliates for get-out-the-vote activities in the last election.

Comments

tbaker 4 years, 6 months ago

Do you ever wonder how many of the foreclosed homes we see today began as sub-prime mortgages that ACORN helped people get?

Consider the fact they were willing to help a pimp and a hooker lie and cheat to set up a whore house with underage illegal alien girls pressed into service as sex slaves. Given that, is it all that much of a leap to assume they'd be willing to help someone fib on a loan application to get a house they couldn't afford?

I don't think we'll ever know. Neither congress or the Attorney General will investigate this organization. There are a number of politicians who will get to see this again - in a campaign commercial from their opponent.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A little while ago, the House passed an amendment to the bill that we were considering that says no contract or federal funds may ever go to ACORN, a named organization, or to any individual or organization affiliated with ACORN. Unfortunately, this was done in the spirit of the moment and nobody had the opportunity to point out that this is a flat violation of the Constitution, constituting a Bill of Attainder. The Constitution says that Congress shall never pass a Bill of Attainder. Bills of Attainder, no matter what their form, apply either to a named individual or to easily ascertainable members of a group, to inflict punishment. That’s exactly what this amendment does.

“It may be that ACORN is guilty of various infractions, and, if so, it ought to be vetted, or maybe sanctioned, by the appropriate administrative agency or by the judiciary. Congress must not be in the business of punishing individual organizations or people without trial.

“That’s what this Amendment did. It is flatly prohibited by the Constitution, and once we ignore the Constitution we ignore constitutional principles. Whatever one may think of the subject matter or the organization, the Constitution and the ban on Bills of Attainder are there for the protection of all of our liberties. It is unfortunate that we passed this, and I hope it is removed in the conference committee."

"Remember last May when the Secretary of State and the Attorney General of Nevada announced (with much national media fanfare) that they were filing a criminal charge against ACORN in Clark County Nevada for voter fraud? What's going on with that case? It's almost 6 months later and the Nevada Attorney General has yet to schedule a hearing to present the basic evidence against ACORN in a courtroom. Why? Because the AG doesn't have any evidence and their entire case against ACORN rests on hearsay from a couple of disgruntled ex-employees fired by ACORN for falsely registering voters.

The case made by the Republican hooker and the pimp will never stand up in court because the two GOP "investigative reporters" who filmed it failed to notify the two ACORN employees that they were being filmed, which is against the law in Maryland.

When you view the film in it's entirety it looks like a Borat routine where a couple of not too smart ACORN front line office workers are being ridculed by a couple of smart ass conservative college kids.

As it currently stands the organization, ACORN, has yet to be charged or convicted of any criminal activity and it usurups the authority of the executive branch for Congress to defund to ACORN simply because a couple right wingers entrapped two low level ACORN workers into saying things that made ACORN look bad. The Maryland Attorney General is not filing any charges against ACORN because the only laws broken were broken by the filmakers who filmed ACORN employees without their knowledge or consent.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

"For Immediate Release Contact: Ilan Kayatsky

September 17, 2009

Nadler: Republican ACORN Amendment is Flatly Unconstitutional and Threatens any Organization Disliked by Congress

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, denounced a Republican Amendment adopted by the House of Representatives to deny all federal funds to ACORN as blatantly unconstitutional and a threat to unpopular organizations everywhere. The Republican initiative, entitled the Defund ACORN Act, singles out a specific organization by name for exclusion from participating in any federal program, in direct violation of the Constitution’s prohibition against Bills of Attainder.

“Today’s Republican Amendment is in blatant violation of the Constitution’s prohibition against Bills of Attainder,” said Nadler. “Congress must not be in the business of punishing individual organizations or people without trial, and that’s what this Amendment does. Whatever one may think of an organization, the Constitution’s clear ban on Bills of Attainder is there for the protection of all of our liberties.”

The Supreme Court, in decisions dating back to the Civil War era, has held that the Constitution prohibits all legislative acts, “no matter what their form, that apply either to named individuals or to easily ascertainable members of a group in such a way as to inflict punishment on them without a judicial trial….” During the McCarthy era, for example, Congress enacted legislation prohibiting the use of funds to pay the salaries of three federal employees who Congress deemed subversive. The Supreme Court ruled this legislation unconstitutional as a Bill of Attainder.

This Amendment, in addition to being clearly unconstitutional, sets a dangerous precedent of Congress punishing politically disfavored groups without any due process.

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Boris 4 years, 7 months ago

Just how did you come up with Blackwater in your doatribe Bozo? I have never read anything about them defrauding the government. By the way, they are now Xe, and are still being used theoughout the world by the United States Government.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

Pilgrim, you hit it out of the park with last night's 11:45. Good job!! Porchie's face must've gotten a little red when he/she read your post. LMAO!!

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monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Why? Because 99.99% of what they do is help poor (mostly brownish) people get mortgages, "

Thanks for pointing out another ACORN ponzi scam, boozo.

This should make a normal person's blood boil:

"There's one thing more shocking than the illegal alien smuggling advice that an ACORN official in San Diego gave undercover journalists James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles. It's the illegal alien home loan racket that ACORN has already been operating with the full knowledge of the U.S. government.

The San Diego Union-Tribune reported that "undocumented residents" comprise a vast market representing a potential sum of "$44 billion in mortgages." Citibank enlarged its portfolio of subprime and other risky loans. ACORN enlarged its membership rolls. The program now operates in Miami; New York City; Jersey City, N.J.; Baltimore; Washington, D.C.; Chicago; Bridgeport, Conn.; and at all of ACORN Housing's 12 California offices. San Diego ACORN officials advised illegal alien recruits that their bank partners would take applicants who had little or no credit, or even "nontraditional records of credit, such as utility payments and documentation of private loan payments." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2342672/posts http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001610.html

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Substitute "corrupt" for "big" in the headline.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 7 months ago

Ah but is ACORN too big to fail?

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 7 months ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

Speaking of polls, Obama is currently at 55% according to the CNN “Poll of Polls”. The Republicans are at 38%.


14 September 2009 at 11 a.m. porch_person (Anonymous) says…

“Polling numbers are worthless in the first year of a four year term.”

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 7 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

'James O’Keefe, one of the two filmmakers, said he went after ACORN because it registers minorities likely to vote against Republicans: “Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization,” O’Keefe told The Washington Post.'

Pretty much sums up the entire “controversy.”


Boohoozo is just upset that there is a conservative Mikey Moore.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom,

We don't have to "rip up the Constitution" to fire some workers at ACORN for clearly inappropriate behavior.

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Unwarranted surveillance of American citizens, that's "ripping up the Constitution".

Declaring that the Constitution doesn't grant the right of habeas corpus is "ripping up the Constitution".

Adopting a policy of torture is "ripping up the Constitution".

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

Wutev porchie, I'm happy right where I'm at for now. As far as you go, I'm reminded of the power of denial. You and some others are deep in it regarding Acorn, Obama, this congress and the whole mess we're slowly descending into. RIP, US Constitution. Would you like to do a eulogy for the US Constitution?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

"wow…you amaze me Bozo.

Why don't you belive any of this fraud done by Acorn?"

The "investigators" certainly found some idiots stupid enough to either buy into or play along with their sophomoric pranks (or were they plants hired specifically to play the parts?-- the pope and darth vader should appoint separate independent prosecutors to investigate.)

But seriously, what primarily bothers me is that the "investigators" (and their Fox handlers) aren't looking to find flaws in the organization and management of ACORN in order to aid in its improvement, but rather to destroy it.

Why? Because 99.99% of what they do is help poor (mostly brownish) people get mortgages, manage what little money they have, and otherwise just survive in a very hostile world. But the main objection to ACORN is that they get people of inferior color to register and vote, and as all you superior people know, they always vote the "wrong" way.

"Acorn, like Blackwater, Haliburton and many others is capable of wasting money or being fraudulent in some ways."

Oh, come on, Paul-- why are you lumping all these together? A largely volunteer organization like ACORN, working in the poorest areas of the country, will have difficulty finding highly trained, skilled and disciplined workers to fill any of the positions it has, given the low wages, benefits and working conditions it can offer.

There is simply no comparison between the occasional (mostly petty) graft and embezzlement that will occur in organizations like ACORN, and the massive corruption and multi-billion-dollar taxpayer ripoffs that can be found in the likes of KBR, Halliburton, Enron, AIG, etc. They spend $millions buying off elections where they really matter-- long before the small number of ghetto voters ACORN registers can cast their vote for the Demoblicans or Republicrats that the movers and shakers have already pre-selected.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 7 months ago

Inherently criminal organisations normally "grow to big" for their own good.

See: "Mafia".

This will walk right up Pennsylvania Avenue, straight to the front door of the "Community Organizer".

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

Satirical,

Based upon that line of logic, car insurance is "a tax".

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Satirical 4 years, 7 months ago

Just a question I want to propose to the Obama Acolytes....Do you trust the Merriam Webster dictionary?

Because Obama doesn't.

"Obama: 'George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now… .' “ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574425294029138738.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Luckily we have Obama to tell us which facts to avoid. Otherwise we might believe anything that is true.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

TomShewmon,

"Clueless"

(laughter)

"Clueless" has filibuster-proof control of Congress, a popular President in the White House at 55% and is gaining approval. The Republican Party is losing ground, less than 39%. The only thing transparent to Americans is that the Republicans lie on a regular basis and have become a minority of shrill, paranoid astroturfers.

Tell me, Tom......are you getting paid by the word for this campaign of BS propaganda? Is this one of these "at home business" things you can do on the Internet from Linwood?

Don't you have enough money to move to, say, Tongie? I hear they have stores that stay open past 10 there.

(laughter)

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Satirical 4 years, 7 months ago

I think we have all learned a valuable lesson here....don't trust community organizers....oh wait!

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

The whole healthcare debate within the Democratic party has been all over the map. They are still as clueless as they were when the Apollo Alliance handed it to Pelosi. The only thing transparent to Americans in regards to Obama and congress is their deviant behavior.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"...The work of Giles and O’Keefe highlights the diminishing relevance of the establishment media. Despite the story getting no coverage on broadcast TV or in any major newspaper, it propagated online, then to talk radio and Fox News. And before any “mainstream” media outlet covered it, the political pressure grew to the point that the Census Bureau cut all ties to ACORN, and U.S. Senate voted by the overwhelming margin of 83-7 to cut off the group’s federal funding.

Even after these events, a vast majority of the media ignored the story. And yet the public kept getting the truth, which only made the media appear to be in the business of hiding news rather than reporting it. Realizing that this is not a winning business model for an ailing industry, a few of the more independent-minded reporters started covering the story, and now the White House Press Secretary is busy deflecting questions about the president’s former colleagues and fellow community organizers at ACORN. Despite the media’s best efforts.

James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles represent another massive power-shift in the age of Internet media. The first occurred when the Drudge Report broke Monica Lewinsky’s affair with President Clinton, a story that Newsweek got first but declined to run. The second was when CBS News got hoodwinked by documents that purported to impugn President Bush. After bloggers exposed them as forgeries, the documents ended up tarnishing CBS News instead. Long-time anchor Dan Rather was forced to retire in disgrace.

This is another huge embarrassment for Big Media–not so much because they look foolish, but because they’re beginning to look irrelevant."

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/19/acorn-kanye-west-and-the-hierarchy-of-multiculturalism/

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

TomShewmon,

You're confused.

Monkeyhawk and you brought up George "convenient bogeyman" Soros.

I supplied an lengthy but incomplete list of objective reasons why the Republican Party can't even get to 40% approval.

(laughter)

I missed:

(19) George Soros forced Rep. Joe Wilson yell "You lie" at President Obama in front of Congress when the truth is that it was Wilson who lied. This wanton display of power by Soros forced Wilson to embarrass himself, his State of South Carolina, and the Republican Party, and eventually get sanctioned by Congress.

(laughter)

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Paul R Getto 4 years, 7 months ago

There are no excuses for Acorn's flaws. Losing federal money will not cripple them. Power (and yes, size) corrupt movements on both sides. Poor people participating too deeply in the process undermines the natural order of things. Acorn, like Blackwater, Haliburton and many others is capable of wasting money or being fraudulent in some ways. The amount of money is trivial and some of those who howl are ignoring tens, perhaps hundreds of billions worth of fraud in our two follies--Iraq and Afghanistan. Acorn will straighten out and continue their good work with or without federal help. With federal help, the rip off artists stuck to our military will continue to bleed us and evade accountability.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

For anyone to deny Soros is the Chief Sugar-Daddy of the netroots/ far-left machine that drives (or at least it appears now "drove") the Democratic party, is the dummy here. It started with another far-left looney tune nutball that is steering the DNC into the ground like a 747 that has lost all power at 36,000 feet: Howard Dean. What a zero he is.

But, you know, the damage control is very impressive with the Democratic Party and their partner in crime, the corrupt elite liberal media.

Like Ronnie VanZandt said: "So, don't ask me no questions And I won't tell you no lies"

(laughter)

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sunny 4 years, 7 months ago

wow...you amaze me Bozo.

Why don't you belive any of this fraud done by Acorn?

Why do you time after time try to defend people and organizations like this?

Seriously...I think you need some counseling!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

If there's going to be any investigation at all, the first place any competent prospective investigator would start would be to subpoena all video and notes taken by these two "reporters," who have clearly been very selective in what they've released, and in how they've edited it.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus,

“Could you please indicate a credible source for your opinion?” ---- monkeyhawk

Would a police report from the Philly police be satisfactory?" ---- just_another_bozo_on_this_bus

Could you be referring to this?

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090916_ACORN_showspimpandprothe_door_here.html

or this?

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7019810

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

monkeyhawk,

George Soros is one powerful fellow. People tell me that:

(1) He forced George W. Bush to ignore a Presidential Daily Briefing one month before 9/11 warning of Obama Bin Laden's desire to hijack a plane and attack federal buildings in New York.

(2) He forced George W. Bush to lie to the nation and Congress about Saddam Hussein's involvement in 9/11

(3) He forced George W. Bush to lie about Saddam Hussein's involvement with al Qaeda.

(4) He forced George W. Bush to lie about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

(5) He forced George W. Bush to reveal the identity of one of his own secret agents.

(6) He forced George W. Bush to conduct rendition and torture in the name of the United States.

(7) He forced Alberto Gonzales to fire US Attorneys for political reasons.

(8) He forced Alberto Gonzales to state that there is no grant of habeas corpus.

(9) He forced Alberto Gonzales and George W. Bush to conduct warrantless surveillance on American citizens

(10) He forced John McCain to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate.

(11) He forced Sarah Palin to demonstrate that she didn't know what a Vice-President does, twice.

(12) He forced Katie Couric to ask Sarah Palin "What newspapers do you read" and "Which Supreme Court decisions are you the most influenced by".

(13) He forced Rush Limbaugh to doctor shop in Florida and consume more Oxycontin than God until he got caught.

(14) He forced Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican Party, to call Rush Limbaugh ""incendiary", "ugly", and "an entertainer". He forced Michael Steele to grovel days later to the radio talk show host.

(15) He forced Newt Gingrich to have another affair while he was leading opposition to Bill Clinton.

(16) He forced the National Review Online to fire Ann Coulter for being "too unprofessional" for Jonah Goldberg.

(17) He forced the American public to overwhelmingly vote for Barack Obama over John McCain

(18) He forced George W. Bush leave the Texas Air National Guard, learn some bitchin' political jokes and drink a lot in Alabama on the campaign trail of one of Daddy's buddies.

I'm sure I've forgotten something but you get the idea.

You conservatives are one "intellectually challenged" group.

George Soros can't make you guys any dumber than you already are.

(laughter)

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

"Could you please indicate a credible source for your opinion?"

Would a police report from the Philly police be satisfactory?

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

I keep reading all this "possibly" and "could be" and "it's documented" crap with regard to ACORN election infractions but "where's the beef"? I haven't seen any other than the "crime" of serving a largely Democratic voting demographic. If it was "documented", someone isn't revealing it or prosecuting it. McCain sure isn't and you would think he would. Was ACORN responsible for 5 million voters worth of fraud?

Give me a call when something substantial actually shows up.

(laughter)

Just the usual rumor mill. "If repeated often enough, it could eventually be accepted as true" seems to be the protocol du'jour for Republicans. Didn't work for the birther movement but hey, knock yourselves out.

(laughter)

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monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Dale Rathke embezzled $1 million" ...and rumor has it that it was paid back by none other than George Soros. Who is that guy?

"What if a corrupt far left billionaire got together with a corrupt but effective grassroots group in an effort to radically change America ? That's exactly what's happening between George Soros and ACORN. Think of ACORN as instruments of George Soros grand plan. Soros wants to elect far left candidates, pass universal health care, props up the unions among many liberal ideological goals. Think of ACORN is the tool of implementation of his ideology, or at least a tool. On top of this, every policy which Soros uses ACORN to implement also helps President Obama. That's the stakes in this unholy alliance." http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2009/07/george-soros-unholy-alliance-with-acorn.html

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jackbinkelman 4 years, 7 months ago

tom, I just have to laugh: "nothing is too low for Democrats when it comes to insuring a win at election time."

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

ACORN is a workhorse for the Democratic Party. Obama has close ties to ACORN. SEIU is tied with ACORN. SEIU people intimidated voters. Wade Rathke, ACORN's founder's brother Dale Rathke embezzled $1 million and there was no investigation, hearings, prosecution---nothing. ACORN is guilty of voter reg. fraud in at a minimum, 14 states---documented voter reg. fraud. The corrupt media, who desperately wants the Republican party to fail and the Democratic party to succeed has suppressed the ACORN stories for years. Only when the two undercover, and yes amatuers (who cares) broke this on biggovernment.com, Andrew Breitbart's latest internet launch, the dishonest elite liberal mainstream media could no longer ignore the story----not unlike the Van Jones story.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

Apologies.

In an earlier post (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/sep/20/now-hot-water-did-acorn-grow-too-big-its-own-good/#c994870) , I meant to say "6.5 years", instead of "6.5 months".

Again, apologies.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

Sucks to have someone reorient our readers to reality, doesn't it, monkeyhawk....

The frantic anti-Obama fest doesn't seem to have had much of an effect on public opinion, has it?

Please, by all means, carry on. I find this exercise amusing..

(laughter)

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farfle 4 years, 7 months ago

“I can't wait to see what is coming next.” –- monkeyhawk

Don't count on the mainstream media to inform you. I would look at some legitimate news sources on the internet for information.

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monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

That wasn't a shout out to the village idiot.

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

"I can't wait to see what is coming next." ---- monkeyhawk

An investigation of DCI Group?

(laughter)

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

snap_crackle_no_pop,

"Thread hijacking?"

(laughter)

You submitted a column by Charles Lipson, a political science professor from the same school that Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law at the law school for over a decade, as an opinion that Attorney General, Eric Holder, should step down because he doesn't seem to appoint special prosecutors in case involving Democrats.

In his piece, Professor Lipson called James E. O'Keefe III, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, "two amateur reporters". How a political science professor could miss or ignore Ms. Giles parentage (Ms. Giles is the daughter of conservative columnist Doug Giles) is interesting.

(laughter)

I went back and found a piece that Professor Lipson published at RealClearPolitics back in March of 2008. Here's some of what he wrote:

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"But in their hearts and minds (and donor's wallets), even Obama's staunchest supporters must be deeply concerned. As weak as the Republican Party is, saddled with Bush's ineptitude, the never-ending Iraq War, and a teetering economy, the Democrats should be leading decisively in the race for president. They are not. Instead, they are facing a train wreck of identity politics, fueled by the close and hard-fought race between Obama and Clinton. They worry, rightly, that there won't be a quick or clear-cut resolution, especially if Clinton wins Pennsylvania by double digits.

John McCain is fortunate to be out of the country, traveling through the Middle East. He quietly picks up momentum and doesn't even have to comment on this. Who could have thought that walking through Iraq with a flak jacket was the safe place to be? " ---- Charles Lipson

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/between_barack_and_a_hard_plac.html

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Barack Obama crushed John McCain in the election by 7.5% (10 million votes). The Democrats gained filibuster proof control of Congress.

Speaking of polls, Obama is currently at 55% according to the CNN "Poll of Polls". The Republicans are at 38%.

That's a 17 point spread and not in your favor, snap

(laughter)

I don't recall finding anything Professor Lipson has written over Alberto Gonzales not appointing special prosecutors to prosecute war crimes, specifically torture, committed during the Bush Administration.

Professor Lipson might not have had time,.......Gonzales had resigned in September of 2007 after lying to Congress, approving torture, attempting to pad the Federal Judiciary, etc.

(laughter)

Perhaps you can find us some, snap...

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monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"The very fact that the “investigators” got thrown out of several ACORN offices..."

Could you please indicate a credible source for your opinion? The kids said they did not get thrown out of any office, and are far more believable than any ACORN claim to the contrary. (Obviously most of our elected reps agree.)

I believe that this is only the beginning of the unraveling of years of progressive radical "organizing". I can't wait to see what is coming next.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

That's our bozo, defending the indefensible since 2005.

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BigPrune 4 years, 7 months ago

Highly edited tapes? Are you nuts?

ACORN took Chicago politics nationwide. Someone needs to be investigating them then prosecuting them if they did something wrong. An independent counsel should be set up.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

A special prosecutor? That's absurd. If anything needs investigating, it's a job for local law enforcement pertaining to the employees caught on the highly edited tapes. The very fact that the "investigators" got thrown out of several ACORN offices is indication enough that this was an isolated incident involving a few individuals, and not something that deserves to be blown into a modern day witch hunt.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Got your Thready McThreadjack hat on today, porchie?

(laughter)

BTW, what's the word in Chicago? "Independent prosecutors should not be appointed lightly. But in this case, there are good reasons why Atty. Gen. Eric Holder and other political appointees in the Justice Department should step aside. First, although no allegations have yet touched the Obama campaign, ACORN did have significant ties to the campaign and other progressive causes. Published reports show that ACORN and its subsidiaries received some $800,000 from the Obama campaign to get out the vote. Second, ACORN is intimately tied to the Service Employees International Union, one of President Barack Obama's most powerful and vocal supporters.

ACORN's close ties to the progressive movement and Democratic Party mean that there will be little public confidence if Holder decides not to pursue an ambitious investigation and ultimately prosecute.

Ironically, ACORN's chief executive officer, Bertha Lewis, strengthens the case for an independent prosecutor with her robust defense of the organization. FOX News, she says, is pursuing her group solely for political reasons. They oppose ACORN, she says, because it is associated with progressive politics, labor organizing and the Obama administration's health-care initiative. Unfortunately for ACORN, Lewis' charges also mean that if the Obama administration decides not to prosecute or to indict only low-level employees, the public will wonder if they are seeing a political defense by ACORN's friends, a coverup rather than a fair-minded, independent decision by the Justice Department.

Holder has compounded these concerns with two recent decisions. In New Mexico, federal attorneys apparently recommended high-level prosecutions in the pay-for-play scandal swirling around Gov. Bill Richardson. Holder's office overrode them and dropped the case. Holder also decided to drop the voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia, where thugs were caught on tape brandishing clubs outside a voting precinct. In both cases, Holder has refused to explain his actions.

After these decisions and Holder's silence about them, there is simply no reason to hand him another high-profile case with political ramifications. What we have seen on tape cries out for a serious, independent investigation to determine if ACORN and its affiliates are a criminal enterprise, whether they have spent federal grants lawfully, whether they helped taxpayers file fraudulent returns, and whether they violated laws prohibiting tax-exempt organizations from engaging in partisan politics. These are big questions, and the public needs to know that Washington's answers are fair and impartial. "

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0920acornsep20,0,5835172.story

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porch_person 4 years, 7 months ago

ACORN has been around for awhile. It has problems of an embezzlement a decade ago, (an embezzlement that has been paid back long ago) and had a few office workers caught doing inappropriate things by the daughter of a conservative columnist but the major reason for this attention is that ACORN supports lower income and minorities who vote Democratic.

During Hurricane Katrina, ACORN was there, even if George W. Bush was not.

$2.5 million a year of federal support for the entire year for the entire organization? Compared to the Iraq invasion, and some of the things that have happened on Wall Street, that seems like a very small amount of money.

Let's play around with the figures...

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As of 9/20/09, we've been in Iraq for 6.5 months or 2376 days. Current estimated cost of the Iraq invasion is roughly $684,280,000,000.

Doing the math, we spend $287,996,632 every day in Iraq.

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We spend over a hundred times more in Iraq every day than ACORN gets from the Federal government every year.

HUD has given ACORN $42,000,000 since 2000. What we spend in Iraq in one day is 6.8 times what HUD has spent on ACORN this decade.

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Are we in Iraq under false pretenses? Yes, George W. Bush lied three times about why we were there.

How many soldiers have we lost so far in Iraq? Coalition forces have lost 4,662 so far.

How many people has ACORN killed under false pretenses? None.

Do the Iraqis want us there now? No.

Have we caught Osama Bin Laden yet? No.

Just to put things in perspective.

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farfle 4 years, 7 months ago

"Obama helped represent ACORN in a 1995 lawsuit against Illinois that forced enactment of the “motor-voter law,” making it easier to register to vote."

Also, in 1994 he represented them when they sued Citibank, forcing them to make low quality mortgages. With the money from that they opened 30 new branches. Of course the mainstream media is not going to tell you that.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

I would say a lap dog does not have one-tenth the devotion to it's owner as the corrupt liberal media does to the Democratic Party. Why are NBC and it's affiliates ratings so abysmal? People's ears have perked up like a german shephard's....while we're using dog analogies, that's why.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0909/Beck_breaks_down_ACORN_coverage.html

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Ralph Reed 4 years, 7 months ago

It strikes me that panicking Conservatives are grasping at any thread to try and recover from what Tom so lovingly calls a mistake last November. I agree that the Democrats did similar things with the Halliburton Scandal (millions in no-bid contracts for a corporation once headed by VP Cheney). Halliburton had absolutely no hint of kickbacks and Federal money washed into someone's pocket, right (rolls eyes)? (Hmmm, sounds like someone was using political office for political gain.)

Read this from the article above, "Republicans are using ACORN to portray Democrats as corrupt and distract Obama from his policy agenda, the same way Democrats used issues involving Halliburton, the giant government contractor and ex-employer of former Vice President Dick Cheney, against the GOP during the Bush years. Top Republicans from congressional leaders to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger want criminal probes of ACORN and conservative voters are pressuring news organizations for coverage."

I've already spoke to the Halliburton part of the quote. Notice the first line where it says Reps are using ACORN to portray Dems as corrupt and distract President Obama from his agenda. Then later where conservatives want a probe and news coverage.

This is simply tit for tat. The Reps have found something to embarass the Dems and they're making the most of it. I agree that given the current allegations, ACORN should be investigated. However, I also call for investigations of Halliburton and everything brought to light about their connects with the last two administrations. That's not been done completely as I recall - probably out of fear of embarassing the government as a whole. In fact, it probably never will be.

We live in a country that is of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation; not one that is of the people, by the people and for the people. This is an example of the country in which we live, it's sad.

Tom, you said Dems would even dip their own in grease when necessary. Not quite sure where that fits, but you must remember the Reps and Conservatives have a long history of doing the same to their own also. If you're going to color with a broad brush, make sure you stroke both ways.

As an afterthought, can anyone tell me why "Fair and Balanced" Fox News refused to carry the President's last speech, where all the other networks did. Someone besides Tom or Boris; their answers will be in the vein of, "all the rest of the media are liberal lap dogs." We already know their responses, so someone else, please.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

BigPrune, nothing is too low for Democrats when it comes to insuring a win at election time. The majority of the media is right in there with them, since about 80% of them are self-ID'd Democrats. Here's a link I posted from the NYT on another thread. Shameless, spineless Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html?_r=2&th&emc=th

"But Mr. Obama’s political team and other party leaders have grown increasingly worried that the governor’s unpopularity could drag down Democratic members of Congress in New York, as well as the Democratic-controlled Legislature, in next fall’s election."

Nice bunch, those Democrats. They'll even dip their own in the grease when necessary.

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BigPrune 4 years, 7 months ago

This group is obviously a splinter group of the Democrat Party so my question begs, why are they getting Federal funding at all?

The race to defund this corrupt organization is a race for the Democrats in Congress to cover their *sses before re-election time.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"The fact that ACORN would be willing to assist a pimp set up a brothel where underage illegal aliens are forced to rent out their bodies to assorted lowlifes didn't shock me. Come on, this the 21st Century version of Tammany Hall, no illegality is too low for them to go.

What shocked me was that the "street level" ACORN workers would lack street smarts and fall for such an obvious ruse."

http://moxargongroup.blogspot.com/

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monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"...ACORN to portray Democrats as corrupt and distract Obama from his policy ..."

IMHO, this actually seems to be the policy and largely the point of the "undercover investigation".

"Pretty much sums up the entire “controversy.”

Imagine, someone having an agenda -- kinda like ACORN's agenda?

"Too bad they don't have poll taxes anymore, right, Boris?"

Who needs poll taxes if Black Panthers with clubs can be just as effective? With absolutely no repercussion, I might add.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

An ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree.

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tomatogrower 4 years, 7 months ago

"Now in hot water, did ACORN grow too big for its own good?" Yes, not unlike many of our corporations. Isn't it time to go after them as well? How many "financial" institutions have taught people how to hide their money in foreign accounts? How is this any different than what ACORN did with the conservative pimps? Maybe liberals should start doing their own investigations too.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 7 months ago

"ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama for president and his campaign gave an ACORN subsidiary $832,000 for get-out-the-vote activities.

Pro-Democratic groups, including unions, paid ACORN branches and affiliates for get-out-the-vote activities in the last election."

Pretty much sums up this entire “administration.”

And why last November there was error made, and why people are turning away from this radical fraud in droves. Of course the crooked elite mainstream media will do as much as possible for damage control at this point for The Anointed Messiah of the Banana Republic of America.

Remember what he said, the constitution is 'an imperfect document' and basically 'flawed'.

Socialist and athiest Madalyn Murray O'Hair could not have agreed more.

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Kawatchi 4 years, 7 months ago

So did O'Keefe go to ACORN because it registers minorities, or did he say "Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization"? There is a big difference.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

"ACORN has been committing voter fraud all over the country."

Continually repeating a lie will never make it true.

"They give advice on how to cheat on your taxes, illegally obtain federal money and even assist in the importation of illegal alien minors to be used as prostitutes."

According to one highly edited video of three employees out of 700, and thousands of volunteers. And what was the motivation of the guy who made the video?

'James O’Keefe, one of the two filmmakers, said he went after ACORN because it registers minorities likely to vote against Republicans: “Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization,” O’Keefe told The Washington Post.'

Too bad they don't have poll taxes anymore, right, Boris?

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Boris 4 years, 7 months ago

ACORN has been committing voter fraud all over the country. They give advice on how to cheat on your taxes, illegally obtain federal money and even assist in the importation of illegal alien minors to be used as prostitutes. Yes Mr. Bozo, you should be proud of you organization.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

'James O’Keefe, one of the two filmmakers, said he went after ACORN because it registers minorities likely to vote against Republicans: “Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization,” O’Keefe told The Washington Post.'

Pretty much sums up the entire "controversy."

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