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ACORN plans internal investigation

September 17, 2009

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— The community organizing group ACORN said Wednesday it is ordering an independent investigation after its employees were caught on camera appearing to advise a couple posing as a prostitute and pimp to lie about the woman’s profession to get housing help.

The group, which came under fire from conservatives for alleged voter fraud in 2008, said it is refusing new admissions into its service programs.

The group, which advocates for poor people, conducted a massive voter registration effort last year and became a target of conservatives when some employees were accused of submitting false registration forms with names such as “Mickey Mouse.” ACORN has said only a handful of employees submitted false registration forms and did so in a bid to boost their pay.

ACORN will work with its advisory council, which includes prominent supporters of President Barack Obama, such as John Podesta, president of the nonprofit Center for American Progress, and Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, to name an independent auditor and investigator, ACORN chief executive Bertha Lewis said in a written statement.

The investigation will examine all the systems and processes called into question by the video, Lewis said.

In addition, ACORN won’t accept new admissions into its community service programs, effective immediately, and within the next few days will conduct staff training, she said.

Lewis said the steps were being taken in response to “the indefensible action of a handful of our employees.”

The moves are among several developments in recent days involving ACORN, a liberal-leaning group that is a popular target for Republicans. In addition to the hidden-camera video, it is under scrutiny for several voter-registration fraud cases.

Some Republicans are urging the Justice Department to investigate ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, and the Census Bureau last week severed its ties with the group for the 2010 national head-count.

Asked Wednesday about the controversy, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said that “obviously the conduct that you see on those tapes is completely unacceptable.”

“I think everyone would agree with that. The administration takes accountability extremely seriously,” Gibbs said. “I think the Census Bureau evaluated and determined that this group could not meet the bureau’s goal of achieving a fair and accurate count in 2010.”

Comments

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Given that the only "dirt" we have about ACORN comes from those stellar investigators, and "lovers of facts," at FOX news, we really should have a full investigation of ACORN, but by someone who's actually interested in real facts, not Murdoch/O'Reilly demagoguery.

imastinker 5 years, 3 months ago

Bozo - are you saying that you didn't find the videos appalling?

Practicality 5 years, 3 months ago

This is a complete joke. An organization can only invesitgate itself if they are honest. That is why this won't work. Kinda like Barry Switzer investigating his Sooners for academic fraud back in the 80's. LOL!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"Please, there is a mountain of evidence going back years on ACORN."

Well, there's certainly a mountain of molehills.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"Well, there's certainly a mountain of molehills."

83-7 - does that ring a bell, boozo? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/16/us.acorn/index.html

At least we won't have home invaders posing as census workers at our door: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/16/home-invasion-robbers-pose-as-obamacare-activists/#comments

...or Acorn counting boozo as 100 people in Dennis Moore's district.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

ACORN certainly has problems, and needs to tighten up its supervision of its employees.

But it's single biggest problem is that it's been a little to successful in promoting causes antithetical to the views of Fox News, who know that its brand of bad and biased reporting about ACORN will appeal to folks like Tom, and the advertisers wanting him to buy their crap.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

Anybody else find it odd that the Today Show didn't even cover this story this morning? Considering how involved ACORN was with the last election it seems a little odd...

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

flicker - sorry, but it is not odd at all.

"In February, 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn. [4]. Under Mr Immelt General Electric has received large scale debt support from the United States government."

"As CEO of General Electric in 2007, Jeffrey R. Immelt earned a total compensation of $14,209,267, which included a base salary of $3,300,000, a cash bonus of $5,800,000, stocks granted of $4,713,000, and options granted of $0.[7] In 2008, he earned a total compensation of $5,717,469, which included a base salary of $3,300,000, stocks granted of $2,044,650, and other compensation of $372,819. "

Isn't the kind of guy that the boozo-merrills resent?

GE is also the company poised to bring you "smart grid" and to make sure your medical records get to the government.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Anyone or anything can be criticized, including ACORN, and if the criticism is valid, ACORN needs to pay heed.

But ACORN is catching the wrath of all you hyper-moral tighty righties not because of the actions of a few individuals in their employ (That's all the "mountains of evidence" amount to.)

This is nothing more than politics, not a concern for the law, and Fox News is very good at exploiting you ignorant rubes over it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"We should expect decency from all citizens regardless of race. "

When will we get some from you?

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 3 months ago

Love my country but ashamed of my government. It's full of real bozos!

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"When will we get some from you?" ....that's rich.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

Bozo -

Don't you think that just maybe the "few employees" you refer to might be an example of what's being funneled down from above? You aren't really that naive are you? You always want to play the cynic on a topic but you loose credibility with each post as you flip and flop your way around this forum.

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

Wow, that ACORN organization sure has some shady employees, they need to do some serious house cleaning before they apply for further funding. But shut 'em down completely? No way! Any group that riles up TomShewman, and MarionLynn like ACORN does must be doing something good.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Defending the indefensible, that's our bozo.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"Don't you think that just maybe the “few employees” you refer to might be an example of what's being funneled down from above?"

Maybe. And if that's the case, then ACORN has serious problems. Unfortunately, Fox News has shown itself primarily concerned with propaganda and demagoguery, not fact-finding.

"You aren't really that naive are you?"

The real naivete resides within Fox News viewers who think they actually learn anything by watching it.

"You always want to play the cynic on a topic but you loose credibility with each post as you flip and flop your way around this forum. "

I'm not really concerned if anyone on this thread finds me "credible." Including you, flicker.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"Defending the indefensible, that's our bozo."

What am I defending, snap? And try to be just a little specific, although I understand that'll be a stretch for you.

yankeevet 5 years, 3 months ago

ACORN lives off of the taxpayers; just like congress does.................

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

Funny how P.P. will defend the anything Obama related to the death. For the love of it all - get out of your house and see that yes, your party may have a few flaws.

Bozo, seriously? You can't honestly believe that Fox is throwing out propaganda here do you. Well, I guess you could. If this was a Repub. driven and supported group something tells me you would be having a hay day with the unbelievable thought that tax payer money was being thrown at these practices. Being a cynic, on just about everything, exposes you for what you are.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"You can't honestly believe that Fox is throwing out propaganda here do you. "

That's what they do. Why would I think otherwise?

That said, if there are really systemic problems at ACORN, then investigate them (and that will require someone other than FOX to accomplish.) Cherry picking a couple of idiots at one office somewhere doesn't constitute useful investigative reporting.

If you're interested, here's an interview of the head of ACORN, done this morning.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/17/acorn_head_bertha_lewis_vows_action

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

yankeevet - "Yes, but congress lives better" ba - dum - bump.

Really though...what's your point?

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

Bozo, ACORN has a long history of corruption and manipulation - do your homework. This isn't an "isolated couple of idoots" at one office.

P.P., way to change the subject.

Jimo 5 years, 3 months ago

It's important to keep in mind that acorn is the object of so attention not because it runs itself in a manner likely to be worse than many similar organizations of either the left or right, but because it is extraordinary effective at registering the poor, the young, and the dispossessed to vote (a/k/a, Democrats).

That said, I'm disappointed that after shopping around from one acorn office to another these "investigators" found ANY low level functionary giving out this unethical and perhaps illegal advice.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Systemic corruption, that's the name of the game over at ACORN. The O'dude is standing before a mirror right now practicing his disappointed expression for the speech where he will say "this is not the ACORN I knew".

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"Um, this has happened at three different offices involving multiple people. "

These "investigative reporters" visited literally dozens of ACORN offices, where the reaction was to throw them out, sometimes with the assistance of the police. I wonder why Fox isn't showing any of that video footage.

Clearly, in any organization if even a few of your employees do what was caught in these videos, it warrants a serious review of your hiring and training practices, but Fox and the right wing aren't concerned about that-- their only real concern, as Jimo points out, is all the poor people that ACORN has registered to vote.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"I can think a quite few race based/racist policies championed by democrats."

OK, go ahead.

Practicality 5 years, 3 months ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

"Ok, that makes three offices out of twelve thousand."

Well porchie, it is doubtful they investigated twelve thousand offices. More than likely, they only investigated a few. So if the sample was 3 out of 10, or 3 out of 5, it is just quite possible there is wide spread corruption throughout the entire organization.

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

Going office to office until you find someone to say really, really stupid stuff on tape is entrapment. Has the right been praising those who threw the actors out of their office and notified authorities? Didn't think so.

Time to start sending moles into conservative organizations trying to find someone doing something bad, thus people can then make the claim that it applies to all in that organization and that the entire system is corrupt.

Laying a trap like this, let's see, isn't this what that former governor of Alaska called "gotcha politics"?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm getting dizzy watching the spinning from the left.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

P.P. and Bozo, I really don't think you want to live in this country. You both would love to see America give up what makes it unique (and special in this world) then fall in line with other social driven countries - how about we just join the EU? Yea, we can conform and be just like them! Why don't you both go round up Merrill and catch the next flight over to Germany then you can all live happily ever after!

Watch all news Bozo, yes including FOX. Just the fact you are excluding a FOX as the primary source shows you are not able evaluate ALL sources and make a logical conclusions for yourself. Yep, it's on FOX so immediately disregard it, right?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

The quality of "thinking" that went into your last post is precisely why I don't watch Fox News, flicker.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

Have fun with it Bozo, that's why we're here.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

The only "investigation" that ACORN will do is to figure out which files need to be shredded and how many shredder trucks it will take.

This is also crazy on the media side. Not one story on ACORN on CNN, yet here is John Stewart in all his glory:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2009/09/16/the-audacity-of-hos-daily-show-skewers-acorn/

even John gets it.

Additionally, the "liberal spin machine" is stating that this was only a few ACORN Offices, and that the pair of true journalists were "thrown out" of many ACORN offices is not true. THe tapes they got were from every one of their entries, NONE of the offices rejected them or threw them out. In fact at the San Diego office the ACORN officer was going to assist in the trafficing of underage illegal aliens into the U.S. for the purposes of prostitution (sex slaves), and he was goint to assist through his "connections". ON top of that, he propositioned the posing "prostitute">

ACORN is a nut that needs to be cracked, and no clear thinking person can defend this corrupt organization.

If you thought George Bush was corrupt, he has nothing on ACORN.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

"If there are problems with ACORN, they'll get sorted out. There are problems with many companies, believe it or not, more significant than some community housing organization for poor people."

But these other companies "pay taxes" and ACORN does not. Additionally ACORN is given Taxpayer money, and yes it is required to be audited by just about any Office of Inspector General of just about any agency. Additionally, what ACORN did in those videos is missappropriation of attempted amisappropriation of federal tax dollars, and those are major misdemeanors, and felonies.

So yes, ACORN is a criminal eenterprise.

They need to be investigated, and the "taransparent Obama Administration" whould do just that, have a special investigation.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

P.P. - I guess when I see the current administration, and you, wanting to change the fundamentals that this country was built on - individual responsibility - than yes I'd say love it or leave it.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

"ACORN will be investigated but it's small potatoes. You're talking millions versus the billions of dollars that have been ripped off from US by Halliburton, Blackwater, etc."

Wrong, as ACORN has received upwards of $100 Million, and will receive up to $8.5 BILLION in this funding stream. It is collosal waste and fraud, and those of you defending ACORN need to now just shut up about Bush, Cheney, and Haliburton, and KBR.

Fraud, waste and corruption is toxic to our Republic, and excusing it is not in the citizens best interest.

jimmyjms 5 years, 3 months ago

All I can say is thank God that various and sundry republicans and the GOP at large has never held hands with any unseemly folks!

At least these republicans were posing as prostitutes instead of visiting them...right?

"those of you defending ACORN need to now just shut up about Bush, Cheney, and Haliburton, and KBR."

Um, why, exactly? In comparison, this totally and completely unacceptable situation pales next to what Dick and the dub were able to pull...only I don't recall any of the usual suspects (asbestos, Tom, etc.) whining too loudly about it back then....

Tell me, how many members of the United States Military has ACORN killed? 'Cuz Halliburton/KBR has a bodycount.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 3 months ago

"Cherry picking a couple of idiots at one office somewhere doesn't constitute useful investigative reporting." -bozo

There are at least five videos from five separte ACORN offices. Each one shows ACORN employees assisting the "pimp" set up his prostitution ring.

Disgusting.

Indefensible.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"According to Stern, Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Fully aware of its living-wage campaign’s tendency to drive businesses out of cities, Acorn hopes to force companies that want to move to obtain “exit visas.” “How much longer before Acorn calls for exit visas for wealthy or middle-class individuals before they can leave a city?” asks Stern, adding, “This is the road to serfdom indeed.”

In Your Face Acorn’s tactics are famously “in your face.” Just think of Code Pink’s well-known operations (threatening to occupy congressional offices, interrupting the testimony of General David Petraeus) and you’ll get the idea. Acorn protesters have disrupted Federal Reserve hearings, but mostly deploy their aggressive tactics locally. Chicago is home to one of its strongest chapters, and Acorn has burst into a closed city council meeting there. Acorn protesters in Baltimore disrupted a bankers’ dinner and sent four busloads of profanity-screaming protesters against the mayor’s home, terrifying his wife and kids. Even a Baltimore city council member who generally supports Acorn said their intimidation tactics had crossed the line." http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

More good stuff from the article:

Obama Meets Acorn What has Barack Obama got to do with all this? Plenty. Let’s begin with Obama’s pre-law school days as a community organizer in Chicago. Few people have a clear idea of just what a “community organizer” does. A Los Angeles Times piece on Obama’s early Chicago days opens with the touching story of his efforts to build a partnership with Chicago’s “Friends of the Parks,” so that parents in a blighted neighborhood could have an inviting spot for their kids to play. This is the image of Obama’s organizing we’re supposed to hold. It’s far from the whole story, however. As the L. A. Times puts it, “Obama’s task was to help far South Side residents press for improvement” in their communities. Part of Obama’s work, it would appear, was to organize demonstrations, much in the mold of radical groups like Acorn.

KansasVoter 5 years, 3 months ago

Why aren't the people who are so upset about the tax dollars ACORN gets also upset about the trillions of dollars (yes, trillions) that the "defense" department can't account for? Not to mention the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted in george bush's Iraq war. If you weren't such hypocrites, intelligent people might take you seriously.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

P.P. - I think you may need to deal with Obama losing many in the middle, like myself, who voted for him (much higher percentage than those with your beliefs). Something tells my from the naïve take of your posts that you see his media-inflated walls crumbling as well, although you'll never admit

And yes, you and this administration want to slowly take away individual responsibility. Hard core dems like yourself think everybody is a victim (except the all greedy rich) and that there needs to be some sort of program in place to help them/us out. That, my friend, is not what this country was built on.

Also, great way to change the topic to health care since you always seem to try and spin everything. Personally I am hoping that Obama does try to ram-rod HIS health care plan down American throats. You will witness a backlash like never before costing many dems their seats in '10 and the presidency in '12. Guaranteed.

By the way, I'm right there with you on SOME of the criticisms of Bush.

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

KansasVoter -

Exactly, that's why one should never follow allegiance to one party. It's a game of hypocrisy if you keep finger pointing since they are both flawed with examples that are all over these forums.

JackKats 5 years, 3 months ago

So let me get this right. If only the 5 offices were in on this and not any of the others that is not enough to cut off funds or to investigate? If the pimp story were true, that would mean only 75 underage Salvadorian girls would be smuggled in for prostitution.

One would be too many for me to accept.

This type of investigation does not seem any more like entrapment then those "Caught on Camera" about those sleeze bags who show up to have sex with underage girls they met on the internet only to find the police waiting for them along with a MSM correspondent. But but that is different......

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

Bring on the investigation-- it can't be any worse than the myriad other distractions the hard-right has resorted to to soothe their egos over having made themselves wholly irrelevant through years of gross incompetence and arrogant ignorance. But let's not pretend that some second-rate hacks from a third-rate "news organization" constitute a legitimate investigation.

Alexander Neighbors 5 years, 3 months ago

yea the scandal video was shot in the most poverty stricken area. Doesn't mean the entire program needs to be shot down .

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

flicker: "I guess when I see the current administration, and you, wanting to change the fundamentals that this country was built on - individual responsibility - than yes I'd say love it or leave it."

Interesting choice of words. As you point out, it should be about individual responsibility. The "pimp adviser" was an individual. She should be held accountable. Why should the entire ACORN organization be blamed for this individual's actions?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

The ACORN guy in San Diego wanted a piece of the action!

(laughter)

Jimo 5 years, 3 months ago

So, to recap: we have 2 groups. One, acorn, has a few employees who feel free to give some questionable advice when asked by strangers, and once registered "Mickey Mouse" to vote but gets a few million from the gov't.

On the other, we have Blackwater, who murders those who testify against it, hunts down Iraqis for sport, criminally smuggles weapons both for its own use and as a means to raise revenue, engages in racketeering, holds underage girls prison for prostitution, destroys documents, lies to government investigators, possesses, distributes and uses illegal weaponry within the U.S., stolen money from the Treasury, and committed war crimes on numerous occasions. And receives more millions from the gov't than we'll ever know.

Yet, wingnuts are obsessed about acorn but can't even admit the truth about Blackwater. Hmmm...

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

In other news: "This week's Senate vote on cutting all federal housing funds for ACORN passed by an 83-7 margin, with 50 Democrats voting for the ban." http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Senate-Republicans-move-to-extend-ACORN-funding-ban-59613852.html

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

P.P. - Health care needs to change, there's no disputing that. Just not with the public option that Obama wants. The middle class will get hurt the most and I personally don't like the idea of paying the health care for those who have no intent to go out and find a job. Yes, yes, I'm insensitive to "those in need". If you actually think our gov't can run a successful health care program you've never dealt with gov't processes. It will cost more than they say and you and I will be paying the price for it for a very long time. Even Obama himself compared his health care plan to the Post Office when saying private insurance would be able to compete with a public option - just like FedEx and UPS compete with the USPS. I think we all know how well the USPS is run. Idiotic comparison Obama.

beatrice - Seriously?

flicker 5 years, 3 months ago

P.P. - This column isn't about health care. Save it.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

The hits just keep coming. “The US House today joined the Senate in voting to defund ACORN, the community advocacy group beset by allegations of voter registration fraud and videotapes apparently showing employees advising conservative activists posing as a prostitute and pimp how to break the law. The measure, offered as part of a motion on a student loan bill, passed by a vote of 345-75, with all "no" votes coming from Democrats.” http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/09/house_votes_to.html

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

flicker, of course I am serious.

Who is responsible for giving out pimp advice, the individuals who did this, or the entire organization including those who kicked them out of their offices? Why can you see this as "individual responsibility?"

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

Beatrice - You asked of Flicker "Why can you see this as “individual responsibility?”

Because he can't, any more than he can claim to be from the middle (see 2:22pm). The middle doesn't exist anymore. One cannot take a position in opposition to one extreme or the other without being becoming part of the opposing extreme.

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, so far we have had -

(Laugher) (ridiculously uncontrollable laughter) (uncontrollable laughter) (guttural giggle) and (reserved, concerned, reverent, restrained laughter)

What is with the narration? Some childish way of irritating each other? Am I supposed to type (fart) if I pass gas while typing this?

All the world's a stage - and some of you are writing scripts!

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

PP wrote: "#1 The pair of “investigative reporters” were boyfriend and girlfriend pretending to be pimp and prostitute. The “prostitute”, Hannah Giles, is the daughter of conservative columnist Doug Giles and a college student. The pimp is her boyfriend. So much for objective journalism."

What does their relationship have to do with "jurnalism"? At least they are doing some "investigative reporting". CNN, MSNBC, all the rest of the "Lame Stream Media" cannot even manage to look at this crapola, and just give it a pass. """""""""""""""""""""""

"#2 The “investigative journalist” supplied the infraction, akin to entrapment. I'm not apologizing for the people in the Brooklyn office who participated in this scandal but I think it's ..."

Yeah, blah blah. I guess that Watergate was therefore just as bad because of the undercover work. You are such a person that is FOS. BTW, the videos are all from offices visited, they were not thrown out of any offices. They have 6 tapes from 6 consecutive visits. SO you don't know what you are talking about, as usual. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "#3 I can't believe you think ACORN has a bigger cash flow that the invasion of Iraq."

Who said anything about Iraw? I was talking about the unfocused rage against all things Bush and Cheney, just by association. You can't have it both ways, excuse ACORN corruption then B8637 about Cheney and Bush. That is just unhinged and biased, and not very becoming. Just another Kool aide drinker, you are.

Besides Genius, almost the entire Senate and House have voted to de-fund ACORn, even Democrats, and even Obama and his News minions are distancing themselves from ACORN.

They are Politically more Toxic that Bush.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 3 months ago

"The “Obama is “losing the middle is Rasmussen BS. In fact, Obama has gained in the last month at Rasmussen."

To quote Barney Frank:

"What Planet are you from?"

He has lost 20% of favorability from the Independents over the summer, and that is a fact.

Quit looking at old polls.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Have the wheels on Air Force One been replaced with spinners yet?

UfoPilot 5 years, 3 months ago

Kool Aid drinkers running amuck again...

jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Yet you claim that the costs of the most expensive health care system in the world will increase if we introduce competition!!"

Well, costs won't increase for you, porch. People that earn their own living.....yeah, it's gonna cost them more.

And you just keep telling yourself a public option would be "competition". That's like calling a football game between KU and a Lawrence junior high a "competition". It's not a "competition" if one side has completely overwhelming advantages. Case in point:

  • the government doesn't have to turn a profit; current insurance provider laws mandate that an insurer must hold 4 times their monthly claims paid in reserve. When the guv can and will print their own money as we have seen, this is a huuuuuuuge advantage = guv, though that won't matter. They can circumvent the law 'cuz, well, they make the law, and if they had to match the private insurers they'd just take the cash from us in taxes or rape SS some more. Easy peasy. -the government option would be instantly available nationwide; yeah, that's the epitome of "competition"--now the guv's got two extraordinary, game-breaking advantages the "opponents" lack. No health insurer is nationwide. In fact, there are numerous laws restricting the insurance industry as to intrastate practice. Easy Peasy.

The government getting involved now is not a competition, it's a precursor to the takeover of the industry. President Obama has said as much, it's on tape, look it up. He spoke of how he didn't think "we" could eliminate the private insurers in 5 or 10 years, it would probably take 15 to 20.
We need reform. What's going on is labeled such, but isn't anywhere close. Don't whine to me how we rank vs. the world in healthcare; it's a ridiculous, empty, apples to oranges argument. Each country harbors different circumstances, populations, etc. And noone in front of us has one quarter of our population except for Japan.
We need reform: lower costs, malpractice award limits, portability and rights for individuals covered prior to diagnosis, etc. The government offering their own "product" is NOT reform. It's intrusion and I pray it doesn't happen.

Mixolydian 5 years, 3 months ago

This is not the actions of a few rogue employees.

How in the Heck can anyone defend this group except for ideological reasons?

Not to mention the voter fraud criminal cases across the country, these latest videos are, literally, from one coast to the next. That's a criminal enterprise, not a bad employee.

Sorry ACORN, Chris Hanson is still asking you to have a seat over there. Your defense doesn't work for prostitution and child predator stings either.

TopJayhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Bea. Gotcha polotics. So are you admitting that Sarah Palin was treated unfairly?

Sigmund 5 years, 3 months ago

The House voted to deny Federal money to ACORN 345 to 75, and the Senate vote on a similar measure 83 to 7. After reconciliation and when President Obama signs the Bill, ACRON will join Rev. Wright, Van Jones, and his grandmother underneath, instead of on, the bus.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"After reconciliation and when President Obama signs the Bill, ACRON will join Rev. Wright, Van Jones, and his grandmother underneath, instead of on, the bus."

I'm afraid they will simply be "reassigned".

standuporget 5 years, 3 months ago

For Porch and Beatrice - Things Democrats didn't do for minorities. Not mine I got this from some where else. Here is a list of Republican Accomplishments for the Black Population.

  1. 1863 Emancipation Proclamation
  2. 1865 The 13th Amendment- Abolishing Slavery
  3. 1866 Civil Rights Act of 1866-Ending Slavery
  4. 1868 14th Amendment- Giving Citizenship to former slaves
  5. 1870 15th Amendment- Right to vote
  6. 1871 Civil Rights Act of 1871-Anti KKK Act
  7. 1875 Civil Rights Act of 1875- Prohibiting Discrimination in Public Accommodations
  8. 1909 NAACP founded by 3 “White” Republicans
  9. 1909 Over 200 Anti-Lynching Bills were introduced since that time. They were all defeated by Democrats
  10. Democrats reigned supreme in Congress for the entire first half century.
  11. 1957 Civil Rights Act of 1957-Established a Civil Rights Commission
  12. 1960 Civil Rights Act of 1960-Federal Inspections of Voter Registration Polls
  13. 1964 Civil Rights Act of 1964-Anti-Discrimination-Written by Everett McKinkley Dirksen
  14. 1965 Voting Rights Act of 1965-Written by Everett McKinkley Dirksen
  15. 1968 Fair Housing Act -Written by Everett McKinkley Dirksen
  16. The following is a list of some of the black schools and colleges that were founded by prominent Republicans in the face of opposition from Democrats.

Morehouse College 1867 Atlanta, GA Howard University 1867 Washington, DC Spelman College 1881 Atlanta, GA Shaw University 1865 Raleigh, NC Fisk University 1866 Nashville, TN Atlanta University 1867 Atlanta, GA Virginia Union University 1899 Richmond, VA Straight University 1869 New Orleans, LA Talladega College 1867 Talladega, AL Clark University 1870 Atlanta, GA Meharry Medical College 1867 Nashville, TN Morgan College 1867 Baltimore, MD New Orleans University 1873 New Orleans LA Philander Smith College 1883 Little Rock AR Rust College 1883 Holy Spring MS Samuel Houston College 1900 Austin, TX

Prominent Black Republicans Michael Steele-RNC Chairman Martin Luther King Jr. Frederick Douglass Justice Clarence Thomas Thomas Sowell Dr. Condelezza Rice Alphonso Jackson Kenneth Blackwell Col. Alan West J.C. Watts Denzel Washington Herman Cain Walter Williams

Practicality 5 years, 3 months ago

standuporget,

You forgot to mention Colin Powell in you Prominent Black Republicans list.

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

standuporget - I looked over your list, but I wonder about it's validity to the arguments above. Both the Democratic and Republican parties have changed considerably since the Civil War. Recall that the Democratic party was the party of the south well into the 1960's. The list you supplied notes the last accomplishment in 1968, and the list of schools are from over 100 years ago with ca. 90% located in the southern states.

Wouldn't your counter argument would be better supported if you could limit your examples to those of current generations?

standuporget 5 years, 3 months ago

current generations? Some of us were alive in the sixties. Republicans started those schools in the south. must have been to keep the blacks down there. Democrats take credit for things they fought against, do you remember the 90's, balanced budget welfare reform. I'm sure Beatrice and Bozo can list all the rest. Vouchers - so we can go to private schools like the president..................................

tbaker 5 years, 3 months ago

Bozo & Porch - Watch the undercover videos. They speak for themselves. Until recently, the network media wasn't following the story. Fox News was the only place you could. It's not their fault the rest of the media wasn't following it. That doesn't make this some sinister Fox News story designed to hurt democrats / President, especially now since the rest of the pro-Obama media has finally caught up and is now devoting coverage to the story.

ACORN receives tens of millions in tax dollars. Scores of ACORN employees have been convicted of crimes in the past year. There are documented cases of embezzlement of over a million dollars (Rathke brothers) These videos clearly portray yet another disturbing pattern of corruption. As such people should be and are justly concerned about this organization.

The decision whether or not they should be de-funded by congress should be the outcome of a federal investigation, but since the Attorney General won't do it, congress has little choice to act in the face of public outrage. I'd prefer they waited and made a decision like that based on a solid investigation rather than emotion / fear of constituent back-lash, but you can't blame them if the AG doesn't think this case merits a visit from the FBI.

remember_username 5 years, 3 months ago

Keep your head, standuporget. Yes, I was was alive in the sixties as well, but not of an age to craft policy. Of course, those schools were needed in the south as African Americans were not allowing into most southern schools until the civil rights movement took hold. I was only pointing out your list is dated and your argument is better served by current examples - such as vouchers, ok?

However, since you're feeling frisky.

The use of the list you provided (and did not reference) implies that you are proposing the principles of today's Republican party is fundamentally the same as the Republican party of the Civil War era, at least as far as minority actions are concerned. And by extension the Democratic party of today is fundamentally the same as the Democratic party of the same period.

Would you like to support that assertion? If not, then don't copy a list from some unreferenced source, prepare your own - it will be better for the debate and you'll learn more in the process. If you would like to support the above assertion, then excellent, let's have some fun.

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

snap: "Have the wheels on Air Force One been replaced with spinners yet?"

That one was worth repeating. Apparently, snap believes all blacks have "spinners" on their cars. Do you think this true of Colin Powell as well Snap? Nice, real nice.

What I am saying about this case is that it sought out individuals to do stupid stuff, and then was shown as if that was the organization's way of conducting their daily business. These conservative posers were unsuccessful on several attempts, but we don't see those films. We only see the films of them eventually finding someone who acted like a complete fool. This is akin to going to gun stores trying to purchase a gun illegally, being told to leave by several of the stores, and when you finally find an unscrupulous dealer then you show it like it is true of all gun dealers.

standup: Where have I said ACORN or Democrats are doing anything one way or the other for Blacks, and that Blacks aren't doing for themselves? Where have I said that Blacks aren't also Republicans? Please point this out. What I have said is that an individual was stupid on tape, but that this wasn't ACORN's policy to give pimp advise, hence the actors being tossed from several offices. I just ask you, if these conservative actors never got a single person to behave stupidly, would we have heard about their secret films? This is about individuals who deserve to be fired, not the entire organization.

topjay, no, Palin wasn't treated unfairly. Do you still believe that Katie Couric is that tough of an interviewer?

beatrice 5 years, 3 months ago

Come on porch, you can't conclude that Shannon's experiences stem from racism.

Maybe they were just being sexist.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 3 months ago

Maybe they were just playing along with the joke as the ACORN workers are now claiming.

Thomas Muther 5 years, 3 months ago

All this uproar and demand for investigations into ACORN by reputed conservatives. It's a nice distraction from real and far worse scandals that continue to plague our government. Let's see--we have a war begun on the basis of lies and innuendo, resulting in the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands. Who's been held to account for that atrocity? We have torture instituted as official US policy for the first time in our history--in defiance of treaty, US statute, and Constitution. We have spying on US citizens, ordered by the president, again in defiance of statute and Constitution. We have the holding of US citizens for months (and in a few cases, years) without charge or access to attorneys. We have the government giving a free hand to banks and investment firms so they can take the entire world's economy and flush it down the toilet--and then pay these same people huge sums so they can do it all again in the future. We have our current president calling for authorization to keep people behind bars forever--even those who have been found innocent if the president deems it essential. THESE things in no way can be investigated. Heaven forbid if a president or vice-president be held accountable for their crimes as it might give pause to future presidents. No, we won't them to feel unrestrained from law so they can do anything they wish. But ACORN--that's a whole different ball-game. They aren't really important in the grand scheme of things and their crimes didn't result in uncounted deaths or the loss of trillions so they MUST be held to account.

Madness. Utter madness.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 3 months ago

beatrice...you aren't for real are you?

danemary 5 years, 3 months ago

OBAMA THE JOKER TRAINED EM! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? IF YOU VOTED FOR THIS CLOWN YOU MUST APOLOGIZE TO YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN FOR WHAT YOU DID TO THEM~~~~THEN GO TO CHURCH AND CONFESS YOUR MORTAL SIN!!

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