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KU student on bike hit by car

Student declines medical attention

October 25, 2009

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A 20-year-old Kansas University student was hit by a four-door BMW car as he rode his bicycle across Sixth Street on Saturday evening. Emergency crews responded to the accident about 7:20 p.m.

The victim said he was attempting to cross to the south side of Sixth Street where it intersects with Indiana Street when he was struck by the eastbound vehicle. He suffered an abrasion on his forehead and an injury to his leg, but declined medical attention. He also said he lost a shoe and his glasses during the accident.

No arrests were made at the scene.

Comments

Chocoholic 4 years, 5 months ago

gnome, didn't you get the little paper bicycle license in grade school on bicycle safety day? Apparently my little attempt at humor was littler than I thought. :)

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grammaddy 4 years, 5 months ago

Jeez!Quit arguing and trying to prove your point! We should all learn to share the road and be more observant of the others who may be using it also.Bottom line!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

beerguy--if I could, I'd get rid of all my vehicles tomorrow, and walk and bike everywhere.

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Beer Guy 4 years, 5 months ago

Poor Seamus, everyone is attacking him because they think bikes are the work of the devil.

And to just_another_bozo_on_this_bus:

I ride a bike, and yes I have a driver's license, WITH D.O.T certification which forces me to take drug and alcohol tests on a weekly basis, do you have to do that? And no I don't think a bike is a toy as its my only form of transportation. I drive a vehicle at work that requires D.O.T certification because of it weight and yet I make less then $9/hr, thus preventing me from owning a car anytime in the near future. How about that for irony?

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Chocoholic 4 years, 5 months ago

While you're watching out for both savvy and less-than-savvy bicyclists, here's another one to watch out for from the "Just So You Know He's Out There" department.

About 3 weeks ago my 11yo and I were southbound and stopped at the 19th & Iowa stoplight at about 9:00pm. We noticed a guy (college-age or older) standing at the curb on the southwest corner holding a skateboard. I didn't pay much attention at first, thinking he was going to head for the nearby sidewalk.

Apparently, that wasn't "X-games" enough for this guy. The next thing I knew, he took off on his skateboard from the corner and got into the southbound left lane. And it's not as though there was no traffic to speak of, there were about 5-6 cars headed south between 19th & 21st Sts. and a number lined up at the light waiting to go. My 11yo and I watched him flying down the hill along with the traffic, car brake lights flashing as they either caught sight of him or darn near plowed him. Did I mention it was dark outside?

A second later the light changed, and we started moving south ourselves. That allowed us to watch him gracefully execute the turn onto 21st St. and continue on his way (thankfully).

Maybe he's lost both his motor vehicle license and his bicycle license?

I guess the moral of the story is just to always expect the unexpected. Unfortunately, you can't always clearly see the unexpected coming at you.

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 5 months ago

Bicycle Safety & Etiquette

In Kansas, bicyclists are required to follow the same rules of the road as motorists. Please ride safely, be courteous to other roadway users, and abide by all Kansas traffic laws. Always ride a well-maintained bicycle and know your riding limitations. You should be able to ride comfortably with minimal strain at least half of the total distance planned to be covered each day of your tour.

Helmets: Bicyclists are strongly encouraged to wear American National Standards Institute (ANSI), or the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM), or Snell Memorial Foundation (Snell) approved helmets at all times.

Paved Shoulders: Bicyclists are strongly encouraged to ride on paved shoulders which are equal to or greater than three feet in width whenever they are available.

Ride to the Right, With Traffic: Ride with normal traffic flow and ride to the right side of the roadway. If lane width allows, stay two feet from the curb or roadway edge which will allow you maneuvering space to avoid debris or potholes. Lane markings are for your safety and benefit.

Be Predictable: Do not surprise a motorist, pedestrian or other bicyclist. Hold your line. Act predictably and avoid sudden movements. Do not show off by stunting or weaving in traffic.

Group Riding: Ride in single file on the right side of the roadway. Avoid overlapping wheels.

Use Arm Signals: Signaling intentions is essential to let motorists and riding companions know what you are about to do. Arm Signals to use are left, right, slow, and stop.

Pedestrians: Remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way.

Be Easily Seen: Wear brightly colored clothing and have reflectors on your bicycle. When riding after dusk, the bicycle must be equipped with a white light visible at 500 feet ahead and have a reflector visible at least 500 feet to rear. A flag is useful in increasing your visibility on rural roads.

Child Carriers: Carriers must offer the child protection from rear wheel spokes and a strap to secure the child.

Railroad Tracks: Stop within 15 feet of railroad crossings. Cross railroad tracks at right angles. Trains always have the right-of-way.

Other Important Safety Tips: Be extra careful at intersections, listen for overtaking vehicles, brake carefully in wet weather or on slippery surfaces, load your bicycle correctly, drink and eat properly, and be careful of dogs and other animals.

RIDE DEFENSIVELY: MAINTAIN A SAFETY FIRST ATTITUDE. IN A CRASH, WHETHER YOUR FAULT OR NOT YOUR FAULT YOU LOSE. USE ALL YOUR ABILITIES TO PROTECT YOURSELF

http://www.ksdot.org/burRail/bike/biking/KsBicyGuid.asp#biK

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Defender 4 years, 5 months ago

"Is there a stop light at Indiana and 6th? Sounds like the guy on the bike crossed in front of a moving car that had the right of way."

Also sounds like a competent driver in a competent car, according to the minor injuries. Agree, Larrynative? The cyclists in this town seem to believe that since they are more at risk in a car-bike accident, that they should have the right of way no matter what the road rules are.

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 5 months ago

Maybe there was a reason that, as elementary school students, we were taught to get off of our bikes and walk them across the intersection. There are not too many articles about cars hitting bikes that are being walked across the street.

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Steven Gaudreau 4 years, 5 months ago

Is there a stop light at Indiana and 6th? Sounds like the guy on the bike crossed in front of a moving car that had the right of way.

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 5 months ago

the lack of lighting didn't cause a drunk driver to leave Rachel alone to die without assistance. and, he and the two wenches in the car knew they'd hit her, given the damage to the car.
so, Godschild, you one of the low-life wenches that was in the car?


Costello, I had the same reaction. RichH was apparently quite helpful by his story and that's good. if he had his wife in the truck with him, perhaps a little less risky for the "pretty lady."

also, I am just inferring, but I think by the use of English, that RichH might be chinese/asian...maybe.

RichH, glad you helped and I hope "pretty lady" did learn. however, taking a ride from a stranger is dangerous for women, or well for anybody.

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parrothead8 4 years, 5 months ago

Jimo (Anonymous) says… Reading between the lines of this article it is clear that the headline is inaccurate and should state clearly: Car hit by KU student on bicycle.

That's just blatantly inflammatory, not to mention wrong. There's absolutely nothing in the article to even suggest that the cyclist hit the vehicle. If you're going to tell us to "read between the lines," perhaps you can tell everyone how you arrived at your ridiculously biased conclusion.

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Pogo 4 years, 5 months ago

GodsChild22:

I don't get it: There's simply no excuse or reason to drive off. Nothing can explain that other than an effort to avoid the law.

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GodsChild22 4 years, 5 months ago

You guys are so fair on this blog, but so unfair about the hit and run accident. I am not making excuses whatsoever about the person driving the car driving away. That was completely wrong, but if you read the articles, it as well said no disrespect to anyone that she as well had no reflectors or light clothes on. My prayers do go out to the family, but the passengers in the car didn't have control of the situation either, yet everyone was so mean and do not give the chance for anyone to explain anything. I do remember about a month ago or two, KU students arguing the fact that there are not enough street lights on these back streets and it is not safe. Maybe these two situations will make them think because people cannot see bicyclists and bicycles need reflectors no matter what. Its just obvious safety.

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Norma Jeane Baker 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't know for sure, costello, but I'm not totally buying richh's post. It looks a bit like a piece of Swiss cheese.

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tony88 4 years, 5 months ago

nice spouting of James Howard Kunstler's views... but i'm sure not all accidents of this type have to do with peak oil or the long emergency.

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notjustastudent 4 years, 5 months ago

Being a KU student on 2 wheels, I agree 100 % with Pogo and gsxr600. It's those cyclist that not only annoy the crap out of me, but paint the rest in a bad light. But that's what people need to remember- just because a lot of people do something doesn't mean everybody does. I know a lot of people who drive cars roll through stop signs, don't signal, turn in front of pedestrians in crosswalks, drive drunk, and generally drive like idiots, but I know that not everyone does. This is where personal responsibility comes in. I learned defensive driving in high school, and I apply it to any time I'm on the road.

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costello 4 years, 5 months ago

"Last month, I see one pretty lady rode on her bike around 11 pm, no bike light, no helmet and her clothes were dark color as you can't see her. I parked by Dillion's on 23rd. She stopped by. I asked her, need to lift you home. She say YES. I think she learned her lesson as should not ride bike at night. I bring her and her bike in my truck to KU dorm campus and she say 'Thank you and you are sweet guy!'”

Good heavens! If there's anything more dangerous than riding a bike at night with no lights and helmet and wearing dark clothing, it may be accepting a ride with a stranger.

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gsxr600 4 years, 5 months ago

Just go up to KU for a day and witness all the moronic riding by cyclists. Remember last year when they implemented stop signs at campus entrances? Most bicyclists blew through them so the police started issuing tickets. Bicyclists weave in and out of lanes as they pass buses and blow through intersections and crosswalks. If I could only throw a stick in their wheel....

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Pogo 4 years, 5 months ago

We ride bikes. We stop riding bikes when KU is in session (including the umpteen breaks). We're afraid of the stuff that's going on....as in getting smacked by a car. We follow "the rules of the road"; we don't bike at night; we use the bike lanes when they're available, but when they're not, we've learned it's best to ride that bike smack down the middle of the lane....not hugging the curb......no, no, no. That curb hugging is what gets you in trouble as cars go by you. Yeah, going down the middle annoys the car drivers, but that's life.

We also note a LOT of irresponsible bike riders who don't respect the stop signs or stop lights; who ride the wrong way down the road because it's a short cut; who zig and zag in between cars. Lots of those types of bike riders when KU is in session. Lots.

However, sure would be great to have a BUNCH more dedicated bike paths and such. Heck, we have a park just for dogs in this town; why don't we have a zillion parks for bike riding?

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notjustastudent 4 years, 5 months ago

If I "read between the lines" this is what I get-

A bicycle on the north side of a 5 lane road begins to cross. A car that is at least 3, if not 4 lanes away ends up hitting them. There are a few possibilities-

1) The bicycle is super, super fast, the car didn't see them coming, and couldn't stop in time to avoid them

2) The car didn't see them because the numerous streetlights were out and it was dark, so they couldn't stop in time

3) The car saw the bicycle and didn't bother to slow down at all, the bicylce had to slow suddenly to avoid a pothole or something else they didn't see when they began crossing OR they didn't move as fast as the car thought they would, and the car hit them

I think it comes down to decisions they both made, though I dont pretend to know exactly what those decisions were. Bicycle should probably have crossed with a stoplight for their own good, but legally, if a car is allowed to do it, a bike can too. They don't need a crosswalk because cars do not need crosswalks. The car should have been paying a bit more attention, especially on Sixth in the dark, for their own good. Had something more serious happened, even if it wasn't their fault, I doubt they wouldn't have been affected by it at all.

So basically, if everyone on the road pays a little more attention, everyone will be a little better off.

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richh 4 years, 5 months ago

When I worked on night shift and go home at midnight, I have see so many time, many bikers do ride their bikes by the street everywhere in Lawrence during late night. I don't know why they don't use the light and not wear light color clothes for people can't see them, then bad accident...

Last month, I see one pretty lady rode on her bike around 11 pm, no bike light, no helmet and her clothes were dark color as you can't see her. I parked by Dillion's on 23rd. She stopped by. I asked her, need to lift you home. She say YES. I think she learned her lesson as should not ride bike at night. I bring her and her bike in my truck to KU dorm campus and she say "Thank you and you are sweet guy!"

I have see some driver get charge for hit the biker during the night, but my point is, look at the bike, do it have light? What person wear clothes? dark color? helmet? Think safe! The driver should not charge, because they can't see the biker at night!

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parrothead8 4 years, 5 months ago

The only sentence I disagree with: "But after years and thousands of miles riding and walking I've come to conclude that most motorists are clueless morons." I think it's slightly under 50%, which technically I cannot classify as "most".

However, I still think that merely complaining about cars and their drivers misses the point. You are correct that we are in a car-centric society...given that we KNOW this, how do we co-exist? Either-or, us vs. them, cars are bad and bikes are good is not a realistic way to approach the problem. You know this, man.

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Defender 4 years, 5 months ago

Seamus, you're an amazingly biased idiot. There, I said it.

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tomatogrower 4 years, 5 months ago

I used to ride a bicycle everywhere when I lived in a small town. I even tried it soon after I moved here 20 years ago, but it was too scary. I was in great shape when I rode. I wish I wasn't so chicken now. I even followed the rules. Hand turn signals, didn't jump from street to sidewalk with no notice. I even stopped at stop signs, but that just seemed to anger drivers even more. It was as much the rude drivers as anything that changed my mind about riding.

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes, parrothead, I'm certain there are many stupid people who got themselves killed on bicycles. But after years and thousands of miles riding and walking I've come to conclude that most motorists are clueless morons. Many, if not most, may be nice people, but the fact remains that there are a lot of unskilled people who simply don't belong behind the wheel. But our society has been structured to make car ownership mandatory for first class citizenship. Most people perceive cycling to be "too dangerous" and, therefore, refuse to ride. That is leading to health issues and our dependence upon foreign oil sources. The only way things will ever change is when energy prices go up enough to get people out of their cars. I'm guessing $10/gallon (which will probably be here within ten years) will suffice. Meanwhile, we'll still have to endure the antics of the clueless distracted by their cellphones operating 2-ton vehicles.

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Matthew Herbert 4 years, 5 months ago

it is amazing that a community so proud of its public transportation would have so much spite for cyclists. We love giant polluting empty buses enough to subsidize them because they are "green" but we hate people people who are TRULY making a difference and costing the taxpayer nothing in return? Wow. Hypocrisyville, USA, Exit 202.

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parrothead8 4 years, 5 months ago

Seamus, has a cyclist ever contributed to his/her own death by not obeying traffic laws? Or are cyclists infallible? I ride my bike almost everywhere in this town -- in fact, I put more miles on my bike than on my car -- but I know I'm not perfect.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I suspect that you and I probably agree that the roads need to be safer for cyclists. I would love it if I could ride my bike on the streets of Lawrence with the same "not a care in the world" attitude I see in so many automobile drivers, but I can't. As a cyclist, I need to be infinitely more aware of my surroundings than anyone else on the road.

Seriously, I respect your opinion and think we agree on most cycling-related issues. I just wish you would see that your commentary comes across as the 180-degree opposite of the "Lazy Motorist Brigade" you so decry, and that doesn't do any good in the scheme of the larger conversation. We won't fix anything if we just complain about cars.

You are obviously passionate on the issue, but neither end of the spectrum gets us any closer to a solution that makes these roads safer for humans. The only way to make the roads safer is if both sides find middle ground.

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

Jimo-- cite some examples for our edification.

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

tony88-- I asked whether any MOTORIST had ever been killed by a cyclist. Not pedestrians. And, in any case, in the UK a pedestrian is 263 times more likely to be killed by a motorist than a bicycle, so this is yet another red herring thrown out to further promote car centrism as a way of life. In any case, our happy motoring lifestyle is going to go out of fashion regardless if we want that or not-- Peak Oil will drastically limit our ability to drive wherever we want in 15-20 years.

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Jimo 4 years, 5 months ago

"has there ever been a case where a cyclist killed a motorist because he ignored a traffic law? "

There are quite a few cases where motorists attempt to avoid hitting negligent cyclists and end up hitting other motorists, bystanders, and fixed objects - any of which can kill.

Reading between the lines of this article it is clear that the headline is inaccurate and should state clearly: Car hit by KU student on bicycle.

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 5 months ago

Well said, bozo. I can't believe that we agreed on something.

My dad always said that it didn't make any difference, in a wreck, who was right or wrong - the bigger vehicle always wins. Riding a bike may be good exercise, but it is not a good time to exercise one's rights. Ride as if the other person always has the right-of-way.

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

tony88-- I never said that cyclists shouldn't follow the rules. My point is that for all of the griping done on here about cyclists, the fact remains that they are basically benign and unable to kill others due to their stupidity. The same cannot be said for motorists.

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tony88 4 years, 5 months ago

here is a couple just for seamus's reading pleasure:

"Cyclist kills pedestrian" http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/uk-cyclist-kills-pedestrian-jailed-just-7-months

cyclist kills pedestrian, fined: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496757.stm

in no way am i claiming this is a common occurance, but just providing it to sober up seamus in his undying faith is the infinite virtue of cyclists. can they be at fault? "NO! never!" says seamus. (objectivity is challenging)

disclaimer, i would be pleased if automobile use would fall out of fashion within the next 15 years. people should use their own energy to get around... why do you think we consume all those calories? to ride elevators and float accross the road at 40 miles an hour without breaking a sweat?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

The most dangerous cyclists on the road almost all fit into one of two categories--

  1. People who lack the capacity to get and keep a driver's license-- as scary as they are on a bike, thank gawd they are on a bicycle.

  2. People who are primarily car drivers who see their bikes as toys, and ride accordingly.

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tony88 4 years, 5 months ago

"has there ever been a case where a cyclist killed a motorist because he ignored a traffic law?"

because a cyclist is not driving a lethal weapon, does not absolve the cyclist from personal responsibility

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tony88 4 years, 5 months ago

"No, and whether on foot, on a bike or in a car, that intersection is nearly impossible to cross or make a left turn onto 6th for much of the day."

agree. ride a few blocks to a crosswalk... you are trying to cross a highway afterall.

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

parrothead-- has there ever been a case where a cyclist killed a motorist because he ignored a traffic law?

logicman-- that's right, make another victim of our car-centricism pay for damages to our Holy and Sacred motor vehicles.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

"Is there a stop-light at Indiana?"

No, and whether on foot, on a bike or in a car, that intersection is nearly impossible to cross or make a left turn onto 6th for much of the day.

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tomatogrower 4 years, 5 months ago

A biker (Harley) rider friend once offered this advice about safe riding. I think it applies to bicycles too. "Ride as if every car is out to get you."

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edjayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Decline medical attention. Wonder if this is a typical response for those without insurance as well as ambulance and emergency room care.

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LogicMan 4 years, 5 months ago

Is there a stop-light at Indiana? If not, then it seems that the bicyclist is at fault (failure to yield the right of way). If so, hope he has general liability insurance somehow since he's responsible for expensive repairs to the car. Also hope he heals quickly.

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50YearResident 4 years, 5 months ago

Why do we always "Assume" the driver of the car is at fault?

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parrothead8 4 years, 5 months ago

Seamus, I don't think bigmike was heaping blame on the cyclist. He points out that he rides a bike in Lawrence, and he asked some legitimate questions.

I ride my bike most places I need to go in Lawrence, and I'll attest that the majority of people I see on bicycles do not have lights at night, do not follow the laws of the road very well, and do not even wear helmets.

Then again, most people I see driving their cars in Lawrence do not follow the laws of the road very well either.

The "us vs. them" mentality is what needs to go. Like it or not, we're all in this together.

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hitme 4 years, 5 months ago

No more bikes after sundown

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Seamus 4 years, 5 months ago

It goes both ways, bigmike. Did the car have his lights on? Was he speeding? As usual, the Lazy Motorist Brigade is at it, automatically assuming that the motorist was just a hapless victim while the evil cyclist was up to no good.

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bigmike 4 years, 5 months ago

Did the bike or person On the bike have any lights? When the old man pedestrian got hit on 6th he received a ticket for not using a crosswalk, where do bikes have to cross? Can they cross anywhere at anytime? Keep in mind I ride bicycles in this town, I just think it's time we all start taking responsibility for our driving (on bikes & in cars)!

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