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Tuition-proposal, president’s ambition stir turmoil at Haskell

October 23, 2009, 2:54 p.m. Updated October 23, 2009, 2:59 p.m.

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Linda Sue Warner had big ambitions when she arrived in 2007 as president of Haskell Indian Nation University, the only four-year college operated by the federal government for American Indians. Now she wonders whether those ambitions could cost her the job.

She envisioned major campus improvements and an expansion of the college’s programs. But she also proposed to increase the extremely small fees paid by Haskell’s roughly 1,050 students — $215 per semester, including room and board — to $1,000.

And that was where she ran headlong into the belief among many Haskell students and alumni that the government owes them a free or nearly free education, both by treaty and as compensation for generations of cultural oppression.

Students protested, and members of the Board of Regents called for Warner’s ouster.

“I feel strongly that these kids shouldn’t have to pay to go to school here,” said Haskell alumnus and Kickapoo tribal chairman Russell Bradley.

In September, amid the furor, Warner was sent to New Mexico on what the government said was a temporary assignment.

Warner and other Haskell employees have been ordered not to speak with reporters. Interior Department spokeswoman Nedra Darling portrayed the ban as an effort to keep track of media inquiries. “It wasn’t muzzling by any means,” Darling said.

Darling said there are no plans to replace Warner, who is scheduled to return to Kansas in January.

As for the proposed fee increase, which would be subject to government approval, it is all but dead.

Haskell was founded in 1884 as an Indian boarding school, created to purge all traces of native culture from its students, who were often forcibly removed from their families at ages 5 to 7. They wore military uniforms and followed a spartan regimen. Some died of exposure or malnutrition.

The school became a junior college in 1970 and a four-year school in 1994, and now attracts students from more than 130 tribes. They can earn degrees in business, education, environmental sciences and American Indian studies.

Haskell is one of three dozen tribal colleges in the country, most of them scattered across the Midwest and the West. Unlike Haskell, most are run by the tribes themselves and admit non-tribal members.

Haskell’s extremely low cost reflects the U.S. government’s treaty obligation to tribal members, said Bob Musgrove, a former Haskell business school dean.

The college receives about $14 million a year from the government. Congress approved a revised formula several years ago that would provide the school with more money but has never appropriated the extra dollars.

Warner, a member of the Comanche tribe and a former professor of education at the University of Missouri, the University of Kansas and Penn State, had envisioned graduate programs, including an online doctorate in tribal leadership, and perhaps an undergraduate degree in accounting to help students land jobs.

“We should be the center of Indian education in this country,” she said in an interview before she was barred from talking to the media.

When Warner proposed raising fees — citing dilapidated classrooms, unhealthy dining hall food, inadequate computers and a host of other basic needs — the federal Bureau of Indian Education stood behind her. So did several influential campus leaders.

But soon came a backlash from students, faculty members, parents and alumni. Students began a petition drive to get Warner fired.

A 45-year-old student, Brenda Councillor, said she was forcibly graduated and barred from campus after clashing with Warner and leading the petition drive. The college said it asked Councillor to leave because she had earned enough credits to graduate.

Travis Brown, a 32-year-old senior from Dallas, said students are not opposed outright to paying more, but first they want more accountability from administrators and a greater say in campus policies.

“It’s not that students don’t want to pay tuition, we just want to see more results,” he said.

According to the American Indian Higher Education Consortium, yearly tuition — without room and board — at the 34 other tribal colleges averages $2,317 and ranges from $720 at Dine College in Arizona to $6,800 at Wind River Tribal College in Wyoming.

American Indian students account for only 1 percent of total college enrollment in the U.S.

The six-year graduation rate for American Indian college students is about 39 percent, compared with 56 percent overall in the U.S. The success rate at Haskell is even lower: a 26 percent graduation rate for students who entered in the fall of 2002.

Still, Haskell teachers and students describe a close-knit campus where individuals are not allowed to fall through the cracks.

“They come here with a lot of baggage,” said registrar Manny King, a mentor to many students. “Alcoholism, single parents, drug use, high poverty, really no direction and no support.”

Freda Gipp, a Warner assistant and Haskell parent, said the debate over tuition is simply a sign of growing pains, not dysfunction: “Even though we’ve been around for 125 years, it’s still early in the game for us as a college.”

Comments

thewayitis 5 years, 7 months ago

OK did this article just say that Haskell receives 14 million for 1500 students. Let's see 93,000 per student per year and they are still crying about money. The place should be bulldozed and tuition paid to any other college so that these kids can get an education and live in a frickin mansion while attending school.

Jock Navels 5 years, 7 months ago

i think 14 million divided by 1500 is 9,333.33: not 93,000. that's real dirt poverty cheap. out of state tuition at ku is over 20k isn't it.

Horace 5 years, 7 months ago

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Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

Intereseting article. It does sound like Dr. Warner was trying to make some necessary changes and ran into resistance. I think the 26% graduation rate is horrible. Changes need to be made, starting with a stricter accountability of the administration. The students need to take their studies more serious as well. I do not know who needs to pay for the changes, but it sounds like Dr. Warner understood more money was necessary to make the changes.

Kudos to Haskellnews, for I believe this article is a direct result of their blogging.

cowboy 5 years, 7 months ago

A good article identifying some of the issues at Haskell rather than the usual whispers...Would be interesting to know if the students at Haskell receive the same types and amounts of student aid as KU or K-State kids do. Do they receive any tribal support ? If the aid is factored down due to the low costs could it not be factored up as tuition was increased and the benefactor would be Haskell's coffers and programs ? Anyone know what those answers are ?

really is a shame as Haskell teamed with KU could be a real jewel for these kids.

sypeccary 5 years, 7 months ago

Free education doesn't mean much if it is crappy. Babying the students doesn;t help them one bit in real life. Warner knows this. She tried to do something about it and look what it got her.

bizymama 5 years, 7 months ago

First of all, "wayitis" doesn't make much sense. And second, "Horace" can kiss my butt for his insensitive remark.

melissa stewart 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes these students receive a significant amount of aid from their tribes. If the fees go up, their need will go up, therefore their funding will go up. Haskell needs to raise their fees period. The school receives funding from the government but it's not nearly enough to keep everything up to date (classroom supplies, textbooks, computers, etc.) The conditions of the dorms/classrooms/etc. are poor due to lack of resources. In one classroom the desks still had ink wells? I believe Linda Warner had a good vision for HINU, but went about it the wrong way. It would be great if more degree programs were offered , but all of that costs money. The only real solution I see is to raise fees.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 7 months ago

The government (our tax dollars) should not be funding any college in my opinion.

Especially not this one with a 26% success rate!

I want a free college degree....where can i go to school for a measly $200 a semester?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"I want a free college degree….where can i go to school for a measly $200 a semester?"

If your ancestors had been forced to sell (to put the best face on it) a continent to the US Govt., you, too, could get short-shrifted in obtaining your treaty-obligated education benefits.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 7 months ago

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Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

"And that was where she ran headlong into the belief among many Haskell students and alumni that the government owes them a free or nearly free education, both by treaty and as compensation for generations of cultural oppression."

"The six-year graduation rate for American Indian college students is about 39 percent, compared with 56 percent overall in the U.S. The success rate at Haskell is even lower: a 26 percent graduation rate for students who entered in the fall of 2002."

As a non-Native American, I realize I do not understand quite a bit about tribal cultures and mentalities. Yet, I do think that their are many common similarities in human nature regardless of an individual's culture. If one compares the first and second quotations, it is apparent that the individual students do not have a personal investment in their education. This could be part of the problem concerning the low graduation rates as compared to other students across the U.S. I know there are other problems as well, but this could be part of the problem. I know that for many college students, the realization that they are going into debt for something motivates them to at least graduate to get something out of it. I would like to see the graduation rate of Haskell increase dramatically. That is the purpose of the institution. I had a bit of understanding of the goings on at Haskell about 20 years ago, and I was not impressed with them academically. The only thing that appeared strict or difficult in their classes was the attendance policy. If a student went to class, they passed. It was pretty much that simple. I do not know if it is the same now, but I knew then that they needed to increase their academic difficulty to better prepare their students for the future. I would like to see Haskell be a premiere institution for Native American students where their academic standing is the same as any institution in this country. Sadly, it doesn't seem that way as of this moment.

jungle 5 years, 7 months ago

1) Dr.Warner was right on track with raising tuition at Haskell. The days of the government owes us are over. American Indian Studies do you hear me ? 2) Dr.Warner made Haskell employees accountable and tried to set the bar for academics a little higher at Haskell. 3) Dr.Warner knows how to run Haskell it's just that there are employees at Haskell who don't want it to change because that means they would have to work ! And treat students with respect. 4) Native people will have to accept that if they are going to get a better education at Haskell or else where they are going to have to pay for it. 5) Dr.Warner needs to be complemented on a job well done and her boss Stephanie Birdwell need's to be replaced along with some other people as well, when is the last time Mike Lewis had his office audited ? 6) Haskell has a few radicals on it's campus left over from the 60's but people are tired of them and tired of the way they try to turn the students against Dr.Warner for their own gain. You don't like working for Dr.Warner leave SHE IS YOUR BOSS.

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

"Practicality (Anonymous) says… “As a non-Native American, I realize I do not understand quite a bit about tribal cultures and mentalities. ... it is apparent that the individual students do not have a personal investment in their education."

you are right. as a non native non haskell student you have no idea what you are talking about! you dont know the type of background that many of these students come from, and what they have to overcome. they do not come from a coddled environment, and haskell often is their only option.

"jungle (Anonymous) says… 1) Dr.Warner was right on track with raising tuition at Haskell. The days of the government owes us are over. American Indian Studies do you hear me ? 2) Dr.Warner made Haskell employees accountable and tried to set the bar for academics a little higher at Haskell. 3) Dr.Warner knows how to run Haskell it's just that there are employees at Haskell who don't want it to change because that means they would have to work ! And treat students with respect. 4) Native people will have to accept that if they are going to get a better education at Haskell or else where they are going to have to pay for it. 5) Dr.Warner needs to be complemented on a job well done and her boss Stephanie Birdwell need's to be replaced along with some other people as well, when is the last time Mike Lewis had his office audited ? 6) Haskell has a few radicals on it's campus left over from the 60's but people are tired of them and tired of the way they try to turn the students against Dr.Warner for their own gain. You don't like working for Dr.Warner leave she is your boss."

wow someone is a lackey. 1.) The government will always be indebted to us. they built this country on our land, over our bones, our resources and through the spilling of our blood sweat and tears. we paid for this education with our land, and the blood of our ancestors! the treaties we have made are both validated by, and younger than the us constituition, so if the constituition is valid, then our treaties are as well. 2.) Do you live in a cave? comment 2. is totally ignorant. 3.) you mean they love this instituition and our people and they will not suffer a tryant to destroy the advances haskell has made over the last 125 years of suffering? 4.) doesnt even make sense 5.) complimented for what? messing up how this whole university runs? 6.) i think you mean 70's and again you are totally wrong.

dr. warner isnt the entirety of the problem at haskell, yet in her already short absence the feeling here has already improved. dr warner implemented her so called arch values system, yet she is neither accountable, respectfull, definitly not cooperative, and most certainly not honest. if you wanna know how things are check out this article: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/aug/01/haskell_regents_kansas_tribes_seek_oust0_president/

Evan Ridenour 5 years, 7 months ago

" everett21 (Anonymous) says… wow someone is a lackey. 1.) The government will always be indebted to us. they built this country on our land, over our bones, our resources and through the spilling of our blood sweat and tears. we paid for this education with our land, and the blood of our ancestors! the treaties we have made are both validated by, and younger than the us constituition, so if the constituition is valid, then our treaties are as well. 2.) Do you live in a cave? comment 2. is totally ignorant. 3.) you mean they love this instituition and our people and they will not suffer a tryant to destroy the advances haskell has made over the last 125 years of suffering? 4.) doesnt even make sense 5.) complimented for what? messing up how this whole university runs? 6.) i think you mean 70's and again you are totally wrong.

dr. warner isnt the entirety of the problem at haskell, yet in her already short absence the feeling here has already improved. dr warner implemented her so called arch values system, yet she is neither accountable, respectfull, definitly not cooperative, and most certainly not honest. if you wanna know how things are check out this article: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/aug…"


I personally feel like the governmental support for Haskell should be higher but the argument that students and faculty should be challenged more and held to a higher level of accountability is at least worthy of consideration... and your post shows an incredible amount of bias in your opinion.

jungle 5 years, 7 months ago

I said what I meant the 60's. You have a hard time understanding # 4 let me make it simple YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Dr.Warner is not a tryant, most Haskell employees just aren't use to having to work and you are right since she has been gone their I don't have to work attitude is back !!! In full force and effect.

smokejumper005 5 years, 7 months ago

for once some reporting with some factual information. some other things that need to be known, haskell students receive full PELL funding and tribal scholarships and other scholarships. they do not pay tuition, they pay fees that include housing, activity, food and textbook rental. YES, textbook rental, these kids don't have to buy books can you believe this? the proposed fee increase was suppose to be a gradual increase over a period of several years. board members only come to campus during board meetings so i really wouldn't take anything they report as accurate. the blogs have been interesting and i am sure folks in dc must be concerned that the truth about their senior administrators qualifications are being put out in the open and that is what is exactly wrong with the bureau and haskell, hiring people for positions who have not experience or education, this is Indian prefernce folks! they just have to meet 'minimum' qualifications and they get the job. they aren't looking for the best most experienced candidates. and i thought the new director for BIE was suppose to be announced last week? haskell should never have changed its name to university, it should have stayed junior college. the former and current president had too much vision for the BIA faculty and staff at haskell.

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

sniff sniff i smell a troll...

"for once some reporting with some factual information. some other things that need to be known, haskell students receive full PELL funding and tribal scholarships and other scholarships. they do not pay tuition, they pay fees that include housing, activity, food and textbook rental. YES, textbook rental, these kids don't have to buy books can you believe this? the proposed fee increase was suppose to be a gradual increase over a period of several years. board members only come to campus during board meetings so i really wouldn't take anything they report as accurate. the blogs have been interesting and i am sure folks in dc must be concerned that the truth about their senior administrators qualifications are being put out in the open and that is what is exactly wrong with the bureau and haskell, hiring people for positions who have not experience or education, this is Indian prefernce folks! they just have to meet 'minimum' qualifications and they get the job. they aren't looking for the best most experienced candidates. and i thought the new director for BIE was suppose to be announced last week? haskell should never have changed its name to university, it should have stayed junior college. the former and current president had too much vision for the BIA faculty and staff at haskell. "

Actually only some Haskell students pell, not all, only some receive tribal scholarships, which are paid by each individuals tribe, therefore some of these are adequate while some are not. And we do pay for text books in the form of a rental fee. That means we pay for them silly, and if they are damaged they have to be replaced, also that only covers certain basic classes, -all- advanced classes and some of the other classes are not covered by that program.

The fee increase was supposed to be gradual per a previous existing board of regent’s agreement. Warner wanted an immediate increase, which is one of the main reasons she received such immediate backlash, the other biggie is that her administration has no transparency. Due to the freedom of information act, all federal documents which are not of a personal nature, or classified, are considered public and the administration is legally required to share things such as council minutes and so forth, however Warner has repeatedly finagled her way out of her accountability…. And what do you know of Indian preference? It works on a weighted system which means that if the administration is following the law like they are supposed to, a well qualified non Indian is more than capable of competing in an Indian preference environment. Also Warner has been more influential in hiring than any of the others, including Birdwell. I will however agree with you that we still operate as though we are a junior college, but what level of education you are considered to be able to provide comes to down to accrediting.

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

  1. “jungle (Anonymous) says…

4) Native people will have to accept that if they are going to get a better education at Haskell or else where they are going to have to pay for it.\

I said what I meant the 60's. You have a hard time understanding # 4 let me make it simple you get what you pay for. Dr.Warner is not a tryant, most Haskell employees just aren't use to having to work and you are right since she has been gone their I don't have to work attitude is back !!! In full force and effect.”

4 doesn’t make sense; because like all of your writing, and yes I have read more of your writing than just what is on this website, it has no cohesion.

Native people will have to accept that they are going to have to pay if they are going to get a better education? I am assuming that is what you mean since you haven’t actually stated it, except in your round a bout way, and what do you mean by the second part? Again it makes no sense…

And just who are referring to? And what employees don’t do their job that you can rightly accuse? Who are you to say this? If most of the employees of this university didn’t do their job then the university wouldn’t have made it this long. Anyone with half a functional brain could see this.

And making someone to do their job doesn’t qualify you as a tyrant, yet one someone doesn’t agree with you, forcing them to leave does. Warner tries to operate like she is the godfather or something, she has lackeys who do her bidding, and those who oppose her rule somehow disappear…

jungle 5 years, 7 months ago

@ Everett21 you must be a Haskell employee.

Until Haskell is willing to make their students pay more then 215.00 a semester for room, books, board and tuition they can expect the poor quality of education that they are currently receiving.

If you want to call Haskell a functioning UNIVERSITY go right ahead, but it is not. More like a very poorly functioning boarding school at best with some (not all) of the worse group of employees anywhere.

I think besides background checks ALL Haskell employees should be made to take minimum standardize testing, along with computer performance and REGULAR unannounced drug testing. After all they do work at a UNIVERSITY......

Then Haskell needs to get some real professors in place (what's with all this instructor crap)? who really want to teach.

The people that Dr.Warner fired needed to be fired, because guess what ? They weren't doing their jobs and everyone knows it. The days of Haskell employees getting away with NOT doing their jobs is coming to a quick end. I have a feeling The BIE is really going to start watching Haskell now, as they should have been doing years ago.

Her lackey people...plz.....

Security cameras need to be placed all over campus including Curtis and the classrooms, offices etc. Even day cares do that now.

sypeccary 5 years, 7 months ago

everett: Haskell students may not come from coddled backgrounds, but many Haskell "faculty" end up teaching them that Indians deserve to be coddled. Getting an A at Haskell is not equivalent to getting an A at another university. Why do you think there is a KU Bridge Program? Why are so many Haskell graduates on academic probation at other schools?

Sunny Parker 5 years, 7 months ago

“They come here with a lot of baggage,” said registrar Manny King, a mentor to many students. “Alcoholism, single parents, drug use, high poverty, really no direction and no support.”

And so? That means our tax dollars should pay for their schooling (which they really aren't getting much of).

Someone better open a school for 'non' native americans, who come from single parents, drug use, etc.....and force tax payers to pay for it all.....Thats only fair!

Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Where did the 1500 students figure come from? The article states approximately 1,050. $14,000,000 divided by 1,050 is $13,333.33 per student. If that includes housing and food, that is pretty inexpensive. If that is just the cost of the college, then I agree with the students, they are not getting their money's worth. They'd be better of attending a community college, then a state university, for that kind of money.

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

everett21 (Anonymous) says…

"you are right. as a non native non haskell student you have no idea what you are talking about! you dont know the type of background that many of these students come from, and what they have to overcome. they do not come from a coddled environment, and haskell often is their only option."

everett21,

My argument is that ONE of the problems at Haskell appears to be that the students are not personally invested in their education when compared to other schools. This is evident by their 26% graduation rate. I made no reference to anything else, INCLUDING who should pay for it. You failed to show me how anyone is personally invested in their education with your statement.

Students need to take ownership of their education in order to fulfill the requirements that are required to graduate. This is true for all students at any college worldwide. I realize there are other issues as well, but at the same time, it is apparent that the majority of students at Haskell are not prepared for college.

Again, I would like to see Haskell be the Harvard of Native American education. It could easily be an all expenses paid university, but it needs to have a strict admissions policy with a rigorous academic standard. They could easily cap the enrollment at 1000, grad schools not included, and each year the brightest 250 Native American minds recieve an all expenses paid education. That way these prospective students have to compete against each other to be in the top 250. This institution could then release these graduates into the world to have extremely qualified doctors, lawyers, professors, teachers, and admistrators throughout the reservations and the rest of America. This is the direction I think Haskell needs to go.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

The low graduation rate likely has much more to do with the fact that a high percentage of these students come from reservations and communities with barely functioning economies. Casino money has helped some tribes begin serious economic and community development, but Haskell students still have much lower prospects than the average college student of finding a job in functioning economy.

ssakcaj 5 years, 7 months ago

Practicality what kind of heresy is this? You offer this incredible idea that people should take responsibility for their own actions? Madness, madness I say. But seriously, I agree with what you say.

My take on all of this has been it appeared to me the person in charge, coming from an actual University-level administration background found an institution in a deplorable state, from either indiferrence or purposeful neglect and they attempted to change it.

The fees that they attempted to implement would probably have given the institution some manuvering room to make some immediate changes rather than waiting for, literally, an act of congress. My guess is that a small, but vocal portion of the faculty and student body doesn't want those changes, doesn't want higher academic standards. And the moment that accountability was instituted this small but very vocal portion of the university literally revolted.

It seems like Haskell is a very messed up place and the apple lands not far from the tree. As an example it is not helped by the fact that someone thought a social worker that apparently has never been in charge of anything larger than a toaster oven or a lawnmower was selected to oversee not only Haskell but 20 or 30 other Indian colleges. During my readings and googling, I found out that the Bureau of Indian Affairs is considered the worst run of all the Federal departments. It is so bad that Dave Anderson, of Famous Dave's, graduate of the Harvard School of Government, after being selected to be in charge of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Office of Indian Education, now the Bureau of Indian Education, finally just gave up and resigned. That is how bad it appears to be...

To all the people in this system, I say good luck. It looks like you definitely need it.

ssakcaj 5 years, 7 months ago

These comments are directed at Everett21's statements: One person, although I don't know their name would be whoever was managing the Food Services prior to their saving $150K. I had to go back and reread to make sure, but Ted Wright, Vice President of University Services stated they had saved $150K. That is more than 1% of the total university budget. Ask anyone in business how hard it is to reduce costs by 1%. I am hoping whoever was previously managing the place either quit or retired.

I have seen other accustations posted about dorm staff at, I believe, Wal-Mart at night when they were supposed to be working. That one would probably need a little more fact finding but I'm still throwing it out there. So that is at least two examples that I can give just based on reading the blogs.

Your comment about how "if most of the employees of this university didn’t do their job then the university wouldn’t have made it this long," presumes that it is most employees. Unfortunately in an organization it doesn't take most employees doing their job to cause institutional failure. It only takes a few people in key positions, or everyone doing a poor job. Two examples for each point: Nick Leeson, trader, brought down Barings Bank which at the time was England's oldest investment house, the second is General Motors, it isn't so much that they make horrible cars like the Trabant, their problem is that they just don't make good cars.

But the fact is that when the Senior Manager says this is what we are going to do and makes the final decsion, then that is the final decision, absent any new data indicating otherwise. If you don't agree with that decsion, you still have an obligation to follow, enforce, or implement that decision regardless of whether you believe it is right or wrong. If you believe it is so morally wrong, you have to decide whether you are going to participate or absent yourself from the situation. If you believe it is legally wrong then report it to law enforcement. In all of my reading of the situation at Haskell, I haven't seen any accustions of illegal behavior, so I believe it comes down to people being told to work a specific way and the employee deciding they are not going to do it and then complaining about the fact they get in trouble for it. If you have evidence to the contrary please provide.

I find your comment, "Warner tries to operate like she is the godfather or something, she has lackeys who do her bidding, and those who oppose her rule somehow disappear…" People who do work directed by their boss are called workers, not lackeys.

The last part sounds very sinister. Who has disappeared? Are you alleging that people have been kidnapped, or murdered? I seriously doubt it. People leave, resign, retire, transfer, get promoted, demoted, etc. all the time.

Welcome to world!

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

  1. “jungle (Anonymous) says… @ Everett21 you must be a Haskell employee. If you want to call Haskell a functioning university go right ahead, but it is not. More like a very poorly functioning boarding school at best with some (not all) of the worse group of employees anywhere. I think besides background checks ALL Haskell employees should be made to take minimum standardize testing, along with computer performance and regular unannounced drug testing. After all they do work at a university…… Her lackey people…plz….. Security cameras need to be placed all over campus including Curtis and the classrooms, offices etc. Even day cares do that now.”

Actually no I am not a haskell employee, and I didn’t say it was functioning well did I? but I said it was functioning; i.e. performing or able to perform its regular function Its still in operation isn’t it? And duh there are security cameras everwhere! We have like 25 or something

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

  1. “sunny (Anonymous) says… “They come here with a lot of baggage,” said registrar Manny King, a mentor to many students. “Alcoholism, single parents, drug use, high poverty, really no direction and no support.” And so? That means our tax dollars should pay for their schooling (which they really aren't getting much of). Someone better open a school for 'non' native americans, who come from single parents, drug use, etc…..and force tax payers to pay for it all…..Thats only fair!”

Actually American Indians and federal prisoners are the only groups considered to be “wards” of the government and therefore the government has a fiduciary trust relationship with us and is legally responsible for the well being of race.

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

  1. “Practicality (Anonymous) says… . You failed to show me how anyone is personally invested in their education with your statement. it is apparent that the majority of students at Haskell are not prepared for college. Again, I would like to see Haskell be the Harvard of Native American education. It could easily be an all expenses paid university, but it needs to have a strict admissions policy with a rigorous academic standard. They could easily cap the enrollment at 1000, grad schools not included, and each year the brightest 250 Native American minds recieve an all expenses paid education. That way these prospective students have to compete against each other to be in the top 250. This institution could then release these graduates into the world to have extremely qualified doctors, lawyers, professors, teachers, and admistrators throughout the reservations and the rest of America. This is the direction I think Haskell needs to go.” They are invested because it is their future

And your right they are not prepared because our reservations are some of the least served areas in the country. And no our funding is partially based on the number of students we have versus the classes that are offered

everett21 5 years, 7 months ago

  1. “ssakcaj (Anonymous) says… : One person, although I don't know their name would be whoever was managing the Food Services prior to their saving $150K. I had to go back and reread to make sure, but Ted Wright, Vice President of University Services stated they had saved $150K. That is more than 1% of the total university budget. Ask anyone in business how hard it is to reduce costs by 1%. I am hoping whoever was previously managing the place either quit or retired. In all of my reading of the situation at Haskell, I haven't seen any accustions of illegal behavior, so I believe it comes down to people being told to work a specific way and the employee deciding they are not going to do it and then complaining about the fact they get in trouble for it. If you have evidence to the contrary please provide. I find your comment, “Warner tries to operate like she is the godfather or something, she has lackeys who do her bidding, and those who oppose her rule somehow disappear…” People who do work directed by their boss are called workers, not lackeys. The last part sounds very sinister. Who has disappeared? Are you alleging that people have been kidnapped, or murdered? I seriously doubt it. People leave, resign, retire, transfer, get promoted, demoted, etc. all the time. “ I know who you are talking about, and as a direct result of Warner’s action she is currently involved in litigation with the school. Perhaps you need to find out more about that situation. And we are not allowed to accuse or provide “information” or “evidence to the contrary” because this is a federal campus and that could be considered conspiracy or all sorts of things. I have no interest in accusing anyone or “getting someone fired” merely pointing out that it is common knowledge that Warner has done many shady things. And sinister? Please that is how it is, they have been coerced into forced transfers and terminated illegally, which is not only unethical but against federal law. Also this would be why the aforementioned lawsuit came about…

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

everett21 (Anonymous) says…

"They are invested because it is their future"

26% graduation rate seems to suggest otherwise. When I graduated from under grad, I was 23,000 dollars in debt. I realized that I needed to have something to show for this. It was one of many motivations for me, but it was a big one.

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

"The six-year graduation rate for American Indian college students is about 39 percent"

This figure includes Haskell. So, if Haskell is taken out these calculations, that percentage would be higher and closer to the 56% of the rest of colleges in the U.S. I do not think it would be equal, but it would be closer.

Everett, please explain why there appears to be about a 14% difference in graduation rates between Haskell and other Native American institutions of higher learning. I would imagine that the students are all similar and come from roughly the same background.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"please explain why there appears to be about a 14% difference in graduation rates between Haskell and other Native American institutions of higher learning."

This excerpt from the article may be at least a partial explanation.

"Haskell is one of three dozen tribal colleges in the country, most of them scattered across the Midwest and the West. Unlike Haskell, most are run by the tribes themselves..."

Haskell students likely don't have the support network that students at tribal schools have, and they certainly don't fit into the larger Lawrence community the way KU students can.

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

bozo,

That is a possible explanation, I agree. But, there are many possibles. Maybe the individual tribes are more invested in seeing the students succeed. Maybe there is more accountability placed upon the faculty and students. Maybe their admission critera is more stringent. I do not know. What is apparent to me is that whatever is going on at Haskell appears to be not working. And, just to be clear, I do not place all the blame on the students. For as much money and work that is poured into Haskell, I believe it is reasonable to expect better results.

kulinebacker 5 years, 7 months ago

..lackey lackey lackey

I have never seen that word used so many times.

I think it would be fair to say that students see what exactly is going on at Haskell. I am talking about the ones who care, want and need and education. The empowerment summit that has been held the last 2 years show that. A lot of the comments are unfair and "Sunny" sort of reminds of the cabinet in the Bush administration. Just saying...I just wanted to post something asinine too!

phyreh20 5 years, 7 months ago

Halftime: Kudos to the Sooners, the hawks are being ethnically renewed w/out the Heisman; a Cherokee lackey;>)

ssakcaj 5 years, 7 months ago

everett21's comments are in quotes: "I know who you are talking about, and as a direct result of Warner’s action she is currently involved in litigation with the school. Perhaps you need to find out more about that situation."

*You seem to know, let's hear it from you.

And we are not allowed to accuse or provide “information” or “evidence to the contrary” because this is a federal campus and that could be considered conspiracy or all sorts of things.

*What the heck are you talking about? Now you just switched into one of those black helicopter people...

I have no interest in accusing anyone or “getting someone fired” merely pointing out that it is common knowledge that Warner has done many shady things.

*So as stated previously you can't provide any information because that is "conspiracy or all sort of things," but you can accuse someone of "shady things." Do you not see a double standard here?

"And sinister? Please that is how it is, they have been coerced into forced transfers and terminated illegally, which is not only unethical but against federal law. Also this would be why the aforementioned lawsuit came about…

*Coerced? Terminated illegally? Tell us who this occurred with, and not your unsubstantiated accusations. You keep citing a lawsuit, well cite the court and case number, if you can. I am betting this is another baseless accusation, which is part of the problem there seems to be out at Haskell.

snowing 5 years, 7 months ago

To everett21 yawn and MORE yawning !

So students don't want to spend $1,000 a semester to get a college degree ? I know a lot of students who would !

I am floored by the fact that a person ( Stephanie Birdwell ) with only a master's degree in social work would be put in charge of ANY school let alone schools, shows how much the federal government cares about it's Native American students.

The whole situation reminds me of The Last Emperor of China when the Emperor started "cleaning" up the way the palace was run the workers burned it down !

Haskell workers haven't burned the place down yet...but they sure try to run off anyone who comes in and make changes for the better, wake up Washington BIE you need Dr.Warner back, that is IF she is willing to even come back !

Sorry Haskell but times are a changing, change with them or leave. I am talking to you FISE workers as well !

It's the students school not yours.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

Native schools were granted into to treaties between the United States , and the Native Tribes for land cessions. The Schools were paid for by the tribes for parts of the Lands granted threw the treaties with the Untied States. Haskell has no rights to charge natives for these schools. These schools have been paid for, and were not to be paid for again. The United States put money into to trust to keep them up and running. Under Article 6 of the constitution. Article 6 All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this constitution, as under the confederation. This constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance therefore; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every sate shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding The senators and representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislators, and all the executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support the constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States

Ralph Reed 5 years, 7 months ago

@snowing, re your 1757: The discussion has nothing to do with Stephanie Birdwell, so leave that argument at home for this article. You've established the fact, as have many others, that you're upset (mad) that Dr. Warner is currently not at Haskell. Unfortunately, those of you citing everything wrong with Haskell since she left are giving the impression she is not returning. You must know something not being published in the papers.


I remember when the same people went up in arms over $25 or $50 per semester technology fee. A fee that would have been absorbed by an increase in Pell grants. The fee was never instituted. I never understood students protesting against a pass-through fee increase that would have benefited them. I still don't.

Haskell has grown a lot in the past decade and, as Freda Gipp said, is feeling growing pains. Right now, Haskell has stumbled a bit, but will get up, dust herself off, and drive on. This will happen regardless of who is President; the only thing that will make it hard is people actively working against the President.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

Ralph Having to pay for something that is already been paid for is a problem. That is not working against any president at Haskell. It is just a fact, and to accept another increase in tuition when there shouldn't be one in the first place is wrong.

Ralph Reed 5 years, 7 months ago

@falling Technology wasn't ever factored into the numbers the way it should have been. Both SIPI and Haskell are stiffed by DOI and the BIA when it comes to operating budget. That $14 mil does not go very far at all. The technology fee would have been transparent to the students.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

Ralph Haskell can take the BIA, and DOI to the 10th district court for not funding them. For deliberate indifference, and falling to abide by treaty signed and ratified by the United States government. Again article 6 supreme law of the land.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

opps Instead they would rather charge students for an education which was paid for, and a trust set up by the government. If you were to add up the trust the U.S. is supposed to have plus at a modest 1.29% it would be a conservative 33.28 trillion. More than enough to pay for the education of all tribal people of the United States

snowing 5 years, 7 months ago

This starts at the top with The BIE putting Stephanie Birdwell in charge of things when she has no experience, nor the education to be doing so.

It is unfortunate that Dr.Warner walked into a MESS.

Apparently the BIE has not put money into Haskell's pockets for some time now. People are pushing around that 14 million dollar figure but 4 of that goes to facilities the other app 10 goes toward Haskell itself and that has not been raised in a few years, of course there is a board member George Tiger who is suppose to be lobbying for Haskell but apparently he too is not doing his job.

Other Native Colleges do pay tuition and some of it is not cheap.

If the US government is going to provide education for Native Americans then let it be a decent one with the proper people running it. That way you won't have to have a college president trying to come up with ways to increase goods and services for the students.

This problem and others were here way before Dr.Warner was, she simply inherited them.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

Snowing Do you not think it is time for the United States to hold up the constitution. These schools were funded over a hundred and fifty years ago. The tribes were never meant to pay tuition. What I am trying to say is we have a executive in the government who has promised to refund the tribes, and schools. Why doesn't Haskell demand the money from the government. If you need national coverage Fox news would be glad to smear the presidents office with this. Even though I cannot stand fox.

Ralph Reed 5 years, 7 months ago

@falling, re your 2041: What you may not understand is that Haskell is not a tribal university. It is rather part of the Federal Government. As such, it is illegal for Haskell employees, to include the President, to lobby for more money. They can submit a budget request, as does every other government agency, and hope that the majority of what they request is granted. It never has been.

The tribal universities are owned and operated by tribes, Haskell is not. The tribal universities are sometimes the only colleges around and as a result offer the occassional non-indian attendance. Offering non-indians attendance at full tuition has been brought up at Haskell a couple of times that I know of. Each time it was been shouted down by the student body and a small number of the staff.

If you want to smear someone, don't smear Haskell, it's not their fault. Also, if you have Faux News dig into it with their "journalism" (it is to laugh), the only thing that will happen is they will say it's the current administration's fault. They won't consider that during the 8 years of Pres Bush's administration Haskell received nearly level funding floating around $9 mil for operating funds (books, salaries, any travel to include sports, library, dining facilities, dorms, and oh yes, I forgot, education).

Also, if you wish to talk about trust obligation regarding education, the NIEA is a good place to start. If I'm not mistaken the initial trust obligation was for a k-6, not even HS school education. Haskell, to her credit, has grown way beyond that.

Ralph Reed 5 years, 7 months ago

@snowing, re your 2028: You wrote, "This problem and others were here way before Dr.Warner was, she simply inherited them."


Those problems dated way before Bob Martin. He, Dr Swisher and Dr. Warner all inherited them.

snowing 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes, Mr.Reed I did some checking and you are correct, apparently the problems that Dr.Warner now face go back along way.

The one consist player in all of this and the one who does not care about The Haskell Students or back up the Haskell leaders are the Bureau of Indian Education/Bureau of Indian Affairs. Time and again they have let and maybe encouraged the destruction of not only Native youth but also Native leaders.

Native Americans need to wake up to this, apparently Haskell Presidents don't last long and with a change in leadership all the time it is easy to hold the Native American students down.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

Ralph I never said Haskell should lobby for the money. I said Haskell belongs taking The BIA, DOI into court. You can sue the government. Although you need their permission. So let Haskell do what they needed to a long time ago. Instead of charging for an education. The United States can pay according to the treaties signed by the United States. Ratified by the United States. I am telling you a Idiot could right the brief, and discovery.

friendofhaskell 5 years, 7 months ago

It's unfortunate that an issue that arose two years ago is now being used as the pretense for Dr. Warner's woes at Haskell when the issue is presidential leadership and her inability to lead this important institution as others have successfully done. Haskell faces many of the same challenges of other colleges but what has taken place there over the last 2 years is unprecedented. The ongoing attacks on the quality of students, credentials of faculty, commitment of employees, responsibility of the Regents and value of a Haskell education do nothing to advance Haskell but instead are intended to destroy it. It's time for change and ending the damage. It's time for restoring respect and not sowing hatred for Haskell.

sypeccary 5 years, 7 months ago

Friendofhaskell: yes indeed what has happened in the last 2 years has been unprecedented. A president who finally tried to do something about the "quality of students, credentials of faculty, commitment of employees, responsibility of the Regents and value of a Haskell education" stepped in and got pummeled by those who only aspire to mediocrity--or less. End what "damage"? To your aspirations of not having to meet high standards? Who said or wrote anything about hating Haskell?

snowing 5 years, 7 months ago

@ sypeccary I agree with you, Dr.Warner is only trying to make a different for the better. She caused no damaged.

friendofhaskell you are NO friend of Haskell. You are probably AIS just stirring up trouble...again ! People are sick of it. You people should all go.

Now back to what Ralph was saying he is right, maybe he should start writing that brief and discovery.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 7 months ago

fried I never said I hated Haskell. In fact I see more people arguing things need to change at Haskell. For the betterment of the Students, and school. To disagree with a facility isn't hating Haskell. It is trying to help Haskell. Unless you want to maintain the status quo.

jungle 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes, fallingwhilereading you are right and that is exactly what Dr.Warner is trying to do.

collared_greens 5 years, 7 months ago

Why are all of the stories about Haskell are always written by the Associated Press instead of by the LJW?

oklahomandn 5 years, 6 months ago

If a tyrant is someone who makes people do their jobs and earn their teaching credentials, then Haskell needs about 10 more tyrants for every department, from what I can see!. For too long, Haskell has been a joke!! You know exactly what I'm talking about. Going back to the way things were before Dr. Warner is not getting respect. It's going back to the same old stuff that makes Haskell a third-rate school!

Even worse people are saying they making it hard on the administration for the students. Who are they kidding?? They are doing it for their own jobs and power!! Anybody can see that.

The federal government doesn't care about us! They put a social worker and basketball referee in charge of Indian education!! Would they do that if we were a different race?? Think about it.

Speak out! TAlk to your friends!! Write your senators and congressmen. Tell them to bring Dr. Warner back and help us become a great school!!

OK NDN

phyreh20 5 years, 6 months ago

The LJW would rather write about negativity when the Natives are to blame or are at fault. There are people in the country that need to know what is news among the indigenous population.

luckylakota 5 years, 6 months ago

I experienced attending Haskell at the time Dr. Warner transitioned into University President; I saw the old regime out and the new regime in. While most student looked forward to Warner's arrival and were hopeful for the future and what changes she might bring, the problem lied in that she came in like a bulldozer and knocked down anyone and anything that stood in her way. She had great ideas but her methods were questionable to say the least.

Haskell has many problems as does any educational institution. Unfortuantely, a small group of unhappy students and employees that are most resistant to change have become the spokespeople for all the Natives that go to school there, but here's an insiders perspective.

Are we opposed to a fee increase? NO. While the increase would need to be gradual and not exorbitant, we students reralize that more money would directly affect the quality of education that we receive. Also, as most students do receive a PELL grant, the increase would be covered.

Are Haskell students rolling in PELL Grant and tribal Funding? That is also a no. While most students do receive a Pell Grant of abt $1500 (average) a semester, only some receive tribal funding that is mostly minimal. My tribal funding came in the form of a gas card to travel to and from school at the beginning and end of the semester.

And last but not least, most of you seem to think that we are not fully vested in our educations or that we take it for granted. That is also not the case. When you come from a reservation that resembles a third world country, you are all to aware of the benefits your education can bring you and the difference it can make in your life.

While Haskell is a great resource for Native youth it still is in desperate need of an overhaul. But change comes when it's working with the people not against them.

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