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Declaring war on Fox News isn’t smart

October 23, 2009

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— Rahm Emanuel once sent a dead fish to a live pollster. Now he’s put a horse’s head in Roger Ailes’ bed.

Not very subtle. And not very smart. Ailes doesn’t scare easily.

The White House has declared war on Fox News. White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Fox is “opinion journalism masquerading as news.” Patting rival networks on the head for their authenticity (read: docility), senior adviser David Axelrod declared Fox “not really a news station.” And Chief of Staff Emanuel told (warned?) the other networks not to “be led (by) and following Fox.”

Meaning? If Fox runs a story critical of the administration — from exposing White House czar Van Jones as a loony 9/11 “truther” to exhaustively examining the mathematical chicanery and hidden loopholes in proposed health care legislation — the other news organizations should think twice before following the lead.

The signal to corporations is equally clear: You might have dealings with a federal behemoth that not only disburses more than $3 trillion every year but is extending its reach ever deeper into private industry — finance, autos, soon health care and energy. Think twice before you run an ad on Fox.

At first, there was little reaction from other media. Then on Thursday, the administration tried to make them complicit in an actual boycott of Fox. The Treasury Department made available Ken Feinberg, the executive pay czar, for interviews with the White House "pool" news organizations — except Fox. The other networks admirably refused, saying they would not interview Feinberg unless Fox was permitted to as well. The administration backed down.

This was an important defeat because there's a principle at stake here. While government can and should debate and criticize opposition voices, the current White House goes beyond that. It wants to delegitimize any significant dissent. The objective is no secret. White House aides openly told Politico that they're engaged in a deliberate campaign to marginalize and ostracize recalcitrants, from Fox to health insurers to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There’s nothing illegal about such search-and-destroy tactics. Nor unconstitutional. But our politics are defined not just by limits of legality or constitutionality. We have norms, Madisonian norms.

Madison argued that the safety of a great republic, its defense against tyranny, requires the contest between factions or interests. His insight was to understand “the greater security afforded by a greater variety of parties.” They would help guarantee liberty by checking and balancing and restraining each other — and an otherwise imperious government.

Factions should compete, but also recognize the legitimacy of other factions and, indeed, their necessity for a vigorous self-regulating democracy. Seeking to deliberately undermine, delegitimize and destroy is not Madisonian. It is Nixonian.

But didn’t Teddy Roosevelt try to destroy the trusts? Of course, but what he took down was monopoly power that was extinguishing smaller independent competing interests. Fox News is no monopoly. It is a singular minority in a sea of liberal media. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC vs. Fox. The lineup is so unbalanced as to be comical — and that doesn’t even include the other commanding heights of the culture that are firmly, flagrantly liberal: Hollywood, the foundations, the universities, the elite newspapers.

Fox and its viewers (numbering more than CNN’s and MSNBC’s combined) need no defense. Defend Fox compared to whom? To CNN — which recently unleashed its fact-checkers on a “Saturday Night Live” skit mildly critical of Obama, but did no checking of a grotesquely racist remark CNN falsely attributed to Rush Limbaugh?

Defend Fox from whom? Fox’s flagship 6 o’clock evening news out of Washington (hosted by Bret Baier, formerly by Brit Hume) is, to my mind, the best hour of news on television. (Definitive evidence: My mother watches it even on the odd night when I’m not on.)

Defend Fox from the likes of Anita Dunn? She’s been attacked for extolling Mao’s political philosophy in a speech at a high school graduation. But the critics miss the surpassing stupidity of her larger point: She was invoking Mao as support and authority for her impassioned plea for individuality and trusting one’s own choices. Mao as champion of individuality? Mao, the greatest imposer of mass uniformity in modern history, creator of a slave society of a near-billion worker bees wearing Mao suits and waving the Little Red Book?

The White House communications director cannot be trusted to address high schoolers without uttering inanities. She and her cohorts are now to instruct the country on truth and objectivity?

Comments

Orwell 5 years, 7 months ago

More paranoia and knee-jerk rhetoric, with more than a smidgen of self-interest.

We get it, we get it – Krauthammer hates and fears the Chief Executive chosen by the voters, just as Cal Thomas hates and fears the non-Christians. Do you suppose either of these guys will ever get around to another theme?

canyon_wren 5 years, 7 months ago

Let's hope so, Tom. It is looking more and more likely!

grammaddy 5 years, 7 months ago

Fox is a joke as are you Nancy-Tom. He really spent a whole week doing nothing but attacking Faux Noise? Get over yourself. We'll see who's gone before YOU know it.

Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Meanwhile the official mouthpiece of the Obama machine in Kansas, KPR, is fundraising this week. One of the guest beggars actually admitted this morning that NPR listeners, "have drunk the Kool-Aid, and are loving it."

Earlier this week, another beggar, this time a KPR employee, said that he does not read newspapers, or watch TV, or listen to other radio, that he gets all his news from NPR.

nuff said.

rbwaa 5 years, 7 months ago

I'm a 'far leftie' but i agree with the basic premise of this column --- censoring or censuring any news organization, whether 'opinion news' or mainstream news, is a slippery slope.

gccs14r 5 years, 7 months ago

FOX isn't a news organization. FOX is a well-funded propaganda organization doing the bidding of Rupert Murdoch. The only people who do not know this watch FOX.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 7 months ago

The lulz just keep coming. Y'see the really awful part is that Fox coulda been a reputable news outlet but they've been caught in too many outright lies. They don't just spin a story, they turn it into a Kansas tornado. Sometimes they even land in Oz. This has a tendency to shoot credibility in the hind parts. Well not to mention the fact that Glenn Beck gives me indigestion. Kind of like our beloved Nancy. I don't listen to NPR either. Those guys would put a hyper two year old into a coma. I guess it's over reaction to all of the screaming, shouting, breast beating and hair ripping on Fox. (Take a hint Fox guys. Nobody takes Jerry Springer seriously either.) Actually I love that Rahm is doing this. Baiting Fox is so much fun. They kinda ran wild during the Bush years. Now they actually have OMG! Somebody calling them OUT! Somebody actually questioning their CREDIBILITY! The reaction is just too funny!

anghe8562 5 years, 7 months ago

Please do enlighten me as to what are the outright lies that are on Fox?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Dear Leader doesn't want his subjects to be confused by conflicting opinions.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 7 months ago

Maybe I'll just switch to MSNBC and watch the objective reporting of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow.

Perhaps the always-fair-and balanced Jack Cafferty at CNN is a better choice.

Then again, I always get unbiased reporting from Nina Totenberg at NPR and Bill Moyers at PBS.

Errr.....

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 7 months ago

More fear mongering... Even the headline sounds like a threat...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

STRS-- There's a difference between intelligent reporting, even when there is a bias, and the ignorant rantings that make up so much of Fox's programming.

Your comments about Nina Totenberg (who rarely shows any bias) and Bill Moyers (whose biases are clear, but not as clear as the level of intelligence he brings) show that you really don't understand that.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"So you favor the government shutting down Fox News?"

Who are you talking to? No one has suggested this-- certainly not Obama.

Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Keep up the good work, Barack Hussein Obama (hmmmm, hmmmm, hmmmm) The more you show your true self, the lower your ratings go. Once trust is lost, it can never be regained.

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

O.K. Maybe I am a little dense. But could someone PLEASE explain the "Kool-Aid" inuendo that I have seen referenced here and at other times. I have not figured it out.

anghe8562 5 years, 7 months ago

well, it'd be easier to know a lie when I see it...saying too many to print, just doesn't cut it with me. I don't normally watch Fox news, as I happen to be a John Stossel fan myself, but seeing that he has recently come on board at Fox...I guess I'll be changing...And, the fact that our President doesn't want to include them, also gives me pause to think. But I do want to keep abreast of the "lies" they are spewing, because thus far, I've not seen anyone post them, just that they spew them...huge difference there.

monkey_c 5 years, 7 months ago

Tom Says "Obama is a joke. All of his administration are a joke. Pelosi and Reid are a joke." Only problem is it ain't FUNNY. My obsevation has been that more and more people seem to be turning to Fox News for their information. Which I veiw as a good thing, not that it is a perfect reporting agency, but compared to the government media whores that all spew the same propagandist BS day after day. Those other media outlets ( ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC) are nothing but tools for social engineering and indoctrination.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 7 months ago

Do you folks have any idea how some of you sound like a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon? Dear Leader? Poser? So I guess Fox "News" is the Fractured Fairy Tales?

oldvet 5 years, 7 months ago

The white house would rather we watch their favorite networks:

Always Barack Channel

National Barack Channel

and Convincing Barack Stories

Kirk Larson 5 years, 7 months ago

FOX shot first!

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/22/fox-attacks-obama/

OH, and still funny: F = 6th letter of the alphabet O = 15th letter, 1+5=6 X = 24th letter, 2+4=6

FOX = 666, Network of the beast!

greenlid79 5 years, 7 months ago

Practicality, The Kool-aid reference is to Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple mass suicide. Someone criticizing another for "drinking the Kool-aid" is just referring to their willingness to jump on the bandwagon in support of any kooky idea or leader with potentially harmful (fatal, in the Jonestown case) results.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 7 months ago

bozo,

"Ignorant rantings" is your opinion. And your selective outrage doesn't make silencing Fox News by denying them access press conferences right either. I can't believe you would defend such a punitive move. (Actually, I can because you care less about principles and more about politics.)

And the fact that Bill Moyers collects a paycheck from the American taxpayer AND spews his left-wing nonsense is an outrage. You happen to support the redistribution of my family's wealth to the PBS propaganda machine because it benefits your point of view.

greenlid79 5 years, 7 months ago

Compare to: "He's willingly shoveling in spoonfuls of that s*** he's being fed."

Practicality 5 years, 7 months ago

Greenlid,

Thank you for the clarification. That makes sense now. I forgot that is what they used to poison everyone in Jonestown.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

At least Nixon waited until the ink was dry on his signature on the oath of office before he started his enemies list.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't watch Fox News often and I'm sure their talking heads are heavily biased. But I have seen their basic news reporting and have neither seen nor heard anything untoward from that segment. Their morning hosts are too smarmy (nothin's that rib-ticklin' at 0-dark-thirty) and I loathe Hannity and never really heard Beck. That being said, the attempt by the administration to marginalize the lone, politically-opposed news outlet is pathetic, and if the roles were reversed advocates from the left would be screaming bloody murder. I'm surprised and gladdened that the other networks refused to attend without Fox, that really is a very good thing. But what's funniest to me is the usual calvacade of windbags here who post incessantly on how Fox is oh-so-terrible, as if they watch it enough to really know.
Like them or not, the fact remains that they've brought numerous stories to light that got little to no play anywhere else. Hating their political view doesn't detract from that. Things like 'the terrorist fist bump' definitely weaken their credibility, but I doubt there's an on-air op-ed reporter from any network who has not babbled something equally ridiculous at some point; when the spotlight's on and you have to ad-lib, Lord help all in that position 'cuz we've all seen and heard the flubs from too many segments of our media institutions.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

"And your selective outrage doesn't make silencing Fox News by denying them access press conferences right either."

They haven't been banned from press conferences.

"And the fact that Bill Moyers collects a paycheck from the American taxpayer AND spews his left-wing nonsense is an outrage."

Of course, the real reason you hate Moyers so much (other than that's what the wingnut echo chamber tells you to) is that his programs are anything but nonsense. They are intelligent discussions by educated, thoughful people with a variety of viewpoints, many of whom happened to be progressives, but there are many thoughtful conservatives, as well. I can see why that wouldn't be appealing to you.

Fox, on the other hand, is an insult to intelligence-- but you're clearly immune to that.

Satirical 5 years, 7 months ago

I think the White House wants to help Fox's ratings. Because that is all this feud has accomplished.

tbaker 5 years, 7 months ago

If Fox wasn't effective (see: ratings) the WH wouldn't be doing this. I don't blame them. Fox has certainly contributed to President Obama's decline in popularity - which incidentally has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.

It's pretty obvious he has lost every non-democrat that voted for him, and now his ever-declining numbers are cutting into democrats who did. The WH obviously thinks the likes of Hannity and Beck are contributing to this. Instead of blaming Fox for their troubles, they should take a hard look at some of their socialist, unconstitutional policies that are upsetting people.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Expect Axelrod's puppet to announce the start of a daily 5 minutes' hate with Fox as the first target.

staff04 5 years, 7 months ago

"What network had to literally remove two of their own paid anchors from their election coverage desk because this network said their favoritism toward Obama was over the top, and who were the two anchors? (HINT: It was not Fox News)"

Hey Tom...this really speaks more to the credibility of that unnamed news organization that it does against it. They identified a situation in which commentators were showing clear bias and immediately took steps to resolve the problem.

At Fox, on the other hand...

tbaker 5 years, 7 months ago

Hey Staff: You know the difference between "journalism" (aka: news) and "commentary" don't you? Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc are all commentators. Commentators are supposed to be biased.

Those calling themselves "journalists" who are supposedly reporting the news are not supposed to be biased. This violates "journalistic integrity" or so I keep hearing.

At Fox, on the other hand, the WH is mad because their commentators happen to be very effective and ever-more popular.

staff04 5 years, 7 months ago

tbaker-

I don't suppose you are going to claim that Olbermann and Matthews are more than just commentators, are you? I don't know that I've ever heard them referred to as journalists.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

And the blahbeteeblahs go on, it seems.

Fox is a joke. But calling it in the open will do absolutely nothing. You either believe Fox is a joke or you don't, and if you don't then you believe this White House is a joke, and so you're going to side with Fox.

Just let them be a joke. Let that 30% live on in their unfair and unbalanced realities. As long as you don't scare away the rest by things that look bad (such as, say, taking a vested interest in a campaign against a joke), then they're a minority and not really worth worrying about.

canyon_wren 5 years, 7 months ago

Since I don't have TV, I don't see Fox News, nor do I have to see The Great One's face and listen to his pseudo-rhetoric constantly, either. But it seems to me that every day a new item in the 5-6 online newspapers I DO read exposes his inadequacy and immaturity. Things are getting "curiouser and curiouser."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Epic Fail for the O’dude: “The Obama administration on Thursday failed in its attempt to manipulate other news networks into isolating and excluding Fox News, as Republicans on Capitol Hill stepped up their criticism of the hardball tactics employed by the White House. The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. The pool is the five-network rotation that for decades has shared the costs and duties of daily coverage of the presidency. But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/23/white-house-loses-bid-exclude-fox-news-pay-czar-interview/

staff04 5 years, 7 months ago

Does this siding of major networks with Fox news make Fox part of the liberal media, or is it the other way around?

Satirical 5 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like the usual Obama Acolytes and Obama Apologists are still rubber stamping everything Obama.

Paul Decelles 5 years, 7 months ago

"White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Fox is “opinion journalism masquerading as news.”"

Since when is stating the truth about FOX declaring war?

tbaker 5 years, 7 months ago

You're right Staff, Olbermann and Matthews are commentators as well. They spout their opinion and are in the exact same category of pundit / talking head as Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc

The difference is a whole lot more people watch Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly, which is why the WH is attacking Fox.

Think about it: If roles were reversed, and MSNBC had Fox's ratings, would this even be a story? The White House would be pointing to the ratings and saying how irrelevant Fox is. Since they can't do that in this instance they must use a different angle, like accuse them of not being a credible news organization.

The problem with this approach is it has had the opposite effect. Since this whole flap started, Fox ratings have gone up. You can characterize this WH tactic a lot of different ways, depending on your political ideology, but common sense says it is most definitely stupid. Why doesn't Team Obama just come on Fox and point-out where all these commentators have it wrong and defend their policies? If their ideas have as much merit, and the talking heads on Fox are so very wrong with their assessment (as they keep telling us they are) then debunking all this baseless criticism should be easy - right?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

"Since when is stating the truth about FOX declaring war?" Actually, there's been more than that going on. Try to keep up.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 7 months ago

Does it seem that the Pelosi/Obama administration is conducting a broad spectrum indoctrination scheme aimed at the total destruction of the conservatives (read that as anyone who might conceivably oppose Obama) so that when the next election season comes around, there literally IS no opposition? Case in point - Pelosi's speech to the school kids that Obama read so bravely off of the teleprompter. Not only trying to shut down Fox news, but ALL conservative commentators.

And to those who view Fox as nothing but opinion, what news service IS anything but opinion? All news is reported from the viewpoint of the person who wrote the report.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"I'm a 'far leftie' but i agree with the basic premise of this column – censoring or censuring any news organization, whether 'opinion news' or mainstream news, is a slippery slope."

Except that no one - no one - has said or even intimated anything about "censoring" Fox or any other news outlet. It's not a "slippery slope," it would be unconstitutional, and no one is proposing that it happen.

Tom, Godot, the rest of the peanut gallery:

Please explain to me why this WH treating Fox as an opponent is any different than the Bush WH treating NBC/MSNBC as an opponent? I don't remember you hypocrites getting your panties in a wad over Dana Perino saying basically the exact same thing as Anita Dunn...

Satirical 5 years, 7 months ago

Obama is creating an enemies list:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091021/pl_nm/us_washington_summit_politics_enemies

If anyone can find Senator Alexander's full speech I would appreciate it. I read it when it came out, but now can only find news articles about the speech.

preebo 5 years, 7 months ago

FOX is NOT news. There is countless hours of tape that shows Fox's unfettered bias against anything progressive or Democratic. I am not only speaking about their commentators, Beck, O'Reilly, Gibson (gone), Hannity. You can look at their "news coverage" and see for yourself. The reality is that they have a political agenda and they espouse it regularly on their programming, and the truth is that is FINE, but do not carry around this sign of "Fair and Balanced" because it is anything but that.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"Because jimmy, it's true what she said about NBC. You would not be able to see the difference though, without someone telling you."

Ladies and gentlemen, a textbook example of willful ignorance. Awesome.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

"Please explain to me why this WH treating Fox as an opponent is any different than the Bush WH treating nbc/msnbc as an opponent?" The Bush administration never attempted to cut NBC/MSNBC out of the reporting pool. I'm pleasantly amazed that the other networks refused to go along with the current regime's attempt to do just that.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

Hint: the network that released people for bias is the one that is an actual news organization, acting with actual journalistic integrity, as evidenced by the above referenced action.

More softballs, please.

Satirical 5 years, 7 months ago

jimmyjms...

So were these organization "acting with actual journalistic integrity" when these people were hired?

Care to look at a writer for the NYTimes' take on this issue?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?ref=politics

Kirk Larson 5 years, 7 months ago

All the Bush White House ever did was : Send talking points to FOX and other friendly outlets on a near daily basis; Plant male prostitute/unknown blog reporter/pseudonymous Jeff Gannon in the White House press corps to lob softballs; Confine protesters to out of the way "Free Speech Zones"; Host numerous off the record confabs with FOX "reporters" and other friendly wingnuts; Hold supposedly open meetings using public funds where participants had to sign loyalty oaths to get in and questioners were planted; Etc....

Nothing affecting free speech there, eh?

mr_right_wing 5 years, 7 months ago

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

This is only serving to help Fox's ratings.

Folks who don't ordinarily watch FNC are now tuning in to see what all the commotion is about.

Maybe CNN should try and get on Barry-boy's bad side, it sure couldn't hurt their ratings!

whynaut 5 years, 7 months ago

Two quotes from Fox News Sr. V.P. Michael Clement on this topic.

From Fox News: "It's astounding the White House cannot distinguish between news and opinion programming... It seems self-serving on their part."

From the Christian Science Monitor: “The average news consumer can certainly distinguish between the A-section of the newspaper and the editorial page, which is what our programming represents.”

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

CNN is too busy fact-checking SNL skits to do actual reporting.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"I'll take anything close even."

Tom, ask, and ye shall receive (but not admit):

Ladies and gentlemen, five minutes and dozens if not a hundred or more insane statements broadcast by Fox:

whynaut 5 years, 7 months ago

From the above article: "The Treasury Department made available Ken Feinberg, the executive pay czar, for interviews with the White House 'pool' news organizations — except Fox."

Perhaps the WH should formally define what is and is not a 'news organization' is by it's percentage of time devoted to opinion. Then stick to this definition when admitting to the pool, even if it means booting some of the liberal news outlets.

whynaut 5 years, 7 months ago

My prob w/ Fox News, CNN and MSNBC is their sensationalism. They all pretend to be news, but they're all just gluttons for ratings. Nobody watches CSPAN cause it's boring as hell. But that's where you can find information as opposed to spin.

Fight the spin people. If incessant arguing and shameless polarizing frustrates you, then refuse to participate. Only through participation does this unsavory practice thrive.

Take TomShewman. 5,391 (and counting) LJW comments since March 21, 2008. That's over 9 comments per day for the past 581 days. After reading some of Tom's posts, I assure you that it's not because of his keen insight on issues or his thought provoking rhetoric. It's because he says inflammatory things and gets reactions.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"Nothing in clip at least half of America does not agree on."

Numbers on that, Tom, or just the voices in your head?

Gallup has the president at 53% job approval...

Saying things like "the Manchurian candidate couldn't destroy America more quickly" or that this POTUS is trying to move America into "Khmer Rouge" territory? Come on, moron, just admit it - it's beyond the pale.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Shed a tear for poor Barry, wandering the White House late at night, coked to the eyeballs, wondering what Axelrod's gotten him into this time and muttering about Fox News.

puddleglum 5 years, 7 months ago

fox news digest is simply entertainment-nothing else. anyone who believes that it is real news......has got issues.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 7 months ago

JImmyjms wrote earlier: “I'm a 'far leftie' but i agree with the basic premise of this column – censoring or censuring any news organization, whether 'opinion news' or mainstream news, is a slippery slope.”"

At least here, in this forum, we are free to post our opinions freely and without any fear of being censored. Glad we're not in Washington.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

Drink it in:

"They're tuning in to FNC 'cause they are hearing the truth–-the truth they will not get from the other guys for the most part."

A statement like this goes beyond partisanship, beyond stupidity, and just into tinfoil/kool-aid mode.

You're a sad specimen, Tom.

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 7 months ago

Nobody has censored Fox, nobody has withdrawn their credentials. They've just said that they're basically the TV equivalent of talk radio, and not a real news org.

Boo-hoo. Conservatives are up in arms about Fox being called names. Call the waaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance!

It's not censorship -- again, nobody has withdrawn their credentials, blocked them from the WH briefing room, or anything like that.

Hell, Dana Parino (the former administration's Press Sec'y) admitted on Fox that the Bush admin "froze out" MSNBC in the latter part of their tenure.

This is a non-story. Yet more whipped-up controversy from conservatives.

puddleglum 5 years, 7 months ago

whipped up controversy from conservatives?

how do they have time to do that with all of the constructive things they do?

huh.,

na-

na-

na--

nascar!

frank mcguinness 5 years, 7 months ago

Roger Ailes Does not look scared at all. He looks like he puts the fear in every cheeseburger he has ever encountered.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

If Fox News is "just entertainment" why did the Whitehouse News Pool decline when Fox was excluded by the administration???

Hmmm, seems the other "real news" stations are getting a bit peeved at not having any real journalists, like O'KLeef and Giles, with $3000 and broke the largest political scandal this year with ACORN, and caught them lying again about "getting thrown out" of the Phillyt offices. That was a thirty minute interview and the camera ran out of batteries.

Scooped the entire news universe because "the messiah" in in the office.

http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/21/acorn-video-prostitution-scandal-in-philadelphia-pa-part-i/?preview=true&preview_id=18730&preview_nonce=6119575d03

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2009/10/23/nyt-white-house-attacking-fox-because-it-news-thats-problem

""It was an amalgam of stories covered, and our assessment of how others were dealing with those stories, that caused us to comment," Mr. Axelrod said in describing the administration's thinking..."

"This is a discussion that probably had to be had about their approach to things," Mr. Axelrod said. "Our concern is other media not follow their lead.""

So there you have it, they were afraid the other News outlets would start picking up the stories. I guess it was news after all, other wise why would the other news outlets be pickint it up????

"If these stories were not newsworthy, there would be no pressure on the mainstream media to cover them, and the New York Times certainly would not apologize for delaying its coverage."

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 7 months ago

When do we get the SS? This is outrageous and clearly slows that BHO lacks the qualifications for the office of president. He must be impeached as soon as possible!

Impeach Obama Now!

Isn't this how the left wing nut jobs would have reacted if Bush had done this? Hmmmmm

RogueThrill 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't know if you can rely on Chuck here to differentiate between smart and dumb.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"Does this siding of major networks with Fox news make Fox part of the liberal media, or is it the other way around?"

That made me chuckle, staff, thank ya much.

I've seen a few people remark on the headline; it may be off the mark contextually, but it also may not be the original headline. See different lines for the same articles quite often.

brian1981 5 years, 7 months ago

Watching Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and company against all odds nonchalantly hand the current Obama Administration the shovels to happily dig their own graves is truly hilarious.

That's exactly what's going to happen, but this Administration's staggering delusions of grandeur somehow keeps them from seeing this.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

PP,

They still scooped the national press. Even Jon Stewart gets that.

http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=41252

Sit on it an spin.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

These two kids did what "jpournalists" are supposed to do. The "Professionals" were bested by amatuers.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

Keep drinking the Kool aide there "Porch Person", and ignore the fact that the networkd sna other cable "news" outlets are embarassed.

Even Sally Quinn from the Washington Post gets it.

Watch for the blood in the water moment when these organizations actually turn on the Obama administration.

By the way, the immature

(laughter)

you put in your posts makes your posts look like a child's.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

News ratings on Neilson for yesterday

P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,470,000 viewers CNN – 465,000 viewers MSNBC –401,000 viewers CNBC – 187,000 viewers HLN –368,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time FNC – 2,682,000viewers CNN— 749,000 viewers MSNBC –944,000 viewers CNBC – 186,000 viewers HLN – 632,000 viewers

25-54 Total Day FNC –427,000 viewers CNN –126,000 viewers MSNBC –125,000 viewers CNBC – 67,000 viewers HLN- 155,000 viewers

25-54 Prime Time FNC – 734,000 viewers CNN – 196,000 viewers MSNBC –287,000 viewers CNBC – 114,000 viewers HLN – 183,000 viewers

35-64 Total Day FNC – 740,000 viewers CNN – 192,000 viewers MSNBC – 185,000 viewers CNBC – 100,000 viewers HLN – 203,000 viewers

35-64 Prime Time FNC –1,228,000 viewers CNN – 259,000 viewers MSNBC –447,000 viewers CNBC –96,000 viewers HLN –303,000 viewers

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

MSNBC beat CNN, and MSNBC is losing a bunch of revenue. Here is the theory from the sale of an insider of the MSNBC domain by the Parent GE:

"With GE trying to sell NBC-Universal, what do you think will happen with these cable news channels?

I think something like the following will occur since GE is also passing a $9 Billion debt on to the purchaser(s). Short term changes (first six months) will be small with the new owners pressing for improved ratings. Finally, the owners will merge CNBC and MSNBC. This may take the form of a 15 minute market segment every hour during the trading day with news for the remaining 45 minutes. Evenings will continue with opinion/commentary shows from MSNBC, but the owners will bring in a few conservative show hosts in an effort to build ratings. Replacing who? I don't know, but I would start with the lowest rated liberal host.

What would this merged channel be branded? This would pretty much depend upon how much say Microsoft still has in MSNBC."

That would be a more conservative MSNBC and a loss of the liars: Schultz, Olbermann, MadCow, Shurster and old tinglely leg as well.

The "all the time Obama" channel is in its economic death throes and you people cannot see the problem.

brian1981 5 years, 7 months ago

Porch, the approval ratings for the Democratic-dominated Congress is in the teens. That is unbelievable. Obama is well lower and has been for some time earlier in his presidency than any other President in recent memory except for Clinton. Clinton paid for his similar early low approval rating (likewise brought about by obstinate attempts at health care reform when the nation didn't want it) by watching his own party get hammered in the 1994 Congressional elections and so far it appears history will repeat itself in 2010. The only thing that saved Clinton in 1996 is that he decided he valued his own Presidency more than his liberal ideals and successfully took up the sheepskin of a financial conservative. I don't see Obama & Co. making the same about-face.

And listening to liberals take guys like Beck and Limbaugh seriously is laughable. No one who has listened to their shows for very long at all isn't well aware that they are half entertainment and Beck at least admits as much at every commercial break.

Yet the liberal media keeps taking them at face value and all it does is drive up Beck's and Limbaugh's audience and makes the average liberal look even more out of touch with mainstream America than they already are.

The withering attacks Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc. have been under is simply proof they are good at their job. If they were ineffective, they would not be under attack. The Republicans have screwed up plenty in the last nine years, but the Democrats are unwilling to simply sit back and watch them self-destruct. They have apparently decided to one-up the right wing on how to utterly squander massive political capital.

Kyle Chandler 5 years, 7 months ago

i love numbers aszbestos!

heres the corrected rundown, you must of forgot to put Fox in its proper category with the other fantasy networks and their shows.

MTV's 'the City' 3.5 million viewers TLC's 'Jon and Kate Plus 8' 4.5 million viewers MTV's 'the Hills' 2.9 million viewers FOX's 'Prime Time' 2.5 million viewers

these numbers say it all. Honestly i cant tell the difference between any of them.

i would love to see something like ' When Republican Conservatives get 'Radical!' on MTV after the City or the Hills. Ignorance wrapped up so cute even Dick Cheney would watch.

Sheeple is so right.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"The Democrats aren't “in the teens”, their approval is at 45%. Congress as a whole is at 25% approval. The Republicans are at 39% approval. The American public wants the public option to the tune of 60%"

(laughter) Willful ignorance and the numbers that inspire it, tonight on "Mama's House".

Stephen Roberts 5 years, 7 months ago

Move on nothing to see here. Obama is still trying to control the media they he did in the election. They must realize that part is over.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 7 months ago

I would like to see Michael Savage and/or Mark Levine have their own news reporting on national t.v.

That would be interesting....I wonder what the obamy group would do then!

brian1981 5 years, 7 months ago

"Sixty percent" of Americans want the public option? Are you getting your numbers from Moveon.org?

Bill Clinton "one of the four best Presidents ever?"

According to whom? Should any of us take you seriously after that? Who are we going to detonate off of Mt. Rushmore to make way for Clinton?

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

"Sorry you got busted with James O'Keefe's statement that he wasn't going to cooperate with other news organizations over the ACORN story. Kinda disrupts your claim that no other news organizations reported the story, doesn't it? They did and on the same day Fox did. You didn't know that. To me, that's funny."

Nice try Porchie, but why do you think the WH is trying to limit access to Fox News.

Van Jones, Nobody covered that one either. ANd the ACORn stories on all the other so called "News Outlets" were all in favor of ACORN and defending the criminal organization.

So I Find it funny that you cannot see that you are spinning yourself into paradox.

If it is not news, why would the WH try to limit access?

If Fox News was so off base, why does the WH care, and why are they concerned "the other news outlets would follow Fox's lead"/ Why would there be any need to :follow Fox" by the other news oultest if they were not really reporting the...

news?

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

And talk about corruption:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/23/dunns-husband-emerging-contender-white-house-counsel/?test=latestnews

That is correct Anita Dunn the WH Communications Office Director and media idiot of the year, is the husband of the WH Counsel and the President's Presonal Lawyer.

I believe I would want more seperation in those two concerns of legal and media.

Just Like George Bush did, putting his Texas people in, President Obama is only using his "inner circle" from CHicago, and that is a dirty political place.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

Why Lincoln? Is this because he freed the slaves and you are a racist?

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 7 months ago

Marion, go back to your illegal spamming operation.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"This “War on Fox” is nothing but the latest gimmick"

Yeah. This never happened:

"Anita Dunn, the White House communications director, asserted in recent interviews that there is little difference between the news and opinion shows,.." in reference to Fox.

And that's not the only instance such a statement has come from the WH recently. Sorry, that's an eggregious misuse of WH influence. Since when has it been the business of any administration to inform the public as to what does or does not constitute a legitimate news source? Members of the WH have been taking their cracks lately and now they've attempted to shut them out on an interview. Coulda sworn there was somethin' in the Constitution about our government endorsing and fighting for a free press; instead they smear and then LIMIT Fox's access?
Like I said before, don't watch Fox much at all and don't know enough about their overall lineup to defend them as a whole, but only a pea-brained fool could actually read this article, read and/or hear the statements against Fox from the WH, and then come out and call it all a "gimmick" of Fox's creation. People that challenged should only be allowed to eat with sporks to keep them from injuring themselves.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

I guess you know that first hand there beo.

Don't include us in your delusion.

jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"This is attention getting behavior on the part of FOX. "

Yup. They staged being omitted from the interview with Feinberg and all those comments from the White House have actually been digitally altered by Fox. Master stroke.

Nothing but sporks, I'm tellin' ya. Or at least put a cork on his fork like Ruprecht. And a genital cuff seems prudent as well.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 7 months ago

Fox News is sure getting a lot of attention.

Thanks BHO! We conservatives appreciate it.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

PP wrote:

"Fox getting denied permission initially to be a part of a pool interview of some bureaucrat doesn't not constitute “a war”, no matter how how much attention Fox needs."

Then why did the other 4 members of the pool decline until Fox was allowed back in???

Yes, there is som ethics left at the Lame Stream Media and now they have been called out.

You guys complained about the Bush admin with the press, now here is an administration calling out a specific news organization and isolating and dictating what news is.

The MSM will not stand for that, even though you cheerleading koolaide drinkers revel in this muck.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

No, Bloomberg is not a "major nnews outlet". The Pool consists of Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS. That is the pool. There are no substitutes for the pool because they provide the informationin "pool reporting" to the rest.

http://www.breitbart.tv/members-of-press-pool-protest-as-white-house-escalates-war-on-fox-news/

Don't know why you are laughing so much (laughter) ???

You just showed your ignorance on the matter of press pools and how they function.

And you are sadly misinformed.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

I will bet that you do not use the links provided

(Laughter)

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

I bet you will go looking for a left wing blog to reconcile your ignorance on the subject of Press Pools and the decorum.

(Laughter)

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

I bet you will help yourself to another overflowing glass of koolaide.

(laughter)

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

No you are totally "out of contest" as in your original premiss is wrong. Pool reporting has rules and they report and share with the rest, and the administration said only part of the pool would be allowed, and the rest of the pool protested.

Fox did not "pool report" on ACORN. Only someone that is totally ignorant "pool reporting" would make the assertions you did.

Besides the "pool" is assigned by the Whitehouse, ie that administration.

"Trouble was the other organizations reported the scandal at the same time Fox did."

No they did not. They "reported" on being apologists and are ACORN supporters. That is what you are missing.

POOL is assigned by the Whitehouse, for the third time, and therefore you statment"

"So much for Fox's stance on “pool reporting” during the ACORN scandal."

That shows the ignorance for everyone to see. (not you however, (Laughter)

What a clueless person you are.

How old are you, fifteen?

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

"Tell me, Asbestos. Is it part of “news gathering” to promote anti-government protests as Fox-News has done?"

Tell me Porch moron, is it "news gathering" for the rest of the news media to actively campaign for a Presidential Candidate (Obama)< and then protect him withonly glowing press?

The news is tilted,a nd that iw what President Obama knows, and he does not want the rest of the "news" to "follow Fox's Lead". That is a direct quote from Rahm and Axelrod. MSNBC and CNN all had people openly campaigning for Obama and is currently repeating Administration talking points.

Your context is idiotic.

My typing and spelling is the only thing you can actually be right about, but contest, and context and factual points, you are a confirmed koolaide drinker.

What happened to your

(laughter)????

Ha Ha Haa Ha Ha Haa (laughter) (Laughter)

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