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GOP must reject talk jocks

October 22, 2009


Ever so slowly, sane Republicans and conservatives are finally marshaling the courage to confront the unhinged broadcasters in their midst — and not a moment too soon, given the fact that these loons now seem to be running the asylum.

The GOP has lately made gains with its anti-Obama incantations, but the fact remains that the party has no affirmative unifying message and no national leader. As a result, various warlords — Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, and other marketers of venom — continue to fill the breach, in ways that are profoundly unhelpful to the Republican image.

Most prominent Republicans are still too cowed to call out Beck for what he truly is — a demagogue who is nurturing paranoia — because they confuse microphone power with political power. (Can the talk jocks deliver votes? They probably can’t deliver a pizza.) Nevertheless, some are speaking out. They don’t want the conservative cause to be hijacked by tinfoil-hatted broadcasters who believe, for instance, that the symbol on the back of the dime was a fascist plot hatched by Democrat Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

Some speaking up

David Frum, the ex-Bush speechwriter who helped coin the term “Axis of Evil,” got fed up with Beck not long ago when the Fox News superstar sought to defame an Obama nominee by insisting on the air that this nominee — in real life, a free-market economist — favors the execution of retarded children and wants to give monkeys the right to sue. (I kid you not.) Frum assailed Beck for “recklessness and political cowardice,” but he was only warming up.

“We conservatives are submitting our movement to some of the most unscrupulous people in American life,” Frum wrote on his blog. “... It’s beyond time for conservatives who know better to ... emancipate ourselves from leadership by the most stupid, the most cynical, and the most truthless.”

Peter Wehner, another ex-Bush speechwriter, seconded Frum earlier this fall: “At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on.”

Former Bush strategist Mark McKinnon recently denounced radio host Mark Levin for “spewing streams of hate-filled venom at Obama that were jaw-dropping.” Charles Murray, an eminent conservative author and scholar, lamented recently that these broadcasters have become “far too much of the public face of the right today — crudely sarcastic when they are not being angry, mean-spirited, and often embarrassingly ignorant.”

Not just tone

But it’s not just the tone that worries these conservative critics.

Far worse is the fact that Beck and some of his brethren are just as capable of skewering the GOP, and inspiring fans to do the same. A few weeks back, he stunned many Republicans by declaring in an interview, “I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama.” Why? Because “I think McCain is a weird progressive, like Theodore Roosevelt was.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican, defended his pal McCain, telling Fox News that Beck “doesn’t represent the Republican Party. ... When a person says he represents conservatism and that the country’s better off with Barack Obama than John McCain, that sort of ends the debate for me as to how much more I’m going to listen.”

Graham was seconded the other day by a fellow South Carolina Republican, Rep. Bob Inglis. At a town-hall meeting, one of the usual screamers invoked Beck’s TV show — whereupon Inglis replied, “Here’s what I suggest: Turn that television off.” He later added, “I’ve come away just so disappointed with (his) negativity. The America that Glenn Beck seems to see is a place where we should all be fearful. ... It sure does sell soap, but it sure does a disservice to America.”

Still a minority

But these conservative critics are still in the minority. More typical is commentator Jonah Goldberg, who recently insisted that Beck, Limbaugh, and the others are good for the cause because they’re lots of fun; as he explained, “making conservatism popular means making it less stuffy and intellectual and more accessible.”

Sen. Joe McCarthy made conservatism seem less stuffy and intellectual back in the early ’50s — until the red-baiter went too far and launched smears against the U.S Army. And radio host Charles Coughlin popularized anti-Roosevelt sentiment in the late ’30s — until he labeled FDR’s agenda “the Jew Deal” and voiced sympathy for the Nazis.

Few conservatives challenged either of those demagogues in their day. And few conservatives today have uttered a peep about ascendant radio jock Alex Jones, whose post-Beck shtick is that Obama is fronting for a global totalitarian conspiracy. Jones’ pitch has gotten more than four million hits on YouTube. Will conservatives brave these numbers and stand up for sanity?

Those who refuse to police their own cause may well be advised to remember the 18th-century words of British conservative Edmund Burke, who said, “All that’s necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.”


Paul R Getto 8 years, 6 months ago

Could be a good move, if they can pull it off. If the R's can shed their extreme right wing (let them start the Christian Identity Party, or American Taliban, whichever name they choose) they might get back to their roots--helping business, farmers and bankers. If they do, I might be able to vote for an R again. Lordy, I still Miss Bob and Nancy.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 6 months ago

Only the voices approved by Dear Leader should have access to the airwaves. Dear Leader does not like dissenting opinions.

bondmen 8 years, 6 months ago

Wimpy, ineffectual, compromising so called conservatives like some of these mentioned above have brought us moderates like George H. W. and George W. Bush - both of whose presidencies lead to even worse administrations. Who says Barack Hussein Obama is not an International Socialist rather than merely a National Socialist? Doesn't he care more about what the world thinks than what American's think? Isn't he always apologizing for what America stands for every chance he gets? Isn't he very near to signing an international treaty which will subvert American sovereignty to an international body all in the guise of protecting the world from global warming and carbon emissions? Washington insider conservatives want to be liked by the opposition and the media and certainly the next big social party. They'll never stand up and tell us what's really going on, though to many of US it's clear.

Rex Russell 8 years, 6 months ago

This is dead on. Absolutely on the money. When the GOP let the lunitic fringe and broadcasting blowhards start running the show, they dramatically redefined what conservatism is. And much to the worse. So much that many no longer define themselves as Conservative as to not be confused with the "conservatism" being sold as this time. Many, like myself left the party all together because there seems no hope for real conservatives in the GOP on the horizon. The party is left in shambles, with shuckters at the top peddling fear and paranoia and pandering to anger. This is low-brow politics pandering to the low brow population. Evective, but disgusting. Well GOP, you willingly married this ugly monster, lets see if you get a divorce. No sympathy though, this is precisely what happens when you sell your soul to the devil.

think_about_it 8 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, that's right. The conservatives should take advise from some limp wristed,main stream know-it-all.

The biggest problem facing the GOP right now is the weak left leaning candidates that are being offered up for us to vote on. Look at the crazy chick trying to get elected in New York right now whose voting record is to the left of most New Yorkers and she is an (R). And John McCain? Please.

Give us conservatives and we will elect you.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 6 months ago

The more radical the object of the criticism, the more radical the criticism will be. People like Polman, who have witnessed the abject failure of liberal talk radio, would love to silence talk radio on the other side and are doing everything in their power to accomplish just that. Yes, some of the talk radio hosts, especially Beck, often say inane things and are ultimately terminally boring - but that's not at all new in the history of political criticism in this country. I wonder whether Polman has ever studied or even read the emotionally-laden invective that was routinely hurled at political opponents in print in the late 1700's and early 1800's in this country. Polman's Fourth Estate forebears deeply respected the First Amendment, and routinely revved it up, both in printed criticism and political cartoons, like a guy who's just bought a new Harley. The big picture in all this is that Polman, a committed far-left liberal, has no interest whatsoever in helping the GOP, and this column is pure hypocrisy. His sole interest is in ramping up criticism of certain talk radio hosts prior to the Obama administration's already-planned attempts to re-assert the Fairness Doctrine, which will occur as soon as it has time to take a break from socialized medicine, cap and tax, more stimulus waste and its other attempts to, as Obama himself said, "fundamentally transform America."

bondmen 8 years, 6 months ago

tumbilweed I see you're letting your sacred religion get in the way of scientific facts. We all share a love for the creation and wish our children to live in a safe, clean environment.

How does one explain the apparent evidence of past ice ages, some say up to seven of them, and all occurring prior to man's industrialization or widespread use of fossil fuels? In other words how does one explain, where there have been obvious periods of global warming, they've all been followed by periods of global cooling without the questionable benefits of flawed human legislation?

What do you say about volcanoes and changes in the sun which can greatly affect earth's climate? Is there effective human legislation which can control these forces? Unfortunately no.

And if you get your desired global government legislation to control carbon inputs and outputs, what will you say to the millions of poor people around the world whose economic prospects for improving their lives will be dashed from greater costs; costs that by their nature proportionately and regressively punish the poor in particular?

cowboy 8 years, 6 months ago

Recent polls indicate less than 20% of folks identify themselves as republicans. The narrow minded supra moralistic agenda combined with unprecedented hippocracy and policy failure has put the repubs in the tank. It is what it is , completely apart from mainstream .

Flap Doodle 8 years, 6 months ago

cowboy, I don't know any conservatives who own a Supra. Did you perhaps mean Camry?

think_about_it 8 years, 6 months ago

Where was this magic poll of yours taken cowboy? San Fransisco?

headdoctor 8 years, 6 months ago

Not very surprising. Most people who have mental illness are incapable of figuring out they have a problem.

What I find disturbing is just about everything I thought the Republican Party was against is exactly what the modern Republicans have became a carbon copy of. They not only are approving of their appeal to the angry, ignorant and uneducated but are also nurturing those that think along the same lines.

cowboy 8 years, 6 months ago

Tom , might want to turn the channel from fake news once in awhile , look at all the results. While working thru the mire of health care and the economy Obama still is in the mid fifties. Your good ole boys are 20 and under . In any political measurement that's a frigging landslide.

                           FAVORABLE    UNFAVORABLE

PRESIDENT OBAMA 56 (52) 39 (43) +8

PELOSI: 33 (32) 59 (59) +1 REID: 30 (31) 59 (58) -2 McCONNELL: 18 (19) 64 (63) -2 BOEHNER: 14 (15) 62 (63) 0

CONGRESSIONAL DEMS: 38 (39) 57 (56) -2 CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: 17 (18) 70 (69) -2

DEMOCRATIC PARTY: 40 (39) 51 (52) +2 REPUBLICAN PARTY: 22 (23) 68 (69) 0

headdoctor 8 years, 6 months ago

think_about_it (Anonymous) says… Where was this magic poll of yours taken cowboy? San Fransisco?

This type of ignorance is exactly why the Republicans are in trouble. There is a difference in the number of registered Republicans compared to the number that identify themselves as Republicans. Although I have a feeling if the Republican Party continues on their path the number of registered Republicans will decline considerably from what it was in say like 2004. The first link is much more recent. than the second one from 2007.

orbiter 8 years, 6 months ago

It's fun watching the very voices that this articles skewers rise up in this comments section in a seeming scrable to be as unhinged, bigoted and intellectually vapid as the article suggests.

I don't know what is funnier: 1. that you guys actually believe that your old timey bigoted nationalism is the political wave of the future; or 2. that you don't understand how your foolish rants are so stereotypical that you are engaging in self-parody.

Keep up the gay jokes and cryptoracist proclamations, you're really going places. Keep telling yourself that. Nevermind the world around you. Nevermind that you are just like the Segregationists, anti-women's suffragists, etc. that flailed around just as you are doing now. Nevermind all that. You are the wave of the future. This time you'll win. This time the younger generations won't be ashamed of you.

headdoctor 8 years, 6 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… Head case, I'd laugh myself off the chair if I didn't know your posting history already. You're using a poll that's almost three years old and before Americans got a chance to see this trainwreck of a gov't.? And what about the almost 25% of the voting base that are Independent, many of whom are not going to vote for Obama again. And one more thing, I wonder how many registered Democrats were signed on with the aid of ACORN? I'd say in the millions–1.5 million in 2008 alone–all low-income, minorities and the young voter. Gee, wonder who they voted for. And that's just one year. I guess the GOP needs a crooked arm of their party to go out and do the same thing, huh?

Well, there is part of your problem. Apparently reading and math is not your strong points. May 2009 nor June of 2007 is hardly three years old. Now it is clear why you think things are a train wreck since Obama has only been in office 10 months and we are only into his budget 22 days. I am amused that you are blaming Obama for Bush Administration left overs. As usual you wont let facts or reality stand in the road of a good rant.

I am sure that Cowboy just like myself knows that we are now part of the loony left since we are crossing the very little thought process of the loony right.

headdoctor 8 years, 6 months ago

BTW Tom, my screen name is headdoctor not head case. We may bad mouth each other or agree to disagree but you could at least get that right.

akuna 8 years, 6 months ago

Is Tom Shewmon a FoxNews commentator? He seems to be foaming at the mouth like Beck and O'Reilly.

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

headdoctor, TomShowman likes to mess with usernames, because he's like a playground bully; he cannot help himself. Oops, I meant TomShewmon. Sorry about that.

The GOP is out of power for one main reason: when they had control of both houses and the presidency, yet they spent/wasted more than any other government/administration in history. When that happened, a lot of real conservatives started to question where their own party was heading. They became their own worst enemy, and the Dem's were there to take advantage of it.

Another thing that bothered a lot of real conservatives was how much the GOP started getting into everyone's business (remember Terri Schiavo? wire-tapping?), which also went against their core principals. When/if the GOP ever gets back to those core values, they'll get voters back. Until then, they'll have people like Limbaugh and Beck as their leaders, and they'll be in the minority. Plain and simple.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

All you Liberals and faux Conservatives can belittle and chastise all you want. As was stated earlier, give us a true Conservative in the guise of the Reagan model, we will put him in office. All pretenders need not apply.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

And if you aren't foaming at the mouth, you have bought in to the Marxist's agenda. Perhaps when the government starts telling you what radio station you can listen to, more people will start foaming at the mouth. Sound farfetched?

Obama appointee Mark Lloyd, FCC Diversity Czar and George Soros worshiper; "It should be clear... that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press, this freedom is too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies." He continues, "...the purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance." Source---"Prologue to a Farce: Communication and Democacy in America", Mark Lloyd 2006.

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion, that is pretty weak. Have you ever heard of delegating your duties. Good bosses do that. Bad bosses micromanage everything. In addition, it shows that Obama did good in hiring this guy. So what's the negative?

mr_right_wing 8 years, 6 months ago

Some ugly jealousy there.

It is beyond the grasp of liberals to harnass talk radio. They've tried, and failed, then tried again and failed. They can't compete, so they appoint an FCC diversity czar to try and muzzle the descent. (...and the abysmally failing, and the desperate move to bring back the unfairness doctrine!)

So it's bad that there isn't ONE voice that stands above the others? I think that is great! I don't want to listen to Rush so I have several alternatives! (Also known as "choice") I'll use your word right back against you....DIVERSITY!

The American people have embraced conservative talk radio, it is here to stay. "Sticks and stones...."

Flap Doodle 8 years, 6 months ago

Conservate media people should strive to be more like Contessa Brewer. Oh, wait, she introduced Jesse Jackson recently as Al Sharpton. BTW, did Air America ever pay back the money that was diverted from a charity?

tbaker 8 years, 6 months ago

This is all quite entertaining, but nonetheless academic because federal elections are won in the middle of the ideological spectrum, not the margins. The "middle" is being influenced by conservative commentators. Polman asserts this influence is harming the conservative cause. Polman ignores the facts.

When you look at polls that sample "likely voters" as opposed to just anybody, it's pretty clear the President and his congress have lost every single non-democrat that voted for them, and now the support of non-liberal democrats is also falling away. If the presidential election were today, Mr. Obama would be soundly beaten because the margin he won by has evaporated.

Nearly 40% of likely voters say they "strongly" disapprove of the president (higher for congress) and that number has continued to grow since election day. That leaves the 60% of voters remaining on the two partisan margins. Mr. Polman should consider which margin is growing and ask himself whether popular conservative commentary has anything to do with that trend. He should consider why the White House has devoted so much effort towards discrediting conservative commentary.

The answer is pretty obvious: Because it's effective. Just look at the ratings. A brief 8th-grade demographic analysis will conclude the growing number of viewers / listeners / book-buyers simply cannot all be Zealot Shewmons, unless that's what you call a disaffected democrat.

Rex Russell 8 years, 6 months ago

Tom S.: Ranting about what you you don't like about the President and the Democratic Party, doesn't make the authors points in his article any less true and accurate about the GOP. As usual you spend more time spouting imflammitory rhetoric instead of adding to the conversation. Usually in a debate forum, when someone applies misdirection instead of addressing the topic being discussed, it means they are in a weak position to defend. Next time, bring more brain to the discussion and less Tom Shrewmon. You are getting as tiring as Merrill's copy and paste.

BigPrune 8 years, 6 months ago

The Democrats must reject the atheist religion and "kill all babies" mentality.

It's quite obvious the author of this article is just rehashing Obama rhetoric, trying to shoot the messenger. That's how the mainstream media got Obama elected.

georgiahawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Lesson of WW2, millions of people can be wrong at the same time!

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion says: "...You have a half-black president who should more appropriately be considered racially-mixed."

Marion, I thought you said that he's half-Kenyan. Please make your mind up;-)

Satirical 8 years, 6 months ago

I would consider condemning "talk jocks" if the left first condemned Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and everyone who called Bush a war criminal and a warmonger.

bondmen 8 years, 6 months ago

Barry Hussein Obama and his Mao czars should just get it over with and pull the plug on Fox News - why don't t they take 'em off the air if they think they have the power. Might as well go for it guys, take 'em down and quit your worthless jawboning and lip flapping. You boys and girls want to intimidate US and control the news talkers and readers then make like it's yours. Make the claim and put you flag in the ground! Then finally all the people will know your true colors aren't red, white and blue, but red through and through.

Satirical 8 years, 6 months ago

Oops, forgot to add Keith Olbermann to the list of people the left must reject.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

"porch_person (Anonymous) says…

I've asked you several times for the reference for your “Obama is at double digit disapproval index streaking with a white wine sauce poured over steamed clams” BS but you don't have it. It's just your daily conservative propaganda. "

"Obama’s Approval Rating Hits New Low in MSNBC/WSJ Poll By Max Gray • on July 30, 2009 at 8:28 pm"


Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh yeah, porch, about the denial of death panels; do you know who Ezekiel Emanuel is? Maybe you should read his thoughts on health care since he will apparently be the one making those decisions.


Flap Doodle 8 years, 6 months ago

In other news, Air Force One is in the shop to have its right wing removed and replaced with a second left wing that is mounted upside-down. Air Force pilots are drawing straws to see who has to try to fly it.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 6 months ago

"It is beyond the grasp of liberals to harnass talk radio. They've tried, and failed, then tried again and failed. They can't compete, so they appoint an FCC diversity czar to try and muzzle the descent. "

This is simply not true and no amount of repitition by the right wingers will make it so. Media consolidation over the last two decades has resulted in our public airwaves being controlled more and more by a dwindling number of media conglomerates. These large media entities have a point of view and it is, by and large, not progressive or liberal. That conservative talk shows spouting and supporting agendas in support of the corporate outlook are the norm is not terribly surprising given what has been permitted on the ownership front. What has been remarkable has been the ability of these entities to convince their listening public that the media is controlled by a liberal agenda. It is no accident that one can drive coast to coast across this country and have multiple stations on the dial all offering Limbaugh/OReilly/Hannity/Savage. This is a country in which 40%+ of the country routinely votes Democratic, yet those who own the media consistently offer the conservative talk brand product. Liberal talk has not failed. Those 5-6 major media companies that control 90% of the AM radio stations have simply determined that the conservative agenda more adequately supports their corporate interests. Perhaps that is their right as owners of the stations, but they have a license to use the public airwaves and it is not unreasonable for the public acting through its elected representatives to attach some fairness requirements to the right to use those airwaves. Programming of some percentage of diverse outlook seems reasonable.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

"Obama Quarterly Approval Average Slips Nine Points to 53%Largest second- to third-quarter drop for an elected president" Gallup Poll October 21, 2009

Is that recent enough for you porch? You should seek help for your denial issues.

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

Guardian, I found the article, and here's the entire set of numbers according to from three months ago:

"President Obama’s job approval rating has hit a new low, of 53 percent, in a new MSNBC/WSJ poll. To compare, Obama’s job approval rating was 61 percent in February.

Additionally, Obama’s support on the economy is shrinking. Only 49 percent of respondents approved of Obama’s handling of the economy, down from 56 percent in February.

However, Obama’s support on foreign policy is continuing to hold strong; it is currently 57 percent, up from 56 percent in April.

Obama will have to do more than a few more town meetings if he is going to turn those first two numbers around."

And GWB left with a 22% approval rating. (source:

So who cares? Polls are not everything in the world, and I remember hearing that from the GOP when they were in power. if you want real change, vote independently, and don't sell your soul to one party.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

porch, Weak attempt at deflection, but you did not adress the comment.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago


You are absolutely correct about polls. They are only as good as the questions written and the demographics of those polled. All I did was provide porch the link he was looking for. As far as voting Independent, I agree, Unfortunately, until things turn around, voting Independent only wastes a vote, a la Ross Perot.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

In May, Republicans were at 14%. We are now at 39 %. That's called an improvement. Biraq was at 62% last quarter and at 53 % now. That's called a reduction. I can see where you have room for laughter

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 6 months ago

I think this article is spot on.

Guys like Beck, Savage, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh are ruining the GOP's image. I think there are way too many Repubs that follow these guys verbatim.

Be conservative if you wish, but please think for yourselves!

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

Can you show me where Emauel denied making those comments?

georgiahawk 8 years, 6 months ago

To bad Zappa died! He would of made a great president! Weasels Ripped My Flesh

jonas_opines 8 years, 6 months ago

Satirical: Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson? Missed both of their million strong viewing demographics. It's almost like it's a bad comparison.

You should just agree, rather than deflect. The point of the article is a good one, perhaps proven by the fact that you had to deflect rather than address the point.

beawolf 8 years, 6 months ago

I didn't read every post in this thread, so forgive me if I repeat.

The Republicans can't denounce these "editorial" news shows as they do represent a large majority of their base. The far right is all they have left. Most moderate republicans are leaning to the left only because of the extremism of the right. Or, they are becoming Libertarians or Independents. You have to appeases your constituency. It's a catch 22 for most Republican incumbents. You need to get elected, but what's the point if your party is impotent.

tbaker 8 years, 6 months ago

Guardian - Simple math doesn't work for some of these zombies. Their blind partisanship is impervious to facts.Take comfort in the knowledge they have no hope of influencing the real world because they refuse to live in it. Let them shriek and spew their baseless crap. Don't try to challenge them - encourage them. The more ridiculous they become, the more people in the real world see them for what they are. They've been chained up under the basement steps a long time. They have a lot of pent up angst to vent. Be patient. Mr. Ballot Box will pay them a visit in about 13 months. The crazier they appear, the better.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 6 months ago

Here's a link that happened to be on the same page that Tom directed us to:

Pretty disturbing take on the status of the GOP. More Beck anyone?


jaywalker 8 years, 6 months ago

"Liberal talk has not failed. Those 5-6 major media companies that control 90% of the AM radio stations have simply determined that the conservative agenda more adequately supports their corporate interests"

Ya gotta hop off the Malarkey Express, scott. If 'liberal talk' were popular whatsoever, it'd be all over the radio. Radio is business, just like everything else, and if it sells it sticks. There is one station per metro market that carries Limbaugh, Beck, and the like; out of how many? And you figure it's some sort of right wing conspiracy keepin' liberal talk radio off the waves? That's so silly it's sad. And if that were the case, why doesn't the same conspiracy overtake newspapers, magazines, and tv? Wail as much as you like, but conservative-leaning newspapers can be counted on one hand, I can't even name a popular right mag, and Fox News is the sole conservative cable outlet. You've seen this list before: Time, Newsweek, NY Times, Washington Times, Tampa Tribune, Atanta AJC, Chicago Sun-Times, Cleveland Plains Dealer, LA Times, CNN, all NBC news affilates - all left leaning news sources, and that's a drop in the bucket.
Continuously spouting that there's some rich cabal slanting everything right is ridiculous. One radio call sign per market is hardly an omnipotent force.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 6 months ago

tbaker, You understand what I was doing. 'Nuff said!

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

Ricky_Vaughn, thanks for the note in being independently-minded, and thanks for the link to the story. I wish they'd stop copying and pasting the same old crap, and talk about the issues at hand civily.

The GOP and Dem backers need to accept that poll numbers will go up and down, and they are not the be-all end-all. Get over it already, and get over the fact that you lost only 11 months ago.

And Tom Showman, Obama would have to drop another 30+ points to get as bad as GWB. It could happen, but who honestly cares. Oh, that's do!

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

Ricky Vaughn's linked story title reads: "73% of GOP Voters Say Congressional Republicans Have Lost Touch With Their Base"

jaywalker 8 years, 6 months ago

"The far right is all they have left"

That's not true, beawolf, or at least it's only partly true. The 'far right' isn't all conservatives have left by a long shot. It's just that, unfortunately, the 'far right' are the only ones speaking out (or 'making noise', if you will). The downfall of the Republican party hasn't occurred because of the shrillneess of the far right, it's occurred because of the virtual silence from true conservatives on the Hill and their curious inability to find strong leadership. I can't even remember the last time I heard Michael Steele open his mouth. And everyone else they'd like to annoint keeps gettin' caught with his pants down. Bizaare.

Ralph Reed 8 years, 6 months ago

@berrypender, re your 0958: You wrote. "Is this Ghetto guy for real? Does he have any street cred concerning the evolution of humans? At any rate. Maybe a subscription to Scientific America could help."

Ghetto has way more street cred than you. To begin with, he doesn't take potshots from behind a screen name. He also doesn't bring in agruments not germaine to the discussion (see your "eveolution of humans"). However, that being aside, I'm sure he would appreciate a gift subscription to 'Scientific American' were you to give him one - might be a nice gesture at that.

@Tom, re your rants: Your rants are improving, or at least getting longer if you can call that an improvement. Prohaps the article hit home more than you think. Now, look at some additional sources and find articles to refute what Polman says. Try to do that without vitriol and ranting, otherwise you're simply parrotting the behavior that Polman says is tearing apart the Reps and Cons. Think about what you're writing, you're proving Polman right. This is especially odd coming from someone who's admitted he's a libertarian (according to some short test) instead of a far-right ultra-conservative. If I remember correctly, Liberty-One even welcomed you into the libertarian fold on another thread.

Now, about the article. I think Polman hit it spot on. Look at what Republican Rep Inglis is quoted as saying above, " 'Here’s what I suggest: Turn that television off.” He later added, “I’ve come away just so disappointed with (his) negativity. The America that Glenn Beck seems to see is a place where we should all be fearful. ... It sure does sell soap, but it sure does a disservice to America.' " That's what Glenn Beck and the rest of the Melange do, they sell fear, hate and loathing. Take a look at the cover of his lasted printed rant and that's what you see, an attempt to sell fear, hate and loathing.

Charles Murray is quoted as saying, "...crudely sarcastic when they are not being angry, mean-spirited, and often embarrassingly ignorant." Unfortunately for the Reps and Cons he's correct. Beck, as well as the rest of the melange, has taken something built on the backs of Reagon and others and supported by Buckley and others, and perverted it to the point that it's twisted beyond recognition. Murray's short article is here.


Scott Drummond 8 years, 6 months ago


I am not saying it is a plot, what I am saying is that when you move from 100 people owning and programing AM radio stations, to 5 people doing so, the result is you get the programming choices that those 5 people choose to offer, as opposed to the diversity of 100 choices. When those 5 entities are all large corporations, they tend not to offer programming that disturbs their corporate view of the way the world should be. An AM dial in which Rush and the ilk are ubiquitous is the result. You can claim that public choice is the cause of that result, but I contend it is the consequence of the consolidation of ownership. How do you explain the fact that there is a sizeable segment of the population that is reliably Democratic. How is it that the AM radio does not serve them? I'd comment that perhaps its as simple as people who read lean left and those who like to listen to one-sided screaming listen to the radio, but that wouldn't be nice.

bad_dog 8 years, 6 months ago

My sides are hurting from all this...



ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

It's going to be pretty funny to see you on these boards after and if he ends up winning a second term Tom;-)


Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 6 months ago

Tom, I hear the GOP is looking for a candidate in're about as qualified as anyone else they could find.

Take Obama down yourself!

Scott Drummond 8 years, 6 months ago

"It's going to be pretty funny to see you on these boards after and if he ends up winning a second term Tom;-)"

As I recall, Mr. Tom was confidently predicting a McCain victory right up until the election last year. It is not only going to be funny seeing him spout his same innacurate ravings, it will be even older and more boring than it is now.

headdoctor 8 years, 6 months ago

Pay particular attention to the politicians in this clip. They could have shot this movie with the modern day so called Republicans and wouldn't have even needed to change the script. The clothing maybe but not the mentality. Is you is or is you ain't my constituency. LMAO.

jaywalker 8 years, 6 months ago

"the result is you get the programming choices that those 5 people choose to offer"

We've spoken of this before, but you just can't rationally believe that the "5 people" that own all these radio stations are taking an active role in deciding format. You're talking about incredibly wealthy, exceptionally intillegent, monumentally busy men. I guarantee you, they don't spend one second of their valuable time with programming. And again, one station - ONE - per city is carryng the conservative talk shows. Why not all 50?

"they tend not to offer programming that disturbs their corporate view of the way the world should be"

Sorry, buddy, but you began your response with "I am not saying it is a plot", and then you slipped the above in halfway through. That's not just sayin' it's a plot, bro, you're actually positing that this is all some intricate conspiracy to promote their "view of the way the world should be." You and I went round and round about liberal bias in the media; the difference being that while I feel assured of an overall liberal bias in the media, I do NOT believe it's any kind of conspiracy or even a 'group effort'. Too many reporters write with their opinions on their sleeves instead of impartially, as it should be. That's it. You shouted down those arguments, and yet here you go even farther on the flip side of the coin? Come on, man, you have to step back and admit that's hypocritical.

"How is it that the AM radio does not serve them?"

Pretty simple. The 'product' doesn't get the listeners. Atlanta had Air America for a while, like a lot of stations did. I think they're still around in some markets , and Lord knows there are plenty who lean left in North Georgia, but in a city of 5 million they couldn't pull the numbers.

ferrislives 8 years, 6 months ago

scott3460 says "As I recall, Mr. Tom was confidently predicting a McCain victory right up until the election last year. It is not only going to be funny seeing him spout his same innacurate ravings, it will be even older and more boring than it is now."

Well, I'll make sure to stop by the threads the day after the election. It's always nice to be entertained.

jaywalker 8 years, 6 months ago

intelligent instead of impartially as it should be

Whew. That was ugly.

jumpin_catfish 8 years, 6 months ago

Wake up Americans, this isn't about the GOP dysfunction, its about a president with total power and control on his agenda.

Ralph Reed 8 years, 6 months ago

@jumpin_catfish, re your 2018: That's what we had for 8 years before President Obama was inaugurated, wasn't it?

TopJayhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

Jack Caffery, Keith Olberman. And many other clowns on MSNBC, Allen Colmbs etc. I think the Dems, once again should get their own house in order first.
Obama is putting pressure on Fox and others. Can't stand the heat Barry? I'd resign if I were you. Say what you want about Beck. He was right on Van Jones. And has been right on on several other topics.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 6 months ago

"There’s only one thing dumber than picking a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel -- picking a fight with people who don’t even have to buy ink. The Obama administration’s war on Fox News is dumb on multiple levels. It makes the White House look weak, unable to take Harry Truman’s advice and just deal with the heat. It makes the White House look small, dragged down to the level of Glenn Beck. It makes the White House look childish and petty at best, and it has a distinct Nixonian -- Agnewesque? -- aroma at worst. It is a self-defeating trifecta: it distracts attention from the Obama administration’s substantive message; it serves to help Fox, not punish it, by driving up ratings; and it deprives the White House, to the extent it refuses to provide administration officials to appear on the cable network, of access to an audience that is, in fact, broader than hard-core Obama haters."

puddleglum 8 years, 6 months ago

wow. snap has posted more than one sentence. oh wait, it is just a quote. maybe you and merrill are not so different?

puddleglum 8 years, 6 months ago

Tom IS fox news. I don't even have to waste my time watching fox news (digest) anymore, I just get direct updates from Tom O'

beawolf 8 years, 6 months ago

Tom's past comments: 16 July 2008 - "Obama's numbers simply are not holding up" 21 July 2008 - "And when Obama loses by a landslide in November," 12 August 2008 - "I really don't think Obama, with all his cuteness and smooth talk, will fair well against the other nominees." 22 August 2008 - "Unfortunately, when Obama loses in a little more than two months," 22 August 2008 - "Obamamania is fading fast." 29 August 2008 - "I think Sarah Palin just moved Michelle Obama to the back of the line……WOW!! What a hottie–you go Sarah and good job McCain.The game has just changed!!!"

I was laughing so hard after the last one that I couldn't continue. Anyway, Tom is quite the political prognosticator. Whatever he says, you can take it to the bank.

JHOK32 8 years, 6 months ago

These guys are total morons. The only thing that is even more looney than these guys are the looneys that take them seriously. Looney may not be the right word, SCARY is more correct.

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