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GOP, even liberals, dismiss peace prize

October 10, 2009

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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks June 4 at Cairo University in Cairo, Egypt. Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said.

U.S. President Barack Obama speaks June 4 at Cairo University in Cairo, Egypt. Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said.

— Gee, you’d think a U.S. president who won the Nobel Peace Prize might get rave reviews from his party’s activists and polite congrats from top Republicans.

But news of Barack Obama’s award Friday drew a rebuke from the Republican Party chairman, ridicule from conservative bloggers, and even gripes from some liberals who think he hasn’t done enough to wind down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Top Democrats congratulated Obama, of course, but critics abounded.

“What has President Obama actually accomplished?” said Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee.

“It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights.”

There was praise from two Democrats who also have won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Former President Jimmy Carter, who won in 2002, called Obama’s selection a “bold statement of international support for his vision and commitment.”

Former Vice President Al Gore, who won two years ago, said, “I think that much of what he has accomplished already is going to be far more appreciated in the eyes of history, as it has been by the Nobel committee,” Gore said.

And some Republicans had kind words, too.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Obama’s presidential rival last year, told CNN he could not divine the Nobel committee’s intentions, “but I think part of their decision-making was expectations. And I’m sure the president understands that he now has even more to live up to. But as Americans, we’re proud when our president receives an award of that prestigious category.”

But GOP Rep. Gresham Barrett, who is running for governor of South Carolina, mocked Obama’s prize. “I’m not sure what the international community loved best; his waffling on Afghanistan, pulling defense missiles out of Eastern Europe, turning his back on freedom fighters in Honduras, coddling Castro, siding with Palestinians against Israel, or almost getting tough on Iran,” Barrett said.

Erick Erickson, writing on the conservative RedState.com, suggested Obama won in part because he is black.

“I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news,” Erickson wrote.

The reaction was only slightly warmer on some liberal Web sites, where some writers said Obama should end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan before being awarded such a prize.

Jim White, writing for firedoglake.com, said the president “has stated a desire to end the war in Iraq and to close Guantanamo. So far, however, Obama only has delivered charming rhetoric on these important fronts. His actions, sadly, have tended to reinforce the worst of the Bush policies after giving them a nice rhetorical dusting off.”

Comments

RobertMarble 5 years, 2 months ago

a nobel prize awarded for rhetoric & lack of action. Interesting. even liberals are finding this to be ridiculous.

kugrad 5 years, 2 months ago

Perhaps some of you should go back and review the past recipients of the Nobel prize. Then you would realize the "shock" is a media-manufactured reaction.

Didn't Teddy Roosevelt win a Nobel Peace prize for suggesting diplomacy in the Russo/Japanese conflict? I am not a huge scholar of that time period, but I think the prize was for advocating diplomacy over military action, which would be a clear precedent for this award.

Do you remember Berlin prior to Obama's election? He gave a moving speech on the topic of international peace. He spoke to the Arabs telling them the US was not opposed to Islam. He articulated a vision for peace that has not been heard from the USA in quite a few years. He inspired people around the globe, and HELLO, he got elected president. That in itself is a HUGE achievment for a Black man!

So quit buying the pre-packaged media interpretation of events and think for yourself. Obama talked extensively about peace in his campaign and his trip through Europe. It energized people there and gave them hope, something the USA used to do more often. Now, he has followed through and has opened doors that were closed before, showing he really meant what he said. Negotiations are essential to building peace. The Bush method of issuing demands was a failure, as such methods always fail. Not because Bush was a Republican, but because non-negotiation never produces results, unless you count war.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 2 months ago

"Do you remember Berlin prior to Obama's election?" I seem to remember a President saying "...tear down this wall" in Berlin once upon a time.

mr_right_wing 5 years, 2 months ago

Hey, the guy brought a white cop and a black college professor together....

For a beer.....

At the White House...

Who else could have possibly done that?

Could YOU? No, you couldn't, so quit bad-mouthing Barry!

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Criticize, fine. Dismissing this is stupidly dangerous for the conservative side.

Because the real question has yet to be answered, really has yet to be asked. Rather, it's been shoved out of sight, hiding behind the obvious one that provides the most fitting distraction.

"What did Obama do to earn this?" That's not the right question. That one is very easy to answer: "very little." But it provides a great partisan cover for the real question behind this.

Obama did nothing but present a particular face to the world to "deserve" this award. In much the same way that he did nothing but present a particular face to "deserve" the presidency in the first place.

So, that questions been answered. You can stop asking it now, and try asking the real question.

What did the Republican/Conservative Right do, that they could be so thoroughly defeated by someone who had accomplished so little? That the rest of the world could see such a change solely by removing their symbol of power from office; that they would confer an award as pretty much a slap to the face of the policies and mindset of the previous administration?

That's probably a much more uncomfortable question. The list of possibilities is pretty long. Unilateralism, dangerous levels of machismo in foreign policy, their own version of totally uncontrolled spending, nation-breaking, nation-building, contempt for any and every opposing views, politics of fear, etc. etc.

The problem for them is that too many of those things are still their SOP. Others, like limited government and spending, are worthless since they're not in power, and many will remember that they only hold to them while they're not in power. Now they're faced with the unenviable position that the Dems were facing in 2003-2005, having to frankly bank on America's failure for their own success.

Because if Obama accomplishes Anything, anything at all, even by accident, they're going to lose again. It took 2 tries and a Massive string of failures before NotBush was able to swing the electorate. NotObama is probably not going to hold much sway either, and right now it's all that they seem to have.

denak 5 years, 2 months ago

Erick Erickson..., suggested Obama won in part because he is black. “I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news,” Erickson wrote...."

Well if that is the case then I think the following individuals should give back their Nobel Peace Prize also...

Nelson Mandela...because obviously he got it because he is black. And did Desmond Tutu. And Kofi Annan. All black.

And what about Wangari Maathai (2004) Heck she is both black and a woman. OR Shirin Ebadi,(2003-Iran), or Aung San Suu Kyi (1991, Burma) or Rigobertan Menchu Tum (Guatemala) Of of them women, so obviously they got it because of Affirmative Action.

Or Muhammad Yunnus (Bangladesh, 2006) or Mohamed El Baradei (2005, Egypt) or Kim Dae Jung (South Korea, 2000) THe first two are obviously Muslim so you know they got it because liberals just love Islam. And well the last one, he is Asian...so he must have gotten it because of that.

And Oh Mr. Erickson. don't get me started on how many Jews have been won this award. Obviously a conspriacy to keep the white, "Christian" man down.

I really wonder if this man is embarrassed by what he said.

Dena

Boosh 5 years, 2 months ago

Again, the thing that keeps mental imaging is all the simultaneous "spit takes" yesterday morn :)

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Considering that this editorial is coming from a newspaper editor who twice backed Bush, and still thinks he was a great president, is a complete joke.

Obama has kept us safe beyond Sept. 11 of his first term. Can the last guy in office make that claim?

Erickson is playing the race card. I'm sure that really, really upsets the conservatives around here (although it doesn't appear to bother Dolph?). Well, I guess we will have to wait and see how many conservatives around here condemn him for his comments to know if their dislike of the race card is as selective as it appears to be.

Liberty, I agree that this award is premature, but it says nothing negative about Obama's presidency. Not in any way, shape, or form. Considering the state of the union when he took over, he should be commended for not allowing the nation to fail completely by this point. Easy to criticize, but those offering solutions on how to remove ourselves from the mess he was given? Not too many. Surely you aren't suggesting that the collapsed economy was Obama's fault, are you? Certainly you aren't saying that Obama started the wars we are in now, are you? Perhaps you are saying that the problems of health care in America are Obama's fault as well, or that he is responsible for making the auto industry collapse?

Join the party of "No!" (no ideas, no solutions, no acceptance of responsibility) if you like, but the rest of us are going to support the President in his efforts to do what is best for our nation.

RobertMarble 5 years, 2 months ago

breaking news: Obama just won the Emmy for “Best Press Conference.” And the Academy just gave him an Oscar for a PowerPoint presentation he's going to make about world peace. And evidently he won a pro bowling contest in Milwaukee, a bass fishing contest in Arkansas, a blue ribbon for the biggest squash at the Iowa State Fair, the jackpot in the Megamillions lotto, and a poetry contest in Sheboygan. Also won the Heismann trophy and voted MVP of the next Superbowl, and the Congressiona Medal of Honor for courage under fire in both Vietnam and the Battle of the Alamo. Our Great Leader Comrade Obama is a supergenius who knows all and tirelessly works for the common good of mankind. This is not rigged at all to promote a political position but rather a celebration of Obama's vast accomplishments, which are still in progress but surely will be astounding.

verity 5 years, 2 months ago

Jonas, I had not thought of it in quite that way, but I do believe you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Thank you.

kugrad 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm just pointing out the FACT that Nobel peace prizes have been given for rhetoric in the past. This isn't the first time. But don't let facts get in the way of swallowing the media spin hook line and sinker, after all it would require actually thinking about it for longer than you 10 second attention span. (boris and shewman)

ivalueamerica 5 years, 2 months ago

Why is the GOP so hot to criticize American victories and praise American losses?

They have become the al-quada within.

Jim Phillips 5 years, 2 months ago

We will never know why Biraq was nominated for the award because he was only in office for a few days before the nomination deadline. I personally believe Biraq was awarded the prize due to: a. his constant apologies for the United States' achievements, b. his efforts to take us to the realm of a second class country economically, c. his Marxist policies and attitudes all of which pleases the anti-American Euro-snobs.

Jim Phillips 5 years, 2 months ago

"Defender (Anonymous) says…

My answer is: Because they stopped being conservative. Nothing is conservative about the GOP today, they are nothing but tax and spend liberals with a slightly different agenda, and they despise freedom and the risks it takes to achieve freedom."

Amen to that! That's why we ran the Conservative-in-name-only McCain instead of a viable candidate.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Excellent post 11:35am, jonas_opines. It sums it up pretty darn well!

headdoctor 5 years, 2 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… I think the problem Dolph and so many Americans have with Obama can be explained by reading a famous Ronald Reagan quote: “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.”


I am impressed Tom. Even though you were talking about a Republican, you were able to do the quote correct even though the context of why Reagan said what he said wasn't referring to the all encompassing situations created by the government. It was about Government interference in the markets.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if there's a more intellectually vacuous position to take than to assume that some tens of millions, even hundreds of millions to a billion, of people are all too stupid, vapid, or manipulated to make a rational decision or evaluation.

Style without substance (if assumed true) is still a hell of a lot better than negative or harmful substance. I'd rather have the empty calories of whipped cream than poisened meat.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

Obviously much hope is seen in this administration so now Obama has a heavy load on his back. The Noel prize can be seen as a tool of encouragement.

After the world watched BUSHCO flipping the bird to the rest of the for 8 years anyone coming in trying to establish diplomacy once again is a breath of fresh air.

RiverCityConservative 5 years, 2 months ago

I am so happy this weekend. America receives the Nobel Peace Prize and then the next day our U.S. soccer team qualifies for the 2010 World Cup. These kinds of wonderful achievements usually come in threes--what great feat is next for a resurgent United States of America? Way to go, President Obama! Way to motivate, uplift, and energize the whole country and the whole world! Phooey on the naysayers--Taliban and Republicans, primarily--who keep hoping the U.S. will fail. Keep the faith! Keep it going!

grammaddy 5 years, 2 months ago

When the award was announced, no one said "President Barack Obama" only "Barack Obama". This award was not for what he has done SINCE taking office, but rather for uniting so many different peoples before he was elected.The voting on this issue closed on February 1st, 11 days after the inauguration. Michael Steele and his entire group of Rethugs need to sit down and shut up. Steele wouldn't even have his job if Obama hadn't been elected just as Palin would still be an unknown if it hadn't been for Hillary Clinton.Underneath, those crying conservatives stil want what the left has..some dignity. Jonas, Beatrice, you are my heroes today, for putting into words what my overly full heart is feeling about this. Obama 2012!!

lctchr1 5 years, 2 months ago

Defender is right on. GOP does not equal conservative. Eric Erickson is a dork.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

"Jonas, Beatrice, you are my heroes today, for putting into words what my overly full heart is feeling about this. Obama 2012!!"

It's funny, but that wasn't really what I was feeling at all. He has to do a hell of a lot more than what he's done to get my second vote in 2012. I am content to wait and observe.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 2 months ago

There is nothing wrong with your President being admired by people around the world.

Be proud of it.

Be happy that Americans can inspire hope again.

That can't be bad.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you, logrithmic of the right, for making it twice now confirming my post.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

barry, when you use "Poser," it instantly demonstrates that you aren't to be taken seriously, that you just want to call people silly little names. You may not like Obama, but he is no poser. He was elected by the people. Sorry you hate the American voting system, and all the Americans who demonstrated their rights. You hate others not just like you. We got it. You are nothing more than the political equivalent of the religious views of Fred Phelps, and as such most just ignore you. Why not try taking part in conversation, or do you prefer to stay in the shallow end? Next.

grammaddy, thanks.

puddleglum 5 years, 2 months ago

Another famous Reagan quote: “Tear down this wall!”

you mean another staged soundbite?

Gorbachev had already set the wheels in motion.

it would be no different than if I said "let's elect Obama" back in october of last year. everybody knew it was gonna happen. ('cept tom)

lctchr1 5 years, 2 months ago

Barry, republican's $? Think about who now constitutes the republican party. Uneducated, homophobic, clueless, low-wage, angry people. Get a clue. Old school republicans are looking for a home, looking for a new party to be a part of. Old school republicans have the $.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 2 months ago

Obama may be a bigger joke than the peace prize. One term and out!

headdoctor 5 years, 2 months ago

lctchr1 (Anonymous) says… Barry, republican's $? Think about who now constitutes the republican party. Uneducated, homophobic, clueless, low-wage, angry people. Get a clue. Old school republicans are looking for a home, looking for a new party to be a part of. Old school republicans have the $.


Oh my God, there is actually someone else on this board that may really have a clue. These so called conservative modern day Republicans are real close to driving me to never vote for another Republican as long as I live even if they might be the best person for the job.

The Modern day Republicans have complained about the cry baby Democrats but it appears to me that the Republicans have became far worse and in many cases out right dangerous with their actions than any Democrat ever was.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 2 months ago

I like the fact that a President of the United Staes gets a Nobel Peace Prize, if they have done something, like President Bush 43 should have got one for putting Saddam in a box and saving a country. Those sort of things, and most coffee and party talk I have heard is this is ridiculous. Here is a website of other Nobel Prize recipients:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/

for those who trumpet the "Teddy Roosevelt" action, he at least participated in several PEace Treaties and coordinated, President Obama has not done that yet, he may. Jimmy Carter, Koffi Annan, and Yassar Arafat should not have gotten PEace PRizes. Albert Gore at leaset did something whether we agree with it or not and thereby deserves what the Panel does confer upon him

However if you read the list, it is clearly political, and notice the United States Armed Forces has never goten a Nobel Peace Prize, after their airlifting into the Tsunami area, and the number of fires they have put out in all parts of the world.

How about some form of recognition to the troops of the United States for freeing all those women in Afgahnistan and those 16 million people in Iraq?

How about that?

headdoctor 5 years, 2 months ago

Ictchr1 (Anonymous) says… Think about who now constitutes the republican party. Uneducated, homophobic, clueless, low-wage, angry people.


Yes, and this group of people seem to think that mindlessly following the modern Republican party is going to be the fix all for them and this country. Most of those Republicans in Washington are not going to do squat for them and they will be no better off in the long run than what they think how most Democrats exist now. They whine and whine about Socialism and yet they embrace some of the biggest Socialist programs that were ever created. I can't even figure out how to classify the new Republicans. They want you to think they are conservative, they really are not true NeoCons. They seem to like the idea of Socialism as long as it is just for their benefit and they are blended in with the religious right which in many cases are neither religious or right. They can't even tell the real difference between a political system and a monetary system. It wouldn't be a very catchy name for their party but they are really just a bunch of confused spoiled brats. I guess we could spiff it up a bit and refer to them as the "CSB Party". No wait, isn't that exactly what they perceive the Liberals to be?

headdoctor 5 years, 2 months ago

After talking with a friend of mine it has been decided that modern Republicans are resurrecting a very old party from the 1850's and is a much better name for them than anything made up. The platform seems to be fitting too. The "Know Nothing Party" otherwise known as the "American party".

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/320530/Know-Nothing-party

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_Platform_1856

lctchr1 5 years, 2 months ago

Headdoctor, you and I are in total agreement.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm sorry, but did Asbestos really just say that President Bush should have gotten the Peace Prize for invading a nation that didn't attack us and putting us into a non-ending war?!?

Maybe he was just trying to prove Ictchr1 and headdoctor's point. Modern day Republicans are a disgrace to true conservatives.

Now, for Ictchr1 and hd, do you think the Libertarian's are possibly the home for fiscally conservative, smaller government type Republicans since the take-over of your party by social neocons? I don't see the neocon Palin types leaving any time soon, and maybe the Libertarians can use a bit more rational thought in their party to make them a national force. We need a conservative voice in our government for balance, just not the one we have had for the past 20 years. Goldwater wouldn't recognize his party today.

Tom, Obama is good at the staged talk, I'll agree, but nobody can top Bush's landing on an aircraft carrier with his man package all pushed front and center in his flight suit as he stood in front of a sign that read "Mission Accomplished." Now that was a photo-op to beat all photo-ops! Too bad it came back to bite him in the butt, but you couldn't argue with the power of that photo-op at the time it was taken.

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

"Bush revealed the name of one of his own secret agents to the world,"

No, he didn't, and no, she wasn't.

headdoctor 5 years, 2 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says… Now, for Ictchr1 and hd, do you think the Libertarian's are possibly the home for fiscally conservative, smaller government type Republicans since the take-over of your party by social neocons? I don't see the neocon Palin types leaving any time soon, and maybe the Libertarians can use a bit more rational thought in their party to make them a national force. We need a conservative voice in our government for balance, just not the one we have had for the past 20 years.


I am not sure if there is a home for the old style Conservatives. I don't believe there is enough of them left to push out the NeoCon/Palin/what ever they are types to retake the Republican party. The modern Libertarians are even more delusional and much of the basis for a Libertarian platform is about as functional and realistic as being a Birch follower. I really don't even believe that an old style Republican could even get the support of either the modern Republican party or the Libertarian party. Starting a new party is a very interesting concept but with most people not wanting to pull away from the two party system it would sure be an uphill battle. Perhaps Palin had the right idea it is just that she and others like her are not the ones to pull it off unless they could gather up the what ever they ares and start their own party leaving a shell of a party behind for the true Republicans.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 2 months ago

"Asbestos really just say that President Bush should have gotten the Peace Prize for invading a nation that didn't attack us and putting us into a non-ending war?!?"

Yes, Presidnet George Bush, 41, I made a type, go figure.. Remember, we saved Kuwait under United Nations Resolutions. BTW, the United Nations Peacekeeping Force got a Nobel Prize as well.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Asbestos, thanks for clearing that up. I really did think you were talking about 43, which really seemed over the top. I can appreciate where you are coming from now.

lctchr1 5 years, 2 months ago

Bea--I am a fiscally conservative and socially agnostic/liberal. I find my beliefs correlating most closely to libertarians, however, many of their ideas are just way too unrealistic in our society. Unless a presidential candidate in 2012 runs on "term limits and campaign finance reform", my vote will be written in for just that, "term limits and campaign finance reform". I truly believe our government is not of the people and for the people. Both republicans and democrats are corrupt. The government is corrupt.

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 2 months ago

Obama has done very little, certainly not enough to deserve the Nobel Prize.

Why was it awarded to him? Remember, the Nobel Prize must be awarded to persons, to individuals.

I think that Obama receiving the prize was symbolic for the American people and American democracy winning the prize.

We are a great nation and democracy indeed when the people can vote to change leadership when they see the country headed in the wrong direction. This is what the Nobel Prize was for. Obama symbolically received it for American democracy.

We must remember that peaceful, democratic change of power is rare in the world. Consider the Irans, Chinas, Cubas, Rwandas, Liberias, etc. of the world. A Nobel Prize recognizing American democracy is deserved, and Obama the individual received it.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

barrypenders is on the side of Hugo Chavez. Nice.

staff04 5 years, 2 months ago

"Yes, Presidnet George Bush, 41, I made a type, go figure"

You didn't make a typo, you lied to try to cover up the fact that your stupidity got called. Remember, you praised "putting Saddam in a box."

Oh, right...you meant figuratively, right?

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Reflecting on the past is apparently all you got left, Tom. Your beloved GOP is now a minor party just waiting to be replaced. Basically, it is the NHL of political parties. It used to be a big deal back in its day, but now? Not so much. Only thing potent about the GOP now are Bob Dole's little blue pills. So happy memory tripping to ya.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 2 months ago

Staff '04 wrote:

"Remember, you praised “putting Saddam in a box.”"

No that was what the strategy of the Pre 2001 Iraq containment, with the "no Fly Zone". That was called by almost everybody with at least half a brain, "Saddam in the box". And was also used as "Saddam in the box" containment by those that opposed the Iraq war. Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121504452359324921.html Asia Times http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE15Ak06.html CATO institute http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb107/hb107-48.pdf

That is the "Saddam in the Box" Strategy.

Sorry if I went over your idealogical head a bit.

My Bad.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 2 months ago

From the Cato Insitiute report:

"After nearly a decade of heated rhetoric condemning Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, it became clear that Washington could not fulfill its stated policy of **‘‘ keeping Saddam in the box’’*** at a cost acceptable to policymakers. So the Clinton administration quietly abandoned that policy, but it failed to recalibrate its rhetoric. Exposure of such a discrepancy does tremendous harm to U.S. credibility. The weaker U.S. credibility becomes, the more likely it is that Saddam and other adversaries will test U.S. credibility in the future— perhaps by military means.""

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