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SLT expected to rank high on project funding list

October 7, 2009

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SLT needs funds to move forward

The Kansas Department of Transportation could seek money for the South Lawrence Trafficway as part of a statewide construction and maintenance funding plan. Enlarge video

It soon will be competition time for the South Lawrence Trafficway, city and county leaders were told Tuesday afternoon.

Engineers with the Kansas Department of Transportation told city and county commissioners that the state has begun its process of ranking projects throughout the state to determine which ones would be funded as part of a new statewide comprehensive transportation program. The department plans to list a tentative ranking of the projects in the northeast Kansas area Thursday.

“It is the first cut, basically,” said Corky Armstrong, engineering manager for KDOT’s road office. “I would speculate that this project is going to rank fairly high in this entire process, but that’s about as far as I can go.”

But commissioners were told that it is not certain the Kansas Legislature will approve a new comprehensive transportation plan. Commissioners also were told that it would take KDOT upward of three years to complete design work for the project.

The department is estimating that to complete the eastern leg of the trafficway — which would connect U.S. Highway 59 in south Lawrence to Kansas Highway 10 east of Lawrence — will require about $150 million in new funding.

But some commissioners said they believed the project will be looked upon favorably.

“I think at this point it is really that everything around it is really forcing the issue,” said Mayor Rob Chestnut. “When you look at the widening of Highway 59, and you look at the intermodal project in Gardner, it is the one stretch of road now that really is the missing link.”

Commissioners also were briefly updated on a federal lawsuit that has been filed over the project. Individuals concerned about protecting the Baker Wetlands from the road have filed a suit claiming roadway officials did not properly study other alternative routes for the project. Attorneys for the state have recently filed several motions seeking to dismiss portions of the lawsuit. No timeline for when a ruling on whether parts of the case will be dismissed have been announced. KDOT expects a portion of the case to continue on, Armstrong said.

In other news from the study session, KDOT engineers said work to expand U.S. 59 to four lanes is on schedule. The bulk of the expansion in Douglas County is expected to be completed by the spring of 2012. The state then will make pavement improvements to the existing U.S. 59 in 2013 before it’s turned back over to the county for maintenance.

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lounger 4 years, 6 months ago

Sad comments by sad people! LEAVE THE WETLANDS ALONE YOU MONGRELS!!!

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Patrick Freeland 4 years, 6 months ago

I wouldn't mind an SLT being built, so long as it was the 42nd street option south of the Wakarusa River. Prairie-Band Pottowatamie Contractors developed an even cheaper south-of-the-river alternative to the 32b option over a decade ago, costs were roughly $92 million. Now another $100 million or so is being tacked onto the proposal that, last I checked was $144 million. And it won't stop there.

The truth is, there are people buried in the wetlands; children of tribes all across the US, tribes which at one-point were so-called "enemies of progress." The wetlands has a value to Haskell, and whether realized or not, the entirety of Lawrence. The "new wetlands" are simply wetlands in the most basic of forms, hydric soil, and a couple of sedges and cattails. However, these mitigation efforts cannot, and will not effectively replace what exists now. It's like saying, "it's okay if you cut out our kidneys, cause we'll get two new ones in a few years from now."

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blue73harley 4 years, 6 months ago

Another idiotic post by someone who never uses 31st. How about following a few grain trucks dummy?

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

"No trucks actually ever go south."

If a truck is coming from KC why in the world wouldn't it take I-35 if it is going south?

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

If the traffic bothers you so much in Lawrence hop on the bus. You will take one more car off the road and let the professionals deal with the traffic. As of yet I can't see any reason for frontage roads and all that other gee wiz stuff. Sounds like you drive like you are always on a highway and should never have to slow down since it is so distracting while trying to text.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

You boys haven't seen truck traffic like you will when 59 is finished, don't you know, Chestnuts and his puppetmasters want to build a giant truckstop that will provide high paying jobs for all in Lawrence. If a trucker and trucking company is trying to go somewhere quick why would they go through all that horrible congestion you boys claim? How can we claim to have horrible traffic issues on 23rd if there are trucks using the road in order to get somewhere quicker than taking the interstate?

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blue73harley 4 years, 6 months ago

thebcman - don't you know that ALL trucks entering Lawrence use I70? Trucks don't actually use K10 according to those that oppose the SLT. Those few that do use K10 could easily use Clown Prince Merrill's dreamy I70 connectors. No trucks actually ever go south.

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thebcman 4 years, 6 months ago

I do believe the completed SLT will reduce truck traffic on 23rd, which should help congestion a bit. It would also help if we removed about two thirds of the curb cuts on 23rd and built frontage roads on each side to access the businesses.

Of course if we had unlimited funds, we could just build a flyover ala Kellogg in Wichita and make it 55 mph from Harper to Wakarusa.

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altarego 4 years, 6 months ago

This is great news for the new Hooters out on the SLT!

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remember_username 4 years, 6 months ago

As I recall many of the complaints regarding the 32st alignment originated with the Haskell community. So I thought I'd add something I thought interesting.

From Sen. Sam Brownback on the Native American Apology Resolution passed in the Senate today -

“The Senate’s action today is a big step for the relationship between the federal government and Native Americans,” said Brownback. “The resolution seeks reconciliation and offers an official apology to Native Americans for the hurtful choices the federal government made in the past. With this resolution we acknowledge previous failures and express sincere regrets.” (El Dorado Times)

And from Sen Sam Brownback in Nov. 7th 2007 -

"We are pleased the Federal Highway Administration agreed with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers decision that the 32nd street route is the only feasible and prudent option for the South Lawrence Trafficway (SLT)." (US Fed News Service)

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guy 4 years, 6 months ago

SLT is obsolete but a pet Porkproject for certain landowners. therefore it continues despite little real support. and no common sense.

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GmaD321 4 years, 6 months ago

They have been trying to build this thing for YEARS! It will never go thru as the lawsuits, if not won will at least keep it stalled out. They should have known about the opposition before they built the first part of it. The 'Powers that Be' in Lawrence thought they could bully their way thru and get it done. That's not gonna happen. I would love to see it go thru as it would make my personal driving to and from work a whole lot easier but I just don't see it happening.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

TheGreatSantini (Anonymous) says… Well Jack maybe one day you will be king and design society as you see fit.'"

You know it is funny, I thought you were a conservative type but it seems you believe it is all about someone being in power and doing their will. I'm actually for less government that is involved in economic development issues. The government power should not be used to decide the winners and losers.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

"mr_right_wing (Anonymous) says… Do it! If environmental nut-cases decide to make a human chain to prevent work from starting; bulldoze them! We'll set up a little flower memorial for 'em later. I guess we could also erect a little memorial for the loss of a mosquito breeding ground. Get outta the way tree-huggers, here comes progress!"

Wouldn't expect anything less from the type that send kids to fight and die for oil so you can drive everywhere and then fly them back in the cargo hold of commercial airlines and put the little yellow ribbon on the suv to show you are doing your part. Pathetic. Mosquito breeding ground as opposed to a natural filtering system that can keep reservoirs from silting in and red tides in the gulf. Go ahead, keep living like the arrogant American who can walk all over everyone and thing so you can save 10 minutes. Conservatives use to hold to higher values but that has all changed. As long as the socialization is for mr right wing it is ok. Oh well, when the dollar is dropped and peak oil kicks in you'll have to deal with your own stupidity.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Well Jack maybe one day you will be king and design society as you see fit.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

"TheGreatSantini (Anonymous) says… People live in suburbia as a result of free consumer choice, I am sorry it offends you artist sensibilities."

Ah yes, more of the brain dead belief that the burbs exist strictly because of free market forces. How do people get to those homes? Where do they get their water? Where does their sewage go? It is bogus to say the housing today is like it was in the past when an individual built their home rather than developers working behind the scenes to have the city socialize the big expenses that we all get to pay and privative the profits that come from building houses in bulk on cheap farm land. If the real costs hadn't been socialize the real cost of living there would be much more significant and people would be less inclined to move there.

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mr_right_wing 4 years, 6 months ago

Do it! If environmental nut-cases decide to make a human chain to prevent work from starting; bulldoze them! We'll set up a little flower memorial for 'em later. I guess we could also erect a little memorial for the loss of a mosquito breeding ground. Get outta the way tree-huggers, here comes progress!

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

Seriously, can you look out the back of your burbite home into the endless dismal yards of cheap oversized homes with crap decks for the grill and the concrete slab for those few times they venture outside, the people less yards and occasionally a kid playing basketball with no location for people to congregate and say that a person is really happy with that? Do people really like the most significant part of the front of their house to be the garage? Is that really the best we can do when the homes built and the neighbors created a hundred years ago stand head and shoulders over what we build today? I'll guarantee that the old neighborhoods will maintain and increase in value as those mcmansions slowly rot away. There is no doubt why people in those area need a vacation, if they could only understand what makes many of those destinations desirable.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

People live in suburbia as a result of free consumer choice, I am sorry it offends you artist sensibilities.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

I was following your insane logic that because people like to vacation in certain places they would also like to live there. Maybe people are happy with where and how they choose to live but occasionally want to vacation.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

TheGreatSantini (Anonymous) says… "Sounds like you want to live at a tourist destination,"

Yep, I knew this was going to be difficult. You can't live some place that is nice, walkable, beautiful, and enjoyable because the burbites must think that is some kind of communist conspiracy. Only places that are suppose to be nice need to be provide by corporations with good marketing and cute mice characters. There is no point in discussing anymore because I think America has been brainwashed by tv and unable to connect the dots. So sad really when you consider all the resources we squander for crap that could be used for something much nicer.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

marieann imagine how much you'd shave off if you actually lived in Lenexa. But don't let your own stupidity of living on the west side of Lawrence and working in Lenexa get in the way. The conservative, bought by developers, politicians will be sure to as long as you use a car to get it done.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like you want to live at a tourist destination, Orlando is nice. People from Europe vacation there so it must be a better place to live than there smart planned countries.

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marieann 4 years, 6 months ago

Hurray! I don't know what is taking so long to finish this road. I am sure that it will shave a good 10 minutes off my commute to Lenexa!

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TrooGrit 4 years, 6 months ago

Starting the contribution fund for JackRipper to move to Oskaloosa fund (and any of the other granola bars who want to stay mired in the "keep Lawrence small" contigent!)

Moot point, it's going to get built this time.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

Pilgrim sounds like you just got off the Mayflower. Let's see, how has Lawrence been moving forward? Building houses for people who don't have jobs here? Building luxury hotels? More apartments? Yeah I think I'd rather take Oskaloosa but considering Oskaloosa never had a state university which is the center of Lawrence activity I'm not sure why you are using it for a comparison. Desperate?

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 6 months ago

estespark (Anonymous) says…

So Merrill's solution to not building a new road is to build a new road?


Remember, folks, any traffic engineering ideas Richard puts forth come from the same guy who, while serving on the city's traffic safety commission, publicly stated that pothole-riddled streets are a GOOD thing because they discourage traffic.

'Nuf said.

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 6 months ago

merrill (Anonymous) says…

The most logical and fiscally responsible choice:

The new I-70 connectors off K-10 by Leavenworth, I-70 and the west leg of K-10 should all be toll roads and these together provide a loop around Lawrence thus eliminating any need for further construction of new pork barrel highway projects.


Richard, your precious I-70 connectors died a swift and justifiable death decades ago, and they ain't coming back. What part of D-E-A-D do you not understand?

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 6 months ago

madameX (Anonymous) says…

Well, I'd rather keep Lawrence more or less the way it is...


A common misconception that there is an economic "status quo." Nope. If you're not moving forward (growing), you're going backwards (see: Oskaloosa, et al).

I'll take the former, thank you.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

"I will stay here and save up for my McMansion and a vacation to Nice. "

Like I said, you have to escape your own dismal creation. You think it would be obvious, do you see people coming from other places in this country let alone the world to visit west Lawrence? Thankfully there were smart people who protected the downtown in the past that left Lawrence a place to go for an evening, spending that money everyone seems to live for right here.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

not only that quimby, the bypass will only encourage more driving. The saving the environment by building the bypass is a bizarre argument.

"Don't you realize “smart growth” is what killed this town?"

That comment is right up there in the stupidity category as the environment is saved by more traffic arguement. What killed this town is the same thing that killed the economy in the entire country that came from housing! Do you people ever get out? Lawrence never had the jobs that everybody thinks it should have now so encouraging people to live in a bedroom community is what killed this town now that the gig is up.

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quimby 4 years, 6 months ago

bankboy - no, i'm not "completely incorrect" about my assessment of the environmental harms of the portion of the SLT that been constructed. you say the excess time, gas, and pollution occurring b/c of a "congested" 23rd will be solved with the SLT? well, last time i checked "time" isn't an environmental concern. and, also last time i checked, gas will still be expended when cars/trucks use the SLT, which will lead to increased air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. not to mention the impacts to the established wetland ecosystem.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Well you can immigrate to Europe, I hear the suburbs of Paris are quite nice. I will stay here and save up for my McMansion and a vacation to Nice.

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BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

Don't you realize "smart growth" is what killed this town? Quite frankly I want a backyard and I want to live in a house, not some congested apartment/condo complex that taxes our infrastructure on a much larger scale that is more likely to have higher crime and fire incidents - let alone some pandemic infesting possibilities.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

Yes, America needs to live like gluttons, don't want to live with less but gosh darn it, that will be changing in the near future. When the dollar is no longer the currency of choice for oil and just the peak oil facts come to roost Americans will be wishing they weren't livin large.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

And TheGreatSantini, I suppose those crazy liberal Europeans still hold more firmly to conservative principles then your typical republican today, see they have higher expectations from someone borrowing money for a house and they live in their houses, it wasn't just an other get rich scheme. I can see how that is undesirable to the typical American now days. Ohh yuckie, responsibility.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

People vacation in Jamaica, doesn’t mean they wan to live in a tin roof shack. I have vacationed in Europe but I don’t want to live like a European. A vacation does not give you proper insight into the daily lives of the people.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, it must be tough over there living with a higher standard of living then we have. Why do so many mcmansioners vacation in places that use smart growth principles? Just hard to connect dots I guess. Enough that 10x10 concrete slab in the backyard in the barren wastelands of suburbia.

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BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

26 September 2009 at 4:26 a.m. merrill (Anonymous) says…

"Hey instead of toilet paper why not encourage residential toilets with a douche. Then dry the butt with a towel. This would also prevent or reduce irritation.

A douche is a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons.

This would reduce the need for toilet paper quite substantially.”

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

I’ll take a McMansion over typical European housing any day, not to mention most in Europe will never afford a house of their own.

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

As a great mind said, Americans build their suburbian lifes that are so intolerable they have to take vacations to places like Europe where smart growth ideas are used. Is there anything more pathetic than the backyard of a typical suburban home with its pathetic concrete pad, decrepit second story deck, perfect green lawn that no one uses? When will we discover we could build the same kind of cities in Europe or out old towns with character and sense of place if we stopped listening to the puppets with their one note tunes and little substance about job growth.

What we need in this city is a list of all the people who work on any of these projects, the Oread Inn, major apartment complexes, etc and see how many are from Lawrence. Is there a reason no one wants to look at the basic facts about all these jobs? As Americans can we really continue to follow the path of ignorance?

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JackRipper 4 years, 6 months ago

Need the trafficway built so all the people from kc can get to west Lawrence where they go spend..... oh wait, that's right, they go downtown. Lawrence, as the Hereford House discovered, people can enjoy their favorite strip mall in kc, no reason to come to Lawrence for a strip mall experience. It is the downtown that was saved long ago by the same people against the trafficway that has given people any reason to come spend money in Lawrence. And imagine this, they do it by driving on small normal size roads to get there, just like what smart growth suggests.

Sounds like Chestnuts let the cat out of the bag, 59 had nothing to do with making traffic safer for the citizens but to encourage truck traffic which makes the roads more dangerous. Who knew that along with strip malls, cardboard mcmansions that Lawrence was so eager for a truck stop. These guys are business wonders and working to create high paying jobs as warehouse workers but most importantly, keeping their developer dollars coming for the next political election.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

kcwarpony,

Looks like it. Thanks!

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estespark 4 years, 6 months ago

So Merrill's solution to not building a new road is to build a new road?

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

consumer1,

Apology accepted, and glad you were joking too, cause I live in East Lawrence and I suspect my house is considerably more comfortable to live in than a parking lot ;)

Agreed that the town won't stay the same, that's kind of a function of life, but I chose to live here because I like the overall fabric of the community and I don't think it's necessary to sacrifice it in order to grow. You probably don't think so either, so i guess we're in agreement on that too.

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lounger 4 years, 6 months ago

Im NOT granola I just think its a bad Idea!! Leave room for the animals and plants. So please just go sit in your wal-mart parking lots to get your fill of concrete (or asphalt, or whatever they make roads from these days). Cheers!

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The_Original_Bob 4 years, 6 months ago

I blew my "What time and how long will Merrill's post be" pick today.

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KS 4 years, 6 months ago

merrill - What did you say?

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 6 months ago

The most logical and fiscally responsible choice:

The new I-70 connectors off K-10 by Leavenworth, I-70 and the west leg of K-10 should all be toll roads and these together provide a loop around Lawrence thus eliminating any need for further construction of new pork barrel highway projects. Thus saving about $150,000,000(million) for us local taxpayers.

It also services: • Johnson and Douglas county traffic going to northwest Lawrence or Topeka. Or Lawrence and Topeka traffic going to JOCO. • the Eudora Business Park east of 1057. • East Hills Business Park and the southeast Lawrence industrial park. • the Lawrence airport. And it: • diverts traffic around the city. • keeps the SLT out of the wetlands. • reduces congestion for morning and afternoon commuters. • Douglas County taxpayers save millions upon millions of dollars. • Eliminates use of tax dollars. • Eliminates the need for an eastern bypass * Would not dump fast moving traffic off uncomfortably close to the congested city limits on to the K-10 speedway • allows KTA fees to pay for the highway and maintenance

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 6 months ago

NOT sensible growth = Higher Taxes

NOT sensible growth has been rightly blamed for many things: destroying green space, increasing air and water pollution, fracturing our neighborhoods and forcing us to drive gridlocked roads for every chore. But there is one consequence that usually goes unmentioned NOT sensible growth is draining our pocketbooks and raising our taxes.

NOT sensible growth is the result of over five decades of subsidies paid for by the American taxpayer. These range from the obvious to the obscure and include big projects-like the billions we spend on new roads as well as smaller ones-like the tax-breaks that encourage businesses to move to the edge of town. We've subsidized NOT sensible growth at such a basic level for so long, that many people believe the status quo is actually fair and neutral. This is false-what we think of as a level playing field is tilted steeply in favor of NOT sensible development.

How we subsidize:

* building new and wider roads
* building schools on the fringe
* extending sewer and water lines to sprawling development
* extending emergency services to the fringe
* direct pay-outs to developers

How do we subsidize NOT sensible growth? Through an array of state, local and federal programs and through incentives built into the development process itself. The biggest federal contribution to NOT sensible growth is the billions of dollars spent on building new roads. Over the past 50 years, we have built almost 4 million miles of highways.

This massive network of roads has done more than speed us from point A to point B - it has reshaped the landscape by opening up rural areas to suburban NOT sensible growth and it has reshaped our society by making the car king. Travel by car has become not just another option-in too many places, it has become the only option.

For years we have subsidized construction in flood plains while making it far too easy to destroy critical wetlands. This encourages the destruction of open spaces and adds to the pressure not sensible growth.

Not sensible subsidies are also built into the development process itself. Most new, sprawling development costs more to build and service than the taxes or fees it generates. When a new residential or commercial development is built outside of an existing community, roads, sewer systems and water lines have to be built.

As the development expands, it requires schools and emergency services. Where does the money for all this come from? In most cases, neither the developers nor the NEW residents pay their full, fair share - it is the rest of us who make up the difference.

The bottom line is that NOT sensible development is costing taxpayers too money.

Eastside and/or older neighborhoods are subsidizing NOT sensible growth to our own demise and the demise of downtown

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puddleglum 4 years, 6 months ago

the great invictus-i mean santini... how come you got booted?

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notyourmom 4 years, 6 months ago

Thank goodness we are not like Overland Park!! What with their smooth roads, job opportunities and lack of homeless people.

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

MadameX. Ooops. no of course not, paving over east Larry. Sorry, Sometimes my own panties get in a twist. I should read more carefully. will you please accept my apologies? Con1 And believe it or not, I really don't want Lawrence to become OP either, I just know it cannot remain the same. It will either grow or die. Thank you for setting me straight.

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whynaut 4 years, 6 months ago

I just hope they clean up that stagnant swamp in the process. What an eyesore! Sorry, but a 75mph speed limit is too slow to blur out that environmental abomination. Clean it up and evict the disease-ridden nuisances that inhabit it.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

PapaB,

that wasn't necessarily supposed to be an anti-SLT comment (more resarch of the issue pending) it was just supposed to be an anti-let's-become-all-homogenized-and boring comment, in response to the one above it.

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PapaB 4 years, 6 months ago

madameX (Anonymous) says… "Well, I'd rather keep Lawrence more or less the way it is so I don't have to live in an Overland Park, so I guess we're at odds."

Sorry, when a city outgrows the roads, traffic becomes what we now have on 23rd every day, especially from 4-7pm. Your "laid-back" town isn't laid-back anymore and the SLT will give people an option to get around town, significantly easing the traffic on 23rd and protecting the small-town feel of Lawrence.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

consumer1, Eight, and it was a joke/observation (in response to what I thought was supposed to be a sarcastic semi-joke) rather than an attempt to tell you what to do. I'll refrain from a "typical whatever, no sense of humor" jab, though. Although you're not really one to talk about telling people what to do, if you really were serious about paving over the whole of East Lawrence.

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whynaut 4 years, 6 months ago

Yay! SLT! Finally, struggling South Lawrence businesses can get the shot in the arm they've been needing for so many years.

Easing the journey of W. Lawrence consumers on their way to Target, Wal-Mart, Old Navy, Bed Bath and Beyond, Kohls, Home Depot, Best Buy, etc., will be like economic lubricant for that part of town and should be a top priority.

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

MadameX, says, "consumer1, maybe you should just move to Overland Park and be done with it. It seems like you'd be a lot happier there…". Typical liberal rhetoric, Trying to tell me where I should live and what would make me happy. Actually Mandame, I have lived here 45 years, how long have you lived here?

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MyName 4 years, 6 months ago

@TheGreatSantini:

Okay, setting aside the problem that Lawrence is where people from Overland Park go to get away from Overland Park (or at least away from their parents in OP), I think the really huge mind boggler is this: HTH do you think Topeka is going to somehow turn into the "new" Lawrence? Have you been to Topeka?

And I'm not talking about the edge of town. I'm talking HWY 40 -> through scenic E. Topeka -> all around central -> then take a quick tour of N. Topeka before heading back home down HWY 24.

There is no way you can make Topeka into the "new" Lawrence with out moving all of E. and Central down to KCK and all of N. Topeka down to Junc City or Manhattan. Oh, and you'd also need to build at least 2 more malls and then evacuate one of them and turn it into a giant empty hardware store. Topeka has like 3 times the people and half the personality of Lawrence.

That is all.

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BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

Enough already. Why not sue the people that keep bringing lawsuits? Let the people's will be done. We voted for the bypass over 15 years or so ago (a public vote that was brought upon by the anti-SLT people in another court case to force a public vote) and the majority voted to allow the bypass.

The bypass will do more positive things for our local economic development than anything else Lawrence can do. The opposition are mainly a small group of outsiders that moved in and want to keep Lawrence exactly the way it was when they moved here. The majority of Lawrence residents want the bypass. Sue the suers. Enough is enough.

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bankboy119 4 years, 6 months ago

quimby,

Completely incorrect. The wasting of time, gas, and excess pollution that occurs because of the ridiculous congestion on 23rd Street will be reduced by the SLT

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Ralph Reed 4 years, 6 months ago

Santini, I agree with madameX in part. I would rather keep Lawrence the way it is, than turn it into OP (don't have the correct religious radicalism to live there anyway).

It's been stated here months/years ago that the SLT will do nothing to alleviate traffic on 23rd Street. Who, in their right mind, while living near Kasold would drive miles out of their way to "bypass" the traffic on 23rd street?

I have no doubt that the SLT will be built, especially with the continued developmental sprawl. A case in point is the gated community at 31st and Ousdahl (sp?) pandering to students. All their traffic goes up Louisianna. The SLT will do absolutely nothing to alleviate that. Yet, it's still going to be built.

Typical example of PPP (P*** Poor Planning) in Douglas County.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

LOL, I guess Salina would have to be the new Topeka then? Westward ho!

Seriously though, some of us like a laid-back life in a place where there's not a neighborhood association breathing down your neck to cut the grass every third day and telling you what kind of siding you can put on your house, as well as having somewhere to go other than the mall.

And speaking of the mall, have you ever been in at Oak Park and encountered a woman who basically bathed in perfume? Or a man, for that matter? Not necessarily nice smelling...

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Think about it, good jobs, opportunity, and good looking/nice smelling people. I can’t wait for the Johnson Couty-ization of Lawrence. Topeka will have to be the new Lawrence.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

Well, I'd rather keep Lawrence more or less the way it is so I don't have to live in an Overland Park, so I guess we're at odds.

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Tell that to the folks who live around 23rd street who breathe in car exhaust all day.

I would rather turn Lawrence into an overland park than move.

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

consumer1, maybe you should just move to Overland Park and be done with it. It seems like you'd be a lot happier there...

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quimby 4 years, 6 months ago

ha ha consumer1.

thegreatsantini - in no way is this road an effort of sustainability, nor is it in any way good for the environment, so don't try to pose it as such.

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blue73harley 4 years, 6 months ago

I would like to hear more about details of the progress of the lawsuit.

In the meantime...

Build it.

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

If there is any concrete left over, can we turn E Lawrence into a parking lot?

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madameX 4 years, 6 months ago

LJ World Editors:

Perhaps now would be a good time to publish something laying out the proposed route and proposed alternatives, for those of us who care about this issue but don't actually know what they are. (I'm sure someone else's reply will be "learn to use google," so I'll go ahead and say that I have, but I'd like to see something a little more official than a google search, if it's out there.)

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ferrislives 4 years, 6 months ago

Very good news. It's a'comin'! LogicMan, I absolutely agree. That project would have a good chance of qualifying once the lawsuit is settled. Once the new wetlands is completed, the other side won't have much of an argument anymore, since they don't own those "wetlands".

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TheGreatSantini 4 years, 6 months ago

Good news for the environment, public safety, and the economy. Bad news for dizzy elitist liberals in Lawrence.

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

It is time again for the local granolas to get their panties in a twist. around 10 am they will wake up drink their Latte's and exclaim, "Oh.. Ma Gawd ! Penelope have you read the news!! Call a meeting we must rally our superior intelects to band together and put an end to progress"!! " Hey dahling it's chilly out today, do you know where my designer sheeps wool winter burks are"???

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LogicMan 4 years, 6 months ago

Go for some of those Federal stimulus funds now for only the SLT interchange to the existing K-10. It could be built now ("shovel ready"/fast-tracked).

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