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Markieff Morris involved in non-injury accident driving teammate’s car

Kansas forward Markieff Morris sits for questions in the Jayhawks' locker room Saturday March 21, 2009 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis.

Kansas forward Markieff Morris sits for questions in the Jayhawks' locker room Saturday March 21, 2009 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis.

October 7, 2009, 5:51 p.m. Updated October 8, 2009, 12:00 a.m.


According to a Lawrence Police accident report, Kansas University sophomore basketball player Markieff Morris was involved in a two-vehicle accident last month while driving a Chevrolet Tahoe registered to former KU basketball player Scot Pollard.

Both Pollard and KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said Wednesday that Pollard in fact did not own the vehicle driven by Morris.

“It was not Scot Pollard’s car. It used to be Scot’s car. Tyshawn Taylor bought it from him,” Marchiony said.

“He (Taylor) lent it to Markieff. Compliance has documented the sale. The car belongs to Tyshawn. Compliance approved it. Everything is legal. It is not a compliance issue,” Marchiony added.

Pollard told the Journal-World he sold the car to Taylor before the start of first semester classes last summer.

“I sold the car to the kid. It was in August before school started,” Pollard said. “He paid me the money. I gave him the title. It was signed. I heard about the wreck today. I don’t know what happened to the car after he bought it.”

The accident occurred at 1:14 a.m. Sept. 13 near the intersection of Tennessee and 17th streets. Morris was driving southbound on Tennessee when he struck a Pontiac Grand Am while changing lanes.

No one was reported injured. Alcohol did not play a role in the accident.

The accident report listed the 1997 Tahoe as registered to Pollard, who recently moved back to Lawrence after a decade playing in the NBA.

If Morris actually was driving a car owned by Pollard, that might constitute an extra benefit in the NCAA’s eyes.

“This was a totally legitimate sale,” Pollard told the Journal-World. “There’s nothing to it. I sold it to Tyshawn for a fair (Blue Book) price. He reported it to compliance (so they could make sure it was a fair price).”

It’s possible Taylor may not have yet registered the vehicle in his own name following the transaction, perhaps explaining why the police report said the car was owned by Pollard.

When a vehicle is sold between two individuals, the Kansas Department of Revenue said the new owner has 30 days to present the title and transfer the vehicle into the new owner’s name. Public record laws do not allow officials to confirm if the vehicle has been re-registered.

“The car is not mine,” Pollard stressed.

Pollard later posted the light-hearted quote of the day on his Twitter feed.

“I do know that selling cars in Lawrence is a tough business!” he exclaimed, referring to attention he received on radio station 810 WHB, which first reported the story of the accident Wednesday afternoon.

For Pollard’s full take on the situation, read his blog at

Coach Self’s take

Kansas coach Bill Self commented on the matter to the Journal-World after being “roasted” Wednesday night in Wichita at a benefit to raise money for the American Diabetes Association.

“It’s a non-story,” Self said. “It is a non-issue as we handled everything (involving sale of Pollard’s vehicle to Taylor) through compliance, to make sure everything was handled in a correct way.

“There was a minor accident leading to this (story) when the purchase had already been made. Final registration had apparently not been done as he (Taylor) had to transfer the title. Unfortunately ... the timing of this ... it had all been dealt with a while ago.”

Meanwhile, in Wichita, the panel roasting Self was to include Bill Self Sr., San Antonio Spurs general manager R.C. Buford, Illinois State basketball coach Tim Jankovich and St. John’s basketball coach Norm Roberts. KU director of external relations Barry Hinson hosted the event. at Century II Exhibition Hall.

Rankings tap KU No. 1 has tapped Kansas No. 1 in its preseason basketball rankings. Kentucky is second, Michigan State third, Texas fourth and defending national champion North Carolina fifth. KU’s Cole Aldrich has been named first team All America and Sherron Collins second team by Kentucky’s John Wall is preseason player of the year.

• Gary Bedore, Jesse Newell and Jesse Fray contributed to this report.


Kash_Encarri 8 years ago

They pretty much had to run this after Keitzman vomited all over himself saying that Pollard was providing improper benefits to Markief during his monolgue this afternoon.

Steve Jacob 8 years ago

I don't see anything wrong, you have to think compliance would not allow Pollard to sell any KU player a car for $1 or something like that.

Also, why be out that late? This was before the fights and the hard curfew, but still...

areyouserious 8 years ago

KK is a blowhard.............trying to further destruct the KU basketball program in hopes that everyone will become inelligible and his purple team can finally win a game...............get a life reject

Maracas 8 years ago

Keegan is probably over at his buddy Keitzman's house providing the strong shoulder for Keitzman to cry on now that he couldn't single-handedly notify the NCAA about violations at the evil KU. Keegan and Keitzman, both tremendous tools.

hbjayhawk 8 years ago

What is the point of this story? I think Cole Aldrich not flushing in Wescoe or washing his hands is bigger news . . . talk about ridiculous.

Maracas 8 years ago

The point of the story is LOLing at Keitzman.

mrjcg2 8 years ago

Yawn.....He should get points for not being drunk.

riverdrifter 8 years ago

I'd agree with the comments on K-StateKeitzman. I'm just about done with the twins though. Not performing on the court nor off. I'd say (or hope) one more screwup off court and one or both are gone.

darby 8 years ago

KK may be a blow, but the information came from a police report that pollard was the owner. Probably did sell the car as approved through compliance. But, how in the name Hades was the name not changed? Sounds like it was never registered, tagged, or insured legally if that is the case. Which wouldn't be a yawn if it hit me.

blindrabbit 8 years ago

Why not cash in this bunch of junkheads, and start over again. If we have to wait a couple of years, to regain respectability in the rankings, I'd say do it. Might send a message about really cleaning up the program, here and nationwide. It appears that Self has some real problems; if he is not capable of cleaning this up I say good riddance. This is what you get when you recruit inner-city kids from the East and Midwest. OkieState will be looking after this season; there are other that would gladly take the job here!.

blindrabbit 8 years ago

If KU does not clean up this mess, we'll be in the same boat as Colorado. They are still trying to cleanup the crap from the past, not making much progress in either football or basketball.

riverdrifter 8 years ago

Blindrabbit's 7:29:

Well said and I co-sign. A lot of fans are sick of this crap.

roggy 8 years ago

Am I missing something? This accident happened last month and they are reporting it today. Must be a very, very slow news day.

blindrabbit 8 years ago

I read the up-beat story about KU students cleaning up Potters Lake. Prompted me to drive up and see the goings-on; they had stopped for the day. Maybe the A.D. and Self need to drive by, take a look and apply the concept.

riverdrifter 8 years ago

"It must really suck for ku fans..."

So, Misery or K-Suck, jack on?

roggy 8 years ago

Wow, what did the kid do wrong? He had an accident. Can somebody explain all of the rantings?

daddax98 8 years ago

"Oh you think? Wonder where he got the money for the vehicle? Since they can't work how are these things paid for by student athletes? Just thinking of my college days in which I did work and was lucky to get by with a junker."

exactly how much do you think 12 year old cars are going for these days?

daddax98 8 years ago

anywhere between $3000-5000 not exactly lavish is it?

blindrabbit 8 years ago

The Sports program has gone to "hell"; this year the A.D. posted "Help KU" signs in the football stadium with "call to" numbers for comments and complaints. Following the first game I called the A.D. Office, posted an e-mail to Marchiony, and also spoke to Perkin's Secretary. My complaint was about the foul-mouthed cheer following KU kick-offs. Contrary to my 3 complaints, no calls were returned, no announcements made in the stadium, etc,etc.
I enjoy taking my grandkids to the games, but they do not need that crap at a college game; they are 5 and 7 and really enjoy the event otherwise. I'd expect that at a Chiefs game. Sound like a prude; not really, I can cuss with the best of them.

Mike Blur 8 years ago

Student-athletes qualify for Pell Grants, mostly for the full amount if they come from poor backgrounds. Add that to a full ride, and yes, the kids have cash.

ku_tailg8 8 years ago

The only thing that concerns me here is the sale of the vehicle. If it is legit like Marchiony says then this story is a non issue. Big deal, a student had an accident while borrowing another student's car. If what had happened in the past 2 1/2 weeks would never had happened then people like Kietzman wouldn't be digging into the past looking for problems. I'm actually amazed that this happened after 1am and alcohol wasn't involved.

As long as title switched from Pollard to Taylor then big deal. Its up to Taylor to register and insure it but if he doesn't it does signify ncaa violations. Just an idiot who didn't register and insure his car.

ku_tailg8 8 years ago

As long as title switched from Pollard to Taylor then big deal. Its up to Taylor to register and insure it but if he doesn't it does signify ncaa violations. Just an idiot who didn't register and insure his car.

sorry supposed to be DOESN'T signify ncaa violations.

JS82 8 years ago

Tyshawn could be trying to register it in New Jersey where he is from and that may be causing the delay. He also could not have the sales tax $ and holding off until he gets it etc. Lots of reasons--I am sure we will find out in a few days.

Kietzman and Kitchen (who wrote the article) rushed to judgement and then backed off saying we just reported the facts(what was in the police report). Kietzman never accepts responsibility for anything that he says or does. He throws stuff against the wall and sees if it sticks. In this case he looked like a fool in about 1 hour and 1/2. Pollard defended himself well and got Kietzman's goat. I wish KU would strip 810 of their press priviledges for 6 months unless there is an apology in writing from Kietzman. That would be funny to read. A KSU homer having to apologize to KU.

Bob Forer 8 years ago

Here's what probably happened, boys and girls.

1) You are right, scholarship athletes are not permitted to work during the school year, but they do receive a stipend for spending money, and since everyone wants to buy them a drink when they are out and about, the bb players, if frugal and thrifty, can probably bank a good portion of their monthly stipend for items such as vehicles.

2) The athletes are, however, allowed to work in the summer, and I am pretty certain most, if not all of them, are employed by Self's basketball camp. Bill probably pays them as much as possible yet still remain kosher for compliance.

3) Between the montly stipend and summer work, Taylor had plenty to buy a 12 year old card. No problems here.

4) Pollard, being the all-around good guy, millionaire, and loyal Jayhawk he is, probably sold it as cheaply as possible but still remain kosher with compliance.

5) Pollard probably left the tags on the vehicle. Taylor had thirty days to obtains tags. Probably keep putting it off because of his tight budget. With the date of sale revealed, when he does tag it, he will have to pay a penalty and interest.

Basically, its sounds like a non-issue.

riverdrifter 8 years ago

"Is it possible for a person to face the world each day without the confidence of a sports team allegiance?"

Er, if this is the case, why are you on this blog? 14 posts for somebody "without the confidence of a sports team"? Well now. You got nothing better to do, Off.

slowplay 8 years ago


Out of state students are not Kansas residents. They are not required to register their vehicles in Kansas. Although the 30 days to have the car registered is required it does not have to be registered here.

jaywalker 8 years ago

"Gosh can you believe none of the above and none at all? Is it possible for a person to face the world each day without the confidence of a sports team allegiance?"

How sad you must be, Jack, to troll here merely for sports articles to hijack with some pathetic, anti-athletics rant. This is a non-story. Following the lead of Kietzman is rarely a good idea; he's embarassing. Much like yourself. Sychophant summed it up pretty well; and if there were any impropriety here Coach Self would have been the first to step up. This non-story is how old? Yeah, that's what I thought.

jaywalker 8 years ago

"Uh, wouldn't 'buying them a drink' be a violation of NCAA rules?"

No, as long as the buyer isn't a university employee or booster.

jaywalker 8 years ago

"When reading history it is often hard to believe people will put blind loyalty in people and causes. "

Like I said, how sad you must be. It's not "blind loyalty", jackass, it's the FACT that Coach Self has always run a clean program that makes me believe this is much ado. Period. Feel free to be the 'glass is completely empty' guy. That's just sad. And Kietzman? Right, his names all over this piece and string since, well, he "broke" this nonsense. 'Playing stupider' isn't a good front.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

“When reading history it is often hard to believe people will put blind loyalty in people and causes. ”

Here, Jack, let me turn that around to make it relevant to you.

"When reading history it is often hard to believe people will put blind opposition against people and causes."

Sums you up perfectly, and a few others around here. If it says "athlete," then bark. Just like Pavlov would have wanted.

jaywalker 8 years ago

jonas, you said it better than I. Again. Dammit.

afp 8 years ago

Why did they leave out the fact that he was in a wreck at 1am with a 16 year old in the front seat of the car????? I still don't know how a person can own a car for over a month and when the cops run the plates it is still under Pollards name. When you are going to get involved in something that is this risky why not take every opportunity to make sure its legit? Mr. Lew is going to need to get a bigger rug and broom after these last couple of weeks.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

"Is it possible for a person to face the world each day without the confidence of a sports team allegiance?"

How about a sports team vendetta?

KEITHMILES05 8 years ago

I've no idea why this article keeps getting deleted. It is from TCJ.

LAWRENCE --The car Markieff Morris wrecked in a non-injury, two-car accident Sept. 13 belonged to teammate Tyshawn Taylor rather than former Jayhawk Scot Pollard, Kansas associate athletic director Jim Marchiony and Pollard said Wednesday.

According to a Lawrence Police report, the accident occurred at 1:14 a.m. at the corner of 17th and Tennessee streets when the 1997 Chevy Tahoe that Morris was driving struck the rear passenger door of a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am. None of the parties involved sought medical attention.

The police report also indicated the Tahoe driven by Morris belonged to Pollard, who moved back to Lawrence after a lengthy NBA career. WHB-AM (810) reported Wednesday afternoon on its Web site that the car belonged to Pollard. If that were the case, Morris' use of the vehicle could constitute an extra benefit in the eyes of the NCAA.

Pollard told The Capital-Journal he sold Taylor the car in August. Marchiony said Kansas passed the transaction through KU's compliance office.

"It's Tyshawn Taylor's car," Marciony said. "Tyshawn Taylor bought it from him in a transaction that was documented in our compliance office.

"There's nothing illegal about any of this."

Pollard corroborated that Wednesday evening.

"I sold the car to Tyshawn in a completely legitimate transaction," Pollard said. "You have a certain amount of time to register the car in your own name and apparently he had some kind of accident in that window and apparently he hadn't had a chance or hadn't gotten around to registering it in his name. That's the end of the story as far as I'm concerned."

Pollard said he sold Taylor the car in August for a fair Blue Book price.

"I can be honest with you and tell you that Tyshawn was expecting a better deal," Pollard said. "He was complaining about the price and I said, 'Hey man, the last thing I'm gonna do is get you and your university in trouble.' I had fears something like this was gonna happen and that people would investigate and I made sure I sold it to him for a fair price. It was not a handshake deal. It was not a free car by any means."

hipper_than_hip 8 years ago

14-801 CHILDREN. It shall be unlawful for any child under the age of eighteen (18) years to wander, lounge, loaf, loiter or play in, about, or upon any public street, alley, sidewalk, vacant lot, public place or other place normally accessible to the general public for public use, whether on foot, or in a vehicle or by any means, during the hours of curfew which are hereby specified for each day of each week as provided, to wit: 11:00 p.m. Monday to 6:00 a.m. Tuesday; 11:00 p.m. Tuesday to 6:00 a.m. Wednesday; 11:00 p.m. Wednesday to 6:00 a.m. Thursday; 11:00 p.m. Thursday to 6:00 a.m. Friday; 12:30 a.m. Saturday to 6:00 a.m. Saturday; 12:30 a.m. Sunday to 6:00 a.m. Sunday; 11:00 p.m. Sunday to 6:00 a.m. Monday; unless accompanied by a parent, legal guardian, or other person exercising legal custody of such child. Such prohibition shall not apply to such children under the age of eighteen (18) years who are en route by the most direct and accessible route between their homes and authorized places of employment, authorized entertainment, or authorized place of attendance to their residences. The term "authorized" as used in this Section shall denote and require prior authorization by a parent, legal guardian, or other person exercising legal custody. (Code 1979, 14-801)

It would seem the girl was out after curfew. No citation?

puddleglum 8 years ago

you guys are missing the real outrage here:

john wall preseason #1?

dude has played in high-school games only so far. but looking at kentucky's super-soft cupcake schedule, I guess they have a chance at being undefeated.

still, that pick as a preseason is insulting to college players. ick.

Gadmi 8 years ago

This is not about witch hunting - it is about "fair play" and athletes - especially the KU basketball team seem to be above the law, society guidelines, and general good moral conduct. I fully support KU sports but...when they start embarrassing the university with unlawful behavior and a general disrespect for their team, their coach, and their school they need to go! It is a privilege to be able to have a full ride scholarship and play sports at the University of Kansas. When athletes start taking that for granted and develop an attitude of "holier than thou" then they should no longer be allowed to represent KU.

Romans832 8 years ago

Wondering what Self's curfew for the "boys" is for Sat. night/Sun. morning. No criticism, just curious.

wagonburner23 8 years ago

Romans832 These guys are grown men. They are in college let them have their fun. Just stay of their back because they are gonna bring this town another championship. Someone add this page as a favorite and post it on here when it happens. Everything you do as a jayhawk basketbal playerl is magnified.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

Romans, well, it seems like it's a little earlier now, because Morningstar got pulled for being out about as late as Morris's accident (a month ago), if I recall.

Frankly, if the police doing the accident, being at the scene, did not feel it necessary to give a citation past, presumably, the accident itself, I'm going to assume that there was a reason for it past just general athletic/community corruption. Since, ya'know, none of us here have a clue about any of the particulars, and are just guessing.

Romans832 8 years ago

Wagonburner, curfew seemed to be an issue for Morningstar. Maybe 1:14 a.m. on a Sunday is within Self's regs. Grown men or not, he does set some standards. And I would doubt that championships come without some discipline, including curfews. I'm not advocating lights out at 10:00.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

"what do you gain by this?"


TheYetiSpeaks 8 years ago

I'm a KU fan but I feel compelled to defend Kietzman here a little bit. I listened to his show yesterday and all they did was report on a police report. He said several times that he "didn't know what this means" but suspected we would all find out. The bottom line is that the police report WAS news and at first glance looked very bad. Any news organization would have reported that (well apparently not the LJW who evidently has no journalist checking the Po-po blotter). As far as Pollard is concerned, I think he embarassed himself. He called his show and immediately was on the offensive. It was obvious he had not listened to the show and was just calling at the prompting of a friend who let him know that they were talking about him on the radio. BTW- I still think it looks fishy and therefore it still is news and Pollard's involvement is definitely worth discussing.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

Why can't Taylor buy a car from a dealer or something like everyone else?

Don't you think it's a little suspicious that the car came from an ex-player? Nah, those Jayhawks are perfect little angels.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

Is anyone ever going to face any consequences for that brawl?

kmat 8 years ago

Ricky_Vaughn (Anonymous) says…

Why can't Taylor buy a car from a dealer or something like everyone else?

Don't you think it's a little suspicious that the car came from an ex-player? Nah, those Jayhawks are perfect little angels.

I agree. And in the real world, the seller doesn't give you HIS license plate and let you drive the car you supposedly bought legitimately on THEIR license plate. Only a moron would do that. That is the special treatment Taylor received.

And to the troll that keeps posting on here - If Taylor is a resident of another state and his primary address isn't in KS, he can tag the car in his home state. Ever looked at the cars around KU? They're tagged from everywhere. Most out of state students don't claim Lawrence as their primary residence.

newsreader 8 years ago


Where does it say that Pollard still had his plates on the car? Oh thats right, it doesnt.

If Taylor never registered the car, and the Police ran the VIN number, it would come up to Pollard.

Wonder why a bigger deal isn't made about him running around with a 16 year old...

onehotmomma 8 years ago

I was under the impression that when you purchased a vehicle in Kansas, until you registered it, that the bill of sale had to be kept in the vehicle. Thus proving that the vehicle was sold.

I wasn't aware that you can buy a temporary tag from anyone other than a dealer. Although you have 30 days to register the vehicle in your name, you can't drive it (legally) without a legal tag on it. So unless Taylor had another vehicle that he replaced, would he have a tag? You can't get a tag without proof of insurance. Which leads to the next question, Whose insurance paid for the damage to the other car?

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years ago

Calm down, Beavis!! It was a non-injury accident that didn't involve alcohol. You know, like the kind that the posters on this board have had.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

What about the fishiness surrounding the accident, bunghole?

jaywalker 8 years ago

"Why can't Taylor buy a car from a dealer or something like everyone else?"

Yeah, nobody ever buys a car from the owner at blue-book value. Nobody. Never. This is outrageous!

Dumb da dumb dumb duuuuuuuummb

ralphralph 8 years ago

Just another "non-story". Sure are a LOT of "non-stories" lately. Keep your heads in the sand, maybe just desserts won't be heaped down upon the JayCheats.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

@ jaywalker

Yeah you're right. Everyone that plays college basketball always buys their cars from people who used to play ball at the same university.

What was I thinking?

georgiahawk 8 years ago

Ricky, the only thing that smells like a dead fish here is you, go back to Misery! This is the biggest non-story I have ever read! Your attempt to make it into more than what it is, stinks!

jonas_opines 8 years ago

"Everyone that plays college basketball always buys their cars from people who used to play ball at the same university."

It's an epidemic!!

"What was I thinking?"

Nothing, apparently, past dumb generalizations. Of the three cars I've owned, none have come from a dealer. None, for that matter, from ex-Jayhawk players, but then I don't have any friends or connections to the team.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

Keep your crimson and blue goggles on if it makes you feel better, but the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

jaywalker 8 years ago

"What was I thinking?'

Judging by the lack of substance in any of your comments, I'm gonna have to go with: Nothing.

"...but the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem."

Speaking from experience, I gather. But the only person with a problem on this string is a particular troll who's obviously a rival fan with the maturity level of a toddler.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

What's with all the name calling, guy? I was born here, I root for the Hawks. I just think there are way too many people that turn a blind eye when it comes to these guys getting in trouble.

What about the brawl? Already conveniently swept under rug...nothing will happen to one will write stories about it...Lew's "upset" but not doing anything about it. I don't like the fact that so many KU fans are okay with all this stuff.

I feel like Kelvin Sampson is hiding out somewhere on campus running this school into the ground.

bad_dog 8 years ago

So are you making that admission, Ricky_V?

Kietzman rushed to judgment in an attempt to scoop the competition with a story he believed injurious to KU's reputation. When Pollard called his show to inquire why Kietzman didn't contact him to verify the basis for the story, Kietzman defended himself by continuously talking over Pollard and repeatedly (and condescendingly) stating "I know you're a big star and accustomed to having the spotlight on you, but this story isn't about you. I didn't want to say that because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but the story isn't about you."

Hmm, let's see, you sold your car to a KU player and we're reporting the transaction as a potential NCAA infraction involving your conduct, but no need to contact you for your side of the story because it's not about you. OK, got it.

WHB also posted a rather scathing article of all things wrong with KU athletics on their website and added a link to the police report. While the report is a public record and the contents thus available for anyone requesting and paying for a copy, why not at least redact the addresses and phone numbers of everyone, especially the driver of the other vehicle, the passengers and the 16 year-old minor??

Am I concerned about all the negative publicity on KU's athletic programs? Yes. Should we be concerned that the 16 year-old was out past curfew? Yes, but that is really a matter for LPD and her parents IMHO. Unless we discover something more nefarious about this situation, it truly strikes me as a mean-spirited, collegiate-loyalty-driven attempt to stick a finger in KU Athletics eye.

Gadmi 8 years ago

Fender benders happen everyday as well as not being tagged properly, and lack of insurance. The concerning issue here should be that this guy (adult male) had a minor female in his vehicle past curfew for the minor. I doubt it was because he was being a good samaritan.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

bad_dog, If you didn't know Keitzman was a Catbacker, you've been living under a rock. Of course he's trying to smear KU!!

bad_dog 8 years ago

"What about the brawl? Already conveniently swept under rug…nothing will happen to anyone..."

Unless you have a victim that can and is willing to identify the perpetrators and testify against them, there isn't a way to investigate beyond a certain point, nor anything to prosecute. That's a lot different than an administration's obstruction of an investigation, unwillingness to thoroughly investigate or completely ignoring the issue. Are you wanting to press criminal charges against all the members of the FB and BB teams to ensure we don't miss anyone potentially culpable? Just those who can be identified at the scene? Just what do you actually know about the status of the investigation, whether it is ongoing or closed?

If you really have an issue with the handling of this matter, I suggest you send a letter to the members of both teams asking that they cooperate fully with the investigation in the name of KU, Jayhawk alumni and fans and simple decency. It probably won't change anything, but perhaps it will make you feel better.

bad_dog 8 years ago

Ricky_V, what part of my quote above, " truly strikes me as a mean-spirited, collegiate-loyalty-driven attempt to stick a finger in KU Athletics eye." would make you believe I didn't realize Kietzman was a KSU Mildcat alum, thus susceptible to allegations of bias? I had an attempted on-the-air discussion with Kietzman following his comments to listeners suggesting K-State fans should tear down the goal posts at KU again if they won at Memorial 3 years ago. First he tried to tell me that wasn't what he said, then he just talked over me whenever I tried to respond. Typical Kietzman tactics. So yeah, I know who Kietzman is as well as his collegiate heritage.

jaywalker 8 years ago

"What about the brawl? Already conveniently swept under rug…nothing will happen to anyone…no one will write stories about it"

You've got to be kidding. Nothing has been "swept under the rug", the basketball team was punished by Coach Self through extra and harder Boot Camp sessions, and there have been numerous stories written about it nationally. The situations and exact people involved could not be ascertained, so what? Punish all 90 guys? Yeah, that's how our justice system should work, just blanket-blame the lot.

And what's everyone's fascination with the 16 year old in the car? There was a 22 year old woman as well and from what I've been told they're sisters. Oh, the horror!

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

As a KU fan, frankly I find all of these incidents embarrassing and I would think that KU fans with any pride would feel the same way.

I guess they don't. In fact, most people seem to get mad at me when I call attention to these things.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

I get the message....never question KU athletics. Thanks for putting me in my place.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

"As a KU fan, frankly I find all of these incidents embarrassing and I would think that KU fans with any pride would feel the same way."

They have been embarrassing. They've also been clearly sensationalized by the media, and the events themselves have been responded to. What most of us here have an issue with is the continuing and absolutely ignorant judgment brought down by people with no knowledge of the situation past what they've been spoon-fed by the local press, as if they somehow know more about these situations and the appropriate punishment (read: never enough) than the people involved, and the generally irrational allegation of athlete bias and corruption, when it is generally pretty clear that the people in the know have passed on to other, more important things.

The police must be giving these athletes a free pass. The coach must be giving these athletes a free pass. The fans must be giving these athletes a free pass. It certainly couldn't be that detractors have no idea what they're talking about.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

Ah, the omniscient jonas. Tell me how I'm supposed to feel. Please?

bad_dog 8 years ago

Ricky, the message (at least from me) is question all you want, however, condemn or criticize only when you have valid reason to do so and evidence to back it up, not merely based upon aspersion, inferences, bias or rumors.

I too, find these incidents embarrassing-even appalling. But unless there is a legitimate basis for criticizing an athlete involved in a traffic accident-aside from an improper lane change, perhaps some posters should rachet the hyperbole back a notch or two... If this accident had occurred in the absence of the brawl, I doubt most folks would be nearly as concerned about a fender bender involving a scholarship athlete.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

They're all angels. None of the players in the history of the school have ever done anything wrong or received special treatment.

Happy now?

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

Aqib Talib tests positive for drugs three times. KU ignores it and he turns into a fine upstanding young man that attacks his teammates and punches out cab drivers. Mangino recruits a running back with pending rape charges. Next thing ya know he's trying to run other players over with his car. Then the brawl....

Am I the only one who sees a trend?

Richard Heckler 8 years ago

Maybe Taylor could not afford to transfer the vehicle?

It seems many new athletes drive newer model gas hogs?

Where does the money come from?

How do they afford the gas?

How do they afford personal property tax?

How do they afford the car insurance?

I say outfit them with a TREK, SPECIALIZED,GIANT OR A FAT TIRE CRUISER and just maybe a little less controversy might surface. And it would keep them in shape.

bad_dog 8 years ago

"Mangino recruits a running back with pending rape charges. Next thing ya know he's trying to run other players over with his car."

Really? What's the current status of those charges?

Crawford did not have pending rape charges when he was recruited to KU. That is as inaccurate a statement as can be found in this string. The circumstances of the incident that occurred several years prior while he was in high school were investigated by Mangino and Perkins before he was offered. You would have to either be a fool or a Mizzery fan to believe Mangino and Perkins would offer a scholarship to an individual with pending rape charges.

As for the incident at Jayhawk Towers, nobody outside of those involved really knows whether Lueken jumped on the hood and fell off or Crawford hit him. All the rest are merely speculating. We do know Crawford was unarrested after the investigating cops spoke to him. I doubt that was because they finally had the epiphany they had arrested a scholarship athlete. More likely it was because they believed it was Leuken's fault.

You seem to make certain generalizations regarding KU's athletes and administration arising from a fundamental lack of knowledge. I'm not trying to be critical of you and while some of your observations are valid, you might have a little different perspective if you developed your opinions based upon all the facts of an individual case and not some general conspiracy theory, i.e. "KU's athletes and administration are a bunch of cheaters and cover-up artists" mentality.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

I don't think the whole organization is corrupt, but I know for a fact there is shady activity and things that DO get covered up from time to time.

Don't preach to me about the purity of the college game. At least pro athletes are honest. They're all about the money and they admit it. They don't masquerade as "kids" and "student athletes".

I wonder what Xavier Henry is majoring in? Oh yeah. Nothing. He'll take Underwater Basket Weaving I and II and bolt for the NBA the first chance he gets.

I don't believe everyone is that naive. I think it kills some of you to admit that KU is far from perfect. I didn't say the worst offenders in the NCAA, I said not perfect. And I know that there aren't ANY programs that are.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years ago

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

Richard Heckler 8 years ago

Why do these KU athletes need to offer public apologies?

Either they get their acts together or else they should be fired.

somebodynew 8 years ago

And for those that (seem) to care - the WHB web site had a follow up story posted today, showing that Taylor did get the car registered in Aug and had his own insurance on the car (which paid out). So it certainly doesn't look like anything shady was going on - EXCEPT for the fact a certain anti-KU radio ranter (he is not a host in my book) didn't bother to get to the bottom of the story until after he ran his mouth trying to stir sh** up for KU (as he does on a regular basis).

Now, can we just let this die out like it should.

gphawk89 8 years ago

KU athletes just need to realize that they are under a microscope right now, on and off the court/field. The whole nation is watching. Let's not do any more damage.

Danimal 8 years ago

Taylor is even dumber than I thought, getting a car registered is pretty easy.

In other news, how can anyone be tapping Kentucky to be a preseason #2? They can't have gotten that much better in the off-season. I mean, they didn't even make the tournament last year.

bad_dog 8 years ago

Why don't you ask Markieff yourself Marion?

You can get his phone number and address from the police report.

jonas_opines 8 years ago

"In other news, how can anyone be tapping Kentucky to be a preseason #2? They can't have gotten that much better in the off-season. I mean, they didn't even make the tournament last year."

They got a highly-regarded coach in Calipari, and two of the three top picks in last year's recruiting class, adding another top class one-and-done point guard for Calipari's rather successful strategy to get beat by a Big 12 team in tournament. (haha)

jonas_opines 8 years ago

Marion, in the admittedly quixotic hope that your simple mind will stop fretting over non-whitish names and GTFO, it's pronounced mar KEEF. As I'm sure Bad-Dog or anybody else could have fed you at any point.

"So bad_dog, you cannot be responsive to my question?"

Everytime that you find yourself wanting to ask something like this, you should immediately, for accuracy, convert it in your mind into this.

"I must have asked a pathetically stupid and pointlessly baiting (series of) question(s), since everybody would rather bait me in return rather than answer."

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