Mangino defends program on 'Hawk Talk'
Kansas football coach Mark Mangino speaks on "Hawk Talk" about the success of the football program and how prepared — or not — the players are.
Mangino denies validity of former player allegations
Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino responded Thursday to allegations that he has made a habit of verbally abusing players during his eight-year tenure in Lawrence. Enlarge video
Stoops stands by embattled Mangino
Norman, Okla. (AP) — Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops is sticking by his former assistant — Kansas coach Mark Mangino. Mangino is facing an internal investigation by the school over an undisclosed personnel matter.
Stoops says Mangino has always been close to and concerned about his players.
Mangino was OU’s offensive line coach in 1999 and the Sooners’ offensive coordinator in 2000 and 2001 before becoming head coach at KU.
Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino denied recent accusations that he has made a habit of orally abusing players during his eight-year tenure in Lawrence.
Though he didn’t address certain allegations specifically, Mangino — speaking Thursday during his weekly radio show, “Hawk Talk with Mark Mangino” — said he took exception to comments made by former players in the days since KU athletic director Lew Perkins launched an internal investigation concerning the actions of the coach.
“I’ll be honest with you, some of the stuff is flat-out embellished and just not true,” said Mangino, whose Jayhawks (5-5) will travel to Texas on Saturday for a meeting with the No. 3 Longhorns. “... I think there are people embarrassing this program just for their 15 minutes of fame.”
Later, he added, “I can’t do the work of some parents, what they should have done before (the players) got to me. Some are just bitter ... and I can’t do anything about that. There’s some things, for 18 years, that happened in their lives that I can’t change in four years of college. I can’t do it. Can’t change their behaviors, can’t change their attitudes.”
Since the Journal-World first reported the ongoing investigation Tuesday morning, some former players have come forward with less-than-glowing experiences involving the coach, allegations that have included near-daily oral abuse of players and coaches, threats of revoking scholarships and the airing of players’ personal matters in a team setting.
Mangino, who received multiple ovations from the Buffalo Wild Wings crowd during his one-hour live show, stood by his previous assertion that his approach is comparable to other coaches across the Big 12 Conference, insisting he is more than comfortable with the manner in which he runs his program.
“When you do things the right way and you do things to help young people and bring some discipline and structure and try to lead them to earn a college degree, that’s all I’ve done,” he said. “I’m at peace with myself. I’ve got nothing to worry about because I know how we take care of our program and how we take care of our players.
“I can’t tell you that every guy we’ve had here has been an outstanding person to work with. We’ve had our share of slackers and corner-cutters and all those kind of things. We just try to show them the way. Some young people want discipline in their life. They benefit by it. They want structure. They understand the big picture. And some don’t. But to me — I’m good, man. I’m feeling great. I’m doing what I know how to do and doing it to the best of my ability.”
Informed of Mangino’s comments late Thursday night, former Kansas running back Jocques Crawford chuckled.
“I would expect him to say something like that,” he said. “That’s a bail-out.”
Crawford, who transferred from Kansas last summer and is now a walk-on at Tennessee Tech in Cookeville, Tenn., also told the Journal-World on Thursday that players felt pressured to play injured.
“My first game at KU, I sprained my ankle really bad, and I came to the sideline, and I told them I hurt my ankle, and the coach said, ‘Was I going to be a (wimp) about it or was I going to go back in?’” Crawford said. “So I felt like I had to prove something to him.”
Another former player, however, reiterated Thursday that Mangino is far from the man he has been made out to be by some.
Former defensive tackle Travis Watkins spoke glowingly of a coach who was tough but fair, and unlike previous players, who say they left the program with no real relationship with the coach, said he speaks to Mangino a handful of times every year.
As an example of the coach’s support of his players, Watkins pointed to Mangino’s postgame rant following a controversial loss to Texas in 2004 in which the coach implied that the game’s officiating had been rigged based on a desire for the Longhorns to play in a BCS game.
According to Watkins, Mangino walked into the locker room before attending the postgame news conference and teared up at seeing the disappointment of his players.
“He was in there crying with us,” Watkins said.
Watkins said that, like any college football program, there were good times and bad times, and there was no denying that playing college football at Kansas was not an easy thing to do.
But there was always a method to Mangino’s madness, Watkins said, and the rants — no matter how severe — always served a specific purpose.
“I definitely went through times when I was like, ‘This guy’s crazy,’ ‘He’s an (expletive)’ or whatever,” Watkins said. “But the older I got, and the more I got into the program, after going through everything, in every instance you look back — he might have at times said some crazy things, but it was all to make you a better player and a better person.”
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BlackVelvet (anonymous) says…
well duh...Of course he denies it. He's not stupid enough to say "hell yes, I did all those things"
yankeevet (anonymous) says…
so.........how about hiring Marty Shotenheimer........
OldEnuf2BYurDad (anonymous) says…
"Later, he added, "Some of these guys are just bitter.""
I've known men who wore bowl rings. It takes a lot to be bitter after getting one of those. This sounds like he's having a hard time admitting that he's a hard guy to get along with.
I'd like to see a post from Mrs. Mangino. She's the one who knows the truth about his anger.
rgh (anonymous) says…
Ya, like Mortenson is bitter over his time at KU. HA!
merrill (anonymous) says…
Some football players best not head off to boot camp if they believe college football is a bit tough to take.
Then again I cannot remember any of my coaches as sweet talking warm and fuzzy.
password (anonymous) says…
rgh -Ya, like Mortenson is bitter over his time at KU. HA!
didn't you hear his interview on the KLWN? he's very bitter.
bergerfry (anonymous) says…
Unless you've been around the spoiled little prima donnas he's referring to then don't pass judgement. Some of those kids are arrogant pricks. Not saying Magino is a saint but there is two sides to the stories. KU football is losing so they will attack the leader first.
password (anonymous) says…
bergerfry ~ I agree with you. I've been around bosses who were worse than what they're saying Mangino is. Grow up and get over it.
hbjayhawk (anonymous) says…
Tex (-27) and rising . . . Vegas knows that we are losing a coach as soon as our plan touches down from a beatdown in Austin. He is digging his grave . . . and it might be in China because he needs a big hole.
oneeye_wilbur (anonymous) says…
mangino, just take the money and run, because it is highly likely that Lew won't be far behind..after all, Lawrence doesn't have much to offer Lew in retirement, he won't stick around
both are bye bye
OldEnuf2BYurDad (anonymous) says…
"Too bad after allegations and a mess like this you'll be lucky to land at Eastern Tennessee Tech."
NO, he'll have no problem getting a GOOD job. He didn't have any NCAA problems, and he turned around a program that had been losing since the 60s. We hadn't won a bowl game in over 25 years before him. Lots of schools would love him.
jpoonus (anonymous) says…
Mangino made us a winner and I am going to miss him. I haven't heard one allegation yet that I would consider damning to his career.
budwhysir (anonymous) says…
I LOVE how his responses and statements are based on the fact that he is unable to change the students. Um could we say denial??? Could it be that he needs to change his actions or behaviors? Could it be that his parents made a few mistakes?
Glad to see that Mangino is at peace with the way he runs his team, I hope that the way this program is ran is up to snuff and that the stories are just embelished and he will be cleared. If they are true, I can say it is good that it is out in the open and all potential employers are now aware of the way he runs his program.
budwhysir (anonymous) says…
rock chalk what a shock?
not so sure bout this, just goes to show that being paid all that money and getting lucky enough to go to one bowl game doesnt make you king of the mountain
ilovetocook (anonymous) says…
It seems Mangino believes in his players taking responsibility for their actions, but he isn't willing to acknowledge any of his shortcomings. We've seen and heard his abusive behavior from a couple of years ago via you tube and heard about his hot-headed behavior when his son played at LHS. Yet, he denies he has any problems with anger management or needs to change in any manner. He's either in denial or an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk. I thought that when KU was winning and think that now that KU is mediocre at best. He should be fired.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) says…
Mangino is a jerk. Perkins is a bigger jerk who sees an opportunity to bring in his "own guy." Buhbye, Mark.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
ilovetocook if is all one has to do to be a AD is sit back and ignore everything when winning and then get the rumor mill spinning when the coach is losing so it is easy to get rid of him, well gosh I think I could do that and for a whole lot less money!
tumbilweed (anonymous) says…
I think he embarrasses the Jayhawks on a weekly basis with his gluttonous inflated form waddling around apparently leading a team of skilled, physically conditioned athletes.
ilovetocook (anonymous) says…
jackripper, I never defended Perkins at all. But, since nothing has been done about his unacceptable behavior for years, should it continued to be tolerated? Of course not!
Maxandwillie (anonymous) says…
Its not uncommon for coaches not to be liked at the time because they push certain buttons to get kids to respond in a more effective way. However when you have former players who had success playing for KU and after (mortenson) saying what they are saying now that shows a lack of respect.
Far worse to not be respected than to be disliked.
He is done, especially after his comments about parents not doing their jobs.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
"ilovetocook (Anonymous) says…
jackripper, I never defended Perkins at all. But, since nothing has been done about his unacceptable behavior for years, should it continued to be tolerated? Of course not!"
I agree but as the Catholic church learned, if you sit back and let stuff go when knowing about it then they are liable too. Clean slate all around!
CrazyDiamond (anonymous) says…
Oldenuf2b: "We hadn't won a bowl game in over 25 years before him".
1995 Aloha Bowl KU 51 UCLA 35
KUweatherman (Curtis Lange) says…
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/nbcspor...
NavyVet (anonymous) says…
What's so abusive? Demanding the best from your folks and yelling at them? And then getting in someone's face about it? touching someone with your finger? grabbing their shirt?
Maybe it's abusive in an office setting. Maybe. But peolple are touched all the time in football. Football is an inherently aggressive sport and environment. Mangino is aggressive at coaching. All of the players he coaches are agressive. Mangino chose them for his team because of their aggressivness. Every player in Big-12 football wants to be known for, and takes pride in, their own agressiveness. And they know if they're not not aggressive enough, they sit. So please stop the farcical "I've been a coach/my kid this/I never when I coached did that/ifs, ands, but" analysis.
Mangino's not trying to get the best of students who have pen marks on their white shirts. He's trying to motivate student athletes who are expected to perform in an aggressive way every day in practice, and every Satuday during the season. And many of them have never been pushed beyond their natural talent in their life.
Sounds like boot camp to me. Can't hack it? Welcome to life, and GTFO son . . .
Mangino's coaching style is like military training -- break down the individual, teach them there's more to 'it' than themselves, and mold them into a team that can perform as same. Some apparently take umbrage to that. Them that never had nothing but the thought of "me", that is . . .
You go M-go . . .
BorderRuffian (anonymous) says…
I thnk Porky really screwed the pooch with his HawkTalk tonight. I was kinda pulling for the old tub of lard, but now he goes on lambasting the players AND their parents. Gosh, what's next, blaming Bush?
Well, the good news is that there's lotsa job openings in New York City for washed up fat guys. They call them "Santa." Only thing is, Porky is more like the mean, hateful Santa on "A Christmas Story," bellowing out HO HO HO and scaring the little kiddies, than the nice old guy in (the original) "Miracle on 34th Street."
I gotta say, I'm SO disappointed - I was really pulling for this guy.
pfunk81 (anonymous) says…
You guys ever think Lew Perkins looks a bit like Sloth from the Goonies?
cheeseburger (anonymous) says…
As surmised by many and confirmed by Jack Harry last night, Perkins' witchhunt may have landed him either in hot water or the unemployment line! The manner in which he lured the players in for 'the meeting' surely seems to undermine Mangino and his staff. Perhaps it will be Perkins who Chancellor Gray-Little will announce as being 'relieved of his duties'!
Rickyonealku (anonymous) says…
Does anyone really think those former KU football players have moved on with there lives??? Do they have a J.O.B.??? did they complete and walk down the hill with a degree??? Start a family??? Life after college football must be rough and tough for those complaining NOW.
Grow some BALLS Life is tough with 10 plus unemployment.
Rickyonealku (anonymous) says…
I wanted to conclude with Grow some BALLS Life is tough with 10% plus unemployment.
babyjontheway (anonymous) says…
Everything he says is spot on these kids come from bad homes and neighborhoods and the parents just think that the coach is supposed to take their place as a disciplenarian. But guess what? You are a parent even if your kid is grown and lives in a different state and you should be coming to campus and making sure they aren't ruining their lives instead of running about talking about how my kid plays football at KU. I had a coach in high school that would yell at us and make us run in the pouring rain in the middle of winter. Why? because we would act lazy or do something wrong off court to embarress the school. These football players are mad because they are being disciplined for embaressing the school and they think they can embaress us some more as a way to get back at us. If this man loses his job for doing it then all coachs should be scard.
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
HB,
The KU/Tex line opened Monday at KU -27 in Vegas, peaked at -28 and has been at -27.5 for two days. The news has had no effect.
kujayhawk (anonymous) says…
Why do they keep interviewing Crawford? Talk about a thug with a sketchy past.
Hoots (anonymous) says…
Every coach I ever had yelled at me. I've had my helmet slapped, jersey pulled, pads smacked, and LOTS of yelling. No matter if I was running track, playing baseball or football the coaches were always tough on you. Sorry boys that's the way of the world of sports and always has been. Buck up little campers...otherwise life is going to be a long ride. Now go get stuck in the Taco Bell drive-up window.
fan4kufootball (anonymous) says…
Hey Coach - keep up the good work! It not your fault you have a bunch of sissies on your team - and as long as others keep bailing them out they will be sissies and whiners their entire life. I feel sorry or the team players that really go all out and play with a passion while the sissies on their team bring them down. Now we all really know why the "team" has not been functioning well. It takes 100% of EVERY player to be a good football team.
Easy_Does_It (anonymous) says…
I think he is a coach who wins; KSU and OU probably would not have won without him. But when he assaulted a student over a parking ticket he should have been fired and charges brought. Try getting into the face of a meter person down town see how that works.
How does this school continue to take students and parents money and let this kind of thing continue? - "send you kid here and by the way if he is assaulted by our winning football coach, well - football is like war and people get hurt so man up!?"
His team is not winning and it looks like the AD is tired of the baggage.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Oh me oh my, the worm may have turned.
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/sports/s...
BigPrune (anonymous) says…
It's too bad that KU is full of so many wussies. Come on girly men, did the coach hurt your feelings because you were playing like crap? Are you having a little post traumatic stress disorder now? What about our men fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq, do you think it compares with all they've experienced? Do you feel like you are inadequate or something, like with the ladies since coach ripped your head off? So, coach needs to take sensitivity training? So he is all sensitive to others' feelings? Did he say bad words to you? Ever heard of sticks and stones?
........This could go on and on and on.
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
Thanks for the link about Lew getting investigated. He should. Meeting with players behind Manginos back completely undermines his authority.
bfulle02 (anonymous) says…
All I know is that feature stories on ESPN cause recruits and alumni support to disappear and that it is unaffordable for a program trying to get over the hump. Innocent or guilty may not matter at this point.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
civilization is crumbling around us and we're concerned if a guy who gets paid $2.3 million a year to coach amateur football is being mistreated.
Jean1183 (anonymous) says…
We're behind you, Coach! Yell and poke the wusses some more.
If a poke and a yell scares those guys, they wouldn't last a day in bootcamp.
KEITHMILES05 (anonymous) says…
Why does the media give a hoot what crawford thinks? He was booted for lack of discipline and horrible behavior. Of course he doesn't like Mangino because he was a dud. Pure and simple. Hence, what he says is only garbage and isn't meaningful. Everybody can see through that crap.
bigbird11 (anonymous) says…
Making a comparison of college football players to soldiers fighting Afghanistan/Iraq? Arguments don't work like that.
Judgesmails (anonymous) says…
“I can’t do the work of some parents, what they should have done before (the players) got to me. Some are just bitter
******
Stay classy, meatball !
You'll never be a D1 head coach again
countrygirl (anonymous) says…
How many former jayhawks are playing in the NFL? It would be interesting to hear their side of things.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
"Stay classy, meatball !"
don't you mean, "become classy for the first time"
also... wear something other than athletic gear for a change. what happened to coaches who wore adult clothing?
Haiku_Cuckoo (anonymous) says…
Let's look at the facts:
Lew was hired to bring money to the athletic program. He has been very successful. Like him or not, he brings more money to the department than any other AD in the nation.
Mangino was hired to produce a winning football team. Although he had a good start, his team has lost five games in a row.
Verdict: Keep Lew, replace Mangino.
Ricky_Vaughn (anonymous) says…
“I’ll be honest with you, some of the stuff is flat-out embellished and just not true,” said Mangino. Let's break this quote down.
Okay, first of all, I hate the phrase “I’ll be honest with you". It makes me feel like you're B.S. ing me the rest of the time.
And then there's "some of the stuff is flat-out embellished and just not true". But the rest is true?
thepianoman (anonymous) says…
Maningo is right.....He can't change the players' attitudes, behaviors, lack of ambition, lack of discipline, etc. Most of them probably grew up having anything and everything they wanted.
A lot, NOT ALL, of young people these days (I'm 29) have no work ethic, no ambition, they're spoiled, lack discipline from parents, etc, etc.
College althletes these days need more discipline and less pampering.
Is Mangino supposed to be powerding these players' asses????? Come on.
Kudos to Mangino!!
tony88 (anonymous) says…
"Is Mangino supposed to be powerding these players' asses?????"
no. powdering his own is a full-time job
garyr (anonymous) says…
Just heard. Turner Gill to KU!!!
Denny2009 (anonymous) says…
I'm behind Mangino. The players are a bunch of prima donnas...all year with this bad publicity crap. These guys are hard enough to fight on campus and act like a bunch of tough guys but can't hack it in the end. This is embarassing that this has even gone public. This goes on at other schools, you think all collegiate players see eye to eye with their coaches motivational techniques? Grow a pair.
biggunz (anonymous) says…
garyr (Anonymous) says…
"Just heard. Turner Gill to KU!!!"
LOL. Yeah, you just heard. Name your source. It's people like you who have made this deal what it is today. Speculation, rumors, and flat out lies to gain attention.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
" Turner Gill to KU!!!"
Horrible Fail on your part. He'd already have a big job if he was qualified.
truman (anonymous) says…
Summary- This was all part of Lew's plan. Historically, no KU football coach is around for long. Complaining football players- what a bunch of whiners. Parents of the complaining players- let your kids grow up and make their own mistakes/choices. (wish I had a free ride to college).
truman (anonymous) says…
silly question- where does Turner Gill coach?
Graczyk (anonymous) says…
I love how people (on this board and the radio) say how Mangino will never be a D-1 coach again. Of course he will be. Look at someone like Bobby Knight. He verbally and physically abused his players. He got another D-1 gig. Granted, Mangino is not the same caliber as Bobby Knight (wins, championships, etc.) but football loves retreads. Someone is going to give him a chance. They always do.
garyr (anonymous) says…
Heard Lew's already met with him. Probably not too hard to do since Gill's daughter goes to school here. Turner Gill is the next coach of your Kansas Jayhawks!!!!!
truman1902 (anonymous) says…
This all has the aroma of "pack" mentality. When times aren't so high, it opens the gate to those who can't bear losses without injecting their venom from underneath the rocks in which they hide when times are good.
Mark Mangino was, and is STILL the best football coach this program has EVER seen..
Warts?? Sure, everyone's got 'em..Competing with NU, OU, Texas and everyone else's media darling programs isn't a walk in the park. Coach Mangino has extracted the very most from his players on Saturdays that were lucky to find 30,000 fans at Memorial Stadium before his arrival. ..It's NOW 50,000+ for the pre-season games.
YEAH, he YELLS..Now, it's judged as insensitive?? everyone among us has lost it at one time or another..If he stays, he'll be a better coach..book that!!
Those of you who want a nice guy with low expectations??--Terry Allen would probably re-sign!!
Top programs require thick skin!!!
garyr (anonymous) says…
Turner Gill coaches University of Buffalo Bulls.
68fbrd (anonymous) says…
How appropriate for 'BF' to have his weekly radio address from the local greasy spoon? Maybe he should have next weeks 'address' from Nutri Systems, or a all you can eat buffet?
68fbrd (anonymous) says…
remember: Lew Perkins totally ruined the basketball program at WSU when he fired Gene Smithson, and he also wanted to CAN Gene Stephenson.
truman (anonymous) says…
the University of Buffalo ? Not a big name program. Lew can do better than that. Or maybe not.
KUFAN1518 (anonymous) says…
If Turner Gill is coming to Kansas, I will no longer be a Kansas fan. He has done nothing with a low level Buffalo team in the time that he has been there in a crappy conference.
I am a huge supporter of what Mangino has done for the Kansas Football program. If you guys think a poke in the chest is bad, i would say you have never played the game of football and have no business talking about the matter. I was getting cused at and poked in the chest in pee wee league football. The players need to step up and take resposibility for their own actions on and off the field.
This has all been brought about by Lew Perkins, he has never liked Mangino and has been looking for a reason to get him out for years.
We are not losing because of bad coaching, we are losing because of bad exicution by the players, mainly Todd Reesing, yes I said it, have you guys been to a game this year, his passing accuracy has been terrible these past 4 or 5 weeks vs quality opponents, the recivers have been there and he has made poor decisions and innacurate throws. Notice how the coaching staff made changes on defense and wow, what happened, they improved the next week people, Its all about making changes to better the program and if certain players are pissed about those decisions then they need to better themselves and get the job done, not go out and accuse the coach of having it out for him. I'm not out to blame it on one guy or anything, lord knows the coaching staff could be better in areas, but the exucution of the players has not been solid this year as a whole.
Anyway, I can't belive you guys are turning on coach Mangino with these former players "quotes". I belive coach said it best, there was a time in kansas football where a 5-5 season was celibrated with a parade. Its just one season. I remember when we had coaches with records of 2-9, 3-8 etc. and nothing was done for years about getting a better coach.
Go Mangino, I'm with you!
garyr (anonymous) says…
Lew and Turner Gill are buddies, have been for a long time. He will be the coach. His daughter goes here, everything falls into place.
Jimo (anonymous) says…
If Perkins wants to fire Mangino because he's not leading the program in the direction it needs then he should be a man and stand up and do it.
If Perkins wants to fire Mangino because he's engaged in wrong-doing as coach then he should start with actual allegations of actual wrong-doing, which I've yet to hear.
If neither #1 nor #2, then Perkins needs to be fired as AD for his unsupportive, back-stabbing attempts to undermine both Mangino and the entire football program.
BigAl (anonymous) says…
Nice letter KUFAN1518. But, this goes well beyond a player being "poked in the chest". Mangino has anger problems and a lot of people have known it for a long time.
Ask the people that witnessed him at the LHS game.
Mangino crosses the line when he attacks these kids and their families on a personal level. Period.
Football is a violent and physical game and I have no problem with coaches that are physical and verbal but not when they cross the line. You don't talk critical about a kid's grandmother passing or a young man's dad being a “drunk”. Totally out of line.
When he basically gets booted from a high school football game, he seems to be the one that needs disciplined.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) says…
So, football is really nothing more than institutionalized fraternity hazing?
"My coach was a petty, immature, sadistic a$$hole with poor communication skills, so players today should expect to be treated as badly I was."
beagledog (anonymous) says…
Mangino does have a problem with his anger. What about the allegations of his problems at home? let's get real. mangino didn't even have the balls to enter that restaurant last night via the front door. I feel sorry for all the people who work they; his presence ruined their reputation as a great sports bar.
I am good friends with the radio engineer and he told me that mangino refuesed to move his show up a day early to accomodate the basketball team, and thus, there was no pre-game radio show yesterday. he also told me MM would not do his show a day early next week, forcing the staff at wild wings to work. when MM was told it was thanksgiving, he reply was "so? I'll be here." He could care less about anyone but himself. He doesn't care about family, unless it is his own. I hope his wife reads this and realizes how selfish her husband really is.
cetarr (anonymous) says…
Go back to the archives of this paper to July 24, 2009 and read about Jocques Crawford leaving the team. He was suspended indefinitely with the possibility of a permanent dismissal. Magino did not throw him under the bus to the press and say everything he did. Crawford screwed up his own time at KU. Wright lost his job this year to a freshman. These are all ex-players who are want-a-be NFL players that want to blame someone other than themselves.
KUFAN1518 (anonymous) says…
beagledog, the only reason he wants to keep it on thursdays is because thursdays are short days for the football team, they are done around 5:30 or so for personal stuff/family stuff, other days they stay and work/gameplan till 10:00 or later. And who in the hell would want to have 15 cameras pointed in there face when going in to do a weekly radio show when your trying to keep thing buisness as usual, how is this realavent?
gphawk89 (anonymous) says…
"near-daily oral abuse... threats of revoking scholarships... airing of personal matters in a team setting..."
OK, kids, what are you going to do when you get out into the real world and encounter the same sort of thing in your workplace? Grow up and deal with it....
bd (anonymous) says…
The real issue is that Lew came up with this grand plan for the gridiron club, sold the idea to everyone, and then the football team loses !
Lew has to save face , so his only option is to blame someone for his big mess!
laughingatallofu (anonymous) says…
It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Lew go. When athletics becomes more about luxury boxes (money), gridiron clubs (money), facilities (money), donations to the Williams Fund (money), pricing people out of attending athletic events (money), etc. (money), than about athletics, there's something wrong. And Lew (money) is the root of the wrongness.
ksjayhawk81 (anonymous) says…
Im on Manginos side! I think todays kids are way to soft, its like going into the military and crying because they yelled at you at basic! Come on be a man.. and why if he did this before why didnt they come forward then.. hmm? go jayhawks!
stingray (anonymous) says…
Does anyone else find it interesting that the spokesperson for the disgruntled student athletes is the kid who got in trouble because he let another player car-surf on his car? Why is the media rushing to his opinion on this matter? Is he upset because Mangino got mad because he is a moron? Please - no more from Crawford.
It's unfortunate that the public is making assumptions based upon statements from current and former players - a large number of these players didn't feel that they got playing time or were treated fairly for car-surfing related discipline.
Obviously, the timing of this is the biggest issue. These behavioral issues have been known for years. For Perkins, it's all about money. Team on a skid, rebuilding team next year, terrible idea of Gridiron Club and no one wants to buy tickets for it = Lew Perkins deciding that the coach is the major problem.
I would rather have a good coach (Mangino) who had an unfortunate year this year than an Athletic Director whose only drive is the money coming into the department. If anyone thinks this is about anything other than money - take a closer look at Perkins. He just wants a new coach and doesn't want to have to pay out the remainder of the contract on the one he has. "Behavioral issue" allegations are his way to do that.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
how is this year unfortunate? isn't mangino the coach? he gets credit for 2007, but for the failure in conference play in the last two years it's not his fault?
babyjontheway (anonymous) says…
I am backing My Man Mangino 100% and any tride and true jayhawk would too. He did nothing wrong, you don't like being yelled at don't go in to football I am pretty sure the arts department is looking for some new dancers for nutcracker.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
That's right. Dollar signs.
chestylion (anonymous) says…
Here is an interesting story.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports....
garyr (anonymous) says…
I hope Mr. Pink does get that petition going. I would love to see Lew out of here. If he drafts that up, or I will with his approval and editing, I would be the first one to sign it! ..Keep Mangino...Fire Perkins! Keep Mangino....Fire Perkins! Keep Mangino...Fire Perkins!!!!!!
let's go jayhawks!!!! Stand up to the man and don't back down. If they fire Mangino, and keep Lew, I will never, ever give another dime of my money to the University. That includes, merchandise, athletics...Nothing!!!
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
Truner Gill. Great choice. A 4-7 MAC coach.
Lew needs a big name like an ex NFL coach to keep boosters happy. Not a coach from a lesser program with a worse record then Mangino.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
the way i see it, it's completely within perkins power to meet with the players only, especially if its based on multiple reports and concerns from the players regarding the coach. who is the boss here?
freedomgap (anonymous) says…
Hey Fat Man,
How's the lard and butter diet going? You're a disgrace.
Biggest Loser won't even alow you to compete.
On your radio show you said "15 minutes of fame.." it's 15 seconds of fame, from the famous quote you might have heard if you passed any course in college besides Athletes Foot Care.
Please retire and join a fat farm.
hilary (anonymous) says…
babyjon, not necessary to make fun of the fine arts at all. You're also crazy to think a dance teacher isn't a tough coach. You're obviously oblivious, but making a joke, so I understand. I agree with you, however, regarding your sentiments about toughening up. If we weren't having the losing record we are, I'm sure this would not have even come up.
manONmoon (anonymous) says…
It's too late now to keep Mangino. Every other school battling to get the same recruits as us is going to use this against us. Kansas isn't a program that can get players based on our name. We have to let him go and bring in someone new. Kansas has a new facilities and a new name, we can definitely find some one equal to, if not better than Mangino.
garyr (anonymous) says…
My predictions. I think I'm shooting at about 90% - 95% correct.
Kirk Ferentz = Notre Dame
Bob Stoops = Iowa
Mark Mangino = OU
Turner Gill = KU
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
"Truner Gill. Great choice. A 4-7 MAC coach." Larry -
I don't get it either. Edsall or Skip Holtz. The Phil Fulmer mention was interesting.
Gary - Well, you are either going to be 100, 75, 50, 25, or 0%. I'm betting on 0%. I'm not trying to be an ass, I just don't see how any of those are possible.
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
KU sports board chatter is Gruden.
pfunk81 (anonymous) says…
freedomgap, you are a grade A idiot.
garyr (anonymous) says…
Larry, not to be rude, but Gruden just signed an extension w/ ESPN and Monday Night Football. I doubt he's coming to Lawrence. Turner Gill is your coach. Accept it, as hard as it may be, and move on.
leedavid (anonymous) says…
I played safety at LSU in the 70's (I know you weren't born then) and you don't want to know what Coach Charlie McClendon said to us. or Coach Bear Bryant at Alabama for that matter. I can only imagine what would have happened if we said, Coach Charlie was mean to me.
I do have to admit, something very serious is going on with this team. Changing defensive strategies in midseason. Head coach taking over offensive play calling during a game. These are signs of a coaching staff that does not have its act together. I feel for the seniors.
stingray (anonymous) says…
Freedomgap - are you referring to the famous Andy Warhol quote "In the future, everyone will be world famous for fifteen minutes" when you were trying to mock Mangino? Just wondering who first made your "fifteen seconds" quote famous. Please educate us.....
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
I don't have a copy of Gruden's ESPN contract so I'm not sure what it allows him. Gruden's a bigger hot head then Mangino anyway so all the cry babies would not be happy.
I would be suprised if the people with the money would support Gill as a choice. He is a nobody with a losing record. A choice like that could get Lew fired.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
"Mister_Pink (Anonymous) says…
Pepper Rogers said it best when he said, “Boys if you're willing to play for me, you got to be willing to die for me!” Now that's a badass coach. He made guys finish out practice with broken bones, with internal bleeding. I can't count the times I pissed blood in the locker room. People just don't understand what college football is really all about. In college football, if it doesn't kill you, literally kill you, it WILL make you stronger. Pansies today just don't get it."
I'm glad the evolution of humans leads us to be more reasonable rather than less reasonable. Is life a means for winning at football? Is football that important? Is it basically a cover for S&M tendencies? Is the "macho" aspect of it a way to overcome the latent homosexual tendancies of men who like to touch all over each other and beat each other up? Were you a top or bottom?
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
What about Nolan Cromwell. Ex ku qb. nfl ass. coach for years. Tex A&M off. coach right now.
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
Tony88,
I'm fine with you being gay and the gay population but don't confuse homosexuality with competition. Homo's and hetro's both play sports for the competition, not a sexual thrill.
tony88 (anonymous) says…
what does competition have to do with a glorification of sadistic and masochistic attitudes?
tony88 (anonymous) says…
more specifically, how does pride in suffering internal bleeding reinforce the spirit of sport?
how does pride in being degraded by a "superior" support the spirit of competition?
garyr (anonymous) says…
red devil.....Do your research before spitting such meaningless babble on this board. Your next coach is going to be Turner Gill. Until you can come up with a better scenario, calm down. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
garyr (anonymous) says…
Here you go red_devil and everyone else doubting good old garyr. alfie's on top of it....
alfie (Anonymous) says…
Jayhawks an option for Buffalo's Gill?
Posted by John Taylor on November 20, 2009 8:02 AM ET
The talk of late, since the Western Kentucky job came open, is that a candidate for the head-coaching vacancy would be Buffalo's Turner Gill.
The rumors, to be honest, never made much sense from the start. First of all, and no offense to the Hilltoppers intended, but a move to the Sun Belt conference — to a team that's just in its first year as a full-fledged member of Div. 1-A — would be a step backwards career-wise, especially for a coach whose name has been attached to openings for schools currently residing in BcS conferences.
Secondly, it would be a step backwards for Gill financially. Gill currently makes at least 50 percent more than what David Elson pulled in at WKU, and it's highly unlikely the school could/would come up to the level of a MAC school.
So, what's all of this leading to? A solid rumor attaching Gill's name to a BcS school.
According to the Buffalo News, should the situation at Kansas become even more untenable and Mark Mangino and the school “part ways”, Gill would likely become an immediate front runner to fill the opening.
The job UB fans should be worried about if it comes open is Kansas. Jayhawks coach Mark Mangino's tenure seems a bit unsteady as the university probes allegations that he verbally abused players and had physical contact with them, including poking linebacker Arist Wright in the chest during a walk-through practice in October. Gill has a relationship with Jayhawks AD Lew Perkins and he has a long storied history in the Big 12 as an assistant at Nebraska. And Gill's daughter, Jordan, is a student at KU.
If — or should it be “when”? — Mangino ultimately finds himself on the outs, it would make perfect sense for Gill to be a candidate for the position. Whether or not he would want to put himself into the middle of such a volatile work environment, though, would be another issue entirely.
LarryNative (anonymous) says…
gary,
Do you think Lew will make the final decision without the support of the money guys? The money guys saved Mnaginos job a few years back when Lew wanted to fire him. I'm not saying Gil won't be a candidate but just as KU would be a step forward for Gil, it would be a step back for KU football.
garyr (anonymous) says…
If Lew ain't happy, ain't no one happy. And Lew ain't gonna be happy unless Gill is the coach. Turner Gill will be KU's next football coach.
Hills_KU2007 (anonymous) says…
Too much damage has been done to the program. period. It doesn't matter if you love Mangino or hate Mangino. What's done is done, what has been brought out to the public is...gues what...public knowledge now. Whether it's true or not, the majority of us will never know. But there is no way the KU Administration can bring back Mangino after this year. It's called damage control, and if Mangino comes back, it leaves an extremely awful image on the University of Kansas. I don't know who to believe and at this point, it does not matter. Mangino's out, so all you rich alum/supporters of KU, get your check books ready.
rtpayton (anonymous) says…
Mangino will not when coach of the year this year; but, how long ago was it when the AP named him coach of the year?
bevy (anonymous) says…
"Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino denied recent accusations that he has made a habit of *orally abusing players* during his eight-year tenure in Lawrence."
Sheesh, I thought he just poked them in the chest.
Seriously, do J-W reporters even have J-school degrees? Or English degrees? I think the word you want here is verbally, as in verbally abusing players.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
"Your next coach is going to be Turner Gill. "
This is the falsest thing I've read today. Until I read this..
"Bob Stoops. Period."
rgh (anonymous) says…
password,
You totally missed the sarcasm in the post. My point was Mangino claims this is mostly from players who were bitter. My point was Mortensen's view exactly. How can a guy with those rings and wins be bitter without cause?
I think Lew is just biding his time and getting through the season before saying goodbye to Mangino. Despite the wins you can't treat players like a piece of meat and not get bitten eventually.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
"I think “orally abusing players” means he was trying to eat them.
"
haha. I was thinking something else, but it was awful.
bevy (anonymous) says…
Not a mental picture I needed, either.
rtpayton (anonymous) says…
Lew spent the KU Football bowl money now he needs to raise more? Lew guessed that KU football was again headed to the orange bowl back when KU was 5-0 and #16 in the polls. Preplanning backfired this time since the money went to the tiolet bowl. Sorry KSU may not be in the tiolet bowl but a real bowl game!
srj (anonymous) says…
Pulled this from LMFAO blog (band who played the Granada last night)....
"After thrift shopping with the Shwayze boys, Reek, Nikole and I had dinner at Buffalo Wild Wings. The paparazzi were out in full force, but it turned out they weren’t there for us, but for the University of Kansas football coach. The entire restaurant applauded when he walked in."
jumpin_catfish (anonymous) says…
The Mangenie is out of the bottle.
ranger73 (anonymous) says…
Turner Gill learned under Tom Osborne at Nebraska-he was on the short list to be the coach at NU, who took Pelini. He has built a program at Buffalo that just joined the D-1 ranks a year or 2 ago. Assuming Mangino is gone (don't see how he can stay at this point) Gill would not be a bad candidate. Win-loss records don't mean everything. The big question is does he still have enough ties to recruit with the big boys of the conference. Given the talent, he can probably do well coaching in the "big time," but can he get the talent here?
BorderRuffian (anonymous) says…
Gosh and golly guys, I gotta ask the obvious, albeit insensitive and politically incorrect question here.
If Mangino, aka "Porky" is the football coach whose boss is AD Lew Perkins, why is it that Mr. Perkins didn't intervene long ago to stop the alleged abuses? As Mangino's boss, wasn't he the ultimate authority who should have stepped in to prevent what has been alleged?
Lew? Are you listening? Lew - where were you?
camper (anonymous) says…
Not saying this is the case here at KU, and I am a KU football fan and Mangino supporter for sure. I also like Lew Perkins.
But what I disagree with on these boards is the assumption that these KU Football players are somehow soft for bringing forth a grievance. If these complaints are valid, letting them go and falling in line would be the more passive or weaker alternative. There are times in life when you follow the orders of your superiors, but there are also times when this authority must be questioned.
Following ones own instincts and beliefs is often just as an important part of life as following the discipline and orders of authority figures. Mangino may unknowingly be providing both of these lessons via his persona.