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There basically are only two approaches to take to the man who carried out the Fort Hood massacre.

November 14, 2009

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In the flood of theories about the murder siege at Fort Hood, Texas, too many analysts are going to extremes to try to explain, even justify, what happened and how it should be dealt with.

Bottom line, there are really only two items to consider. Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan either is insane and should be confined for life in a mental institution or he is a domestic terrorist with ties to the Middle East and should be executed. Several television commentators have gone overboard in describing how “the Muslim gentleman” is being dealt with in the hospital. He did the crime and needs to do whatever version of “the time” is appropriate after a fair trial.

We are given the message that the rampant psychiatrist was distraught about facing deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. While he never has been in a war zone, some are saying he generated a personal attitude of combat fatigue after allegedly counseling troubled military people who returned from the war zones. That is a flimsy and disgusting defense.

There is strong evidence that Hasan had been quite outspoken, verbally and electronically, about his feelings toward America and its policies. The depressing aspect of all this is that while there were numerous indications of the man’s tendencies, nobody decided he should be taken out of situations where he could put others in harm’s way. We can only imagine the flurry by various human rights zealots had such action been taken. We are getting that even now, after the fact.

One of Hasan’s comments was to the effect that Hasan and his Islamic allies value death far more than Americans value life. A number of capable people have not ruled out the possibility he was acting on behalf of some radical group such as the Taliban or al-Qaida.

Justifying the killings on the basis of his religion beliefs is a poor defense. President Barack Obama analyzed it perfectly:

“It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy,” Obama said at a memorial service in Texas. “But this much we do know: No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.”

There is little doubt that defense attorneys will try to use the “insanity plea” if Hasan lives to stand trial. If mental experts decide the man is so unbalanced he cannot be given a normal trial, then the verdict should be “guilty but insane.” Then he should be locked away so he never again can prey on society, military or domestic.

The evidence, however, is that Nidal Malik Hasan is an out-and-out terrorist who planned to attack Americans and is guilty of killing 13 and wounding 30. It is sad that the signs of anti-American violence he flashed were not heeded and dealt with in time to prevent the Fort Hood tragedy. It will be even sadder if various ruses are employed to protect him from the capital punishment he deserves.

Comments

Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

It's "simple," jaywalker: It's not Islam that promotes violence, as much as a small subset of individual Muslims. If what you allege is true, then why don't we see a much greater number of Muslims committing a much greater number of terrorist acts? How come we don't see 30%, 40%, even 60% of the global Muslim population committing these acts?

Again, I will ask: Are we talking about individuals, or an entire belief system?

You're welcome to try and support your contention with hard evidence--as it is, the "numbers" lean more heavily towards me, than you.

--Ag

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parrotuya 4 years, 5 months ago

There could be other reasons: maybe he could not find a woman, maybe he had financial problems, maybe he had enough of army life. The investigation is not complete. As for the cops. Military police gererally carry 9mm pea-shooters. They should be packing .40 cal weapons at the very least. A .45 caliber pistol would be even better.

"One shot, one kill." It's the only way to be sure.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

No, jaywalker - the 'same old idgits'. It's like clockwork.

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

"So… does Christianity justify acts of violence against doctors, and some of their clinics?"

Always funny; point out the violence inherent with Islam and some idgit has to swoop in and post something about Christianity. More than one hundred armed conflicts in the world today and 90% involve muslims; the Quran spells out exactly what should happen to 'non-believers' unless they convert - death; this guy shoots up 51 people in the name of Allah.............but agno wants to compare it all to ONE Christian extremist every 5 years sniping an abortioin doctor because they want to save children's lives.

Brrrrrrrilliant!!!!!!!!!!

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ComradeRedRooster 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm not certain who I offended but my comparison of the media handling of the Fort Hood terrorist act and the media handling of the recent child abuse scandal was merely an observation. I guess Islam is completely off limits.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“But this much we do know: No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.”

Where ya been, Mr. President? Islam justifies exactly these kinds of murderous and craven acts.


Not according to these Islamic scholars:

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545840

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

After learning he is paralyzed and may be in severe pain the rest of his life I say give him life in prison

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

"Okay Bozo, I will go over it to clear up your mind."

Thanks, Thing, for clearing up the chronology of events, but my mind was already sufficiently clear.

"Hasan is the darling of the media. They have been treating him with kid gloves as to not upset mooslims."

Really? Care to provide examples?

"Open season on Christians, leave the darling mooslims alone."

Comrade, these particular Christians are suspected pedophiles. What are you defending? Their professed Christianity, or their pedophilia?

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“But this much we do know: No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.”

Where ya been, Mr. President? Islam justifies exactly these kinds of murderous and craven acts.


Really?

So... does Christianity justify acts of violence against doctors, and some of their clinics?

Or do certain "Christians" justify these acts?

Are we talking about individuals, or an entire belief system?

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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ComradeRedRooster 4 years, 5 months ago

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wordgenie8 4 years, 5 months ago

I heartily agree with GlOckOwn3R: the title of this editorial is an insult to intelligent life and thinking people. Life-and-death matters are never simple--except perhaps to the simple-minded.

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

“But this much we do know: No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.”

Where ya been, Mr. President? Islam justifies exactly these kinds of murderous and craven acts.

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wordgenie8 4 years, 5 months ago

Not everyone believes in the death penalty: the premise of your argument is wrong. Even when faced with the most heinous of crimes civilized societies do not stoop to "an eye for an eye". We are(morally) blind enough already.

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Thing 4 years, 5 months ago

Okay Bozo, I will go over it to clear up your mind. 1. Shooting started in large building full of processing troops. 2. Call goes out, to include off-post police department. 3. Arrival time for female civilian police officer is 3 minutes. 4. During that time, the shooter runs to another buildig and is intercepted by female cop. 5. Exchange of gunfire between police and shooter. I have seen joint partols off post and have been involved im a high-speed chase on post even though I was a city cop at the time.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

The report I heard was that it was a woman who shot him, and that she was a member of the military.

Regardless, putting a bullet in his head when he was already subdued would have been a mistake on many levels, regardless of whether it was done by the military or the police-- if for no other reason, if he's dead, he can't say why he did it, or if anyone else might have been involved.

And assuming it was the civilian police who shot him, since when do local police do patrols on military bases? Do the military police need backing up?

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

Do some research, bozo. It was the police who put some lead into Mr. Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

I do not understand the issue.

Start the trial, review the evidence - did he do what witnesses say, does forensic evidence corroborate testimonies? No need for the defendant to even open his peeper. If guilty, there's a rope that needs stretching, and a ditch that needs filling.

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bennyoates 4 years, 5 months ago

Did Dolph Simons really write this? I have my doubts, since I would expect him to name the President as a co-conspirator in the massacre. I'm sure that one of the usual rightwing suspects will make that charge any minute now.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

frwent-- This happened on a military base, so I doubt that the police were even on the scene until well after he'd already been shot several times, and presumably unconscious.

And if you don't understand the reason why summary justice is a bad idea, for all of us----

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 5 months ago

My only comment is that the Killeen, Texas police need to have their officers spend more time on the target range. This degenerate should have been shot about 20 times to assure that he would not end up in a hospital to be patched up, and then prosecuted, all at the public expense that non-criminal sick people cannot receive. Health care for murdering bastards should be stopped immediately. If he was seen by many killing many, then the necessity for political correctness and rights of citizenship should be forgotten. He should be very, very dead and cremated and tossed in a dumpster. This will cost the taxpayers a whole lot to cure this "case" against another muslim extremist terrorist. ((Oh, sorry, I forgot, murdering bastards caught in the act need to be patched up, tried and THEN shot on a wall at taxpayer expense, MY bad)

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Like many of the extremist malcontents that usually post here, Bill Kristol is lustin' for a lynchin' ...

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/13/kristol-hasan-trial/

The editorial claims that Hasan is either crazy, or a terrorist. But isn't being a terrorist its own special brand of "crazy?"

Doesn't terrorism require a disconnect from reality, a distortion of facts, and a perversion of things that are usually intended for good, rather than evil? (Well, come to think of it, so does the 2009 American brand of neoconservative theocracy ... ;) )

Third verse, same as the first:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/nov/12/muslims-troops-deserve-support/#c1047624

--Ag

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm certain if you want to look hard enough, you can find someone attempting to justify Hasan's actions, bk, but it certainly isn't a common enough sentiment to justify the implication of this editorial.

BTW, as I have pointed out on other threads on this topic, there is a difference between "explaining" and "justifying." It's perfectly legitimate to include possibly contributing factors in attempting to explain Hasan's actions without it being a justification.

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Brent Garner 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually, bozo, there have been several Islamic sources here in the US who have sought to justify Maj Hasan's actions. Apparently you have not read of them.

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Linda and Bill Houghton 4 years, 5 months ago

Assuming he is found sane and guilty, sentence him to life in prison (in solitary confinement) with no posibility of parole. Do not give him the satisfaction of becoming a martyr.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

"In the flood of theories about the murder siege at Fort Hood, Texas, too many analysts are going to extremes to try to explain, even justify, what happened"

Justify? Nobody I've read is trying to justify his actions. With a straw man opening like that, no intelligent discussion could follow.

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RKLOG 4 years, 5 months ago

Like an anonymous editorial to the LJworld is going to get anything done either.

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