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No arrests made in gun incident outside Cross Town Tavern

May 17, 2009


No arrests made in gun incident outside Cross Town Tavern

Lawrence police officers were sent to an East Lawrence bar after they received calls saying someone was outside waving a gun. Enlarge video

Police said they issued a citation, but made no arrests, in a disturbance-with-weapons case outside of Cross Town Tavern, 1910 Haskell Ave.

Susan Hadl, a sergeant with the Lawrence Police Department, said that officers were dispatched to the scene at 1:50 a.m. Callers told emergency dispatchers that somebody was waving a gun around outside of the bar.

"A long-existing dispute between parties, who were patrons of the bar, developed into an argument," Hadl said. "It carried over into the parking lot outside of the bar. One individual vowed to return with a weapon and, moments later, did so."

Witnesses told police that the 39-year-old man waved the weapon around haphazardly, uttered some angry words and got into the passenger side of a red Chevrolet truck. Hadl said the parking lot was "chaotic" by the time police arrived.

"Vehicles were leaving, people were scurrying," she said. Police then attempted to secure the parking lot. They stopped the red truck and another truck leaving the scene, discovering that the occupants of both vehicles were "prime players in the incident."

They scoured the red truck but were unable to find a weapon. When they inspected the other vehicle, a Dodge pickup, they found a handgun. The 45-year-old owner was cited for having a weapon in close proximity to a bar.

Police exhausted measures to find a weapon connected to the original suspect, Hadl said. She said they would write a report and forward it to prosecutors.

She asked anybody with information or eyewitness details to call Lawrence police at 841-7210. Those who wish to remain anonymous can call Crime Stoppers, 843-TIPS.


Chris Ogle 8 years, 11 months ago

Busy night in Lawrence.. Two incidents involving guns, and the third was attempted robbery. Man... what is going on in this town.

I can hear it now..... Folks from Topeka blaming crimes on the Lawrencians.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 11 months ago

more guns, more guns, more guns. Marion logic in play.

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 11 months ago

these thing shave been going on for years just different locations I would venture a guess it has more to do with the same crowds migrating to and from different bars as they either become popular or their favorite closes down.

Here are a couple I remember from hot spots years ago. Amazing the same comments were being made back then and no one is modifying their behavior to curb the problems ...

del888 8 years, 11 months ago

"The 45-year-old owner was cited for having a weapon in close proximity to a bar."

I have to admit that I don't know the gun laws, but just how close is "close proximity". What is the legal definition? I'm thinkin that you can't have a gun at all in downtown Lawrence because you would always be in "close proximity to a bar". Does anybody know exactly how close is 'too close'?

somebodynew 8 years, 11 months ago

del888 - I can't remember the specifics but the City adopted an ordinance a couple of years back and it is either 200 or 300 feet to a bar. And yes, you are correct, with the number of bars in downtown pretty much anywhere is in range.

I think this was passed during the Last Call days as patrons would park in the Border's lot with their guns. It has been enforced elsewhere though, just to be fair.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 11 months ago

I thought that Lawrence's distance to a bar ordinance has been set aside by state law.

Kansas Personal and Family Protection Act K.S.A. 75-7c01 et seq. Updated 7/1/2008 "75-7c17. Legislative findings regarding uniform standards for licensing and regulation; certain local ordinances and resolutions inapplicable to licensees; limitations on authority of attorney general; liberal construction of act. (a) The legislature finds as a matter of public policy and fact that it is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing licenses to carry concealed weapons for selfdefense and finds it necessary to occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed weapons for selfdefense to ensure that no honest, law-abiding person who qualifies under the provisions of this act is subjectively or arbitrarily denied the person's rights. No city, county or other political subdivision of this state shall regulate, restrict or prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons by persons licensed under this act except as provided in subsections (a)(1) and (a)(2) of K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 75-7c11, and amendments thereto. Any existing or future law, ordinance, rule, regulation or resolution enacted by any city, county or other political subdivision of this state that regulates, restricts or prohibits the carrying of concealed weapons by persons licensed under this act except as provided in subsections (a)(1) and (a)(2) of K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 75-7c11, and amendments thereto, shall be null and void."

somebodynew 8 years, 11 months ago


You are correct (and I forgot that), but that law deals with LICENSED concealed carry people. I somehow doubt that most of the patrons of the Cross Town (or the defunct Last Call) or Axis fit into the category of CCHer's. In fact, I would doubt that the people accused of this can even legally posses a firearm.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 11 months ago

once again, the Crosstown cavern strikes again. did any of the people in this "long standing" disagreement own a zebra print coat?

so, if both parties have such a simmering hostility, why do they insist on frequenting the same bar!?

I love it, the parkinglot was "chaotic." "phasers on kill!"

also, I believe the frequency of such insidents has increased since Brian Lewis-jones started working for the newspaper; these events sure seem to happen a lot on his watch. hmmm.

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