Archive for Sunday, March 29, 2009

Police investigating shooting outside Club Axis, as well as two other incidents overnight

Lawrence police responded to a number of incidents Saturday night including gunshots in East Lawrence, an armed robbery and a shooting at Club Axis.

March 29, 2009, 3:14 a.m. Updated March 29, 2009, 9:36 a.m.

Lawrence police are investigating a shooting that occurred early Sunday morning in the parking lot of Club Axis, 821 Iowa.

A 25-year-old Lawrence man who was shot was taken by friends to Lawrence Memorial Hospital, where he was treated for nonlife-threatening injuries. An officer on routine patrol heard a gunshot in the parking lot of the nightclub at 2:05 a.m. Sunday.

Lawrence police Sgt. Ted Bordman said officers interviewed witnesses and searched the parking lot directly west of Club Axis.

The club has been connected to several incidents of violence. Among them: On March 7, a 27-year-old Lawrence man arrested in connection with a double stabbing incident that began as two vehicles left Club Axis. One vehicle cut off another as they traveled southbound on Iowa Street, leading to the fight in the parking lot of Burger King, 1301 W. 23rd St.

On June 1 of last year, a Taser was used on a man who was attacking a police officer outside Club Axis, and last March, police seized a gun from a car parked near the club.

Club Axis was also the site of a May 2007 brawl that led to two arrests. Two men were arrested for allegedly kicking and hitting a man found lying on the ground outside the club.

Police also are investigating two other incidents that occurred early Sunday:

• About 12:42 a.m. Sunday, police were called by area residents who heard gunshots in the 1500 block of Oak Hill Avenue, about a mile east of Massachusetts Street. Lawrence police Sgt. Paul Fellers said that officers discovered a residence and a vehicle that had been struck by several gunshots. The residents were home at the time, but no one was injured.

• About 25 minutes later, police were called to 11th and Vermont streets, where three Lawrence residents told officers a man armed with a knife robbed them. The suspect demanded the victims’ wallets, and punched one of the victims after obtaining only one wallet, Fellers said. The suspect is described as a white man with a goatee in his late 20s, about 5 feet, 9 inches tall. The man, who was wearing a brown hoodie, was last seen running northwest.

No further information on any of these crimes was available Sunday night. Anyone with information is asked to call the police department at 832-7509 or leave an anonymous message on the TIPS hot line at 832-TIPS (8471).


Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 11 months ago

What in the heck is going on in Lawrence? This is the 3rd incident in what, four days?

Clare Galloway 8 years, 11 months ago

Lawrence is just crazy--sounds like were in a war here!!!

The_Voice_of_Reason 8 years, 11 months ago

I guess when you break up a hornet's nest (Last Call) the hornets spread out else where... Just a theory...

John Hamm 8 years, 11 months ago

Figures after you folks call Last Call "the root of all evil in Lawrence" and it's shut down you still try to find a way to blame the problems it didn't cause that are worse now on it!

lionheart72661 8 years, 11 months ago

The_Voice_of_Reason (Anonymous) says…

I guess when you break up a hornet's nest (Last Call) the hornets spread out else where… Just a theory…............

"I agree I do believe i said something similar to that a few days ago, but you stated it much better."

OonlyBonly (Anonymous) says…

Figures after you folks call Last Call “the root of all evil in Lawrence” and it's shut down you still try to find a way to blame the problems it didn't cause that are worse now on it!..............

"Think about it just like stated above they have to have somewhere else to nest"

Piggles 8 years, 11 months ago

Again??????? Need to take Club Axis out and put Village Inn back in- what good food they had. Really miss it.

jhawkfan05 8 years, 11 months ago

I get so sick of hearing about all these shooting and all these stabbing......I wish they would just close every damn bar in lawrence and it will stop all this crap. One of these nights someone that has nothing to do with whatever the issue is will be shot and hurt really bad!!!! CLOSE THE CLUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt Bowers 8 years, 11 months ago

People from the surrounding area come to Lawrence because it is a lot of fun. The reason it is a lot of fun is because the college students have boundless money to spend and as a result, there is a lot of cool attractions. The flip side to having this amount of attractions is that you are going to attract the undesirable's who want to try and live the college life, get with a college student, or sell drugs. They can't live the college life because at the end of the night they are not heading back to campus to sleep it off, which is probably a harsh reality. No matter how hard they try, they come off as creeps to the college students and usually never score. The ones that sell drugs, I don't know there bag.

Just my thought. Maybe the city council should consider that there be mandatory hiring of off duty police officers at clubs where there have been such incidents. They should be working the club and the parking lots. This way when something goes down, there will be better information about it being shared. Like I said, just a thought.

KLATTU 8 years, 11 months ago

"What in the heck is going on in Lawrence?"

The same thing that's going on everywhere. Poor people growing up playing with guns, and thinking thug life is their only option. There's nothing you can do but put them in jail once they're grown. But if you can get to them as kids, make sure they get a good breakfast, keep them in school, and offer them a chance at a decent life with a college education they might think twice before throwing their life away in a bar parking lot.

Oh wait, we just cut all the education funding! Never mind.

Charlie Sabotage 8 years, 11 months ago

i think it's just bad people. shut the bars down, fine. the problem is the people will still be around. if they aren't shooting at bars they'll do it at homes and in sleeping neighborhoods. yes, the clubs give a better opportunity for encounters and heighten incidents with alcohol. i'm sure people would just get their booze from the liqour store and take it into residential areas. armed guards may be a great idea.i don't think i would take that job though, the police may need to station themselves in every lot they possibly can at closing. otherwise we can let people kill each other in parking lots, hopefully our law enforcement can catch the idiots with guns and solve the problem.

jaywalker 8 years, 11 months ago


Nothing good happens after two in the mornin'.

Scott Drummond 8 years, 11 months ago

It sure is a good thing that we're building nice big roads to make it easier for the thugs and criminals from Topeka and Kansas City to expand their criminal turf. Think there'd be as many if they all had to pay the Turnpike toll?

And growth, growth, growth, that's what Lawrence needs. That's the mantra of the developturds and the City politicians they employ. Isn't the resulting quality of life a great improvement?

lionheart72661 8 years, 11 months ago

You know I grew up in Junction City in the 70's and drove taxi there in 1979. It was nothing to see a gun or a knife pulled out inside my cab for various reasons (no i was never robbed). We have Ft Riley and K-State right near by and still do but we are 60 miles from Topeka and 120miles from Kansas City which makes it far more feesable to come to Lawrence. As far as money on the college students and more to do yes and no. 1) I don't think these college students have near the money as a soldier does coming back from Iraq or Afganahstan. What the Junction city commission did was wipe out the "DANGEROUS" clubs and zoned one area for clubs and bars only. Great idea and it works. I left the "HELLHOLE" in 1979 and returned in 2003 and Junction City was and is a much nicer quieter place. Close down the clubs? no, rezone 1 part of lawrence for clubs and bars? yes. Oh you can grandfather in the quiet little mom and pop type estanlishments. The answer is centralize the clubs and beef up patrols to those areas and i can guarantee it will work. Junction City is proof positive.

triplegoddess13 8 years, 11 months ago

You want mandatory hiring of off duty police officers at clubs? Where do you plan on getting the funds for that since the city can't pay the police officers they have on staff right now? Why do you think police officers are so under staffed and over worked as it is? Make the clubs pay for their own security and crowd control. The police force have enough problems going on in the rest of the city at night.

TheYetiSpeaks 8 years, 11 months ago

scott 3460 says: "And growth, growth, growth, that's what Lawrence needs. That's the mantra of the developturds and the City politicians they employ. Isn't the resulting quality of life a great improvement?"

Wow. How awesome of you to take a story about someone getting shot and use it to spew your political agenda. Sorry, I don't see how keeping new jobs from coming to Lawrence has any impact or relevance to this story. The REAL problem here isn't clubs, Topeka, or Lawrence (non) growth. The problem is a whole generation raised without common sense because their lazy ass parents couldn't be bothered to, you know, have conversations with their children, instead leaving them to their own devices and pumping them full of anti-depressants their whole childhood. We've raised an entire generation of wussy men who can't settle things with their fists. They idolize the "Gangsta" culture and why wouldn't they? Here's a group where your "family", property and territory are the most important things and if someone comes at you, your people got your back. I wonder what kids who grew up with a father who ignored them (assuming he was around...which is a leap) and a mother so depressed to care could possibly see in that. Rant over.

Fugu 8 years, 11 months ago

It sounds like there was already an officer in the parking lot when it happened. It seems to me that LPD has officers set up in these locations already. 13th and Ohio is always packed with officers.

And those calling for ALL of the bars to be shut-down; that is ridiculous. The problem is these "club" like places that attract the thugs from KC and Topeka. Places like Axis and Liquid. The Hawk is kind of borderline. I was surprised to see a shooting there. Most bars, especially on mass street, you'll never see an incident like this.

phenommenom 8 years, 11 months ago

Axis & Last Call....What about the Wheel? I recall there was also a shooting there; and the shooter was from Overland Park. You people are so quick to assume that all criminals are black and are from Topeka and Kansas City!

ksmax 8 years, 11 months ago

WTF Wow it is getting to where good people that want to go out and have a few drinks with friends at the clubs have to now worry about this crap! What is going on!!

AlAlvin 8 years, 11 months ago

Let's build a wall around the city, That we can have border guards search the people and cars that come in and we can also charge a fee to enter our fine city.

HermioneElliott 8 years, 11 months ago

This is being blown up out of all proportion. I think it was just an argument that became heated and someone reached for a gun in anger. Doubtless the shooter felt provoked. At the time it probably seemed like the thing to do. I think it is still safe to live in Lawrence. I am not going to stay awake worrying about it.

BigPrune 8 years, 11 months ago

scott3460, Lawrence hasn't grown in 10 years. These types of incidents throws out the argument that growth only brings crime. More like, non-growth and lack of good paying jobs brings crime. The lack of good paying jobs was guaranteed with the living wage requirement.

Chris Ogle 8 years, 11 months ago

maybe it's the weather.... feels like summer

RoeDapple 8 years, 11 months ago

I don't go to bars anymore. Haven't for a long time. If I were to be invited by friends to meet at a bar for a little socializing before attending another event I would have no problem with that. I would NOT, however, feel the need to go pick out a favorite handgun to pack with me in case I felt "angered" or "provoked". Lawrence IS a safe place to be. Any time I feel angered or provoked I would consider my best option would be to leave, not out of fear, but for the safety of all involved. Obviously Hermi/Cleo feels otherwise. She would probably blast away, it "seems like the thing to do."

Steve Jacob 8 years, 11 months ago

It not just this club. This is a different city from 11-3 AM, especially on weekends.

And lay off the LPD. It's almost impossible to prevent a shooting. They do a good job of catching the person, and hopefully that person will get locked up.

getserious 8 years, 11 months ago

What you have here boils down to two things. One, kids today are just not as responsible as kids 20 years ago. Because of the Culture of violence that kids get from T.V., movies and music they resort to weapons instead of fists. Two, sure these problems arise in other cities, but Lawrence has been run by LIBERAL, LIBERAL hippies for the past 20 years and won't solve the problem. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what clubs, and what type of clubs cause the problems and cause the wrong element to come to town. Liberals(see Boog and Sue) want to find the reasons "why" someone brought the gun instead of closing the place down that brought him(or her) to town.

tin 8 years, 11 months ago

Getserious I agree with you.

Boston Corbett, get real. A better choice would be more law abiding citizens concealing and carrying. If every criminal had to think "gee I wonder if this person or that one is capable of shooting back" that would make a difference.

Here's what happens with more gun law, see here what is happening in Australia.,8599,1736501,00.html

And by the way you know you can believe the article it comes from Time Magazine and CNN, right from the liberal media.

Boeing 8 years, 11 months ago

getserious - awesome generalization about the youth of america. how about those who are hard working day in and day out, with a high GPA or a great job? try telling them (myself included) that they/we are not as responsible as kids 20 years ago.

Metal_Ink 8 years, 11 months ago

I'm really proud to say that with all the sh*t our police go through with all the people that come into this town... I'm proud to say I love what they TRY to do for my safety and state of mind. I also think people need to start blaming themselves for their actions. People know what's right and wrong and it's ignorant to think that "because you grew up in a different life than some" you can act like your uneducated with no morals. It's just a horrible excuse for poor decisions that no one but the person behind the trigger has control over.

doc1 8 years, 11 months ago

Clubs like Axis that cater to thugs are just like the Last Call. Until you stop catering to these punks there will be a problem. There have already been two homicides linked to Axis, numerous gunshot calls, and stabbings. It's by far turning out to be worse than the Last Call.

1983Hawk 8 years, 11 months ago

tin -

Time Magazine and CNN are bastions of the "liberal" media? Which tool on Fixed News spoon fed you that talking point? Do just a little research on the history of Time magazine and the Luces. And as for CNN, they've been moving right over the last five years as part of the dynamic wherein they are trying to boost ratings by attracting moderate and moderate/conservative viewers who are put off by all the histrionics on your sacred Fixed News (and, yes, by some of the liberals on MSNBC).

greenworld 8 years, 11 months ago

im sure alot of these guys are just letting off some steam from KU losing. lmao

greenworld 8 years, 11 months ago

Go ask Obama maybe he has all the answers. He is on his way to fixing everything....?

greenworld 8 years, 11 months ago

They havent shut down Axis because it is not sitting downtown and there is no heat from the business owners. Also there is no Hobb loft mansion's across the street. HAH

compmd 8 years, 11 months ago

I propose creating an armed neighborhood watch group and getting the city to bless it.

Judgesmails 8 years, 11 months ago

As long as its in these craphole bar parking lots in the middle of the night, then let em shoot each other.

Living out their lifelong dream of pretending to be in a rap video.

Get a job, losers

Christine Anderson 8 years, 11 months ago

Geez, I know I'm painfullly naive, but aside from protecting one's self, family and/or property(and I mean legitimately), is there anything worth shooting or stabbing another person for? Stop and think about it, people. I live in an apt. complex in which there is heavy, heavy, drug trafficking. No, it's not Edgewood. Can't afford to live anywhere else. Besides, this type of thing is everywhere in Lawrence, not just the lower income places. Anyway, in spite of this, I've never been afraid; yet-that is. So far, those who do "business" just mind their own business, and I've never heard any fights breaking out, any gunshots, etc. Hope it stays that way. Just one sidenote- there is sort of a plus side to living in a bldg full of drug dealers. I have two sons, one of whom is profoundly autistic. Once in a while, he has a meltdown in which he screams louder than the atomic bomb. The plus side is that I don't call the cops on their activity, because they have been gracious enough not to call on my son's screaming. So, drug dealers/users and non dealers/users CAN successfully coexist! (ha,ha,ha)

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 11 months ago

So, will the city "do" something, or just hope the violence goes away?

I think it's clear: Lawrence attracts thuggery. Last Call was the shooting gallery of choice, and it got shut down, but the thugging continues at other venues.

I think the commission needs a simple policy: so many shooting incidences, and your club will be shut down. A set number, once that number is reached, lock the doors. Club owners will work harder at maintaining a violence-free culture if they know the hammer is coming down.

lionheart72661 8 years, 11 months ago

HermioneElliott (Anonymous) says…

This is being blown up out of all proportion. I think it was just an argument that became heated and someone reached for a gun in anger. Doubtless the shooter felt provoked. At the time it probably seemed like the thing to do. I think it is still safe to live in Lawrence. I am not going to stay awake worrying about it.

YOU are not serious about that statement are you? Are you not in your right thinking mind? What you are sayiong in reality to all the young people and so called thugs out there that "Hey if you get into an argument, it's ok. Go get your gun, I understand your dilemma." I'll back ya!

Jaylee 8 years, 11 months ago

Pogo (Anonymous) says…

"Can't these guys aim any better?"

i guess that's ONE reason to be happy that gun owners who would use a gun in these situations are probably uneducated? they never took the time to go to target practice

oohmgrover 8 years, 11 months ago

"The suspect is described as a white man with a goatee who is in his late 20s, and is about 5 feet, 9 inches tall. The man, who was wearing a brown hoodie, was last seen running northwest."

It's a sad day when the hippies start up with the violence.

Can't wait until July when my lease is up and I can move back to the real suburbs.

papaya 8 years, 11 months ago

I wonder if the real Hermione Elliott would be offended by the El-Jay Hermione Elliott.

Practicality 8 years, 11 months ago

I just talked to a friend of mine from Topeka. He said he was glad he didn't live in Lawrence. Too much crime, drugs, and violence he said. Hah.

Harpo 8 years, 11 months ago

Future LJW headline:

"Police cite lack of witness cooperation in ongoing Club Axis shooting investigation"

HermioneElliott 8 years, 11 months ago

Sob, sob, I am being so misunderstood! I did not say it is all right to shoot someone, except in self defense, but I did say that when someone is deeply under the influence of alcohol they might really think it is the right thing to do. I was making a bad joke. Like when someone makes a mistake and then says, well, at the time- Will the real Hermione Elliott step forward. Apparently it is a common name.

Danimal 8 years, 11 months ago

What is happening in this town? This is crazy!

Practicality 8 years, 11 months ago

Lawrence's permissive attitude toward drug and acholol abuse is starting to show some flaws Danimal.

ladyrenee 8 years, 11 months ago

Are people conveniently forgetting about The Hawk? Or the stabbing incident? The "thuggery" is obviously not limited to establishments like Axis, so if "gangsta" mentality is your only scapegoat, look outside of your little boxes, and recall when a 16yr old shot and Killed someone in Lawrence. Remember that? These are isolated incidents. Axis is not Last Call, or the Granada or the Bottleneck; so continue to indulge each other with your small minded, biased comments. The bottom line is violence,is violence, and needs to be controlled at a statewide level targeted at the root, be it more regulated concealed weapon laws,down to more stringent security at private establshments.

somebodynew 8 years, 11 months ago

Why do people have trouble understanding basic stories. Most of these happenings take place outside of the bars. People are not taking guns into the bars (for the most part) and the bar owners are going to cry "We can't control what goes on outside - It is not our problem, etc., etc" I have heard it for too many years to care what they say anymore.

I go back to (particularly Axis - which has a lot of problems the LJW doesn't report) if you cater to the "thugs" that is what will come and so will the "thug life crap".

Granted there are incidents at other bars, (and no you can't just shut them all down) but when you start to see a pattern and frequency, then that tells you there is a problem. Now granted, LJW does not report on anything unless someone is hurt, so most people don't know how bad it is.

oohmgrover 8 years, 11 months ago

Two of the three incidents in this particular story are at residences, reading comprehension man.

Gareth Skarka 8 years, 11 months ago

"it is strange for a town the size of Lawrence;"

What an ignorant statement. Lawrence isn't a "town" and hasn't been for a while. It's got a population of 89,000+, and the students push that over 100K.

The average violent crime rate in the US is 469 incidents per year, per 100,000 population. Lawrence's rate is a hair less than the national average.

HermioneElliott 8 years, 11 months ago

There was a mugging at 11th and Vermont where Vermont Towers is. There was an incident over in East Lawrence. This is getting weird. It seems to be happening all at once and I think that is magnifying the effect. A shooting is always serious. Even if the shooter is convinced they have a valid reason which is why they did it in the first place. And, when they are caught they will face the consequence of their action. However, there is quite a bit of crime in New York City and LA and no one is moving out. All we can do is take what precautions we can and continue to live our lives.

dkbrown2006 8 years, 11 months ago

Marlboro_man 2 " I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it was a black male, 24 years old, driving in a dark colored SUV.. Marlboro , wow your kind of thinking enrages me. Who do you think you are to make such an accusation? Why couldn't the person be of any other particular race? Why does he have to be black? But since were on hunches here let me take a "stab" here no pun intended and say that I bet your greatest aspirations in life consist of smoking cigarettes, swearing and going to bars. Should we comment on higher education? How do you findi time to criticize everyone that doesn't meet your high standard of accountability Since you are making this world a better place because you're such a model citizen. And since you are the well intentioned upstanding law biding citizen that everyone should look up, by all means feel free to let the entire community better yet the entire free educated world know what a perfect gent you happen to be in this perfect world you live in. What a guy. that's my two cents.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 11 months ago

scott 5150: And growth, growth, growth, that's what Lawrence needs. That's the mantra of the developturds and the City politicians they employ. Isn't the resulting quality of life a great improvement?

---just amazing. the wackiest post on here by far! growth, which hasn't been happening, caused the bullets to fly, which did happen! huh.

hermione/cleo, better to let people think you might be a fool and keep your silence, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

lwctown 8 years, 11 months ago

People live in Lawrence because it doesnt have all the usual violence and crime.... Put up border crossing gates at the city limits...check people for weapons before the enter the town. I like guns myself but this is idiotic. Smart money says that the shooters are from out of town...AGAIN.

baby_girl 8 years, 11 months ago

How small minded that most of you focus on Club Axis when so many other incidents occurred around Lawrence within this past week? Club Axis is in no way, shape or form like Last Call. No matter what you do, people will always come to Lawrence because it’s smack dab in the middle of an area where people do hang out and party. Get rid of the clubs and bars in Lawrence? Really? Wow, how stupid does that sound? That’s never going to happen and if it did, all you would do is see the same incidents that happen in every other city and that is now happening here, happen wherever people get together in groups. Grow up, people. We all have been exposed to fights and incidents after too much indulgence in liquor. Go back to your grandparents time where they probably didn’t shoot each other, but they still beat the pulp out of people that made them mad during their drinking time. It’s the same thing! You can still die from a simple beating if a blow is placed right. The only issue that should be pointed out here is the fact that people are carrying guns and using them to settle their problems. The problem is not the club itself; it’s the people that don’t know how to conduct themselves. Grow up. Quit running your mouths when you don’t know what you’re talking about and quit being so violent. I don’t want violence and crime in Lawrence, but it’s here and there’s nothing we can do about it but learn to deal with it. Not every person is bad and not every establishment is bad. Stop focusing on Club Axis when it isn’t the only place having incidents occur; you’ve got the shooting outside the hawk, stabbing outside of set em up jacks, fights down on Massachusetts, Vermont, etc., fights happening at the local eateries. Wow…need I say more?

Danimal 8 years, 11 months ago

I'll agree that the problem isn't with Club Axis, the problem is with Lawrence. We've got drive-by shootings and all kinds of violent acts taking place all over the east side of town, and our police are still having to beg to carry Tazers. Well guess what, everyone wanted Lawrence to be big, and now it is. At this point we can decide to make certain improvements and changes within our community to keep the scum from coming into town and shooting the place up, or we can slowly cede our city to the criminals. This isn't something that everyone should just accept as a part of life. Those of us that live here year round, and like living here will have to make sure the necessary changes are made. If it means closing down the Hawk because it's an underage watering hole, then so be it. Lawrence needs to start thinking about crime prevention objectively instead of the "it can't happen here" model we've followed thus far.

humanofearth 8 years, 11 months ago

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dvabel 8 years, 11 months ago

First of all the real reason why Chris the owner has five armed guys at and inside of the place is to make the patrons feel safe especially after liquid and lastcall & coyote's under dennis & now under Troy Van Horn's controll. Second people thought that Iranian from Overland park that shot up the Hawk came from AXIS that night of that shooting axis was not open. Third You @ Lawrence Journal World, Sunflower Broadband, Greatplains media, And sunflower chanel 6 have destroyed Chris Swindler's reputation as a great man and an excellent club owner by linking AXIS at that hawk shooting fiasco. Fourth LAPD You should look at Coyote's for the persons involved in this hainous act of violence and i Want you guys to do a publication and advertising blitz to restore Mr. Swindler's Friends, Family, & his loyal Patrons reputation Like I Douglas C. Abel asap before I personally advise Chris to Sue All of your asses for everything you got.

dvabel 8 years, 11 months ago

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em1 8 years, 11 months ago

Hmmmm...........let's see. Record enrollments at the school=record dropouts from non-hackers (an arguement for KU's enterance standards being way too low, but I digress). Drop outs stay in Lawrence because it's such a "cool" (ie party) town. Many (not all, but enough) dropouts become bum losers with no life.

No one else saw this coming?

lounger 8 years, 11 months ago

Open up a Hashish bar and I promise you peeps will not be shooting at each other. Alcohol is poison.

black_butterfly 8 years, 11 months ago

dkbrown- please don't let these racists cowards who hide behind their computers upset you. The article stated that the suspect was white. Of course all of the racists are going to continue to make racist comments regardless. They have nothing better to do. Intelligent people know that good and bad people come in all races and live in Lawrence as well as other cities. If these simple minded people want to continue to believe that the media is fair and impartial when it comes to reporting crimes, then let them believe it. All we can do is continue to be the proud, upstanding citizens that we are. Let them continue to dwell in their pool of dellusional misery!

damaclessword 8 years, 11 months ago

blaming the police for not preventing a shooting is like blaming the fraternity for a kid drinking too much and ending up no longer with us......besides the cops are the only ones running toward the sound of gun shots while the rest of you arm chair warriors run away......(and then blog about what the cops aren't doing right)

Danimal 8 years, 11 months ago

I'm not sure that anyone is blaming the police (I know I'm not). I will say that we need to better equip our police force to deal with the changing nature of criminality in Lawrence. There's a huge difference between policing a town of 80K and a town of 120K and I'm not sure the citizenry of Lawrence is ready to accept this aspect of growth along with all the positive changes. You can't blame the police before you blame the citizens who determine what they have at their disposal.

tom_bodett 8 years, 11 months ago

This cute, quiet, little "town" is all grown up!! Welcome to the big leagues Lawrence!

To get a real perspective on the violent crime in Lawrence, sign up for a ride-a-long with the local police on a Saturday night. I think most of us would be shocked!

gphawk89 8 years, 11 months ago

Population growth = more violence. Get used to it.

jafs 8 years, 11 months ago

baby girl,

Do you really mean to say there's nothing we can do to reduce violent crime in Lawrence?

That's hard to believe.

And, yes, over the last 10+ years that I've lived in this area, crime has gotten much worse, especially violent crime.

That makes Lawrence a less attractive place to live, especially if you combine it with low wages and a high cost of living.

jafs 8 years, 11 months ago

On a personal level, since most of these incidents occur late at night around bars/clubs, one can protect oneself fairly easily by not going there at that time.

But I live near Club Axis, and I don't like the idea of people shooting at each other in my neighborhood. It certainly might spill over, especially if they drive around a bit or run through the streets with guns.

beawolf 8 years, 11 months ago

gphawk89 (Anonymous) says…

"Population growth = more violence. Get used to it."

Poverty = more violence. Alcohol = more violence. Drugs = more violence.

Rae Hudspeth 8 years, 11 months ago

Crime is not getting "worse" in Lawrence, it's just that more of it is actually making the news now.

jafs 8 years, 11 months ago


That's simply not true - look up the crime rates.

One recent year, I believe it was 2007, violent crime virtually doubled.

Rae Hudspeth 8 years, 11 months ago

Interestingly, other news sources in KC have already reported the arrest made in the shooting incident.. where is that news on ljworld?

We can only speak for that which is reported, and I stand by my contention that many crimes simply have not been reported for several years. Of course, it has to be reported in order for it to be counted in the crime rates, right?

jafs 8 years, 11 months ago


Yes - I thought you were claiming it was simply showing up in newspapers more.

But, having lived here in a few neighborhoods which got significantly worse while I lived in them, I believe crime is getting worse as well.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know how much is simply due to more being reported to police than in previous years.

Larry_No_Longer 8 years, 11 months ago

Tin wrote:

A better choice would be more law abiding citizens concealing and carrying. If every criminal had to think “gee I wonder if this person or that one is capable of shooting back” that would make a difference.

Now there is a great idea! But why stop there? With all the school shootings lately, parents should be required by law to send there children to school well armed. And airport security is totally backwards. There should be a loaded 9mm in all the seat backs right next to the barf bags. What could possibly go wrong then?

Baby_Girl... you really don't see the difference between (fist) fights and shootings? Really??? How many innocent bystanders have you ever heard of being killed by a stray fist in a drive by beating? Any coward can use a gun. Guns are used b/c 9 out of 10 times, if you use a gun, the other person has zero chance of defending themselves. These same people would never throw a punch, b/c they are terrified that they would get their a** kicked.

HermioneElliott 8 years, 11 months ago

black_butterfly Thank you for your remarks. You make a lot of sense and what you say is true. Think about what missing children you see on television. All of the children who were taken and/or killed were all white blondes. I guess if you are not white or blonde you have nothing to worry about. Dust off my shoulder.

greenworld 8 years, 11 months ago

When William Dann gets on the city commission things will change.

greenworld 8 years, 11 months ago

IT's not the club, its the crowd. If you chase them away from Club Axis they will all end up in the parking lot at 19th and Haskell at Crosstown Tavern. 1 plus 1 equals-?

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