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Sooners’ Capel challenges Jayhawks

OU coach: Let’s see Kansas play us

There isn't a single scholarship player on the Kansas men's basketball team that has lost a game in the Big 12 Tournament.

March 10, 2009

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Do you plan on going to Oklahoma City for the Big 12 tournament?

No, sir, I’m not really that much into basketball.

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Oklahoma basketball coach Jeff Capel grew a bit defensive when asked about the Sooners’ recent slump, which has included three losses in five games.

He reminded reporters that Blake Griffin missed half of a 73-68 setback at Texas and all of a 87-78 home loss to Kansas University because of injury.

“You take Sherron Collins off Kansas, and let’s see them beat Texas,” Capel said in an article in the Denver Post. “Let’s see them (Jayhawks) come down here and play us when we’re fully healthy.”

Capel’s challenge will be accepted by the Jayhawks if they and the Sooners are able to win two games apiece and advance to Saturday’s finals of the Big 12 tournament at Oklahoma City’s Ford Center.

“I’d like to get another chance to play them,” KU junior guard Sherron Collins said. “We knew people were going to say that if we won (it was because Griffin was sidelined with concussion). It happened. He wasn’t able to play, which wasn’t our fault. I’d like to meet them again.”

First things first.

KU will meet either Baylor or Nebraska in a first-round tourney clash at 11:30 a.m. Thursday. A victory would propel KU into a 6 p.m. Friday matchup against either Texas, Colorado or Kansas State. Finals are 5 p.m. Saturday.

“We know anybody can beat anybody in this tournament,” Collins said.

Top-four seeds KU, OU, Missouri and Kansas State receive first-round byes Wednesday.

“I think we still don’t get the respect we’re supposed to get,” Collins said, aware many pundits are picking a healthy Griffin and his Sooners to win the event. “We’re not even the favorite, and we just won the conference. It’s our motivation. Nobody thinks we’re supposed to win. It’s what we’re going to try to do.

“We won the conference championship. Nobody gave it to us. It’s not like it was placed in our hands. We’ve got the best record . We were the best team in the (Big 12) regular season.”

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webmocker 5 years, 1 month ago

wysiwyg69 (Anonymous) says…

okla. 87 ku 63, that is if ku gets there

I guess this was a pointless exercise in taunting.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"Mario made the great shot and the team then smacked Memphis in O.T., but Sherron got the ball down the court, avoided being fouled and yet somehow got it to Mario for the open look and basket."

Not to mention the steal and the 3 at 2:09 that made the rest possible.

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wysiwyg69 5 years, 1 month ago

okla. 87 ku 63, that is if ku gets there

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jayhawklawrence 5 years, 1 month ago

Against the Sooners, we are definitely the underdogs.

Don't give them any bulletin board material folks.

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Jim Williamson 5 years, 1 month ago

Dear Coach Capel,

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have one helluva Christmas.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 1 month ago

Self wanted Collins to have 20 shots a game. He is nowhere close to that. Collins is the most awesome. Ignore those that post and not know what they speak of.

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rgh 5 years, 1 month ago

jkilgore,

Amen. Who did Self put the ball in the hands of with less than 10 seconds to go in the NCAA championship game last year? Sherron!

Mario made the great shot and the team then smacked Memphis in O.T., but Sherron got the ball down the court, avoided being fouled and yet somehow got it to Mario for the open look and basket.

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Jeff Kilgore 5 years, 1 month ago

Leave it to a rightwinger to call Collins a "ball hog." I'll tell you this: there isn't a school in the league that wouldn't put the ball in his hands to lead their team. If Self is satisfied, then I think you're wrong. Collins is one of the guttiest, most talented, competitive player to ever play at Kansas. He gives us the kind of "straight at you" play that we have lacked for years.

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logicsound04 5 years, 1 month ago

"I'm sure Self would and has done the same thing for his players."


Actually, I doubt it. For starters, I posted what I think is a pretty good guess at how he would treat a similar situation, rabid media or not. Furthermore, there are plenty of ways to "defend your players" without attacking another team. I have no issue with THIS quote:

"You take Sherron Collins off Kansas, and let’s see them beat Texas,"

That is probably a pretty good assessment--KU would have struggled and maybe lost to Texas without Collins. What I think most KU fans take exception to is THIS comment:

“Let’s see them (Jayhawks) come down here and play us when we’re fully healthy.”

That is because it's no longer about HIS team, it's about belittling KU's victory (ahem... IN Norman) because OU wasn't fully healthy when we beat them.

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"Yes Kansas has better players than OU. Griffin is our best player and us missing him is way worse than Kansas missing Collins or Aldrich because you have a better supporting cast."


I don't know. I would say OU's supporting cast is probably at least as good as KU's. I seem to remember some talk leading into the KU/OU game about how OU was more than a 1-man team and while they wouldn't be a top-5 team without Griffin, they would certainly be very good. I mean, come on--your supporting cast was the other Griffin, Patillo, Johnson, and Warren. Those are all pretty good players if I remember correctly.

Part of the problem is that Caple doesn't seem to be a great Xs and Os coach. I think with a bit of clever substitution and some creative play sets, he could have won that game in Norman. OU lost because they got stale and kept trying to go 1-on-1 on offense. It seems like his team's offensive philosophy is "play off of Blake Griffin", which works because Griffin is so good and his supporting cast was hitting shots. However, a great player--no matter how good--is no substitution from strategic planning and execution. Caple has yet to show that as a strong point of his ability.

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fabian_zimbabwe 5 years, 1 month ago

"Duke rules. Big 12 is a second tier conference. Thanks for playing."

Now THAT's funny! In the last four years, the Dookies have been collectively bounced in the first, second and third rounds. Now THERE's a frightening and dominating team.

Thanks for playing (if only briefly).

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Victor Dawson 5 years, 1 month ago

This is way we still play the game!!! Everything outside of the game being played is only speculation. Don't forget any team in the Big 12 can beat any team on any given night (just like the NCAA tournament). Nothing is a lock. Yes, the game would have been different if Blake played. However, different how? What if KU opened the game on a 18-4 run and never looked back? What if Blake picked up two quick charging fouls? What if Sherron picked up two quick fouls and had to sit for most of the first half? What if Cole's nose got injuried again? What if Bill Self passed out and had to be replaced by an assistant? What if Capel, had some bad bbq the night before the game and got food poisioning? Point is, a bunch of "what ifs" don't equal a win! The game(s) still must be played or North Carolina would have about a thousand championships (thanks to Dickie V)

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RiverCityConservative 5 years, 1 month ago

Duke has no real basketball tradition. They are always griping and complaining and trying to get attention. It's good the OU coach said these words because the Jayhawks need all the motivation they can get. This is going to be the toughest Big 12 tournament ever. And then starts the NCAA. Hey, I saw the game Saturday over Texas at Allen Fieldhouse and it was absolutely riveting play by both teams. Glad we got that one. Aldrich has to come up big from now on, the way he played the last five minutes against UT and the way he played against UNC in last year's semis. I really believe we can make a run this year very deep and I'm hoping against hope we get to the final four. Go Hawks! Rock chalk.

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rgh 5 years, 1 month ago

Now it's time for Sherron to be quiet and post this article on the KU board when (if) they play. Sherron gave Tech bulletin board material now it's time to thank Capel for the material. KU is getting everyone back plus great recruits.

Rock Chalk to another championship guys.

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backnforth 5 years, 1 month ago

Calm down everyone...u got your panties in a wad. This article does not tell the full story. Capel and the OU basketball team has been beaten up by the Oklahoma press for weeks talking about chemistry problems, talking about this n that. The sports radio in OKC is always bringing up or exaggerating crap. Capel is only defending his team. He is angry at the state press and their constant garbage. He has done a heck of a job with what he has and like any coach is supporting his players and not attacking Texas or Kansas. The remarks he said are not out of line. I'm sure Self would and has done the same thing for his players. Yes Kansas has better players than OU. Griffin is our best player and us missing him is way worse than Kansas missing Collins or Aldrich because you have a better supporting cast. So what that you have freshman playing. Our 2nd best player is a freshman after that our players are no better than a middle- tier teams players. OU will not win the Nat'l Championship but maybe if Capel stays around we will...we have a heck of great recruiting class coming in hopefully they will turn out like they are projected to be.

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KU_Chronic 5 years, 1 month ago

walter... ill assume that you are kidding Big 12 has had the best player in the country 3 years in a row to go along with a national championship and duke has done.... what exactly in that time? lose in the first round? in fact i think the ACC is highly overrated every year

and i think if KU wins the big 12 tourny we deserve a 1 seed...

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Omegatron 5 years, 1 month ago

"Omegatron, OU losing at MU may not have been a fluke, but it only happens at MU. Anywhere else the Tigers get punked."

True. But still...

He got beat by Mizzou and he might have to play OSU.

I don't mind him issuing challenges to my team, I do mind him gunning for my team when he doesn't have all his ducks in a row.

This just gives everyone in his bracket extra incentive to beat his team. He practically set himself up to lose before the championship game.

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flamingdragon 5 years, 1 month ago

first, you gotta get past mizzou, the team that make sooners look like firecracker go boom last week.. this capel not wise, but look at coach he replaced and you get the idea.

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logicsound04 5 years, 1 month ago

This doesn't strike me as a very good way to lead a team. I would be embarrassed if Self was out there bitching about who was or wasn't playing when we met a tough opponent.

In fact, if we had played Texas and lost without Collins or Aldrich and Self was asked a question about the effect of missing such a key player, I imagine his response would be something along the lines of "Yeah, Sherron/Cole is a great player and a big part of what we do, but you have to play the game in front of you."

"Let's see the Jayhawks come down here and play us when we're healthy" strikes me as something a player, or even more likely, a fan would say on a message board.

Oklahoma has struggled ever since they lost Griffin, even after he came back. Players were suspended (Patillo) or benched (Warren) and there has seemingly been a bit of "discontent in paradise" so to speak from an outsider's point of view.

This quote makes me wonder if Capel isn't part of the problem. It's very similar to when he complained about the fan support for his basketball team. Guess what Jeff? You coach BASKETBALL at Oklahoma. One good season (or half of good season at the time you complained) is not going to convert all those football diehards into hardwood fanatics.

Perhaps you should worry more about coaching your team and less about all the other crap.

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TrooGrit 5 years, 1 month ago

Gee, wouldn't it be ironic if OU lost their first round game? Pay attention to the lights ahead of you Capel, but thanks for the bulletin board material, anyway! :)

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deskiedennis 5 years, 1 month ago

Capel is right. They were missing there best player so the game was tainted. And when we lost to Syracuse Brady Morningstar had written a long paper the night before so his hands were still sore from typing causing him to miss some shots. And before the UMass game, Cole Alrich didn't get french toast for breakfast (which is part of his lucky game-day meal) so his game was off. So those games don't really count.

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calvin 5 years, 1 month ago

I hope KU gets a chance to kick their a$$.

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autie 5 years, 1 month ago

I believe Collins looks for his shoot first because the coach told him to. Regardless, it should shape up to be an exciting weekend for big 12 basketball. A KU/OU match up would be great stuff. But my focus would be on Thursday @11:30. Capel, shut up and worry about game one.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

walter_sobchak hahaha dukie are chumps and they proved it against UNC twice this year. Thumped in their place. Who is defending National champs? Even K said we are not that good or as good as them Sounds like the truth Try it you might find reality refreshing

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walter_sobchak 5 years, 1 month ago

Duke rules. Big 12 is a second tier conference. Thanks for playing.

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Leprechaunking13 5 years, 1 month ago

Well before we get to challenges coach capel, let's wait until both teams are going to be in the championship game. Then let's factor in that both times(if a second meeting happens) were played out of Kansas. That you have arguably the best freshman in the country on the team, even if the player of the year is out you still have a good squad. However, they don't know it cause you hang your laurels on Blake Griffin. I'll take a Sherron led Kansas team playing as an underdog (with a 1 seed...) anyday! For the KU fans, Sherron is doing what the coach asked by shooting the ball. Coach said that at the beginning of the season, and if you have watched 90% of the season you can see why. When he is feeling it, he is unstoppable (Oklahoma game anyone?) and it shows when he isn't. So he may be "hogging" the ball to some but its coaches bidding, and I personally trust Coach Self!

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

rtwngr learn the game before you write about it Collins is an all american and has been the glue and spark for this team

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

Another duke baby Hey capel we kicked your a** and then with all that talent you went on to prove what a bad coach you were. Just another ex duke guy like amaker you got the gig cause of coach K and can talk a good game but cannot back it up. Hey capel who's the best team? KU BIG XII Champs enough said

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 1 month ago

Capel is a Dukie. Of course he's going to whine and make excuses and come up with impossible false scenarios.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"I think Collins is a ball hog and is always looking for his shot first."

I won't totally disagree, but he has a good number of assists a game, averaging 5. And to be fair, it's been quite a while since we've had this particular type of team, with only one experienced Really Good player as the stand-out leader of the team.

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rtwngr 5 years, 1 month ago

I disagree about Collins. I think Collins is a ball hog and is always looking for his shot first. Sort of a "Sherron Iverson" if you will. I think Tyshawn Taylor could run the point and do a very effective job. Don't get me wrong, Collins is an important part of this team but I don't think he is as important to KU as Blake Griffin is to OU.

Capel needs to stuff a sock in it though.

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jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

Reeelax, guys. Capel's comments aren't inflammatory or even debatable, really. No Collins vs. UT? Probably a loss. And it would have been a different game with Blake earlier, and you all know that.
That's a coach defending his team, and he's got more than a leg to stand on when his squad has to go a game and a half without the National Player of the Year.

Omegatron, OU losing at MU may not have been a fluke, but it only happens at MU. Anywhere else the Tigers get punked.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

Not to mention how dismissive it is of the team that showed up and played a really Good game against KU, even without Griffin.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

This is dumb. Quit your whining and worry about the challenges ahead of you, Couch Capel. Even if it's true (and there's no question that without Collins our team would be quite different), to go on about hypotheticals like this is immature at best.

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Vince Brown 5 years, 1 month ago

Suppose OU had beaten KU, would Coach Capel or any OU fan say, "Well, KU lost all five starters plus 2 or 3 other important members of their championship team...."? No way. None of the teams that defeated KU this year will say now or years later that KU lost those players. All they will mention is that they "beat Kansas!" Every coach/team takes the chance that an important member of their team may be unavailable at any given time. Dealing with adversity goes with his job. Get over it.

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Lee Eldridge 5 years, 1 month ago

I like how Capel challenged the Jayhawks to come back to OU and play them again. Be a real man Jeff. Challenge the Jayhawks somewhere besides your home state!

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Omegatron 5 years, 1 month ago

What the...

Dear Capel

Why don't concentrate on beating Mizzouri first before you go off and challenge somebody else.

Or was that 73-64 beat down just a fluke?

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