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Officials: Woman cut open, infant taken

June 9, 2009

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— A woman accused of killing her pregnant friend is believed to have cut open the 21-year-old’s abdomen to take her baby and pass it off as her own, investigators said Monday.

The infant also died, but it could not be determined whether he was alive when he was taken from Heather Snively’s womb, the Washington County sheriff’s department said in a statement.

A 27-year-old woman, Korena Roberts, has been charged with murder in Snively’s death. She appeared in court Monday but did not enter a plea.

A 911 call on Friday brought emergency workers to Roberts’ house in the Portland suburb of Beaverton. Workers found blood on the floor and Roberts’ boyfriend trying to revive the infant.

Investigators said Roberts claimed the baby was hers. At the emergency room, doctors, who were unable to revive the baby, determined that Roberts had not given birth.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

Also, notjustastudent, you've got to get your pro-abortion terminology straight. This is very important. Now repeat after me: It is not a child, it is a choice. It is not a baby, it is a mass of cells. It is not a human, it is a pregnancy.

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sandersen 4 years, 10 months ago

Kansas Person-

I apologized already for straying from the storyline, although it was in response to another post. I am NOT in the habit of pasting of any sort, feel free to review my history, but in my defense, I was asked to provide examples, and did.

No need for the kidney punch. And rude is a two-way street... So nasty a swipe for such an innocuous offense to your delicate sensibilities.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

notjustastudent,

Do you really believe what you just wrote? That pro-life advocates would think it "just fine" if a mother and her child died?

Additionally, the numer of children in the womb that threaten the actual life of the mother are so few and far between as to make that argument specious. Modern medicine has made c-sections a viable option for almost any problem pregnancy.

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rooster 4 years, 10 months ago

You like how settingtherecordstraight asks for examples of corporate welfare then when it is produced he just disappears?

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notjustastudent 4 years, 10 months ago

I think they added the comment about not being able to determine if it was alive or dead before it was removed in an effort to say "we don't know how to charge her yet."

Also, everyone opposed to late-term abortions find this to be wrong, but if a woman and her child will both die if the pregnancy is not ended, that's just fine and that's the way things have to be. You guys make no sense.

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KansasPerson 4 years, 10 months ago

Geez Sandersen, how about starting a blog if you're going to hijack a thread to that extent? It's not that I mind reading other people's opinions (tho' the cut-and-paste gets tedious) but it's kinda bordering on rude, like coming up to a bunch of people who are discussing Topic A and giving a 10-minute speech on Topic B. Do people inch away from you at parties?

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 10 months ago

Apparently it’s not a baby it is a fetus

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sandersen 4 years, 10 months ago

(cont) The Boston Globe reported on March 6 that KBR, which until last year was a unit of Halliburton Co., skirted federal requirements to pay payroll taxes for Medicare and Social Security by setting up front companies in the famous tax shelter.

Here's a key passage from the Globe story:

More than 21,000 people working for KBR in Iraq - including about 10,500 Americans - are listed as employees of two companies that exist in a computer file on the fourth floor of a building on a palm-studded boulevard here in the Caribbean. Neither company has an office or phone number in the Cayman Islands.

The Defense Department has known since at least 2004 that KBR was avoiding taxes by declaring its American workers as employees of Cayman Islands shell companies, and officials said the move allowed KBR to perform the work more cheaply, saving Defense dollars.

See also... "SACRIFICE IS FOR SUCKERS"- How Corporations Are Using Offshore Tax Havens to Avoid Paying Taxes http://www.citizenworks.org/corp/tax/taxbreif.php

Also from the Boston Globe...

In March 2005, one of the Pentagon’s most trusted contractors - Virginia-based MPRI, founded by retired senior military leaders - won a $400 million contract to train police in Iraq and other hotspots. Two months later, MPRI set up a company in Bermuda to which it subcontracted much of the work. [...]

A year earlier, MPRI headed a joint venture that won a $1.6 billion contract to provide US peacekeeping forces in Kosovo and elsewhere. Three months later, MPRI set up a company in the Cayman Islands to do the work.

MPRI has hired “roughly” 400 employees through the Bermuda shell company, but the company also avoids taxes by hiring its workers as “independent contractors.” But experts, and even MPRI employees themselves, say their work would unlikely “pass the IRS test for self-employment.”

MPRI’s police trainers, who asked not to be identified, said they do not work that way. One former trainer working for MPRI in Iraq said that police trainers in Baghdad received letters at the end of 2005 saying that they might experience a brief disruption in their payments because “payroll was being moved to Bermuda to satisfy US tax code.”

The letters became a running joke among the trainers. “We said, ‘What do you mean, to avoid tax codes?‘” the former trainer recalled.

I am more than happy to back up my comments with excerpts from studies from the GAO, Pentagon, IRS, etc, and I will next post the links to the fore-mentioned tariffs and retirement "study" monies.

By the way, "vapid" and "unsubstantiated" are terms I would be cautious of throwing about at will, considering the level of some of your prior posts...

And apologies as to going off topic... This is a violent and inexcuseable crime, and my thoughts go out to those whom have lost a loved one so tragically.

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sandersen 4 years, 10 months ago

See article on tax dodgers/corporations here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29773472/

From the GAO...

Recently, the Defense Contract Audit Agency found more than $10 billion in questionable or unsupported charges in Iraq reconstruction contracts. Additionally, a new audit by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) underscores the level of waste, fraud and abuse that continues to cost American taxpayers billions:

•“Millions of dollars of lucrative Iraq reconstruction contracts were never finished because of excessive delays, poor performance or other factors, including failed projects that are being falsely described by the U.S. government as complete, federal investigators say.” [AP, 4/28/08] •An estimated 855 reconstruction contracts were terminated before the projects were completed “primarily because of unforeseen factors such as violence and excessive costs.” [AP, 4/28/08] •Of these, 112 contracts were ended because of “actual or anticipated failure to perform” the requirements of the project. [Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction Audit, 4/28/08]

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has just reported that 60,000 federal contractors owe $7.7 billion in back taxes. GAO also reports that, of those contractors, there are 27,000 defense contractors – many of which have contracts in Iraq – that owe $3 billion in back taxes.

Currently, for example, the management practices, financial statements, and employment policies of Blackwater, a privately-held company, which receives nearly all of its revenue from U.S. taxpayers, are tightly held secrets. Since 2001, Blackwater has had a meteoric rise in profits due to hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts, mostly in Iraq, often won through no-bid processes.

The United States is the largest purchaser of goods and services in the world, spending more than $419 billion on procurement awards in Fiscal Year 2006 alone. Yet, the federal government’s watchdogs lack the information they need to protect taxpayer dollars; there is no centralized government-wide method to account for the performance of U.S. contractors. A fraudulent contractor can bounce from federal agency to federal agency, fleecing taxpayers the whole way. (cont.)

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bankboy119 4 years, 10 months ago

The more unfortunate part of this story is that it is a double homicide. My prayers go out to the family she left behind.

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bankboy119 4 years, 10 months ago

So let's get this straight JABOTB, if the mother chose to kill her own baby it's okay? But since another did it's not right? That's pretty sadistic. It's murder in both cases.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 10 months ago

KansasPerson (Anonymous) says…

How tragic and horrible. I wonder if she got the idea from the case in Kansas/Missouri last year."

Marion writes:

Naw, blame Shakespeare:

"Macduff was from his mother's womb Untimely ripped."

  • William Shakespeare, Macbeth, 5.7
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

Play semantics all you want, Marion. The situations are still incomparable.

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KansasPerson 4 years, 10 months ago

How tragic and horrible. I wonder if she got the idea from the case in Kansas/Missouri last year.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 10 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

And any comparison of this horrific crime to late-term abortion neglects two very important points— the mother had no choice in the matter, and it most certainly wasn't done in order to protect her life or health."

Marion writes:

I would respectfully disagree, there, bozo.

It's a baby when some lunatic cuts it out and kills it.

It's a "potential baby" when aborted.

The definition of whatever grows in wombs is determined by what the "Pro-Choice" folks want to do with it.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

And any comparison of this horrific crime to late-term abortion neglects two very important points-- the mother had no choice in the matter, and it most certainly wasn't done in order to protect her life or health.

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coolmom 4 years, 10 months ago

sounds like friend is the wrong word if you want to quibble about words. i pray for the family and the woman and child who were killed. seriously what the heck? isnt this a bullet in the head instead of a long drawn out trial? this story makes me gag and want to keep my friends and family closer.

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 10 months ago

it's amazing how this comment thread went off on some corporate welfare debate, when there is a dead woman and a dead baby because of some crazy nut with a maternal instinct problem.

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Paul R Getto 4 years, 10 months ago

"Don't forget about all of the money given to “defense” contractors! They're the biggest welfare queens on the planet!" ========To cite a recent example of this. Reporting for TomDispatch.com, Pratap Chatterjee, author of the book "Halliburton's Army," writes, "In early May, at a hearing on Capitol Hill, DCAA [Defense Contract Audit Agency] director April G. Stephenson told the independent, bipartisan, congressionally mandated Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan that, since 2004, her staff had sent 32 cases of suspected overbilling, bribery and other possible violations of the law to the Pentagon inspector general. The 'vast majority' of these cases, she testified, were linked to KBR, which accounts for a staggering 43 percent of the dollars the Pentagon has spent in Iraq." http://www.truthout.org/060609A

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KansasVoter 4 years, 10 months ago

Don't forget about all of the money given to "defense" contractors! They're the biggest welfare queens on the planet!

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

You've given no facts, just vapid, unsubstantiated accusations. Which "lump sums of cash" and in what amounts and to whom, specifically? Which companies in particular have "massive back-taxes due" and in what amounts? And which "tariff monies" paid to which "multiple categories of corporations" to keep "ledgers artificially high" and at what levels? I'd like to see the documentation. Without it, you're just a guy at the coffee shop complaining about nothing.

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sandersen 4 years, 10 months ago

Tax relief? You must be joking. I am referring to the massive, bloated allocations such as the lump sums of cash simply "given" to corporations during the bush era for those companies to "consider" continuing retirement obligations and healthcare obligations to their employees. I am referring to fraudulent and wasteful no-bid contracts to companies, money in their pockets, yet often no services or products actually provided to fufill the contract. I am referring to corporations with massive back-taxes due allowed to continue sucking at the taxpayer teat. I am referring to tariff monies paid to multiple categories of corporations to keep their ledgers artificially high, and ceo salaries exorbitant. And the banks, automotive industry, insurance lobby, airlines, etc are only a few of the sectors at the trough. This is certainly not a free market system, and has not been for a long time.

The checks are in the mail daily to the corporate welfare recipients. We all know it. It is simply easier for some to slam the individual human being in need than curb the culture of graft so rampant in the corporate world.

On a separate note, I find the abhorrence some on the right feel towards families or individuals in need to be completely at odds with their obsession with restricting sex ed/family planning/easy access to contraception, etc...

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

sandersen,

Do you equate tax relief with literal checks in the mail to Welfare recipients?

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sandersen 4 years, 10 months ago

Well BP, your conservative corporate buddies have been stuffing their coffers with "welfare" for years, massive amounts that dwarf social welfare tallies, but it is termed "business-friendly policy" under the banner of GOP administrations.

The hypocrisy runs thick.....

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Music_Girl 4 years, 10 months ago

This is an extremely sad case. I feel sorry for Snively's family left behind in all this mess.

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barrypenders 4 years, 10 months ago

Progressive's will say whatever it takes to satisfy their needs. My favorite is their verbal'en use of "stimulus" for "welfare"

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 10 months ago

I love it when the press accurately describes a baby in the womb as a baby, as we see reported here. And it's great when a child in the womb is ascribed the pronoun "he," as we see here, rather than "it."

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