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Farmers’ Turnpike to get $1.6M facelift

Terese Gorman, engineering division manager for Douglas County, describes the $1.63 million project project to revamp, rebuild and even relocate a section of Douglas County Road 438 -- commonly known as the Farmers Turnpike -- at the northwestern edge of Lawrence.

June 7, 2009

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Construction will begin Monday on a section of Douglas County Road 438, also known as Farmers’ Turnpike, from the intersection with the South Lawrence Trafficway west to Douglas County Road 1029 near Lecompton. Pictured in the foreground is the widened section of 438 that continues to Lecompton. In the background at the curve heading east will be the western edge of the new construction area.

Construction will begin Monday on a section of Douglas County Road 438, also known as Farmers’ Turnpike, from the intersection with the South Lawrence Trafficway west to Douglas County Road 1029 near Lecompton. Pictured in the foreground is the widened section of 438 that continues to Lecompton. In the background at the curve heading east will be the western edge of the new construction area.

Work to rebuild a 2.26-mile section of the Farmers’ Turnpike begins Monday, but the real detour-causing holdups won’t arrive for another few weeks.

The section of road formally known as Douglas County Road 438 is getting a $1.63 million overhaul, stretching from its intersection with the South Lawrence Trafficway west to Douglas County Road 1029, which is the curve that leads north toward Lecompton.

Crews led by Perry-based Hamm Construction Inc. will be repaving lanes, adding paved shoulders and making roadside drop-offs more gentle, all with a goal of improving driver comfort and security.

The work also will include cutting tops off hills and filling in dips below, moves designed to improve sight distances for the 4,000 drivers who use the road each day — whether they’re passing through or turning in and out of rural driveways along the way.

“It’s a huge safety improvement,” said Terese Gorman, the county’s engineering division manager.

During the past five years, drivers have been involved in 29 accidents along the stretch of road, Gorman said. Eight have caused injuries.

Of the five vehicles that left the road, she said, three overturned.

Such statistics are among the main reasons the county sought to overhaul the road, Gorman said. Adding paved, 8-foot-wide shoulders and extending roadside slopes should go a long way toward reducing the chances of injuries.

The improvements also should help prevent accidents in the first place, Gorman said, which would be good news for all.

“Those accidents can be pretty severe, especially at 55 miles per hour,” she said.

To get such safety upgrades, though, drivers and nearby residents will need to sacrifice some convenience.

Beginning Monday, crews will start extending box culverts that run beneath the road. The work will occur at the side of County Road 438, leaving the Farmers’ Turnpike open for traffic.

Drivers may face minor delays as trucks arrive to drop off loads of concrete, Gorman said, but overall traffic effects should be minimal.

That all will be expected to change later this month, when crews are set to close the entire stretch to start reconstruction. The tentative date for closure is June 29.

While access for local traffic will be maintained, all through traffic will be steered onto a detour that uses the South Lawrence Trafficway, U.S. Highway 40 and County Road 1029.

The detour will add about 3.5 miles to the trip.

Officials expect the Farmers’ Turnpike to be reopened by Nov. 21, in time for Thanksgiving.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"If you cannot understand the safety of a shoulder, then there is no drivers ed or any other type of training that will ever get through your thick head nor improve your driving."

Funny, I'm not the one who had the accident out there.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

I'm the one who is thick as a brick? I've brought up that even roads with improvements, made to be safe, people get more cocky and drive even more dangerously. I've also said if there was such a concern on a road that has been there many years providing service just fine as it is why did they connect it to the interstate and bypass? You haven't answered any of these and just continue on with what I've been trying to say, the perceived sense of safety is what people want but what happens is people notch up even more and make more dangerous. It is a road meant for light traffic but it gradually being made into a connector road, most likely up to 24 and the beat goes on. You can assume I'm the raging driver because I won't go along with you but you are the one who still refuses to acknowledge better training and enforcement are what keep all roads safer without having to spend billions every year revamping roads. Since this is too hard for you to comprehend I won't even bring up the peak oil issues and the wasted stimulus dollars on more highways. I make the stereotypes and you have done a personality review of me because I don't agree with you? Oh you make me laugh.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

"... You are the one afraid of accidents."

I'm sorry, but it gets really boring talking to a brick wall. You are incapable of understanding the simplest of concepts. I never threw a fit about any of this stuff, I was just trying to get you and merrill to stop being so myopic. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

If you cannot understand the safety of a shoulder, then there is no drivers ed or any other type of training that will ever get through your thick head nor improve your driving.

I have seen the consequences of an unsafe road. I was in a church one night back around 1980 when all of a sudden flashing lights went off across the street and could be seen through the sanctuary. One of two pedestrians had been hit and one of them was killed. It wasn't a highway. It was just on the edge of Liberal, KS on a town road that had no sidewalks, no shoulder, a deep ditch on the sides of the road, and no street lighting. In essence they were actually walking on the road. I knew the sister of the young man who hit them. I wasn't in his head so I don't know everything about what transpired. However, I do know that he wasn't given a citation for being drunk, wasn't given a citation for speeding, and he wasn't on some cell phone as what mobile brick technology they had in that day wasn't affordable to the masses. He also had the same drivers ed that every young person gets in this state. Sure maybe with sidewalks or a shoulder, and street lights someone still might have been killed, but the odds would have been greatly reduced.

You can go on and on about this group and that group not doing what you want them to. You are so good at stereotyping because you have issues with people. For your sake I do hope you have alternatives for driving. The last thing we need is someone on the road as bitter as you. You are a ticking time bomb and I don't want to be there when you get into a road rage. I don't care if it is a gravel road or umpteen lanes on I-435, you are a dangerous personality behind the wheel that should be avoided. It isn't fear; it is called defensive driving.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Oh my, I'm the one who wants control aye? Are you building those roads on your property or is the government taking other people's land to build the roads even if they don't want to sell it? And are your seriously saying we don't have all the roads we possibly could need if we weren't so spoiled and want the one that comes right to our door? I've already named to other roads that are highways, are designed to handle more traffic and do exactly what you want, so why take a road so called "farmer's" and make it into just an other highway. You already have the road options but still through a fit because it all has to be your way. Because you a bad driver we are suppose to make sure you have the sense of safety and want nothing to do with training? Oh and the switching? Well, considering the consequences of a stupid driver can kill people I hardly think it is extreme and since so many people have lost any desire to abide by the laws what should be done? You are the one afraid of accidents.

Blah, blah, blah, about the trains, geez you people are really living the falsehoods sold to you. The train didn't die because of a mass disliking of them but because unlike the trains that had to pay for the rail and the trains, the roads were built with government funding gimmicks that are still used today for showing favor with pork. But you miss the big point, the one that should be sticking out like a nasty pimple on your behind, and you were getting close, the Chinese are consuming oil and coal as they take their place in the world. Now think for a minute, if we were having fuel crises after burning through the largest and more easily accessible oil fields what do you think will happen when the two largest countries, population wise, start burning it up like we do?

The reason we off shored the businesses is because the greedy boomers getting close to retirement and not saving for retirement wanted companies to perform no matter what it took and produce unsustainable profits each quarter so the most educated generation to come along is too stupid to understand that you don't get something for nothing and while making their phony profits spent it like it was real money even though most of it was on credit. I'm assuming we'll follow that same path until suddenly we find the dollar no longer the currency of world trade and many of the countries who know control it after nationalizing much of it decide not to sell it and there we are with all those purdy roads and no options because we blew it all on last century's technology.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

"...You make a good point though for why we need to move to trains which is where the stimulus money should be going. You live in fear on the roads, don't want to take safety into your own hands, and want to spend millions so let's put the money where you get the safety you desire without destroying more land to trashy subdivisions in the country (or anywhere) made possible by road projects and the train is great, you can talk on the phone, read, put on makeup, etc in a safe environment not endangering others. It's a beautiful thing."

The problem with people like you is that you want absolute control over other people. Phrases like "American brat" or "give dangerous drivers a good switchin right there on the road" show just how much you have the need to control others.

You want to control where people live, how they move, what routes they can have, just to name a few of your dictates of how everybody else is wrong. That is the problem with fanatical dogma from the right or the left, such a person thinks they have the answer for everybody else. You don't. If you feel the need to control others that much, perhaps you should consider changing professions -- perhaps a prison guard would be to your liking.

Nobody ever outlawed trains, nor outlawed buses. Free willed people simply preferred not to take them. I have taken the train in the US enough to know I don't care for them -- or more precisely I don't care for Amtrak. However, even if they improved to where they were a decent service, the fact is that as long as we don't have an urban corridor like the coasts, the service could never be very cost affective here.

As to the Chinese, if you don't think they are building roads you would be greatly misinformed. The problem with this country isn't that we build roads, it is that we off-shored a lot of industry and now we are off-shoring white collar jobs. The importance of roads is that when you get to your destination you have something to show for it other than a pretty photograph of some countryside that you saw.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

I nominate none2 for Stupid Traffic Planner Exemplar.

God bless!

Coming from a pothead fool, that would be a complement. Thank you.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

oh none2, highway 40 is a lovely road and the only danger comes from the idiot drivers that you don't seem to agree need real drivers training. I don't feel in danger when I drive it but of course I'm not so important that I'm tailgating and speeding.

Where is all this money coming from for your grand road plans? The Chinese are getting a bit pissed we are spending their money like we are drunk. The spoiled American brat that has to have it all and refusing to make any changes themselves are going to get a switchin! If Americans don't want to learn how to drive maybe we should allow the police to give dangerous drivers a good switchin right there on the road, laying over their vehicle in plain view. Something tells me that would change the behaviors of the idiots who keep creating the perceived need to spend millions more to make the road "safe". I'd drive on 40 more willingly than K-10 which is full of idiot drivers who think with the extra lane they can pass on the left, right, and shoulders.

You make a good point though for why we need to move to trains which is where the stimulus money should be going. You live in fear on the roads, don't want to take safety into your own hands, and want to spend millions so let's put the money where you get the safety you desire without destroying more land to trashy subdivisions in the country (or anywhere) made possible by road projects and the train is great, you can talk on the phone, read, put on makeup, etc in a safe environment not endangering others. It's a beautiful thing.

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logrithmic 4 years, 10 months ago

I nominate none2 for Stupid Traffic Planner Exemplar.

God bless!

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

And if the people of Perry and Lecompton are trying to get to Baldwin and Ottawa and you are familiar with that area, why wouldn't you just cruise down to 40 from the exit currently on farmer's turnpike? It parallels farmer's turnpike and had the extended bypass not been built would have been the natural road to take in the first place as it is a highway. If you feel making farmer's into a highway then you aren't really concerned about the guys farming out there who have to deal with all the cars while they are driving tractors and pulling hay.

US-40 is the most dangerous road we have in this area. I don't think anybody looks forward to the potential rise in accidents there that will happen while Farmers Turnpike is being worked on. To fix US_40, they would really need to redo the entire road from the Stull exit until the final curve that is about 4 miles east of the K-4 ramp. Perhaps you would prefer them spend millions more to fix that 15 or so miles of road instead of 2.26 miles on the farmer's turnpike?

Personally, I would like to see Stull Road re-classified as US-40, then instead of the dog leg after Stull, they should simply pave 53rd Street all the way to Forbes field. US_40 could then go up Topeka Blvd to the I-470 exit. This would be a boon for the underutilized Forbes Field as well a much safer road. Then the dog leg on up to 45th Road and then over to Topeka Blvd, would simply be down graded. Likewise, the current US-40 should be downgraded to a county road it is way to dangerous to be classified as a federal highway.

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

books screw that I'll just watch tv

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

If you learn to read books kaspur you could find out how unsafe the suv really is plus I'm wondering of the three vehicles that rolled, what type of vehicle were they?

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

And if the people of Perry and Lecompton are trying to get to Baldwin and Ottawa and you are familiar with that area, why wouldn't you just cruise down to 40 from the exit currently on farmer's turnpike? It parallels farmer's turnpike and had the extended bypass not been built would have been the natural road to take in the first place as it is a highway. If you feel making farmer's into a highway then you aren't really concerned about the guys farming out there who have to deal with all the cars while they are driving tractors and pulling hay.

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

another reason to drive an suv so when i see jack tooling down the road at 45 while watching out for deer and tumbleweeds and accidentally plow into him going 100 zillion miles an hour my safe vehicle will protect me. hopefully all the extra fuel i have on board wont create an explosion. i would hate to see global warming take on any extra exhaust on my behalf.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Wow speaking of exaggerating! Yeah, so getting to Baldwin has become a crises for the people in Perry/Lecompton, is that why they built the connection to the turnpike? If so you pretty much brought it on yourself didn't you? That's what I'm talking about, do people think about things before it happens? Of course it wasn't built for that reason and will serve the purpose of trucking and commuters. It will become more dangerous as it becomes the new bypass and a farmer on a tractor will be taking his chance out there. 24 is a perfect road to use for an example of a road that really is pretty well built for a two lane highway but like you said, isn't that safe. Midland Junction perfectly demonstrates why driver's training is needed because if you follow the speed limit and pay attention it is really hard to understand why there are so many accidents there. But let's not require people to learn how to drive and just spend millions and billions on major road building projects.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

Interesting none2, around Lecompton that is true but not where the road is at being fixed. Now that you have a new bridge why wouldn't you take the road that already exists, highway 24 into Lawrence and take the interchange there? Sure it is a little longer but are we going to supersize every road that there is so you can save a few minutes of time? The fact is, that road wouldn't be such a concern if the interstate hadn't been connected to it so it could become a foregone conclusion that it has to be widened. So the options are available but like a spoiled child you'll throw a tantrum until you have a nice big highway too.

So calling you on your ignorance is a tantrum. I guess you cannot handle people that stand up to your nonsense. It isn't an issue of speed, it is an issue of safety. It is also very backwards of you to think that somehow the safety of people from Perry/Lecompton area wouldn't matter to people except for the interstate. Has it ever dawned on you that people may be trying to get to Baldwin or Ottawa? Not everybody's destination is the Turnpike.

Of course you probably think that Perry/Lecompton area residence headed to Baldwin and/or Ottawa should go all the way through Lawrence. Perhaps you think there isn't enough traffic in North Lawrence and its bridges, 6th street, an Iowa. Perhaps you aren't aware of just how much traffic congestion was added to Lawrence (especially Lawrence's bridges over the river) when the bridge between Perry & Lecompton was closed.

Just so you know, Farmer's turnpike isn't new; likewise, US-24 isn't safer. Relatively speaking it is a lot safer that US-40, but that is a whole other topic. Years ago they even lowered the hill at the north end of the dog leg on US-24. They really should just angle it so that it is less curvy and you can see further. Likewise, Midland junction is not a safe corner either.

But go ahead, live in your pipe dream where everybody against you is speeding, driving SUV's, tearing up the prairie/woodlands, and making your nature drives less than picturesque. It is always more exciting to exaggerate, than deal with the fact that this is just a 2.26 mile improvement in a road. That is all it is, nothing more, nothing less.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

And if you are pulling a hay and pulling out on to farmer's turnpike do you really want to deal with all the extra traffic, especially even more traffic as it is made into a road that is more for higher speed traffic? How is it benefiting the type of farming going on in that area when their road is turned into a bypass?

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

And remember, highway 24 is 65mph in Jefferson county so that need for speed can be satisfied on the nice flat road in the river bottom area and no need to make something like what it never was.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"Sorry, I'm not like you and stop at every driveway because some jerk may come out at me from nowhere. Just so you know, in all my years of seeing deer, I just haven't gone fast enough to hit one of them — much cheaper than hunting."

Part of defensive driving is learning you have to anticipate what could happen. If it was a blind drive and you couldn't see the car coming then naturally slowing down would have made sense and if you could see a car charging out I'd think you would slow down anyway. This is were we should put our money, driver's ed that goes beyond teaching how to parallel park.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Interesting none2, around Lecompton that is true but not where the road is at being fixed. Now that you have a new bridge why wouldn't you take the road that already exists, highway 24 into Lawrence and take the interchange there? Sure it is a little longer but are we going to supersize every road that there is so you can save a few minutes of time? The fact is, that road wouldn't be such a concern if the interstate hadn't been connected to it so it could become a foregone conclusion that it has to be widened. So the options are available but like a spoiled child you'll throw a tantrum until you have a nice big highway too.

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barrypenders 4 years, 10 months ago

I'm hearing you JackRipper that's why I am denying Obama's free healthinsurance and dying before the earth explodes during the super nova of our sun.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

none2 those could all be said about life on K-10. There are many country roads in that are exactly the same, how about 458 but that is just how they are made and you have to drive carefully. Perhaps you could have reacted to the jerk instead of just plowing through because the speed limit is 55mph, that is the maximum not the speed you must maintain. But those kind of accidents will always happen and K-10 shows now matter how safe you build a road the idiot factor just increases. But here is the kicker in my opinion, why would you hook a major highway and the interstate up to a small country road in the first place if there was ever any concern about safety? Now you are seeing more of the giant suv's with the giant boats heading to Clinton on that road because it is available. Didn't anyone anticipate all this ahead of time?

Yes, I plowed through at 55 mph because I wanted to be hit. I just love demolition derby. Is that what you think?

Sorry, I'm not like you and stop at every driveway because some jerk may come out at me from nowhere. Just so you know, in all my years of seeing deer, I just haven't gone fast enough to hit one of them -- much cheaper than hunting.

You obviously are simply dense and unable to comprehend anything that takes some understanding. Shoulders add safety to roads whether you like to admit it or not -- especially after dark when you need to pull over and get out. If you think no shoulder with steep inclines are safe, then you obviously think you are in your living room when you drive. Also these roads aren't lit at night, and if you think headlights take the place of streetlights or daylight, you are gravely mistaken. That is another reason to have a shoulder. As someone who grew up in western Kansas, I know plenty of roads that are without shoulders. US-54 used to be a lot more dangerous before they made it a super two highway. Contrary to your distorted world view, the area isn't now a growing metropolis, and yes the roads are safer.

You obviously aren't very familiar with the area near Lecompton as there are crops grown in the area as well as livestock. Perhaps if you owned land in this area like some of us do, you would at least be able to talk about things with some knowledge instead of embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Ah the dreams of continuing life as we know it by switching to coal. Seem logical that tearing up mountains in order to continue living the life of greed wouldn't be anymore disturbing as tearing up all the beautiful prairie land that we have remaining. Sure is lovely seeing all the unfinished and weed overgrown lots of subdivisions in the country now days as the signs are still not being read. What's good for GM is good for the country use to be the motto, now what? Shoot, even looks like the luxury Bella Sera is getting a bit weed infested. Look around people, the temperature of the water is being turned up slowly, you may not notice if you aren't paying attention

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barrypenders 4 years, 10 months ago

Obama's green cars will need the hills removed to be able to roll the distance. I "hope" that there is "change" to electric outlets along the way. I hope the energy is created by something other than nasty coal. I hope anyone anticipates all this ahead of time.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"AreUNorml (Anonymous) says… Jack, you might be the most crotchety old man i've ever run across in print…"

First of this isn't print, second you're damn right I'm crotchety about this when we have already torn up enough stuff and build enough subdivisions and crap in the country and for some reason have to keep destroying beautiful pieces of land still available. Soon we are expecting the development of beautiful pasture land into something that is suppose to create jobs without having water or sewer which just means that entire area will eventually look like every other trashed out area. Doesn't that bother you? Aren't there enough trashed out areas that could hold a business park that we don't need to trash out scenic lands? Can't we say we have enough roads as is and our usual greedy and selfish ways can be put on the back burner and use the roads that we already have plenty of for all this traffic? At what point will we say we have enough? Farmer's turnpike was never a real safety issue until our brilliant politicians worked to enrich developers which increased the traffic that would have never been there in the first place. Suppose we won't learn until we can't get oil anymore and the game is up.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

none2 those could all be said about life on K-10. There are many country roads in that are exactly the same, how about 458 but that is just how they are made and you have to drive carefully. Perhaps you could have reacted to the jerk instead of just plowing through because the speed limit is 55mph, that is the maximum not the speed you must maintain. But those kind of accidents will always happen and K-10 shows now matter how safe you build a road the idiot factor just increases. But here is the kicker in my opinion, why would you hook a major highway and the interstate up to a small country road in the first place if there was ever any concern about safety? Now you are seeing more of the giant suv's with the giant boats heading to Clinton on that road because it is available. Didn't anyone anticipate all this ahead of time?

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 10 months ago

Jack, you might be the most crotchety old man i've ever run across in print...

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

thats good to hear just trying to get you riled up

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

Yeah, that's right none2, I drive that rode and you must be one of those real important people who can't drive the 55 mph speed limit or have enough brains to slow down when common sense would tell most people they should. Never have any problems out there myself but I've also learned how to drive and a lot of driving has to do with not thinking your vehicle is the living room and carrying on business instead of driving.

You must be blind. There are places in that road that would be dangerous if you had to pull over to fix a flat. Changing a tire is done at 0 mph -- not 55.

Just so you know, I had a hit and run just north of the curve. I was going 55 mph, and I wasn't in my living room, wasn't texting/talking on the phone, wasn't reading the Bible, wasn't drinking, wasn't eating, and wasn't doing any of the other umpteen distractions I'm sure you think people do who aren't as wonderful a driver as you seem to think you are. Some jerk simply thought it was ok to pull out of a driveway without even bothering to stop & look BOTH ways first. The coward then took off like a Nascar driver down the gravel country road rather than to check out what damage was one & face the fact that the individual was in the wrong.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

kasper (Anonymous) says… lol. i bet you dont have you air conditioning on either"

You are correct. Why should I?

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

lol. i bet you dont have you air conditioning on either

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"kasper (Anonymous) says… i agree with norml. and as far as two major car companies go im pretty sure they went bankrupt because of greed with no intent to help the small guy who does all the work. just look around the rich get richer and the poor get poorer just the way the machine wants it"

kasper seriously whose greed was it? All the fools who demanded their right to have an suv, for what reason the rest of the world can't understand, so the manufactures build them with no long term thoughts for what happens when oil is squeezed again. The idiots who can't see the coming crises in energy who felt their lack of driving skills could be made up by driving vehicles meant to be used on farms or the forest service. Really, we are already seeing the consequences and if you can't see it coming there really isn't a lot of hope for America, especially after pouring all the money we have into education only to have people with no ability to think.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

AreUNorml, those are not the trucks I'm talking about and as I've experienced the farm trucks have been doing just fine out there. Since much of that land is pasture there aren't that many grain trucks out there in the first place and they aren't driving to the interstate to go to kc but to the local elevators right by the rail road tracks. Your pathetic attempt to try and make large semi truck traffic seem like it is just part of farming shows your ignorance. I'm quite familiar with that road and see what is happening and much of it will hinge on making it an extension of the truck based, ship goods from China model that is going to be dying soon. The farms you use as an example have been there for many years and have managed to get along without turning a nice country road into an other highway.

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

i agree with norml. and as far as two major car companies go im pretty sure they went bankrupt because of greed with no intent to help the small guy who does all the work. just look around the rich get richer and the poor get poorer just the way the machine wants it

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 10 months ago

Jack.. where do you think the trucks start? many of them start at farms. where do you think the farms are? that's right, NOT connected to the interstate. There is a reason to connect a road for farmers to the interstate. it's so they don't have to drive their trucks through the middle of town. and trains.. yea, we're gonna pay for spur tracks to join up to every single farm in America... good thinking. these trucks that use this road are primarily farm and local manufacturing. the farm trucks go to nearby processing plants (not cost efficient to put them on a train for 100 miles), the manufacturers trucks go to KC and put them on a train to go all over the country. at the other end of that track is another road for trucks to distribute their payload. your anger is misplaced and based on ignorance.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Ah kasper, even when the unthinkable, the bankruptcy of our two major car industries is going on right now you people still don't see what is coming. Yes, let's just keep putting money into the 20th century transportation systems so we'll all have nice big bike trails in the future.

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kasper 4 years, 10 months ago

i love suvs and i drive all over the place in my suv for no apparent reason but to go to walmart and help overheat the globe so kansas can be flooded by the ocean. i dont really see why we should improve infrastructure we should all just sit around and wait for doomsday

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, that's right none2, I drive that rode and you must be one of those real important people who can't drive the 55 mph speed limit or have enough brains to slow down when common sense would tell most people they should. Never have any problems out there myself but I've also learned how to drive and a lot of driving has to do with not thinking your vehicle is the living room and carrying on business instead of driving. Yeah, improvements on the road will only encourage more idiots who think it is safer so they'll drive faster and it will end up being more dangerous, especially as more people start using it. It's a shame because it is very pretty land out there but for many in this area I'm sure it won't look pretty until there are more God awful two story freak designed houses littering the landscape. It will look as trashed out as the old scenic road west of Manhattan looks that once was beautiful so everybody thought building a trash house on top of the hills so they could see it would enhance the view for everybody else.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"exactly right this is used more for truck traffic. without trucks you don't get squat. everything you have or want was brought to you on a truck. these guys need good highways just like the rest of us and they need to be safe. suck it up and deal with it."

Sounds like classic 20th century babble. You do realize the interstate and the multimillion dollar interchanges should be dealing with this all nicely? Or how about instead of connecting farmer's turnpike to the interstate way out there were big developers own land that they hope to use government to enrich themselves by building new roads that they didn't build an exit right there where the dog food plant and all are at? Money certainly doesn't seem to be the issue and it would have been a lot cheaper than the stretch out there. It might be smart to start thinking as we begin to face the peak oil facts that trucking crap all over the country won't make so much sense anymore and where we should be putting all this money is into trains. But I don't expect the suv driving fools who brought down the auto industry buying exactly the wrong kind of vehicle would have any clue about the coming changes.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

AreUNorml (Anonymous) says…

“used more for truck traffic.”


exactly right this is used more for truck traffic. without trucks you don't get squat. everything you have or want was brought to you on a truck. these guys need good highways just like the rest of us and they need to be safe. suck it up and deal with it.

I think JackRipper and Merrill where hoping the road could be reserve for bicyclists & Amish Farmers' horse and buggy vehicles. If we limit it to those kinds of vehicles, then we don't have to worry about having a shoulder on the road or the the places that have dangerously steep drop-offs.

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 10 months ago

"used more for truck traffic."


exactly right this is used more for truck traffic. without trucks you don't get squat. everything you have or want was brought to you on a truck. these guys need good highways just like the rest of us and they need to be safe. suck it up and deal with it.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

merrill (Anonymous) says…

I never realized it needed work. Seemed like it traveled fine and rarely much traffic certainly not enough traffic to warrant $1.6 million.

But lets raise taxes to spend millions on the Emp-T. Just a few years old and now we need new buses. What hypocrisy.

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none2 4 years, 10 months ago

bigbro (Anonymous) says…

This great timing for the commuters now that north Lawrence is under construction also. Why don't they work on one road at a time.

If they did every road one at a time, nothing would ever get done.

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somebodynew 4 years, 10 months ago

Obviously a bunch of negative comments from people that don't live or travel that stretch of road. I do, and am glad to see this.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 10 months ago

I never realized it needed work. Seemed like it traveled fine and rarely much traffic certainly not enough traffic to warrant $1.6 million.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

And if the accident rate is such a concern on a small country road why did they connect it to the interstate? How much intelligence is there really deciding all this stuff? Let's see, we hear and see how bad 31st street is they allow an other major apartment complex to be built that feeds on to that road. Build a whole new 59 because what I remember hearing were businesses were upset about the road infringing on them yet all along the road the business that were once on it are already closed and being torn down. Is there really any rational thought in all this or is the point just to keep enriching the current power players?

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

"During the past five years, drivers have been involved in 29 accidents along the stretch of road, Gorman said. Eight have caused injuries.

Of the five vehicles that left the road, she said, three overturned.

Such statistics are among the main reasons the county sought to overhaul the road, Gorman said. Adding paved, 8-foot-wide shoulders and extending roadside slopes should go a long way toward reducing the chances of injuries."

Are those number really that bad? 29 accidents in 5 years and some how it is going to be safer because it is overbuild which really means, preparing it for the truck traffic envisioned. If wider roads are safer why is K-10 still so dangerous? Doesn't it just encourage the average cellphone talking, terribly trained driver more confidence to think they can push the limits?

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bigbro 4 years, 10 months ago

This great timing for the commuters now that north Lawrence is under construction also. Why don't they work on one road at a time.

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JackRipper 4 years, 10 months ago

Exactly right scott. That road isn't going to be safer for the bicyclist either as it is used more for truck traffic. We are living like there is not going to be any crises coming up in regards to fuel. The money could have been better used to prepare but can't expect that since the people who demanded the suv as a family vehicle and tanked the American car companies aren't bright enough to see anything beyond their own greed.

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scott3460 4 years, 10 months ago

Walmarts, stoplights, more construction eventually to widen the road will follow, along with all the other scars of "progress" and "development." 1.6 million to make the road safe for those too stupid to drive safely. What a shame. Kiss another beautiful stretch of Kansas countryside goodbye.

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average 4 years, 10 months ago

Paved shoulders should also help reduce car/bicycle conflicts common to that stretch, while encouraging more cycling. Even better will be to figure out a way to connect the last half-mile between the north end of the SLT path and this widened road to Lecompton.

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