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Rec center funding not fully committed

July 29, 2009

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Rec center's future in question

Supporters of a new west Lawrence recreation center won a partial victory at Tuesday's city commission meeting. Enlarge video

Supporters of a new west Lawrence recreation center won only a partial victory Tuesday night at City Hall.

City commissioners agreed to leave in a $300,000 item in the city’s parks and recreation budget, but stopped short of saying it would spend the money to create a design for a recreation center at Overland and Wakarusa drives.

Instead, commissioners said they want to have a more serious discussion about whether there are other types of parks and recreation projects that should be pursued. If the money isn’t spent on designing a new center, it might be spent to improve maintenance at other parks and recreation facilities.

Commissioners discussed the recreation center proposal as part of their overall 2010 budget discussions. Commissioners unanimously agreed to publish a budget that will spend $157,260,736 in 2010, and will be supported by $164,457,707 in revenues. The city’s property tax mill levy will remain unchanged from this year.

Commissioners will finalize the budget at their Aug. 11 meeting.

Comments

Don Zimmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Do they have a clue about the economic reality out there for people who do not work for the government?.

This illustrates how they are incapable of any budget cuts when they approve budgets for projects that we cannot afford and is discretionary spending when we cannot take care of the basics.

This is a budget item that should never reached this point if they are concerned about increasing taxes.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 11 months ago

yeah, FGS, we just had to pass a sales tax item for firetrucks streets and drain pumps!

Potholes are an epidemic, and they're cutting aid to social service providers. just a few weeks ago they were considering closing the Prairie Park center.

who's even putting in time on this proposal at City Hall?

This is absolutely the wrong time for this.

kansasmutt 5 years, 11 months ago

I pitty you people in Lawrence. You have got a circus show like no other town. " the mill levy will remain the same" Now that is a line to remember.Keep in mind if the mill rate was to drop , everyone would get a nice tax break to help put food on the table, but instead the city wants to add to the budget so as to justify the high mill rate.Yall need to think hard and maybe look into your candidates when you vote them into office.It doesnt apear that the people running the budget have business savy. ( just my view as an outsider ) Just think, if money had been saved every year instead of the last minute waste from the deparments who have money left and have to dump it to be sure next years budgeet isn`t cut , yall would have millions and millions as a surplus now.

Kookamooka 5 years, 11 months ago

300K to create a design! Use the design you've already paid for out by Clinton. I wonder which interest is pushing a NEW center? You know when all is said and done, it will look exactly like the others with nothing new or innovative. Same old, same old stuff inside too.

kla4one 5 years, 11 months ago

JackRipper, every you said!

"Suggestion, why can't the banking and development community, people who have the means and the property donate land and facilities for a project like this like they did in the old days?"
We're talking to you Jana Dobson! Do some donating for the designs and don't waste city money.

kla4one 5 years, 11 months ago

oops, JackRipper, everything you said! (I should have waited till I finished my coffee.)

ilovelucy 5 years, 11 months ago

First, the name is not Jana Dobson. You may want to reread the information before commenting. Second, I'm laughing at thinking that all the bankers and developers in this town have all the "money." That stereotype is so old it's laughable. Thanks to the business unfriendliness in this town, money and employment are tight. I DO NOT support a west Lawrence rec center but your arguments are getting really old.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 11 months ago

I have a rare moment of agreement with Ripper on the PLAY issue (only).

However, IMHO, anything that may happen on the west side of Lawrence will be met with the usual shrieks from those who feel the city should cater only to the "real" Lawrence. The same people seem to have absolutely no problem accepting the disproportionate tax dollars that fund what some consider to be b.s., but all hell breaks loose if the city fixes something as trivial as a curb if it is on the wrong side of town.

mdrndgtl 5 years, 11 months ago

Ilovelucy is right. Bankers don't have money?

monkeyhawk 5 years, 11 months ago

Looks like you are up the creek, Rip. Even the three amigos couldn't help you out with your complaints. What did they do with all that money when the coffers were flush? Certainly not what you hired them to do.

(BTW - you just proved my point.)

kla4one 5 years, 11 months ago

You're right! I did get the name wrong: sorry. Jana Dobbs. And I should not be picking on her particularly. I think anyone who supports a rec ctr in W. Lawrence before upgrading existing facilities and/or building one in N. Lawrence first is making a bad choice. I guess after the recent national bank fiascos, I have a bad (and unfair) attitude towards all bankers. And, of course, I don't know what her income is and it's none of my business. But I do get tired of banks and developers in this town turning Lawrence into an endless chain of strip malls and unnecessary banklets (5 sites for one bank in a small town like Lawrence???) AND new shiny facilities for W. Lawrence. Sometimes it seems like we have more banks than churches in this town.

ilovelucy 5 years, 11 months ago

Rip: I've been in Lawrence for over 30 years. All I am trying to point out, without the ad nauseum "east vs west vs north" dialogue that has been repeated over the years,, is that the business unfriendly commissions of the past are what have created 0 job growth and made this little "burg" very unattractive for potential employers. We're reaping what was sown. Plain and simple. And WE have to deal with the consequences. Call growth whatever you want but it's the fault of past commissions that we're in the pickle we are. And, contrary to popular belief, bankers have been affected by the economy as much as everyone else has.

Don Zimmer 5 years, 11 months ago

This is not a west vs. other parts of town issue for me (see the first comment). I live in the West side and do not want to pay for a luxury when we cannot afford the basics and in a budget crisis.

I am attempting to point out how incapable they are in maintaiining a budget, yet alone governments are at cutting budgets. Local budgets should be the easiest to control. think what is happening on the State and National level.Obama promised a line by line review of the budget and yet we got a 8% increase and a stimulus package that is a failure.

puddleglum 5 years, 11 months ago

beardedgnome-"Potholes are an epidemic, and they're cutting aid to social service providers. just a few weeks ago they were considering closing the Prairie Park center. "

puddleglum-"and stoplights are killing traffic flow in this town"

bg-you need to be my running mate. please join the CREEP party and we can do this.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

If the 1,500 acre ongoing multimillions Clinton Lake Regional Park were not well underway and the high dollar USD 497 athletic projects were not under way, both of which provide much for the westside, maybe the rec center would be okay. Not now. http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/may/should_city_spend_20_million_or_more_play_project/

Thus far I do like Comm. Cromwell's approach because we do need to take a hard look at how many ways the 1995 sales tax money could be better spent.

Tax Increasing Projects On the Table: Clinton Lake Regional Park = at least 15 million USD 497 Atlhletics Project = $15-20 million 31st Sreet expansion = several million trafficway = $200-$300 Million New water & sewer to airport = 3 million Sewage Treatment Plant = $90,000,000(million) Farmland = it's a secret in millions West Side Rec Center = $7-$10 million easy School Building Maintenance = $20 million http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/oct/how_should_school_district_pay_20_million_maintena/ =========================================== Mill Levy increase http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/jul/what_do_you_think_proposed_3mill_property_tax_incr/

Do politicians always come up with the best ideas? Do developers? Does the Chamber? The answer is no across the board.

The question becomes why not ask neighborhood associations to submit ideas as to how to use the 1995 sales tax money instead of spending recklessly? Then put those ideas on a ballot for the community to decide.

royalpain 5 years, 11 months ago

What happened to my comment and the comment of JackRipper that I was responding to? Neither comment was vulgar - WTH!

absolutelyridiculous 5 years, 11 months ago

No...we do NOT need another rec center right now. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

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