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Moore praises pause in effort to create new health care plan

Insurance choice should lower costs, lawmaker says

July 23, 2009

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Rep. Dennis Moore on Thursday said he believes it makes sense for Congress to slow down — at least for now — on crafting a health care reform bill.

The Democrat, whose district includes eastern Lawrence, also voiced support for a public health insurance option to compete in a market with private plans.

During an interview, Moore said legislation should allow people who like their current health insurance plans to keep them.

“If you don’t, and it’s not working, there should be an alternative. That alternative is a public option right now,” Moore said.

President Barack Obama had pressed Congress to pass major health care reform legislation before its August recess to try to reduce the millions of uninsured people in the country and control health-care costs. But high cost projections and divisions among Democrats on a specific plan have stalled efforts until the fall.

Moore’s support for a public option is a stand different from most other members of the Blue Dog Coalition — a group of fiscally conservative House Democrats that have voiced cost concerns.

He says a public insurance option should provide competition to keep down the cost of medical care instead of putting private companies at a disadvantage and moving the country to a single-payer system.

“I want to protect against that. I don’t think a public option is going to make that happen,” Moore said.

Last week, the Congressional Budget Office dealt a blow to the White House and Democratic leadership when it projected current bills would increase long-term U.S. costs instead of reducing them.

Blue Dog leaders recently met with Obama, and their emphasis was that a reform plan should cut costs and not increase the federal deficit.

“The message that they’re delivering is exactly a message that needs to be included in this legislation,” Moore said.

Comments

KEITHMILES05 5 years, 7 months ago

NO. What the tragedy is if it passes the way Obama wishes it will totally bankrupt the country worse than it is now.

This country can NOT afford more "subsidies" for anything.

BO has ambitious plans and right now something needs to give. He can't do everything he wishes.

NO WAY.

63BC 5 years, 7 months ago

Because having already voted for TARP and the stimulus, Moore doesn't want to vote for a third expensive turkey just yet.

But as the article indicates, he will soon anyway.

Time for a real "change."

Dan Eyler 5 years, 7 months ago

I discovered Congressman Moore to be a fraud on this issue when two weeks ago he sent out a congressional office letter that stated that the quality of healthcare is getting worse and a government managed healthcare solution would improve healthcar for all Americans. As an employee of a large and not for profit healthcare system in the Kansas City area the one thing that is not suffering is the quality of our healthcare providers. I have to believe that my congressman is confusing our healthcare with the union and government owned GM car company they just took over and he voted for. Or maybe it is the trillion dollar stimulus bill that he failed to read and voted for that has been a failure and a life time tax burden for the middle class. Or just maybe it is the trillion dollar Cap and Trade legislation that he voted for in the name of global warming. What is going to suffer here is the middle class tax payers pocketbook. Middle class America needs to be aware and absolutely clear, it won't be those making over $250,000 a year or those making $350,000 or a million a year suffering in this government healthcare system. It will be another government rip off of those making $40,000 to $100,000 a year who are going to pay the healthcare tab and the rest of this craziness. Take the time to call Congressman Moore's office at 913-621-0832 and ask him if he will be covered under this healthcare plan. Will he be covered by this plan when he retires. Why your at it ask him if the 20 million illegals aliens in America and the other 4,500 a night crossing over from Mexico will be included in this plan paid for by non other than middle class America. This government healthcare plan does nothing to advance freedom or justice for Americans.

Dan Eyler 5 years, 7 months ago

Excuses, excuses from the class of Americans who want something for nothing or wants some who makes a buck more than you to carry your load. All so you don't have to have to carry your own way. Simply this you can't explain your views that make any common sense to a hard working free market American who carries their own weight.

mdrndgtl 5 years, 7 months ago

In Columbia, a pain reliever is a rat turd with a little seasoned salt.

beerdrinkingfool 5 years, 7 months ago

ok give me gov run med sounds like commy med but ill willing to pay 25% in taxes for all my meds and free let me say again free heath care . no more high rates for mal prac insur but those that want to help and work for a fair price and do good i am all for that

it is like those band that sell out they started to play music cause they loved it but lost the drive cause of money same for doc's they start to help peeps but the money make them forget why they went into the field in the first place

Centerville 5 years, 7 months ago

Why did you let him get away without addressing the fact that the Democrats bill eliminates our choice to purchase HSAs? This is the only type of policy that truly brings competitiveness to health insurance. Not to mention that the Democrats refuse to remove the 60% drag of state and local taxes from free-market insurors. This whole public option thing is an insult.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"What a tragedy if this doesn't pass. I would like to see a national referendum on it. This is the only way that the public can be heard, because obviously those in Washington are not representing us."

Someone hasn't been reading the polls.....

"Millions of Americans work in jobs they don't like in order to have health insurance."

Hey, ed - NEWSFLASH! Millions of Americans work in jobs they don't in order to buy that new car. Millions of Americans work in jobs they don't in order to be able to afford that house. Millions of Americans work in jobs they don't in order to EAT. Boo hoo.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 7 months ago

I love the idea that health care reform is going to bankrupt the country, but the current system won't.

Talk about bizarro logic.

As for complaints about legislators on the federal plan, those ring hollow when you consider the vociferous opposition to a "public option" that usually accompanies those remarks. The federal plan is first-class because of the size of the pool. This is very similar to the state employee health plan in Kansas.

As for the polls, the most recent Kaiser poll shows a solid majority are in favor of health care legislation.

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

Insurance companies exist to make money. They aren't necessarily evil, and they do help a lot of people. But, it's a bet. They are betting in the fact that most people who pay for a policy will not have to use it to the point at which the costs to the insurance company begins to lose money on that person. A person enters into this agreement (i.e. buys a policy) hoping that they will not have to use it to the fullest extent either, but that person is hoping that in case they DO get sick, they will be covered, to an extent. That's why they're willing to pay premiums, copays, etc. Insurance companies are currently regulated by both the federal and state government. In some states, (like Massachusetts) they are required to include, in all their plans, coverage for certain services and procedures that may not be necessary for everyone. If these services and procedures are covered, the likelihood of their being utilized is higher. As a result, waste can, and will occur. Another result? Few "affordable" plans. When government mandates exist, sometimes unintended consequences result.

This issue is much more complicated than most of us realize. What I do know is that government officials have no better comprehension of the complexity of the problem than many of us. For those of you who think the plan the House has been considering is the answer to the problem, I think you're wrong.

It is unfortunate that so many Americans do not have health coverage. But like a few posts have stated or hinted at already, the idea that we should be "taken care of" by someone else (our government, our society) is part of the problem.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

Bob_Keeshan (Anonymous) says…

"As for the polls, the most recent Kaiser poll shows a solid majority are in favor of health care legislation."

Yes, Bob, everyone says they want the problem fixed. Not too much 'solid support' for fixing it THIS way, though. Unfortunately, support for THIS plan has reached abysmal levels - maybe because everyone only wants the problem fixed until they find out what it's going to cost them.

Want the real numbers, Bobby?

Latest poll on the healthcare proposal:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/public_opinion_polls/fox_news_opinion_dynamics/64/based_on_what_you_know_about_the_health_care_reform_legislat-435.html

In favor: 36% Opposed: 47%


logsmoker (Anonymous) says…

"It doesn't have to be that way. Get it?"

That's right, little boy, we should all have jobs we like, even if that's sitting in the park (stoned, in your case), counting the butterflies, and nobody should ever have to do anything they don't want to, and the government fairy will come by and bring food and electricity will be free and - golly, we'll all hold hands and sing kumbaya, how wonderful it will be!

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

One point of clarification: You may be able to (temporarily) keep your current "plan" if you like it, but under this particular bill, you would not be able to maintain your FSA (flexible spending account) which many people consider a "plan."

It's my understanding those would be done away with. A lot of people utilize FSAs.

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

Oops, I meant HSA. (Health Spending Accounts).

phaederino 5 years, 7 months ago

They can only attempt a reform now that is bi-partisan. Good thing they screwed the pooch on this effort.

That means:

We all need to start working Jenkins now: No compromise on our liberty in the bipartisan second draft. You want to cover uninsured people? Fine. You want to socialize the risk of pre existing conditions by mandating that insurance companies cover them, thereby driving costs higher? Fine.

But the government must not be allowed to tell us how to live.

"As for the polls, the most recent Kaiser poll shows a solid majority are in favor of health care legislation."

Oh, I'm in favor of health care legislation:

Tort Reform + deport illegal aliens = affordable health-care with no compromise on quality. Too bad that's not the objective.

Bob Burton 5 years, 7 months ago

Here is a few reasons why this bad.. This from Family Security Matters

Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill — a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive. Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill — YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! Pg 42 of HC Bill — The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill — HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Pg 58 HC Bill — Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued! Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer. PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN). Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

ilikestuff 5 years, 7 months ago

There is no reason the federal government shouldn't be able to "reform" healthcare employing the myriad bureaucracies already within its framework. Instead of taking it over healthcare they need to provide better oversight and penalties for price-gouging, profitering, etc. w/o raising taxes.

The simple fact is the cash-strapped federal government is salivating over the cash cow that is the healthcare and they want at least a bigger chunk of the action. The only reason the affected industries aren't making a bigger stink as they have in the past when reform has been suggested is b/c they'll be allowed to remain at the trough.

What isn't discussed much is 30-40 million privately insured Americans will be reaching retirement age in the next 10-15 years thus becoming available for social security based benefits. The private sector doesn't want to lose that revenue and they'll be nicely compensated under applicable legislation which thus far has been fast-tracked.

Any expert w/an ethical backbone believes rationing is the only way this thing will ever go down. It doesn't have a thing to do w/providing quality, efficient healthcare but rather so the cash-strapped federal government can get its hooks securely into the cash cow that is healthcare. Reform is needed but this isn’t about reform, this is about getting paid.

What does the government do efficiently, EPA, DoD, US Postal Service, IRS, Amtrak? This is a money grab and nothing more. It seems our choices are A. keep getting screwed by doctors, insurance and pharma, B. begin getting screwed by the fed, C. both A & B.

63BC 5 years, 7 months ago

And now...showing what tremendous clout Dennis Moore has...they're going to force a vote next week anyway.

It's amazing how after more than ten years and now being in the majority this guy still has no sway. The people who run the House view him as just another vote.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes, notarhodesscholar. You have your poll, I cited a different poll.

Your comment referenced "the polls" as if there were some unanimity. There are several polls which continue to show a solid majority in favor of reform.

The fate of a specific piece of legislation, at this point, is immaterial. What is the support for reform? What is the opposition to the idea that the system does not need reforms?

The American people support reform and are opposed to the idea that the system does not need reform. Check the polls.

gphawk89 5 years, 7 months ago

"I would like to see a national referendum on it."

Me too. You might be surprised by the overwhelming percentage of citizens opposed to Obama's current plan.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Health insurance is not like buying a car you idiot. It is a necessity"

Perhaps if you had read my post before making an a of yourself, ed, you would have seen the words "EAT" and "house." As you so astutely noted, EATing is a necessity, shelter is a necessity, somewhat more immediate and necessary than health insurance. And the point is (You know what a point is, don't you, ed? Like the one on top of your tiny little pinhead?) that people work for those things, just as they go to work to be able to get health insurance. Most people would rather not work at all, given the choice; we work to get the things we need and the things we want. Why, again, should healthcare be any different, ed? Other than the fact that you think someone else should have to pay for it?

"And let me rephrase my statement:"

Probably a good idea since your original was moronic.

"Millions of Americans take jobs with LESSOR pay or are overqualified for in order to receive health insurance."

Taking a job that pays $5k less in order to get $10K worth of health insurance isn't exactly "LESSOR" [sic] pay, is it, ed? But don't worry, everyone will be working for less jobs will be paying less when they start paying for your healthcare out of your (heavily increased) taxes.


Bob_Keeshan (Anonymous) says…

"Your comment referenced “the polls” as if there were some unanimity. There are several polls which continue to show a solid majority in favor of reform."

Um, Captain Kangaroo? This story is about a specific piece of legislation. That was what I was referring to in the polls. If you had a third-grade reading level, you might have noticed I specifically said "Not too much 'solid support' for fixing it THIS way, though." Again, since you seem to be slower than usual today, I said everyone wants the problem fixed (not that the "system does not need reform") but not many folks want the Obama plan. But I've gotten used to the narrow-minded, ideological-blinder-wearing, laughable liberals of Larryville only being capable of seeing those two possibilities - do it the Democrat's way or else you don't want change at all.

Let's see, Bobby-boy - a 'solid majority' (61%) want reform, but only about a third (36%) want the president's plan. Perhaps there are a lot of people included in your poll that want an alternative plan, Bobby? Especially since the poll you cited says there's a heavier majority that does not want reform if it's going to increase their taxes?

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 7 months ago

As always, notarationalhuman, you are simply expressing a total lack of knowledge or understanding of both the issue and the other posters on this board.

Keep trying to jam that square peg in, eventually the edges are going to rub down.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Congressional Democrats continue to block distribution of free candy & unicorns!

"House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.

In advance of a subsequent press conference called by House leadership, Blue Dog liaison Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) said the healthcare bill should be staying in committee.

"I expect the committee process to proceed," Cardoza said.

The seven Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee stormed out of a Friday meeting with their committee chairman, Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), saying Waxman had been negotiating in bad faith over a number of provisions Blue Dogs demanded be changed in the stalled healthcare bill.

“I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate negotiations.

“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,” Melancon said.

Although those Blue Dogs were supposed to be headed back into another meeting of the Energy and Commerce Democrats, their anger was visible.

If the two sides cannot reach an agreement, the only hope for passage of the bill in the House will be to go straight to the floor, an option leaders shied away from endorsing but said was an option.

But the Blue Dogs issued dire warnings to leaders contemplating that approach.

"Waxman simply does not have votes in committee and process should not be bypassed to bring the bill straight to floor,” Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”

Melancon said there would be 40-45 “solid no” votes from the 52-strong Blue Dogs, among other problems throughout the caucus. And Melancon said there are more Democrats who will vote against the bill.

“If they try to bring it to the floor, I think they’ll find out they have more problems than the Blue Dogs.”

A leadership aide said no decisions have been made on how to proceed.

This story was updated at 4:20 p.m. "

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-healthcare-talks-break-down-in-anger-2009-07-24.html

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"The vast majority of bankruptcies are due to health related costs that people can't pay."

Another lie from the 'let's soak the rich to pay my bills' whiners.

The study that recently got all the play in the press demonstrated no such thing, eddie. The study was authored by the founders of PNHP, who describe themselves as "a single issue organization advocating a universal, comprehensive single-payer national health program" whose "members and physician activists work toward a single-payer national health program in their communities." One of the author's bios states she specifically entered the medical field as a way of promoting her social change agenda. Not exactly what you'd call an objective source. The same authors are responsible for the oft-cited (incorrectly) study that people use to claim that 1/3 of our healthcare dollars are wasted in insurance costs (that study also found no such thing).

Here's some analysis of their 'findings':

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/24/medical-bankruptcies-are-falling/

From the article: "The more recent study counts bankruptcies by both the old criteria and a new one that is only slightly less inclusive: medical bills exceeding either $5,000 or 10% of income, OR answering “yes” to a question asking whether medical bills were a reason for the bankruptcy, OR losing at least two weeks of income because of illness. This means a bankruptcy would be classified as “medical” if a filer had $5,001 in medical bills by $500,000 or even more in other debt."

So a guy who isn't paying his mortgage or his 3 dozen credit card balances that also didn't pay that ER bill last year had his bankruptcy 'caused' by medical bills. Brilliant as always, eddie.

"Spoken like a true Republican. Every man for themselves! Not my problem-solve it yourself without any help."

Spoken like a true-blue, whiny, entitled, Larryville brat - 'But, but, but I shouldn't have to work to get the things I need, they have more than me, it's not fair, not fair, not fair, gimme gimme gimme.'


Bob_Keeshan (Anonymous) says…

"you are simply expressing a total lack of knowledge or understanding of both the issue and the other posters on this board."

Wow, great comeback, Bobby-boy. Don't actually address the point (sorry, forgot, as usual you can't). Speaking of a lack of understanding, it's not my fault you didn't bother to read (or couldn't read) what this article was about before you posted.

My own 'understanding of the issue,' Bobby, comes from the fact that I work in the healthcare field and deal on a daily basis with the insanity of government-administered healthcare. Your own expertise comes from where, again? Oh, yeah, from that space between your body and your chair.

"Keep trying to jam that square peg in, eventually the edges are going to rub down."

Apparently hasn't worked for yours.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

"For those who don't want health care reform, I invite you to watch Michael Moore's movie on health care and then get back to me."

Oh, yeah, Doctor Moore's analysis.

Guess that explains who's been spoon-feeding you your pabalum, eddie.

headdoctor 5 years, 7 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Let Darwinism reign!


From a political point of view Darwinism doesn't stand a chance. Just look at the two parties. We not only tolerate ignorance and stupidity, we nurture it and it carries over in to the general public.

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

EdJay: Sorry, but I don't think "inviting" folks to watch a Michael Moore . . . "movie" is going to lend you a lot of new support.

If you supporters of this bill really want to win people over to your side, read the bill yourself and form logical, intelligent arguments. Or would you just blindly support any healthcare bill written by the dems, due to your belief of the desperate, pressing need for reform?? (and have the rest of us do so?)

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

Here's a section I don't care for in particular: "(A) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall establish a grace period whereby, for plan years beginning after the end of the 5-year period beginning with Y1, an employment-based health plan in operation as of the day before the first day of Y1 must meet the same requirements as apply to a qualified health benefits plan under section 101, including the essential benefit package requirement under section 121."

To translate the BS in quotes above, you can "keep your plan" as Obama says, FOR FIVE YEARS MAX. After that point, YOUR plan has to meet certain criteria as set forth by sections 101 and 121 of the bill.

In section 121: "(a) In General- In this division, the term ‘essential benefits package’ means health benefits coverage, consistent with standards adopted under section 124 to ensure the provision of quality health care and financial security, that- . . ." Ready to scream yet? Stay with me, please.

And finally, "(b) Minimum Services To Be Covered- The items and services described in this subsection are the following: (1) Hospitalization. (2) Outpatient hospital and outpatient clinic services, including emergency department services. (3) Professional services of physicians and other health professionals. (4) Such services, equipment, and supplies incident to the services of a physician’s or a health professional’s delivery of care in institutional settings, physician offices, patients’ homes or place of residence, or other settings, as appropriate. (5) Prescription drugs. (6) Rehabilitative and habilitative services. (7) Mental health and substance use disorder services. (8) Preventive services, including those services recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vaccines recommended for use by the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (9) Maternity care. (10) Well baby and well child care and oral health, vision, and hearing services, equipment, and supplies at least for children under 21 years of age."

Soooooooooooooo, YOUR plan will morph into someone else's plan. . . within 5 years, if you're still lucky enough to have it by then. Whether you want it or not, you'll have to pay for a plan that covers mental health, prescription drugs, etc. THAT IS LIMITING YOUR CHOICE. THAT WILL HAPPEN. It's in the d@mn bill. Anyone who says otherwise about this bill lies.

Don't take my word for it. Read it yourself. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Good luck.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

exhawktown;

In other words, every plan has to become one of those 'gold-plated' plans our president ridiculed during the debates. The ones he said nobody could afford. But somehow covering every person in the country with one of those plans is going to save us money.

That about it?

exhawktown 5 years, 7 months ago

NotaJay: Yep, I think so. I think, in the Bush years, we might have called it "fuzzy math."

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 7 months ago

notatruthteller, since my last post all I see from you is lies and generalizations straight from the Limbaugh set.

You don't have to lie about your profession to make points. The internet is full of enough nonsense.

notajayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

edjerkhawk (Anonymous) says…

" And BTW my name is Ed not eddie jerkwad."

'eddie' is a common way of addressing children. If you prefer not to be addressed that way, try acting like a grown-up. Like for instance:

"But I don't have the time like you do to spend hours researching this."

Great argument there, eddie. You don't have time to find out the facts before making up your mind. Brilliant.

By the way, eddie, everything I've posted took no more than a minute or two to find. But most of it I knew already. Unlike you, I choose to be informed before speaking out publicly. "I know I could come up with research to back my claims/views as well…" is a load of BS and a desperate gasp at preventing the inevitable discovery of your ignorance.

"You are too predictable."

You're the one citing a buffoon of a Hollywood director as a knowledgeable source, eddie.

"Its interesting that those who oppose health care reform don't have a plan of their own."

And another looney Larrytowner takes that last desperate shot - if you don't support this plan, you must want things to stay the way they are. Why is it that liberals are so limited in their thinking, that it's always either this or nothing? There have been plenty of proposed alternatives, eddie. It's close-minded ideologues like you, that think Michael Moore is someone you'd take advice from on healthcare policy and refuse to even acknowledge that there are alternatives, that are the real problem.


Bob_Keeshan (Anonymous) says…

"notatruthteller, since my last post all I see from you is lies and generalizations straight from the Limbaugh set."

Sorry,Bobby, I work for a living and don't listen to Rush. Apparently you seem pretty knowledgeable about what he has to say, though.

"You don't have to lie about your profession to make points. The internet is full of enough nonsense."

Yes, Bobby, the internet has far too many trolls like yourself. I have no reason to lie to you, Bobby-boy, as you are about as far as could be from anyone whose opinion I give 2 sh*** about. There are plenty of people here who know me and know what I do, and plenty of others who've accepted it because I've demonstrated my knowledge in this area. You, on the other hand, have been a blowhard and a liar since these message boards had the misfortune of seeing your first post.

I've backed up what I've claimed here numerous times, Bobby. You've chicken-sh***ed your way around trying to sound like you know what you're talking about and trying to distract from the fact that you're incapable of backing up your led-by-the-nose, lemming-like opinions. Good luck with that, it should serve you well.

You and eddie have a great time patting each other on the back now, Bobby. Maybe you'll be lucky enough for a third monkey to come along and complete the tableau, the one with his hands over his mouth. Too bad you guys chose to be the other two.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes, if only I could find a monkey on this thread, that would be something alright...

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