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Obama challenges GOP critics on health care

July 21, 2009


— President Barack Obama pushed back hard against Republican critics of his health care overhaul plan Monday, dismissing the “politics of the moment” marked by GOP comparisons of his efforts to socialism.

Struggling to revamp the nation’s $2.4 trillion health care system, the president gave ground on his tight timetable for passage of sweeping legislation.

Obama’s strong words came just hours after Republicans ratcheted up their criticism of the president and congressional Democrats. Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican Party, likened Obama’s plans to socialism and argued that the president, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and key congressional committee chairmen are part of a “cabal” that wants to implement government-run health care.

The White House also faced troubling news in the latest polling, with approval of Obama’s handling of health care slipping.

“We can’t afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care,” Obama said after meeting with doctors, nurses and other health care workers at Children’s National Medical Center. “Not this time. Not now. There are too many lives and livelihoods at stake.”

Without mentioning his critic by name, the president recounted South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint’s comment that stopping Obama’s bid for health care overhaul could be the president’s “Waterloo,” a reference to the site of Napoleon’s bitter defeat in 1815.

“This isn’t about me,” Obama responded. “This isn’t about politics. This is about a health care system that is breaking America’s families, breaking America’s businesses and breaking America’s economy.”

Striking a more populist tone than in past remarks, the president complained that “health insurance companies and their executives have reaped windfall profits from a broken system.”

“Let’s fight our way through the politics of the moment,” Obama said. “Let’s pass reform by the end of this year.”

That reflects a shift in a timetable he has stressed repeatedly. Obama had said previously that he wanted the House and Senate to vote on legislation before lawmakers leave town for their August recess, with a comprehensive bill for him to sign in October.

“I want this done now. Now, if there are no deadlines, nothing gets done in this town,” Obama told PBS’s “The NewsHour.” “If somebody comes to me and says ‘It’s basically done, it’s going to spill over by a few days or a week,’ you know, that’s different.”

He said too much of the focus has been on what has not been accomplished instead of on a coalition of health companies, professionals and constituents. Later in the day, aides organized a conference call for Obama to speak with liberal bloggers and rally them behind the White House’s broad outline for overhaul.

“One of the things that I know the blogs are best at is debunking myths that can slip through a lot of the traditional media outlets and a lot of the conventional wisdom,” he said, according to audio of the call posted on Web sites. “And that is why you are going to play such an important role in our success in the weeks to come.”

Steele accused Obama of conducting a risky experiment that will hurt the economy and force millions to drop their current coverage.

“Obama-Pelosi want to start building a colossal, closed health care system where Washington decides. Republicans want and support an open health care system where patients and doctors make the decisions,” Steele said in a speech at the National Press Club.

Asked whether Obama’s health care plan represented socialism, Steele responded: “Yes. Next question.”

Obama has said he does not favor a government-run health care system. Legislation taking shape in the House envisions private insurance companies selling coverage in competition with the government.

The president is struggling to advance his trademark health care proposal after a period of evident progress. Two of three House committees have approved their portions of the bill, while one of two Senate panels have acted. A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama’s handling of health care overhaul slipping below 50 percent for the first time.

The president, who spent most of last week making his plea for health care overhaul, was pressing his case hard again this week, first at the children’s hospital, and later this week in a prime-time news conference Wednesday and a town hall in Ohio on Thursday.

Conservative Democrats have raised objections to some elements of the legislation, and Pelosi is floating an idea that could make proposed tax increases more palatable to them. She would like to limit income tax increases to couples making more than $1 million a year and individuals making more than $500,000, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said Monday. The bill passed by the House Ways and Means Committee last week would increase taxes on couples making as little as $350,000 a year and individuals annually making as little as $280,000.


SettingTheRecordStraight 8 years, 10 months ago

Before we commit to spending 1,500 billion dollars (that's $1.5 trillion), shouldn't we consider the multiple competing plans' merits much more carefully? Lawmakers haven't even read the plans, but there seems to be a hurried rush to pass something, now.

Congress would be wise to not hasten its way through such a massive spending proposal in such a very short amount of time.

Shane Garrett 8 years, 10 months ago

From the Washington post: "As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus's political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year's reform debate.

Top health executives and lobbyists have continued to flock to the senator's often extravagant fundraising events in recent months. During a Senate break in late June, for example, Baucus held his 10th annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in Big Sky, Mont., for a minimum donation of $2,500. Later this month comes "Camp Baucus," a "trip for the whole family" that adds horseback riding and hiking to the list of activities.

To avoid any appearance of favoritism, his aides say, Baucus quietly began refusing contributions from health-care political action committees after June 1. But the policy does not apply to lobbyists or corporate executives, who continued to make donations, disclosure records show."

SettingTheRecordStraight 8 years, 10 months ago


I and others have offered multiple reasons why a government takeover of healthcare would lead to poorer health, higher costs and less innovation.

We don't have a perfect healthcare model here in United States, only the best in the world.

salad 8 years, 10 months ago

All the scared-of-their-own-shadows conservatives should be comforted by the thought that even though we desparately need universal heathcare and reform of the system, it will never make it through Washingtons legislative grid-lock. Look at it this way: the Bushies had a complete lock on every branch of govt. for 8 years and could do NOTHING with regard to abortion legislation. They could persue kooky wars in the middle east, pee all over the constitution, ruin the economy, and sell the country to their corporate buddies, but meanwhile we have the worst healthcare/$$$ spent in the world.

Shane Garrett 8 years, 10 months ago

"Daschle says health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. Try asking Tom "Deutch" Daschle if he would exchange his current health care plan for the one Obama is asking congress to provide us.

labmonkey 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr. President-

You should not sign anything into law that doesn't put Congress, yourself, and your family under the same plan you want to force upon millions of Americans.

jaywalker 8 years, 10 months ago

Slow down, you move too fast........ Reasonable opposition and discussion is vital. But no matter what they come up with, the only way I'm gonna feel 'good' about it and truly believe D.C. is on our side and knows exactly what they're talking about is if they take ownership by including themselves in the plan. If it's gonna be good enough for us, they should be under the exact same type of coverage and dealing with it just like our families do. Don't give us bologna while you're eating prime rib.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 10 months ago

Expect lies, distorted info & big buck questionable commercials from the repub party aka character assassinations to destroy any movement toward repairing the damage from wreckanomomics aka 30 years of Reaganomics.

The republican party is living in fear that the USA may bounce back after 8 years of their war mongering bank fraud economics. The fear is if the USA quality of life improves dramatically they are out of politics for a very long time.

What do they fear? National Health Insurance HR 676 that contains costs and saves $350,000,000,000 annually plus would cover every person for all necessary medical care including: prescription drugs hospital, surgical outpatient services primary and preventive care emergency services dental, mental health home health physical therapy rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) vision care hearing services including hearing aids chiropractic durable medical equipment palliative care long term cancer care.

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

What else is the opposing party afraid of:

  • New Industry thus new jobs thus new wealth for the USA

  • Green Collar Industries which produce jobs that cannot be outsourced

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Being exposed as the party manipulating the lower middle class,middle class and upper middle class to fund increasing wealth to the upper 1%.

  • Losing of tax incentives/tax breaks for the wealthy that actually create tax increases for entire spectrum of the middleclass thus constantly reducing the wealth of the middleclass.

  • Clean air, clean water, clean energy and healthy green space scattered throughout america.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 10 months ago

""The time for talk is through." -- President Obama, talking to liberal bloggers on a conference call Monday night. The Democratic bills in the House and Senate are a thousand pages long. They're still changing as committees try to mark them up, or as they mark up other versions of health insurance legislation. There's huge uncertainty about how lots of provisions in the bills and under consideration would work--OMB Director Orzsag and HHS Secretary Sibelius couldn't answer straightforward questions on Fox News Sunday and Meet the Press. Nothing goes into effect in any case until 2013--except the tax provisions, which would begin in 2011. Yet President Obama wants everyone to stop debating and deliberating, and act now--because he and he alone has decided "now is the time to go ahead and act." Congress should assert itself, stand up for the deliberative and democratic process, and defy this presumptuous presidential dictate. The time to debate is now. There's plenty of time to act later."

Flap Doodle 8 years, 10 months ago

"...Obama has insisted repeatedly that the bill would not force people out of their private health insurance plans, which have over 80% of Americans satisfied at the moment. Now we find out that Obama hasn’t read the section of the bill that pertains to the issue? It shows that Obama has been talking out of his hat the entire time, and has become so disengaged from the process that he’s not bothering to keep up with the legislative changes."

BigDog 8 years, 10 months ago


Your source for this data?

It seems that the Congressional Budget Office hasn't calculated the costs on this bill yet. Though several of the health reform bills have been .... and some have actually increased the cost of health care in their estimates.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 10 months ago

"Obama's talk about his health care plan creating more competition is bunk. It will virtually make private health insurance illegal. If you are self employed like my husband and I are you will not be able to get private health insurance. You will be required to get on the public option. Take a look at this language in HR 3200 under section 102 with the Orwellian title Protecting the Choice to Keep Curent Coverage:

Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1. And then there's this:

Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1. So, the private insurance companies will have built in price controls on existing customers, yet they won't be able to bring in new customers after Y1 of the health care plan. How do the private insurance companies compete with the government run health care plan? They don't. This bill is designed to kill the private insurance industry and force people onto the government plan.

And if you get your health insurance through your employer, you're not off the hook either:

The Commissioner shall establish a grace period whereby, for plan years beginning after the end of the 5-year period beginning with Y1, an employment-based health plan in operation as of the day before the first day of Y1 must meet the same requirements as apply to a qualified health benefits plan under section 101, including the essential benefit package requirement under section 121. In other words, if your employer offers health insurance, he has five years to make his plan identical to the public option. So what's the point of remaining with your probably more expensive employer's private health care plan? There isn't any, so once again, the government forces you onto its government run health care system and under its thumb."

staff04 8 years, 10 months ago

I thought the page 16 thing had been cleared up? Oh, that's right, you failed to read the rest of the bill (or take your knowledge of insurance law into account) to put page 16 into context. If you had you would know you've parroted a quickly debunked lie.

Oh ferchrissakes, it isn't worth it.

Read the rest of the freaking bill before you trot out something as stupid as "it outlaws private insurance." It doesn't, but I guess like all of your peers, a lie repeated often enough...

madameX 8 years, 10 months ago

Here's a link to the actual bill:

If you start at the beginning of the section which the Pg 16 paragraph is part of (bottom of pg 14) you can get a better idea of the context. From what I can tell, this section is laying out certain standards that, if passed, this bill will require all insurance plans to meet. Sec. 102(a)(1)(A) is part of a section on grandfathering in old plans, meaning that if your plan doesn't meet the new standards you can keep it, but if new people are enrolled after the bill takes effect the plans they are enrolled in have to meet the new standards. I don't think it means they can't enroll new customers, I think it means they can't enroll new customers on old plans.

puddleglum 8 years, 10 months ago

okay, so some of you are falling for this 'socialism' tag. nothing socialist about it. if you call halping to afford health care via government assistance, what do you call stoplights? Roads? police departments? Firehouses? some of you don't like the raise in taxes. I understand. The problem, once again, isn't who pays for whos insurance, the problem is the inflated costs of insurance. It needs to change-then everyone would be happy. (except insurance companies.) (and insurance company lobbyists)

staff04 8 years, 10 months ago

Thanks have more patience with them than I do.

That sums it up very nicely.

Shane Garrett 8 years, 10 months ago

Can I ask someone whom might know the answer? What if my company decides that the current health care plan is costing the company to much money, can the company simply drop it and tell the employees to get on the government plan?

staff04 8 years, 10 months ago


All of these comments are based on my understanding of the current draft proposal. The bill is still a draft and is subject to change.

With certain caveats, yes, your employer could drop your coverage. Of course, in the current system they can also drop your coverage.

If the business is big enough, they would have to either offer employment based coverage or pay into the public option (which, as currently proposed will offer coverage that is comparable to employer sponsored plans).

The major difference you would likely encounter is that under the current system you would have to pay out-of-pocket costs for insurance coverage or go without. Under the proposal you would have the opportunity to purchase coverage under the public option at rates close to what most employees pay for their employer sponsored plan.

Jim Phillips 8 years, 10 months ago

Apparently, there is more bad about the bill than people knew, which seems to support the big, bad Conservatives "unfounded" concerns. Even the Dems are refusing to vote for it as is. GIven the fact there are not enough Republicans to kill anything the Messiah wants passed, someone apparently did not get the marching orders not to read the bill before voting.

KS 8 years, 10 months ago

Now we know why he MUST use a teleprompter! He can't keep a straight face while lying to the American people. I said a long time ago that this guy was going to make Jimmy Carter look good and the current polls reflect just that. He ranks #10 of the last 12 Presidents in approval ratings at 6 months into his term. Bush even beat him. Gosh, how did that happen?

Flap Doodle 8 years, 10 months ago

Marry in haste, repent in leisure (the motto of the folks duped into voting for the current occupant of the White House).

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

logicsound09 (Anonymous) says…

"However, it is a balancing act, as while spending time is prudent to make sure the solution is ideal, spending time is also a political tactic for opposing/obstructing change altogether. And when the RNC chairperson comes out using words like “socialism” and “cabal”, it doesn't sound like they want time to get the plan right. It sounds like they want to use time as a weapon against the success of any real reform."

Or maybe the more time people have to study the bill, the worse it looks. If it's such a great idea today, it will still be a great idea tomorrow. If more time makes it less palatable, there's a reason for that.

"It's too bad that most Republicans don't want to have a serious discussion on the issue, as it is a complex problem, and one that I, for one, would appreciate having a valid opposition to help tweak and improve proposals."

BS, and you know it. There have been numerous proposals from both sides. The Republicans have brought up proposals to cut the cost of healthcare such as tort reform and other reforms that would make healthcare more affordable regardless of the pay source, not to mention refundable tax credits and other ways to pay for it. It's not that the Repiblicans haven't made suggestions, they're just suggestions the Democrats won't consider, and (apparently) the liberals on these message boards won't even acknowledge.

"Unfortunately, most Republicans are more satisfied to bleet the same lies over and over, using this as a political weapon rather than an opportunity to serve the American people."

Like the lies perpetuated over and over and over again by the Democrats (see merrill as a reference)? Like the one-third of our healthcare dollars go to insurance company profits and other such ridiculous claims? Or 50 million people can't get health insurance? Those kinds of lies?

The Republicans are not in power any more, logicsound. If the Democrats were united in favor of this cr*pola, it would already have passed. The fact is there's no way the Republicans can stop it without resistance from within the Democratic party. And as far as what's best for the American people, 50% of them say the Obama plan isn't it (a significantly larger percentage of the populace than those registered as Republicans, BTW).

madameX 8 years, 10 months ago

"""LS09, re: licensing. It has nothing to do with ensuring that doctors are qualified, it is a non-competition scheme."""

Can you prove this? I'm pretty sketical.

madameX 8 years, 10 months ago

I don't think AMA issues licenses, I think state medical boards do. So its goal likely is to protect it members but that isn't really relevant. I understand the logic you're following, but it's still just your opinion, not proof. If you can cite me something official that states that the goal of medical regualtion is to reduce competition, not protect patients I'll belive you but until then it's your opinion versus mine, and I haven yet to be persuaded to change mine.

madameX 8 years, 10 months ago

""""LOL, like they'd say that as their goal—”making a cartel for driving up prices!” What exactly is your justification for accepting what the government tells you?""""

Well what would be the motive for the government to drive up prices? As we can see, the just get a bunch of pissed of constituients who insist that they do something to lower prices. I don't necessarily believe what they say, but why would they join your "price fixing cartel" if there's nothing in it for them?

jumpin_catfish 8 years, 10 months ago

If it passes as is, it will be a disaster. If it is throughly debated and studied by congress and passed, it will be a disaster. Our elected officials are only pushing through what the lobbyist wrote for them. Politicians don't write law, special interest write our laws.

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago


This might be a first - your post being longer than mine! :)

"My point was when the requests for time are accompanied by inflammatory and sensationalist language, the request for more time seems less genuine."

No different than the inflammatory statements coming from the other side. Remember all the rhetoric about S-CHIP, how if the president vetoed it he wanted poor sick children to die? Neither side ever thinks their criticism is inflammatory.

"I have a hard time believing that attempting to reduce frivolous malpractice suits will result in a significant overall reduction in healthcare cost."

You know what they say in Washington - a few billion here, a few billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money. No, it wouldn't solve the problem. But it would help. Maybe that's the problem: everyone wants the magic bullet, ONE thing that's going to fix the whole problem. Why can't it be a combination of a lot of smaller fixes?

"my point is that if you are going to cut cost by taking away a revenue stream to the government, you have to find another way to fulfill the service that was being filled by that revenue stream."

Or - and I know this might be a radical idea - cut costs somewhere.

"Regarding the specific claims you raised..."

That 31% figure has been thrown around so much it has mutated into a mantra and has been blamed entirely on the costs of insurance. The study you refer to, which appeared in the NEJM, was written by the founders of PNHP, who self-describe themselves as being dedicated to only one option, single-payer taxpayer-funded healthcare. The study was fraught with assumptions and methodological problems, and it did not conclude any such thing (although elsewhere on the PNHP's site they attempt to blame all those costs on insurance) - most of those administrative costs would not be reduced one iota no matter who pays.

And the number of uninsured, as has been noted in the press and cited by numerous posters here, includes a lot of people who are uninsured by choice or should not be eligible for taxpayer-funded benefits (e.g. illegal aliens). I believe the actual number who really can't get insurence is closer to 17M?

"They are using falsehoods to rail against a plan that isn't even remotely socialist."

Based on the strict definition that Socialism is when the state owns the means of production (like, say, General Motors). But if the government is paying for healthcare, whether a single-payer or being the largest insurer, they control the means of production, whether they own it or not. Every small business owner understands that - it's a myth to call yourself 'self-employed,' you work for the people that purchase your product or services.


notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago


"Also, I might add that my fundamental problem (the current rhetoric being spewed by most Republicans) is likely a contributing factor to public opinion, valid or not."

How gullible you believe the public to be. If they were that easily swayed by what they see on TV, how come they aren't massively in favor of the bill after listening to the rhetoric of a still-popular (however temporarily) and charismatic president?

As for whether they are faster at making up their minds quicker than the legislators are, judging by past performance, they've probably read more of the plan than the legislators have (or will). Too many legislators don't know or don't care what's in a bill their party leadership tells them to vote for (or against). And isolated in the ivory towers of D.C., most of them will never be affected by their decisions and they really don't care. There are provisions of this bill that you or I know immediately how they will affect our lives, and it might only be one or two provisions that make the difference to us. It takes a little longer for a legislator, responsible for affecting the lives of millions of constituents, can analyze the whole package and evaluate the effects on all of them.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

I reference the current Liar in Chief residing in the White House. He is a master of deceit. Problem is, we are on to his lying ways. We see that "who, me?" innocent look, and we know he is lying; we see his feigned "gravitas" look and we know he is lying; we see is "Hey, bro, whassup" look and we know we are being played. Then we see his jaws clenched, edges of mouth turned down, brows furrowed, and reddened eyes drawn to slits, and we observe the real Obama.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

My correction: Obama is The Most Audacious Liar in Chief in the History of the Free World.

That better?

beatrice 8 years, 10 months ago

beo, you are wrong. Common sense and reality won't sink in for the neocons. They will just get more and more shrill with their whining because nobody is paying any real attention to them anymore. America has flushed that toilet.

KS 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Nancy - I see it coming. It's going to be fun watching him implode. I don't understand how he can get up in front of the American people and keep a straight face when telling all those lies. Hummmm! Teleprompter, maybe?

ChrisNyberg 8 years, 10 months ago

America has flushed the toilet with neocons and were puking in the toilet with government programs. There is only one true leader in America and that is Ron Paul. If people want the truth check out

ChrisNyberg 8 years, 10 months ago

America got another Bush and his name is Obama. Spends like Bush and wants everything to be Government run.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

Obama is already one of the worst of all time. Look at the bright side, he has dug himself in so deep, all he (and we) can do is look up.

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…

"If you can't practice medicine without permission from your master then you aren't free."

The slight flaw in your argument is that anyone (at least anyone capable) is free to earn a license to practice.

I am the holder of a professional license. The requirement to be licensed in order to practice does limit the practitioners, obviously. It limits them to those who can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of the state licensing board, that they possess the requisite education, training, and experience to provide services with an acceptable level of competency. It does not limit competition. Anyone, including you, is free to compete with me. Go to school, get your degree, complete your internship, pass the exam, and get your license.

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

"Sooner or probably, much later probably, common sense and reality will finally sink in."

Sooner than you think, BeO. Support for your Messiah is eroding pretty quickly, actually.

beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"They will just get more and more shrill with their whining because nobody is paying any real attention to them anymore."

How many registered Republicans are there, bea dear? How many people in this country oppose the president's healthcare plan? Seems like someone's listening (although obviously not many of those someones live in Larryville). Especially when you consider that, as you point out, they have no real power to stop Obama in the legislature - seems even some Democrats are coming to their senses and listening to the Republicans, since he doesn't seem to be getting his way even with a bullet-proof majority.

tunahelper 8 years, 10 months ago

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

  • Hillary Rodham Clinton during the 2008 Presidential Campaign

Richard Heckler 8 years, 10 months ago

The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $2 trillion annual U.S. health insurance bill is paid through taxes which comes to $1.2 trillion. $1.2 trillion is a sweet gravy train for the industry.

Not only does doing nothing increase the cost of health insurance so do the house and senate bills receiving all the attention.

The business community should be demanding HR 676/Senate 903. Then they should be demanding no employer should be forced to pay UNLESS an employer wishes to reimburse an employee as part of the pay package.

This discussion is about about health insurance not health care. The insurance industry is doing a great job at confusing the public. The US Chamber of Commerce is part of the confusion campaign.

Dan Eggen and Kimberly Kindy Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, July 6, 2009 The nation's largest insurers, hospitals and medical groups have hired more than 350 former government staff members and retired members of Congress in hopes of influencing their old bosses and colleagues, according to an analysis of lobbying disclosures and other records.

Too many legislators are on the confusion band wagon as shareholders and special interest campaign money receivers:

Senate Report Finds Insurers Wrongfully Charged Consumers Billions

Paying More Getting Less

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Merrill, do you want to be a loser regarding your healthcare?"

That was a rhetorical question, I presume? Heck, I just wonder why he keeps bothering to post the same cut-and-paste cr*pola. Everyone just skips over them, and everything he's posted has been proven to be untrue countless times.

(btw, merrill isn't capitalized - nor does it deserve to be.)

notajayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I used to think that myself. Still believe he's some kind of bot, not a real person, but it appears to post at random rather than according to any particular trigger words (merrill will post his BS about healthcare to a thread about a stolen bicycle).

Remember when he spammed the thread following his own LTE? That was amusing.

Satirical 8 years, 10 months ago

Don't worry citizens, Obama is working hard and making back-room deals with all the drug companies to keep you safe...

puddleglum 8 years, 10 months ago

hey everybody, forget all this, I am the one who is right.

KS 8 years, 10 months ago

I see in the news on the web this morning that BHO now wants to play doctor on TV. Says a doc will take out tonsils on a child for money versus treating it as an allergy. How the he!! does he know what is right? Who found this guy?

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