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School board to consider moving ninth-graders to high schools

The school board is considering reconfiguring the school system to help school teach in a more efficient manner. The board will discuss possible changes this week.

July 13, 2009

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Lawrence is the last district in the state of Kansas with junior highs, but that might be up for discussion soon.

Lawrence public schools are configured with kindergarten through sixth grade in elementary schools, seventh- through ninth-graders in junior high, and grades 10 through 12 in the district’s two high schools.

“We like to view ourselves as very liberal in some ways, but we are very traditional,” said school board President Scott Morgan. “Everyone else has gone to some kind of four-year high school.”

A goal-setting session for the board and Superintendent Rick Doll is planned for August. Morgan wants to make sure a school configuration discussion is on the agenda.

“There’s a lot of interest on the board looking into very seriously moving ninth-graders to high school,” he said.

While Doll can’t predict what the board will want to set as goals, he said if they want to look at school configuration, the administration can make the changes.

“The basis of the decision should be what’s best for kids,” Doll said. “If we decide and the school board decides that a reconfiguration is best for kids, then we can make it happen. There’s no right or wrong way to configure schools.”

Morgan said the board tried to broach the topic of changing the school grade lineup a few years ago.

“The community got pretty upset about it,” he said. “All I know is every other school district in Kansas has done this and the world continues to rotate.”

But there are a lot of questions to answer: Would there be enough room in the high schools for four grades? Would boundaries have to change? What about school consolidation?

“If we have many more years like we are having now, frankly, all bets are off,” said Morgan. “We’re going to look at just the most efficient way we can to deliver it (education).”

Space isn’t as much of an issue at the junior high level because sixth-graders would simply replace ninth-graders, who would be moving into the high schools to make them 9-12 buildings.

“Lawrence High used to have over 2,000 kids back in the peak of the baby boom,” Morgan said. “We now have maybe 1,200. It’s different how we do things now between special education and a lot of the other smaller classrooms we do.”

Doll noted that students wouldn’t be the only ones moving; some teachers would have to switch locations as well.

“Some staff would move from middle to high. There’d be some staff that would move from elementary to middle,” said Doll.

But Morgan said continuing budget troubles could lead to major alterations.

“If the economy hasn’t turned around significantly for revenues to come up, we really are going to be looking at some dramatic changes just so that we can continue to provide the kind of education Lawrence expects,” he said.

The district has 15 elementary schools, four junior highs and two high schools.

Comments

KS 5 years, 11 months ago

Kids grow up too fast already today. Going into high school at the ninth grade level just makes it worse, in my opinion, I don't know of any good reason to do otherwise. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Public school districts have had the open check book of the taxpayers for years. They are spoiled with money. Now that things are a little tight, the sky is falling. Just because your friend jumped off a bridge, should you? That seems to be the attitude. I would not have a child of mine in a public high school for all the tea in China.

Kookamooka 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't think our city is aware of how serious our budget crisis is. If shuffling grades around buildings is a more efficient way to deliver a quality education, so be it. Just don't pull the arts out and I'm happy.

Keith 5 years, 11 months ago

This just seems like a ploy to crowd the High Schools enough for the school board to want another one.

cato_the_elder 5 years, 11 months ago

Lawrence doesn't need to be like any other school district. Moving ninth-grade freshmen to the high school buildings will soon give rise to calls for a third high school before this community has become fully acclimated to two. Is this the tail wagging the dog? Which school board member(s) want to build yet another high school building containing a plaque with their name(s) on it? The common-sense citizens of this community who are possessed of foresight need to get serious and stop this before the damage is done. We have very successfully educated multiple generations in Lawrence using the junior high system, in which students enjoy two sets of three-year experiences: Ninth graders are the "king of the hill," and thereafter get to do it again as high school seniors. Every effort is made to emphasize to Lawrence students that although ninth-grade freshmen matriculate in junior high school buildings, they are in fact considered to be freshmen for purposes of their high school transcripts. Most Lawrencians do not want ninth graders in the same school building with seniors in high school. Moreover, many members of the public do not understand what the "middle school philosophy" actually is, and would reject it if they understood it. Similarly, only a few people in the community know what it has really cost in terms of taxpayer dollars to run two high schools instead of one, and in these times we do not need to take on the greatly added cost of operating a third high school very shortly down the line. Additionally, moving ninth-grade freshmen would create many difficult issues as to which grade levels are to be put in the junior high and elementary school buildings. This needs to be stopped, and stopped now before the pet project of a few is again allowed to engulf our community.

momof4 5 years, 11 months ago

Ninth graders are high schoolers, they should be in the high school.

absolutelyridiculous 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes...do it. This a more cost effective way to operate a high school...9th grade requires the same labs...and teachers to go with them...that 10-12 does. It just makes more sense.

It will be okay people...for as "progressive" as Lawrence is...we certainly are behind the times...like 20 years.

Get a grip people.

multiagelearner 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree with Mr. Morgan...the world continues to rotate! I also think that sixth graders are too big and mature for elementary schools. If we are looking at what other districts in the state are doing, and with all of the budget concerns, let's talk about the amount of money they are spending to pay the tution for teachers to earn their ELL licensure! We are the only district requiring all classroom teachers become ELL certified, and paying them to do it! Time to get creative and realistic.

deskboy04 5 years, 11 months ago

Everyone else is doing it (9th graders at the high school) so it must be the right way to do things.

Sharon Aikins 5 years, 11 months ago

Seems like there's a lot of conclusion jumping here. Why in the world when we are struggling with the buildings we have would the school board suggest a third high school? Oh, I know anything's possible but let's wait and see how they suggest using the space we have first. It is about space here, and finances. If the school board was spoiled by the open checkbook theory, then so were we as consumers.

I went to a four year high school. It is high school and there was nothing wrong with being there. So I didn't get to be top dog every three years. I survived it and with a pretty good education from a relatively small school district that was able to offer me all the courses I needed to go on to college well prepared. In fact, I'm thinking I was more than ready than some.

My kids went to school here. Honestly, I don't think they got any better an education in Lawrence. It isn't about numbers, finanaces, etc. It's about our kids adapting to a situation, as they will many times in life, and being able to come away from it with the best education possible under those circumstances. With a four year, they may actually be able to offer more classes to more kids in that four year period. Before we start screaming wolf, let's listen to what they have to offer. After all, our kids are going to be parroting our opinions and if ours are all negative, so will theirs. Too many people here go over the cliff before they realize they had a chance to stop before stepping off.

gsxr600 5 years, 11 months ago

Some classes are going to get cut. Class size is strained enough. If this passes, it is a decision that must be carefully planned. In my opinion, this is a terrible time to start talking about new ways to spend money.

John Hamm 5 years, 11 months ago

Another example of a failed school system! How many years ago (70s or 80s?) was it decided "we can't have these young children in with the older, more adult high schoolers." Now another flip-flop (and about time!) while our children can't read, write or perform arithmetic (without a calculator) but they feel good about themselves.

MrShades 5 years, 11 months ago

Like Redmoon, I too attended a "Middle School" for 6, 7 and 8th grades, and High School for 9-12. This is not a new concept, it works well in many parts of the country. I do not believe our 6th and 9th graders are any "more special" and I am sure they can adapt just fine. Let them study, let them get input from parents, students, teachers. Let our new super do the job he was called to do, improve our district.

mom_of_three 5 years, 11 months ago

I was in 9th grade when they moved 9th graders to high school where I grew up. And we survived. 9th graders are high schoolers as far as their transcripts are concerned. Surprised it hasn't happened already.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

One day USD 497 taxpayers will demand of the school board to maintain what they have before extraordinary spending on something new takes place that increases the USD 497 tax bill for years and years and years aka forever. YET leaves extraordinary maintenance on existing facilities still left unattended...

*School Maintenance http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/oct/how_should_school_district_pay_20_million_maintena/

salad 5 years, 11 months ago

KS (Anonymous) says…

"Kids grow up too fast already today. Going into high school at the ninth grade level just makes it worse, in my opinion, I don't know of any good reason to do otherwise."

Because that's the way we USED to do it. Going to high school makes things better for 9th graders. You fail KS.

momof4 (Anonymous) says…

"Ninth graders are high schoolers, they should be in the high school."

X2

Jeanne Cunningham 5 years, 11 months ago

OK. So, here's another permutation... when I was a kid, grade school was K - 6, junior high was 7 - 8 and high school was freshman, sophomore, junior and senior (no one ever even thought of HS as 9 - 12...) Of those I graduated with, all have completed some form of higher education, 85% are college graduates and 10% have PhD's.

Now, out there in Central Kansas in my small hometown, ALL students K - 12 are in the same building (K-6 on one side, commons in the center and 7-12 on the other side). The drop-out rate out there is such a tiny bit over 0% that it is statistically insignificant. Maybe they know something we don't know....

Jim Williamson 5 years, 11 months ago

Here's yet another chance for the populace of Lawrence to show how resistant to change it is. Let's see how it goes...

in123 5 years, 11 months ago

So we built the additional grade schools and expanded the junior highs. Hmmm! Let's move more students into the high schools so we will have to expand those now. It is amazing how much building the school district has done and the only enrollment increase has been in the virtual school. Your taxpayer dollars at work.

Zachary Stoltenberg 5 years, 11 months ago

I didn't grow up here, I'm a transplant, but I'm a product of public school and I went to a Jr. High (7-9) and a high school (10-12) and truly believe it to be a better system. The "MOM O' Whatever"s are wrong. Kids change fast at that age and 6th graders are not mature enough to be lumped in with 8th graders, the same with 9th and 12th. There is a huge different between a 13-14 year old and an 18 year old. I'm not about to touch the whole "top dog" issue because I think it's stupid. There shouldn't be any hazing or hierarchy at all in school. If Lawrence truly wants to be progressive look at what new things are being done instead of following "what everyone else is doing." My home school district has changed since I graduated. They put 1-3 in two schools, 4-6 in two schools, 7-8 in the Jr. High, 9-10 in a new high school academy, and 11-12 in High School. It's a new approach where each group of kids has the teachers, the resources, and the instruction tailored specifically to their grade, age and development. I don't really even know how to respond to the idiotic comment by multiagelearner. Lawrence schools pay teachers less than any surrounding district. I think anything they can do to attract newly graduating teachers and try to keep them here is excellent. I congratulate Lawrence on requiring ELL, what a "progressive" step. And heck yes, if you require it then you should pay for it. Yes, let's whine and complain about test scores but let's not invest in our teachers. Idiot. I think in the current economy it is just wrong to spend any money making such a massive change and I don't believe the argument that it will cost less this way. They aren't going to close any schools, operating them all and paying the teachers isn't going to change, just the added cost to move everything. What is right for other districts isn't right for Lawrence right now.

WhiteDog 5 years, 11 months ago

I just don't understand how simply moving the students from one building to another saves any money? What am I missing?

spiff 5 years, 11 months ago

Do it.

I think the move would be even better for 6th grade than 9th grade. End the time wasting and coddling of elementary school as soon as possible.

number3of5 5 years, 11 months ago

If any of you can remember back far enough, 9th grade was put in with junior high along with 7th and 8th because of over crowding of the then existing high school. This is not something new for 9th graders to go to a high school. It is just going back to the way it was years ago, so get over it and let the school board do the best job it can, isn't that why you elected them?

sciencefair 5 years, 11 months ago

When I went to 6th grade, we graduated to the middle school. The middle school had 7&8 as well, but they were mostly in the other building. Since 6th graders didn't change classrooms (except for advanced classes as well as computer lab and PE), there was rarely any interaction between the 6th graders and the rest of the middle school.

I guess none of the people commenting here did classes like debate or forensics in high school, but that is one area where it really helps to have 9-12 high schools. I would have had one more year of social awkwardness, had I not had the opportunity to be in the same class as the juniors and seniors.

rivercitymom 5 years, 11 months ago

Um, zstoltenberg, 9th graders are 15. They are also high schoolers carrying a high school transcript and most are SO READY to be in high school and not in junior high. I also think more of them would get the message "time to buckle down, I am in high school now and this counts" if they truly, physically, were in high school when they started taking high school courses.

Someone might have mentioned this, but there is also a lot of duplication of coursework between the junior highs and high schools because classes (geometry, for example) have to be offered to many of the ninth graders and to lots of sophomores. It completely makes sense, costwise, to do this.

And, as Morgan said, LHS had 2,000 students when it was the most full. Both Lawrence high schools have lots of room for growth as I am pretty sure they both have less than 1,200 now. The "third high school" threat is nothing but a red herring.

Janet Lowther 5 years, 11 months ago

Not only students are subject to fads, so are schools. Practically every idea for educating kids has been tried, most more than once.

The thing is, no two kids are the same. If we are going to spend money on schools, we should spend it to individualize instruction, not waste it on structural reorganization.

Some schools are now starting to go to a K-8/9-12 system, a system not much seen since the days when one room schools and eighth grade graduation tests were still common.

If you change now, in 20, 30, or 50 years, they will be wanting to change again, as another wave of educational fashion sweeps through.

Not to mention the little matter of how many millions of dollars will it cost to expand two high schools by a third? A total waste of money. Just personally I think people advocating this change have an "edifice complex." (So named on account of all the promising silicon valley startups which went bankrupt after building a new headquarters building.)

Ceallach 5 years, 11 months ago

Have they just forgotten why the four year high school system was changed in the first place? It's not as though it hasn't been tried.

UlyssesPro 5 years, 11 months ago

"There’s no right or wrong way to configure schools.” -- Scott Morgan

Ummm, yes there is and it seems we are doing it the wrong way. We're loosing money and can't afford to keep the few schools we have here open. Year after year we spend more, hope for more, and get . . . less. NCLB? Low Teacher Pay? Classroom size? What can we blame next?

How about we sell off half of our schools to private Lawrencians who have a plan to pay teachers more, offer quality education, and keep the cost of education down? Who in Lawrence can't afford education? If schools had to compete with each other for Parent's attention and money, would we have standardized tests? Would we spend only 40 percent of our education budget on teachers and 60 percent on bureaucrats? Would we get rid of the arts? No we wouldn't. We would have quality education, driven by communities, not lawyers in Topeka.

Public schools are quickly becoming a thing of the past. This economic period proves that we simply can't afford to pay for schooling, even when 50 percent of the state budget is thrown at schools. In Kansas that money comes from the state income tax. It currently takes on average 96 days to work off what you loose in state taxes. Can we really spend any more money? Can parents afford to work longer so we can raise taxes to build another building?

Shuffling kids from one school to the other is exactly what it seems . . . sleigh of hand.

chargdup 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm in my 30s, and I too attended ninth grade as part of high school. I can't imagine having a high school with only 10th through 12th grades would have been any different.

I'm not sure what the deal is here, except "But, but, but ... We've never done it that way!"

KansasPerson 5 years, 11 months ago

I often hear fearful comments about the consequences of having 9th graders in the same school building as the 12th graders. It's never quite spelled out what horrible things the older kids will make the younger kids do, but in reality, most HS seniors wouldn't be caught dead hanging around with the freshmen anyway, so what's the big deal?

Furthermore, folks aren't looking at the flip side of having them in the same building. Are you assuming that all seniors are going to influence the younger folks for the worse? What about the positive aspects of having really good 12th-graders there for the younger kids to emulate? Even when you're admiring them from afar, a good older kid can be a positive influence. And don't tell me there aren't good older kids because that's just not true.

(I went to a 9-12 so I may be biased.)

9070811 5 years, 11 months ago

Well it hasn't been too long since I was in USD 497... (at KU now )

In 6th grade, I felt way to old to be at Deerfield. The work was a big step up from 5th grade, not to mention the maturity level. I can say that it made us feel a little childish to still be there. Plus some of the stuff we knew about and ...umm...we did...was a little inappropriate from younger grades (excuse us). Also, what we learning was not quite compatible with the younger grades. We visited our respective junior highs at the end of year. In that time I felt like those students were more to my favor. They were as mature as we could be at that age. They had similar likes and dislikes.

Once again, this feeling happened in 9th grade. Believe me, 9th graders are way different than sevies and 8th graders! A few student athletes and "gifted" students, also some special ed students would go to the high schools for varying purposes. However, it is difficult to enter those programs. Transportation and money are the biggest issues. Scheduling between both schools is also tough problem.

Debate, for example, is AMAZING (okay, personal opinion, I did it all 3 years). However, we were novices our sophomore years. Which means we generally competed against freshman. So, when we reached our 2nd year as juniors we would be competing against sophomores who'd have two years on us. Or more likely, we'd compete against 3rd year, Junior year debaters. Though, Free State did end up winning state in 2007! Some schools with debate programs do not allow freshman to compete, but rather train them the entire year. This is very beneficial and makes for super teams, believe me, I've debated them. The same school of thought could go for math teams, theatrics and other programs that are basically not sports. Starting these activities as a freshman can really increase your chances at good grades, scholorships, admittance to great universities and an overwell sense of self confidence. Funding would probably be easier to come by because of devotion. The same goes for basic required classes.

As for a sentimental approach, high school would have been more enjoyable had I been there 4 years. School spirit lacks quite a bit. Yah, sports get the most of it. But all the other programs would be more enthusiastic and would have a higher chance for funding if students could enter them in 9th grade. It may take a year or two to really love what you're doing, allowing for more spirit in the junior and senior years.

If these changes do take place, I'd have to say that I'd be a bit jealous!

Point to make: entering high school as a sophomore put us at a disadvantage.

Tony Kisner 5 years, 11 months ago

Morgan said the board tried to broach the topic of changing the school grade lineup a few years ago.

“The community got pretty upset about it,” he said. “All I know is every other school district in Kansas has done this and the world continues to rotate.”

I agree with you Agnostick, the guy we elected to the school board has a clasic well researched answer. See above. "And the world continues to rotate" Was Scott expecting that it would stop?

I know that is my typical sales pitch to my clients. "Where is the value?, well everyone else is doing it!" It is right on message and gets them every time.

mightyquin 5 years, 11 months ago

Just because every other district in the has the ninth grade in high school does not mean they are right nor is it a reason for us to blindly follow along. Conversely, just because we have done something for a long time doesn't mean it is the best way to do it. If there can be some tangible evidence that this change is better for our kids then by all means make it. However, if those on the board are wanting this change just for the sake of change then please leave it alone.

MyName 5 years, 11 months ago

I went to a 10-12 grade HS (they changed to 9-12 a few years ago). I don't think it made any difference either way. The only benefits might be that the 9th graders could have access to some of the better facilities available at the High School. However, other than passing periods, I think the interaction between grades is minimal, so it's just a question of which way is a better value.

kusp8 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure Topeka Public School USD 501 still has Jr. Highs. I'd go as far to say I'm 95% sure.

KS 5 years, 11 months ago

salad - 9th graders are still kids. You have truly failed on that one. Unfortunately this is not about educating the kids but about wanting more money for the districts.

puddleglum 5 years, 11 months ago

this is simple: K-6th grade= grade school 7 & 8th grade=jr. high school 9-12th grade=high school there, all of your problems are solved.
it is what every other school in Kansas does

salad 5 years, 11 months ago

KS (Anonymous) says…

"salad - 9th graders are still kids. You have truly failed on that one."

Wrong again KS. You have apparently never taught or interacted with 9th graders for years. Not the little precious children you'd like them to be. I've seen them come to school: stoned, drunk, with parole officers, pregnant, indifferent to others, etc, etc... In the "good ol' days" you so painfully seem to long for, "kids" of 9th grader age were ready for marryin', havin' babies, goin' to work, and gettin' on with life. In the Amish culture, boys of this age go to work in the saw mills and fields to earn their keep. 9th graders in our culture NEED to grow-up.

KS 5 years, 11 months ago

salad - I rest my case. And you want to throw them in with a wilder bunch in HS? This is the exact reason I would NEVER have a child of mine in public schools. I know full well they are not the little angels. They have grown up too fast in this culture and you seem to want to advance it more.

mom_of_three 5 years, 11 months ago

I am not wrong zoltenberg.
Don't know about statistics, but 9th graders are considered high school. Their transcripts start in high school, and they are eligible for high school sports in 9th grade. 9th graders in this town travel to the high schools for practice in softball, baseball, soccer, track, gymnastics, tennis, etc., and if I left anyone out, it was not on purpose. I remember when I was a 9th grader starting high school (and being the first 9th grade class in high school), I was a little nervous. BUT it soon passes. The seniors were not out to get us (unless you walked down the senior steps - do you remember this autie?). I transferred to another school later in the year, and freshmen went to the high school and it had been that way for years.

bretherite 5 years, 11 months ago

Topeka did this when I was in 8th grade (1981 ish) everyone freaked out and pitched a major fit. I remember my mom being up set that I would be 14 and in school with 18 year old boys - the horror. Fact was they Sr.s could have cared less about the freshmen. They had their eye on getting out of school and going to college. If everyone is so freaked out look at the Highland Park High school model - the Freshman are in another part of the school - annexed from the rest of the student population.

bretherite 5 years, 11 months ago

Chuckbee24

You are wrong. USD 501 went to the 9-12 model back in the early 1980's and then later changed the school grades to K-5, 6-8 and 9-12. That is how it is now.

honestone 5 years, 11 months ago

When the second high school was built there was an idea floating around to: K through 5 in the grade schools 6 through 8 in the Junior Highs 9 and 10 at LHS with a closed campus 11 and 12 at FSHS with an open campus and save the third high school battle to split the community

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 11 months ago

I went to high school in the ninth grade and I turned out OK. Well, mostly OK.

puddleglum 5 years, 11 months ago

icedovers sez: “this is simple: K-6th grade= grade school 7 & 8th grade=jr. high school 9-12th grade=high school there, all of your problems are solved. it is what every other school in Kansas does”

this statement is simply wrong

let me correct it: this is simple: K-6th grade= grade school 7 & 8th grade=jr. high school 9-12th grade=high school there, all of your problems are solved. it is what every other sane school in Kansas does melt away your troubles with Calgon

rubyslipper 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm fine with change however I do feel that when my daughters get to be in high school I would be a bit concerned with my 14 year old having the potential to date an 18 year old. Yes I know it happens no matter if you separate the ages or not but why put the temptation out there? Just a thought to add to the many.

penguin 5 years, 11 months ago

The access to extracurriculars like debate and forensics was actually one of the selling points that Olathe used when speaking of moving 9th grade to the high school. Students in 9th grade could always be involved, but the travel and disconnect from teammates makes it a nightmare to deal with. This also carries over into other advanced classes. There might be answers to those now, but isn't the district trying to reduce bus travel? I thought I heard that somewhere.

However, I guess that the Lawrence system explains why kids are so proud of their Jr High ...even when they are in high school. When I have been in classrooms at LHS or FSHS I kept hearing kids in 11th and 12th grade speak of how great their Jr. High was and how they miss those days. Again this could have changed in the last few years, but it was something that always shocked me...because it seemed to occur in every classroom.

However, if people think this will be free...it will not be. I know the Olathe change was accompanied by a bond issue or two. I am going to guess that at best the claim will be that the cost savings in one area outweigh new spending in another. I will try to reserve all judgement until the details of this plan come out, but I expect it would take multiple years and a few extra dollars to accomplish it.

kansasgal 5 years, 11 months ago

Lawrence doesn't even have full-day Kindergarten, which in my opinion, is a more important discussion than whether 9th graders belong in middle school or high school.

With that said, 9th graders have access to a wider array of curriculum choices at a high school than a middle school. For academic purposes, 9th graders belong in high school.

alor 5 years, 11 months ago

I attended school in Kansas where the grade schools were K-6, junior high was 7-10, and high school was 11 & 12 in the same building as the junior college (we called it 13 & 14). This was a very strange system, but worked just as well as any other that has been proposed. Kids adjust.

3up3down 5 years, 11 months ago

Time to move the freshmen out of my building and to the high school buildings where they are supposed to be. I hate to see such bright young minds get placed on hold because we cannot give them the AP courses and electives they qualify for in the junior high buildings. Finally we have a superintendent and school board that has seen the light.

StirrrThePot 5 years, 11 months ago

Topeka Public Schools changed to its current model as I was leaving "middle school" (where it was grades 7-8) in 1989-90. They interviewed outgoing 8th graders about what they thought regarding 6th graders coming to middle school. Most of us, recalling how awful 7th grade was, said we didn't think it was a good idea. They made the change anyway. So....if Lawrence Schools decide to do it, it really won't matter what the rest of us thinks. If it does happen, it will not be an overnight process.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

The next step will be a Morgan favorite.

Closing down neighborhood schools so people can drive all over town.

GardenMomma 5 years, 11 months ago

What's wrong with the way it is now? Other than, everyone else does it that way?

I mean, if it's working, why change it? Why spend money to study to change it?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Kathy Gates 5 years, 11 months ago

Okay, here's yet another option to rock some of your worlds. I attended a high school that went from grades 8-12. It was absolutely fantastic! I had access to extracurricular activities and was able to take five years of a foreign language. And as far as the whole "I don't want my 14 year old daughter to be able to date an 18 year old" goes... Freshman and seniors are in very few, if any classes together. Their lockers are nowhere near each other. This is about not having to duplicate classes in the junior highs and the high schools and students having access to more classes during high school.

sandersen 5 years, 11 months ago

If the move to include 9th in high school (which is what the schools I attended did) and to move 6th into middle school (again as the schools I attended did), I think the additional space in the elementary schools should be put to use for full-day kindergarten.

Just a thought...

kugrad 5 years, 11 months ago

If you are a person who would NEVER have YOUR kid in the public schools then why don't you just shut up? If you don't personally work in a school or have children who have gone through public school, then you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Everytime public education comes you can count on those who want nothing to do with it to start telling everyone else what education policies should be. Well, you don't have a f#$Y#(&Un clue so just shut the #)##)${# up #)${#)$)#$)#))#$)@_#

end of rant. Thank you.

Lori Nation 5 years, 11 months ago

Shouldn't they be concentrating on how to get our kids to school safely instead of working on other projects?????

kugrad 5 years, 11 months ago

KU grad admits to having a pet peeve here, apologizes for ranting, and will now go take appropriate meds. Please return to your normal programming.

Katara 5 years, 11 months ago

sandersen (Anonymous) says…

If the move to include 9th in high school (which is what the schools I attended did) and to move 6th into middle school (again as the schools I attended did), I think the additional space in the elementary schools should be put to use for full-day kindergarten.

Just a thought… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think that is an excellent idea.

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