Archive for Friday, July 10, 2009

Camp: Private pool turned away minority swimmers

July 10, 2009


— Members and officials of a private swimming pool in a predominantly white Philadelphia suburb reacted to a visiting group of minority children by asking them not to return and pulling other kids out of the water, a day camp director said, and the state is investigating.

The Creative Steps camp in northeast Philadelphia had contracted for the 65 children at the day camp to go each Monday afternoon to The Valley Club in Huntingdon Valley, camp director Alethea Wright said Thursday. But shortly after they arrived June 29, she said, some black and Hispanic children reported hearing racial comments.

“A couple of the children ran down saying, ‘Miss Wright, Miss Wright, they’re up there saying, “What are those black kids doing here?”’” she said.

The gated club is on a leafy hillside in a village that straddles two townships with overwhelmingly white populations. It says it has a diverse, multiethnic membership.

Wright said she went to talk to a group of members at the top of the hill and heard one woman say she would see to it that the group, made of up of children in kindergarten through seventh grade, did not return.

“Some of the members began pulling their children out of the pool and were standing around with their arms folded,” Wright said. “Only three members left their children in the pool with us.”

Several days later, the club refunded the camp’s $1,950 without explanation, said Wright, who added that some parents are “weighing their options” on legal action.


jaywalker 8 years, 9 months ago

Stomach churning. I'd like to read a story within the next couple days where some sly sneak snaked a hose into that pool and filled it with the contents of the nearest septic tank.

Jim Hoffman 8 years, 9 months ago

this story was started by a philly inquirer columnist with an agenda. real story is: owner of a private pool/club wants to make some extra cash/be a nice guy, and allows a camp to buy use for a day. suddenly, quiet pool setting is overrun by kids... people who paid money for a private pool not overrun by lots of kids complains... owner doesnt want to tick off paying members, so he changes his mind and refunds the money.. one group of campers happens to be black, so its automatically racism per this columnist...

Jim Hoffman 8 years, 9 months ago

if you pay extra to go to a private beach, and when you get there, the beach is packed with people, including noisy kids, would you not go to the owner and say "hey, i paid extra for a private beach, who are all these people?"... so, if the people im complaining about happen to be of a minority, does that make me a racist?

headdoctor 8 years, 9 months ago

PHILLYJIM (Anonymous) says…

this story was started by a philly inquirer columnist with an agenda. real story is: owner of a private pool/club wants to make some extra cash/be a nice guy, and allows a camp to buy use for a day. suddenly, quiet pool setting is overrun by kids… people who paid money for a private pool not overrun by lots of kids complains… owner doesnt want to tick off paying members, so he changes his mind and refunds the money.. one group of campers happens to be black, so its automatically racism per this columnist.

Interesting theory. I just have to wonder how the Philadelphia Inquirer could have started the story when the news broke on the story the day before they printed their article on it. I also have to wonder, if there was no racial intent from their actions, then why did they not choose their words better when they had plenty of time to work out an answer that would not have been nearly as suspect?

Regardless of who started the article it isn't anymore suspect than your explanation of what you think happened. All to often people who are racist can perhaps change their actions for the short term but can't change their thought process that runs their speech patterns.

dandelion 8 years, 9 months ago

“A couple of the children ran down saying, ‘Miss Wright, Miss Wright, they’re up there saying, “What are those black kids doing here?”’” she said.

So the white kids are ok? I can hear them now: "We aren't racists. Our maids are black, our gardeners are hispanic, and our pool boy is black. We even let them take a quick swim sometimes, after hours of course. We are equal opportunity employers." Sounds like they are doing a lot of backtracking to me.

KEITHMILES05 8 years, 9 months ago

Classic back tracking by crackas when caught.

imastinker 8 years, 9 months ago

Are the kids not black? Nobody said in the ariticle that derogatory comments were made.

I actually have no idea after reading the article what actually happened.

I can see kids being very confused when their pool which usually has white kids at it all of a sudden had 65 minority kids show up without explanation. I can also imagine that 65 campers made a lot of noise and commotion. Kids that age in a group are obnoxious.

KansasVoter 8 years, 9 months ago

This sounds like much ado about nothing. I'm sure that the members of the private pool would have reacted the same way if 65 white kids invaded their pool. The camp should have taken the kids to a public pool.

dandelion 8 years, 9 months ago

If I saw a bunch of strange kids in a private pool that I frequented, I would say "Who are all these strangers?", why would you need to point out their race? That doesn't make any sense. The club manager probably had no problems with the kid's race, but he/she apparently didn't understand their members very well. Or maybe he/she did understand all too well. Maybe that's why he/she rented the pool to these kids - to expose the racism in this place. That would be funny.

imastinker 8 years, 9 months ago

Dandelion - what difference does the work Black make? They are being descriptive. How is this different that saying "look at the yellow car over there?"

Is it different to you because you are trying to show racism where there might not be any?

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

Well, at any rate the manager at the pool used an unfortunate choice of words when he said, "There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

Freudian slip, perhaps.

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

Please watch this interview. If this little boy's tears don't convince you that harm was definitely done and that racism hurts, nothing will. One member of the club was appalled that this occurred and said the children were well behaved.;photovideo

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

By the way, the day camp had paid $2000 to swim there once a week.

frank mcguinness 8 years, 9 months ago

Seems like a lot of ignorant racists on this board. Cough Imastinker Cough Phillyjim cough kansasvoter

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

ChiHawkInKS (Anonymous) says…

This is all a bunch of stupid Jesse Jackson crap. I would be pissed if I were a member of a club and a bunch of stupid camp kids came and crowded up the place. I could care less what race they were though. People forget that this was a private club… the camp was entitled to nothing. This is just a bunch of liberal media idiots looking to lynch some upper middle class types.

As I mentioned earlier, the camp actually paid $2000 in advance to use the pool was a week. They were entitled to the services they purchased. Nice use of a racially charged word, lynching, in your comment. Your "true colors" are shining through.

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago


It is interesting how you'll come to a politician's defense (Sarah Palin) about a joke by a comedian but think the overt racism in this instance toward 65 children is funny and an excuse to promote your hatred toward our president and vice-president.

begin60 8 years, 9 months ago

KU-Lawrence is just as bad in their tendency to tolerate prejudiced and discriminatory treatment by their staff and undergrads --they seem to have no problem chasing victims of bigotry down in aggressive violation of protected privacy rights and with a despicable show of who they actually see as the guilty party describing such persons in profiling and hate-speech terms. What could be more abusive and damaging than being continually forced to deal with a large local populus who doesn't understand they are committing stranger assault and harassment when they approach people in public and buttonhole them by imposing bigoted attitudes? A community welcoming to diversity realizes that allowing and encouraging self-identification, not viciously or clumsily labeling others and treating them accordingly, is the key to equal rights and opportunity. Lawrence can be a very hostile environment for diversity--where one often cannot even feel reasonably safe from egregious insults and bigoted interference from complete strangers on the streets, quads or when using public accomodations. This is ultimately an abuse of power and trying to put people in their perceived place, hardly a sign of overrated midwestern friendliness

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

Would people be mad if it were a bunch of kids getting kicked out of a YMCA?

Why should they get kicked out of any place that they had paid money to swim at, YMCA or this private club? There doesn't seem to any allegations that the children were misbehaving or doing anything else to break the rules. The were kicked out because they changed the "complexion" of the pool. Many people fear large numbers of minorities gathered together, even children. Well, it's time we all get got over that! I would hope people would have empathy and tolerance for these children no matter what their political party. But, since, you do bring up the Nazi's, they certainly resented and feared people of different racial and religious backgrounds.

Again, let's see if this story generates the outrage that "foaming at the mouth conservative idiots" (to borrow your outrageous generalization) expressed over criticism of Sarah Palin.

TheOriginalCA 8 years, 9 months ago

There are more cases of unreported reverse discrimination than there are total white vs minority discrimination.

kugrad 8 years, 9 months ago

Phillyjim, Yes, I'm sure you are an expert on this story and we should all believe every word you say. Surely the children and adults who were actually there have no idea what they are talking about. It is the "agenda" of the media that is to blame, not the pervasive racism in our society. Thanks for your well-documented assertions, they really clear things up.

Alia Ahmed 8 years, 9 months ago

TheOriginalCA (Anonymous) says…

There are more cases of unreported reverse discrimination than there are total white vs minority discrimination.


Leslie Swearingen 8 years, 9 months ago

"The club refunded the camp’s $1,950 without explanation..." That is a lot of money to pay out for the children to use the pool one day a week. The other people who are in the club should have been notified of this well in advance. Apparently it was quite a shock to their system when "colored" children showed up. Since they paid so much to use the pool, perhaps it should have been closed that day to all but them. The manager of the facilities accepted the check and cashed it. Their money is as good as anyone else's. Isn't it?

Ceallach 8 years, 9 months ago

Sounds like the club's management messed up big time. Members should have been notified that Monday afternoons would see a huge influx of campers between 5 and 12 years of age. Even without members present, 65 campers that young would require a large number of counselors; it was bound to cause pandemonium. If it were white inner-city kids, my guess is the reactions would have been the same. Who can possibly be surprised that elitism rears its ugly head at a private pool?

GardenMomma 8 years, 9 months ago

$1,950 divided by 65 children divided by 8 weeks in the summer equals $3.75 per child per week. Not really all that expensive.

dandelion 8 years, 9 months ago

If you look at the CBS interview posted earlier, you'll also hear some of the other comments made, like we don't want you around our kids. If it's a private club why are they letting the pool out to day camps? Do they have agreement with other day camps or vacation bible schools? If so, what is the racial make-up of these other groups? That would be in interesting investigation.

local_support 8 years, 9 months ago

ChiHawkInKS just got owned up and down this thread.

I went ahead and tried to get someone over at the Valley Club on the phone (215.947.0700) to help clarify things but it rings through to a hold message.

Satirical 8 years, 9 months ago

I am confident and comfortable with the fact the state is investigating this issue. Racism in any form is wrong, but I am not conviced if the allegations, even if true, prove any racism by the owner. Based on the facts there may be a claim of racism against the other patrons, but I don't think that is actionable.

To play devil's advocate, one could argue asking why the "black kids" were there isn't inherently a racist statement. Also, one could argue that the reason some of the parents took their kids out of the pool and standing around with their arms folded is because they were upset that they planned on spending the day at a private pool with few children, and then suddenly dozens of kids show up unexpectedly.

They probably relied on their previous experience that the pool wouldn't have many swimmers, and now their day has just suddenly changed. Although reacting in the manner they did (assuming it is true) is childish. My wife took our kids to a private pool recently and when several more kids showed up she took the kids home because it was just too many kids for a small pool.

I try not jump to any conclusion whenever anyone claims any action is based on race, because often it is just a red-herring.

wordgenie8 8 years, 9 months ago

Many posts here express due impatience and empathy that racial injustice--directed of all things at these sweet, orange- t-shirt-dressed children--still exists in 21st century life, but I remain dismayed by the amount of willful ignorance here; viz,: "What's wrong with calling these kids black?" Politically correctness and tolerance no longer are of the option; they have become a basic requirement for civil discourse and public interaction. When we stoop to identifying others via one of their legally protected characteristics it pretty much shows at least a subconscious prejudicial and profiling intent. It's a act of defamation--reducing people to caricatures and one-dimensional stereotypes that are implicitly being used as shorthand for a smear campaign: "You are African American, so I better hold my purse tighter: your kind steals."This type of treatment or even automatic conditioned response can be terribly demoralizing and dehumanizing and should not be tolerated in civilized society.

Satirical 8 years, 9 months ago


Some African-Americans find it offensive to be called African-American. Some black people find it offensive to be called black. Some people of mixed race find it offensive to be called one or the other. There is no universal consensus on the politically correct term. Not every descriptive word is intended or should be taken as an insult, and does not reduce a person to a caricature. Using the terms "colored" or using the N-word has a historically negative connotion, but referring to African-Americans as black does not.

If this were West-Philadelphia, and a bunch of white kids showed up I think it would be understandable if they were referred to as white kids. Why? Because it would be a distinguishing characteristic that would allow the listener to quickly ascertain to whom the speaker is referring. I don't know the intent of the alleged statements and I am not going to assume, but referring to African-Americans as black isn't politically incorrect.

Leslie Swearingen 8 years, 9 months ago

Would someone care to tell me why the management of the pool sold the tickets to the group in the first place? Everyone seems to forget or overlook that these people paid for the right to be there. The club must be run very poorly to let something like this happen. Or could it be that someone at the club is angry because it is racist and is trying to call attention to it?

Satirical 8 years, 9 months ago


The issue would be a breach of contract since they paid to use the private pool. The owner did have a right to exclude them but would be in breach of the contract. The larger social issue is the reason behind the breach of contract. Even though breach of contract actions typically don’t have punitive damages, if the contract was breach because the owner didn’t like kids of different ethnicity then it should be cause for concern. However, like I stated earlier, I based on the facts given, even if true, there isn’t a strong argument for racism by the owner. Even though the community may be predominately white, I find it hard to believe most of them don’t have frequent and substantial contact with members of different races living northeast of Philadelhpia.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 8 years, 9 months ago

Nothing ruins a swimming pool like a bunch of eager youngsters anticipating a wonderful outing in the sun.

Exclusive footage at midnight....

jonas_opines 8 years, 9 months ago

Begin60, just get a damned shirt that screams "Stay The Hell Away From Me Because I Hate You" and then you wouldn't have to engage in all of these silly tirades.

wordgenie8 8 years, 9 months ago

Hello Mr. Satrical, honorable sir--I'm not playing semantics or advocating word games here. The CBS video shows what is at stake and what happened at the pool much more fully than the news story printed above. One point is people should be allowed to self-identify and choose their own names. Names in some native traditions are even viewed as being like little gods or daimons or genii, spirits that preside over people and places: they carry untold power.

Plus, there are sound reasons profiling is illegal: it's usually reductive and insultingly attempts to identify and characterize people based on superficial characteristics. If some insensitive, politically incorrect university wants to go around identifying my friend as"that blind professor" even though he is probably more brilliant and aware and ethically attuned than they-- am I not justified in responding in kind:" these backward people around here who don't have their brains in gear"? Names reify perceptions--they indicate what we choose to focus on and emphasize. They communicate value judgments--to identify someone in profiling terms is to profoundly devalue and dehumanize them.

Satirical 8 years, 9 months ago

LS09…. “I don't know many people who use skin color as a descriptor unless they are trying to specifically reference a person who is fairly nondescript outside of their skin color.”

I think is fairly common if they are the only person of their race in a group. I think most people try to find the most obvious part of an individual when describing them so it is immediately apparent and not ambiguous as to whom you are referring. Often referring to someone as white, hispanic, black, is the most expeditious way if you don't know them. If they would have said, “what are those new kids doing here” it could be referring to any number of kids that seemed out of the ordinary to the listener. I doubt whoever said the alleged statement new there were exactly 65 kids. Perhaps they could have referred to the “group of kids”, but perhaps they were spread out and not grouped together.

Second, even if the term black wasn’t absolutely necessary, why do you think referring to someone(s) you don’t know but a visible characteristic is necessarily racist?

For example, if the camp were a group of Southern Baptists, and someone said, “what are all these Southern Baptists doing here,” I wouldn’t immediately assume calling them what they are is derogatory. But it depends on how it was said. If it was said by a person/group that historically dislikes Southern Baptists then it is more likely the statement was meant to be derogatory, but again, just based on a plain reading it is impossible to ascertain.

I think what the members did was childish, but again I wouldn’t call it appalling without more evidence that their behavior was meant to be racially derogatory. I can definitely see where you are coming from, but I would need to hear the comment before I made any definitive conclusions.

dweezil222 8 years, 9 months ago

Logan72 (Alia Ahmed) says…

TheOriginalCA (Anonymous) says…

There are more cases of unreported reverse discrimination than there are total white vs minority discrimination.



Possibly so, but there are a lot. My favorite example is the number of college scholarships I was eligible to apply for when I was doing so. I'm white, so remove about half the list right there. I'm also male, so there goes a substantial portion of what's left. Keep whittling down other specialized scholarships, and pretty soon I'm eligible for roughly five out of an eighteen-page list. And yet I was called a racist and had someone threaten to kick my ass when I said that if people are allowed to create scholarships only for minorities or women, that it should also be permissible to create a scholarship requiring its recipient to be a white male with financial need. If race or gender are permissible criteria, they must cut both ways.

beatrice 8 years, 9 months ago

"Dandelion - what difference does the word Black make? They are being descriptive. How is this different that saying “look at the yellow car over there?”"

Are they being simply descriptive, or are they making a judgment based on race? Do they also say, "Look at those white kids" in order to be equally descriptive? Didn't think so.

TheOriginalCA: "There are more cases of unreported reverse discrimination than there are total white vs minority discrimination."

What a silly thing for anyone to write. First off, there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination," there is only "discrimination." I'll bet you also use terms like "white slavery," as if it somehow makes it worse than any other form of slavery. Secondly, you don't know much about the history of this great country of ours, now do you?

bearded_gnome 8 years, 9 months ago

first, whatever is behind this, I'm really sad for these kids. when I was a kid, I attended a summer camp several years. camp had its own pool, a nice one. there were kids of all races, black, white, albino, mexican, etc. we all had a great time.
whether or not 'racism' was behind this, this incident and all the surrounding attention will be hard on those kids. those kids just wanted to have their camp, have a good time and play. now they're caught up in this!

KEITHMILES05 (Anonymous) says…

Classic back tracking by crackas when caught.

uh, see the racism in action. a similar label applied to blacks would rightly draw lots of criticism.

Chihawk, the camp contracted for this. do you seriously think the camp didn't inform the pool operator of who they are? who their kids are? the spokeswoman for the camp group has a first name often associated with black women, so if any deal was made face to face, he met with a black woman in the process of signing them up.

somebody responsible for the supervision of that pool at that time should've imposed some order, called the local police if necessary, and the camp kids should've been swimming having a good time. one or two disgruntled parents who use inflamatory racist language maybe should be charged with disorderly conduct.

I actually agree with Alia's posts here [a very rare occurrance!].

let the kids have a fun summer. please, just whack idiot parents who have a problem.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 9 months ago

I love how LS09 "piece of garbage" thinks he/she/it knows the law better than the Supreme Court of the United States of America! LOL

it was indeed racism that Newhaven engaged in, they threw out the results of the fire dept. promotion test based on the racial makeup of those who passed it, even though no racially preferential elements could be found in that test.

most sadly of all, today the racist epithets are the strongest profanity. if you want to really offend, you may use a racist term, put someone down based on race.

no, am not excusing the loser parents who behaved worse than the kids. they're adults and should be held accountable for what they did.

there is no indication that the pool operator did anything wrong in the content of this article, except failing to fulfill his contract on the day the camp kids came.

oh, to those talking about the large group, and being rambunctious...again I'm sure the camp operators notified the pool operator how many kids were coming.

now, did the pool operator fail to notify his members? we don't know from this article.

again, let the kids have a fun camp and a good time together. many of the kids at my camp would be described as poor, inner city kids. we all had a wonderful time. Summer camp taught many things and was very good for me and the other kids.

now, I'm actually married to someone who attended my summer camp. but at the time she wouldn't have paid me any attention, as I was/am younger than her. lol

begin60 8 years, 9 months ago

Shame on you, Jonas. How dare you hone in here on me with your mean-spirited and hardly perceptive "advice"?

I beg your kind pardon, but please don't opine so flippantly about the inexusable, far-reaching failure of the locals to reasonably respect civil rights laws. No one has the right to harass others on the public streets or any school campus, even in the so-called name of "helping." It's incredibly backward, illiberal and nothing to be proud of. There is simply no excuse for violating the personal boundaries of strangers in such intimate, demeaning ways. People should not be offensively casting those they don't know in unwanted, antiquated, dependent roles based on bigoted first impressions. Only Tigers and Jayhawks behave like this--UCLA Bruins and Colorado Buffs are way beyond such crude unsophistication. Please get out your school "harassment" handbook and read up or go to diversity training class, jonas_opinas: this is uncivilized and unacceptable discriminatory behavior that creates an illegal hostile environment.

Standing up for reasonable civil rights and against aggessive, officious harassment and discrimination is hardly to engage in a "silly tirade." Please grow up and learn to show more respect for the righteous causes of social justice. To interfere with the equal employment and educational rights and opportunities of capable others is no small matter, and so yes indeed, it's very difficult for me to feel much affection or, god forbid, "gratitude" toward these civil rights violators on wheels. I do try to avoid the word "hate" though--it's probably unenlightened bad karma to invoke such negativity even in the face of entrenched ignorance,no?

tunahelper 8 years, 9 months ago

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sandersen 8 years, 9 months ago


Your aura is ugly and vile. There is absolutely no redemption or excuse for the vulgar post at 5:43pm.

jonas_opines 8 years, 9 months ago

"Shame on you, Jonas. How dare you hone in here on me with your mean-spirited and hardly perceptive “advice”?"

It goes well with a mean-spirited and hardly perceptive point in the first place. That you are so insecure as to hate people so vociferously for attempting to (gasp) assist you is no one's problem but your own.

"I beg your kind pardon, but please don't opine so flippantly about the inexusable, far-reaching failure of the locals to reasonably respect civil rights laws."

I'll opine on whatever subject I feel like, thank you. If you don't like me responding to your rants with my version of a tiny violin, then quit posting and go away. Otherwise, the option to ignore me is always available, But I'm not going to stop pointing out that you are mean-spirited, hateful, and obviously insecure about being disabled.

"Only Tigers and Jayhawks behave like this—UCLA Bruins and Colorado Buffs are way beyond such crude unsophistication."

Then go back. Not that I believe that in the slightest.

dandelion 8 years, 9 months ago

If the club allows other youth groups to pay to use the pool, and they are white, then there is some racism involved. Is anyone investigating whether or not other white day camps or other youth groups use the pool for a fee?

wordgenie8 8 years, 9 months ago

The CBS news video shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the mere presence of these darling children at the pool led helter skelter to a barrage of accusatory stereotyping by the whitestream swim club members.

To those of you blog posters who just can't understand what's wrong with describing the kids as black--though it does suggest that's the first and last of what you are able to see-- you've possibly too long lived an insular whitestream existence and likely need to attend re-programming camp to get your closed minds forcibly opened--or else maybe you were just born thick and can't help it. One last hypothesis is that you are doing your best to reframe your willful ignorance as a virtue or a matter of simple, cool neutrality, but understand me--yours is an offensive, culturally-bound, white a$$ perspective.

This is the same "driving while black" logic cops use to pull over African Americans or Latinos at unfair rates and otherwise abuse police power and violate people's civil rights. Black robes, white justice--that about sums it up.

wordgenie8 8 years, 9 months ago

Jonas, you insightful creature whom KU obviously adores, "regarding people as disabled" is illegal and against civil rights law. Do something about your ignorant, malfunctioning brain, please. You really are crossing a line of decency to apply such attitudes and characteristics to an anonymous stranger online. And unless you know someone by choice embraces a certain legally protected identity you have no arrogant business in heck to impose this attitude or identity on them. You really need to stop molesting and harassing people in public, Jonas, and all you other hateful, condescending, insufferable locals who share Jonas's attitudes, the same goes for you.

That's what is under discussion and at stake on this lively thread-- the matter of aggressively messing with other people's god-given rights to define themselves--who they quite likely have learned to love and cherish and accept and consider by far their best, most wise friend "as is " including any minor flaws- and they do deserve to do this freely and without harassment by redneck attitudes that are only there to keep people from questioning the locally warped southern-minded social order.

Who wants or needs dumba$$ ignorant strangers getting up in their face with bigotry and prejudice--of course all in the self-flattering, power-perverting name of "helping"? Jonas, you are totally shameless--- and I'll say it-- full of hate and bigotry. Good luck making friends among the local white supremacists, jonas_opinas. I'm sure there's plenty to chose from around here. Your respect and consideration for others is obviously unassailable and beyond criticism,so do forgive any silly-seeming posters their tirades. Anyone can see you don't know what you are talking about; therefore, your type is really pretty easy to ignore and dismiss.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 9 months ago

ls09: Not to mention the fact that 4 of the 9 legal experts that sit on the court agree with my assessment. Using the fact that 5 of the 9 agree with you to “prove”

okay, first yes the 4 voted in favor of Sotomayor's finding, but in their opinion they criticized her procedure.

second, yes, LS09, you are presuming to know the law better than a majority of the Supreme Court. now, listen carefully, this is how our system works. you don't get to pick and choose which Supreme Court justices you like for their findings, which decisions you like. 5 voting is a majority and as good as 7.

and yes I ref the blog about what limited info was out in the community about Latham, the conservative teacher at LHS who is now renewed. in that, repeatedly you demonstrated serious reading comprehension weaknesses. and referring to it as a "gossip blog" makes my point.

Jonas, I think Begin-60 and Wordgenie are the same person. a few weeks begin-60 got mad on the thread under the article about students from Missouri State U coming to Lawrence to practice walking around downtown wearing shades and using canes, sorta like blind people [but not].

in that, begin-60 said he/she/it would leave the board. boy, that lasted long.

and much of what he/she/it is writing above is a broken record, same phrases, seen weeks ago.

I think he/she/it needs professional help. and if UCLA folks are supposed to be better, well LMAO.

Christine Anderson 8 years, 9 months ago

I think what it all comes down to is that little boy crying as he was talking to the reporter. Now imagine the feelings of 64 additional children being hurt the same way. Very sad. And although I didn't vote Democrat, has this come to the attention of the President yet? Regarding the large number of chldren showing up at the private pool, how is one day a week with a larger number of persons using the pool really a problem?

Katara 8 years, 9 months ago

Well, apparently the pool people are busy trying to cover their butts (unsuccessfully, I might add).

Safety issue, huh? They were not too concerned about the children's safety when they took their money and also knowing exactly how many children would be attending. Interesting way to play into another racial stereotype (i.e. blacks can't swim).

The spokesman should have just kept his mouth shut to begin with.

jaywalker 8 years, 9 months ago

Sweet fancy moses, jonas! You may have set a record for most venom received in response to the fewest words posted. That amount of vitriole and verbosity can only be the result of exceptionally heavy drinking so early in the day OR an earth-shaking insecurity complex. Find some shade, brother. KooKook-achoo is on the loose!

Danimal 8 years, 9 months ago

I feel sorry for the kids, but they learned an important lesson; rich people are a**holes.

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