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Strange priorities

Order to close Guantanamo Bay could hurt U.S. intelligence efforts.

January 22, 2009

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How much important information about terrorist organizations, their activities and plans to harm the United States will be denied to this country’s security officials because of plans President Obama circulated Wednesday to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and halt the prosecution of those imprisoned there?

Like it or not, this country is at war. Those in our armed forces are facing severe dangers and possible loss of life. Our enemies want to do anything they can to hurt this country. And yet, Obama plans to halt any prosecution of Guantanamo prisoners, consequently losing possible important, life-saving information that might be discovered if the prosecutions could continue.

This comes at a time when some Democratic lawmakers think it is a greater priority to try some senior members of the Bush administration for supposedly serious crimes. In their minds, it’s more important to prosecute Bush aides than suspected terrorists.

It’s a strange, politically motivated sense of priorities.

Comments

Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

Sounds like a bitter ex-McCain supporter who believes we are still the supreme global superpower. That this is being posted as an editorial indicates how pathetic the LJW has become.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 5 months ago

we are far less safe now than we were 36-hours ago. Obama's appointment of a dismantler to head CIA, close Gitmo, maybe house those guests in Leavenworth. make leavenworth into a prime terrorist target. I wish that said high dem officials hated terrorists and enemies of America more than they hold to their infantile bush-hate. I'm quite serious: we are now far less safe. and some of these same want to force the military to accept/welcome openly homosexual members; there's destruction of unit cohesion. the swing 4%, did they know these things when they voted for Barry Obama? heck, most of them didn't even realize that Obama is not a child of American slavery. he is Kenyan-american, not an American Black with the suffering of slavery in his DNA. ***www.howobamagotelected.com

flm34 6 years, 5 months ago

"How much important information about terrorist organizations, their activities and plans to harm the United States will be denied to this country’s security officials because of plans President Obama circulated Wednesday to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and halt the prosecution of those imprisoned there?"Obama should never have been elected as President of the United States. He has about as many connections to terrorist and radicals as bin Laden has. Something went very wrong this past election. The American people were hoodwinked. They do not know of the treacherous connections to terrorist Obama has. He was not properly vetted.Perhaps, this link to a website, will enlighten some Americans. And just maybe, this won't happen again next election. http://www.thexreport.com/barack_obama_&raila_odinga-_just_another_terrorist_from_the_hood.htm

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 5 months ago

None.I'm sorry, but W. protecting us since 9/11 doesn't impress me in the least. How about he should have protected us from it. The lack of leadership, not listening to the warning signs, his failure as the commander in chief and his inappropriate response to it... there's the problem. Yea, boy, we've sure been safe since. It's true. Tell that to the relatives of the thousands that died that day. He really did his job.90 minutes LJW should be open for business. I'm calling in a stop to my subscription. This paper is no more than a pile of big crap and a sound board for the owners' Christian conservative agenda. If I want that load of b.s. I can turn on Fox News.

jaywalker 6 years, 5 months ago

Sweet Fancy Moses!!! I thought we'd had the extremists on these strings before, but this LTE has brought the rightestest and the leftestest!!"Sounds like a bitter ex-McCain supporter who believes we are still the supreme global superpower"Hey ragingloon, how does criticizing the Gitmo moves have anything to do with being a 'supreme global superpower'?Sounds like a rabid Bush-hater who doesn't know how to tie a thought together.bj, give us all a slight break. If you believe we're headed for civil war I'd suggest not listening to Hannity any more and get a prescription for anti-psychotics. And the only thing nuttier than scott's vaccuous conspiracy theories is some moron coming on these boards and threatening to shoot 'all Liberals and Democrats'. What are ya, 12?Anyone: Other than symbolism, what's the point of closing down Gitmo? We can't release most of these guys, they're still gonna have to be imprisoned...........why not we just make sure there's no more abuse and leave it running?

pistachio 6 years, 5 months ago

You can't prosecute people based upon information obtained by torture. The evidence would be inadmissible in court. Bush's own staff admitted that at least some detainees were tortured at Gitmo, so that shot a hole in any prosecution.Gitmo is closing because under the Constitution you can't hold people indefinitely without filing charges against them and bringing them to trial. The fact that the detainees are brown and speak Arabic shouldn't change that fact.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"The people in Gitmo aren't US citizens, pistachio. They have no rights under our constitution."How convenient. How hypocritical.

cthulhu_4_president 6 years, 5 months ago

“The people in Gitmo aren't US citizens, pistachio. They have no rights under our constitution.”----------They had rights in their own countries until they got a bag tied around their necks and thrown in the back of a van.People were plucked out of their homes on circumstantial evidence and tortured, and some were shown to have flimsy or no terrorist connections. Anyone who enjoys the priverlage of our legal system should be abhorred by Gitmo.However, I agree with Autie. It will keep happening. Just more quietly.

ResearchWrite 6 years, 5 months ago

Dear Editor,Your fears are unfounded. Only 245 people remain at Guatananamo and more than 525 have already been moved to other countries. See: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_detainees.htmThe value of the intelligence being gathered was in question in 2004/2005. See: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200501/s1279943.htm

ebyrdstarr 6 years, 5 months ago

DonQuipunch, the trial rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights most certainly do apply to non-citizens.

Joe Hyde 6 years, 5 months ago

Holding people for so many years in what are virtually chain-link fence dog kennels, denying them a hearing in which they can argue their innocence with the assistance of legal counsel...this entire operation has been an outrageous blot on America's moral standing (and our moral self-image) that may take decades to erase.The only right thing to do is to release those detainees, send them home free men.Most of them wouldn't be at Guantanemo were it not for an illegal war of aggression ordered by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. (All three of those gentlemen should be occupying cells in Leavenworth USP for deliberately lying our nation into a war.)

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 5 months ago

Just to follow-up, I did cancel my subscription promptly at opening time. They were very courteous and asked the reason why, and I was courteous in responding. Only asked that they convey that message to the senior staff. Interesting that I had this same conversation from someone from the law school just last night--sorry, I'm not a lawyer and I don't work for KU.I'm sure the LJW will continue to be financially viable, but it won't be on my nickel. I enjoy intelligent points of views on both sides and it's easy to get that online from better sources that are more informed. This is nothing more than the old school politics of hate and scare tactics. They can take it somewhere else. W.: "we don't torture". Response of almost everyone on the planet: "bull$***"

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 5 months ago

And one final comment. If the writer here was really informed--he's not--he'd already know what anyone else knows, that the new administration has no intent on pursuing crimes against humanity that have been openly committed by the Bush administration. This much is clearly and openly known.What gives, editor?

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 5 months ago

Heh. Might want to check the current condition of your Republican party madmike. Even Rush Limbaugh says it's in the toilet.

sleeveen78 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't care if these people are suspected of being Hitler. We don't torture. Any American who tortures someone deserves to be prosecuted under the four different international treaties we signed along with 145 other countries. If we do not hold those responsible for disgracing our great nation accountable, then we deserve the hatred we've accrued around the globe. In case you haven't noticed, the globe hates us because of the Bush Administration's complete disregard for ethics. The only way to save America is to prosecute any official guilty of crimes against humanity. The higher the person's position in government, the better it will look in the eyes of a world who, at one time, had great respect for America. Bush has done more damage to America than Al Qaeda could have possibly dreamed. I don't understand why that's so difficult to see.

Leslie Swearingen 6 years, 5 months ago

sleeveen78 thank you for your comments. You are right on.The radical Muslims are now thoroughly convinced their cause is just and angrier and more ready to fight.

orbiter 6 years, 5 months ago

"And yet, Obama plans to halt any prosecution of Guantanamo prisoners..."--Wow, editorial board, that is a whopper. So, is this clunky writing, hyperbole or just plain lying?Many of us find it "strange" that you are so determined to keep open a US-run torture chamber that operates outside of US and International Law. Nice priorities. You'd make great fascists.

Kyle Reed 6 years, 5 months ago

They definitely need to close the prison at Guantanamo. Making it part of public knowledge was a huge mistake. It should have been common sense to know that the masses don't have the stomach to do what is necessary. The true problem is that our enemies know this all too well.

Bruce Bertsch 6 years, 5 months ago

Akreed you are supremely wrong. Not even the military believes what we did at GITMO is right. All you have to do is read their own intelligence manuals. The US does not need to stoop to Gestapo tactics (BTW, it didn't work very well for them, either).

Kyle Reed 6 years, 5 months ago

Supremely wrong even, I have to say that is a first for me! I may be wrong, I may be right, but the bottom line is that people are naive to think these kinds of things didn't go on long before GITMO and will continue long after. What is or isn't required won't be decided by me or you. It will be decided by people in charge of very dark, far away places. Some of these people will be the same individuals that publicly denounce these practices.

Kyle Reed 6 years, 5 months ago

I'm glad something in what you wrote seems apparent to you Log because reading your posts makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

jaywalker 6 years, 5 months ago

-then we deserve the hatred we've accrued around the globe..........prosecute any official guilty of crimes against humanity. -The radical Muslims are now thoroughly convinced their cause is just and angrier and more ready to fight.-the new administration has no intent on pursuing crimes against humanity that have been openly committed by the Bush administration.I find all these 'statements' funny and not a little sad. "Crimes against humanity"? The people we're fighting know no other way. We base our military actions on accuracy and how few civilians are killed. They base theirs on how many civilians are killed. "Radical muslims" are NOW convinced....? You must be stoned and had your head in the sand for at least a decade. And you're outraged because we've outraged them by 'torturing' suspects? Ummm, yeah, right. They were cuttin' the heads of our men for cryin' out loud. And what'd we do? Deprive them of some sleep? Ewww, what a torture chamber!Look, I'm not a proponent of torture. But a modicum of perspective would be nice from some on this board. You wanna fight a war but you don't want any collateral damage. You wanna take on extremists that vow to annihilate all Westerners, but you don't wanna offend laws like the articles of the Geneva convention, which they don't even recognize. In fact, the laws of basic human nature don't apply to the majority of these cowards. Mass murder of their own citizens in a market by drugging a teenage girl, strapping a bomb to her, and then remote detonating it? And they've done this hundreds of times? And we're the evil ones? Bush screwed the pooch. No doubt. Bad choices, bad policies, poor implementation. But he never operated with 'evil' intent. That's exactly how these people work. But whatever. Hate away.

sfjayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

The sooner we close gitmo the sooner we can go back to being the world leader of liberty and justice. Due process is a constitutional right to all people, citizen or not. Nice work Mr President. Thank you for starting the process of restoring American values and our prestige in the world community.

uncleandyt 6 years, 5 months ago

I've had it with the Mind-Readers who claim to know what the "enemy" is thinking. You nuts probably don't even know what your friends are thinking. I guarantee that you don't know what the Bush administration was thinking, because That's a secret.Your support is blind, your support is deaf.Your lines are tired.Your lies are History.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 5 months ago

What does the O'dude's bud William Ayers think of letting terrorists go free?

budwhysir 6 years, 5 months ago

Here we go again, yet another problem caused by one person that is no longer around to make your problems for you, but yet we find somewhere to keep pointing. Here is my question, say this type of surveilance is to continue. Being that it is top secret with only high level security clearance, how could anyone be advised at what the guidelines are for wire tapping? Is it possible that all calls placed out of town by you to your long lost friend from Texas could pose a threat?? NO you say? How did you get the memo on what is to be listened too? This is classified info

Leslie Swearingen 6 years, 5 months ago

I am totally irrevocably opposed to collateral damage. It is wrong, it is immoral, it is vicious in intent, it is uncalled for. Humans are not disposableThe closing of Gitmo is a done deal. The papers are signed by the President. All the debate in the world by posters is not going to change that.You are just going to have to cope with the fact that you didn't get your own way this time.

storm 6 years, 5 months ago

The KKK and other terrorist organizations like gangs and the anti-choicers right here on U.S. soil, are more serious threat than those at Gitmo.

tbaker 6 years, 5 months ago

Closing Gitmo is a purely cosmetic action. The underlying issue requiring places like Gitmo in the first place remains unchanged. There is no US law designed to address illegal combatants captured in the course of US combat operations in lawless, border-less, failed states. Since it is illegal for our troops to simply kill defenseless or wounded combatants (like the terrorists, and the military forces of many other countries do) something must be done with them when they are captured by US forces. Unfortunately our present system of international and US law, as well as long-standing international treaties covering the law of land warfare are all obsolete in the face of the present-day terrorist threat which knows no national identity and who acts on the behalf of no recognized government. Our congress, as well as a host of international organizations, have all failed to write such new law to remedy the out-dated legal system as it applies to today's international terrorist because to do so is fraught with political peril politicians in our congress and elsewhere are all too happy to avoid. As it is, terrorists kept Gitmo will continue to held - where ever they may end up - without charge, and without a clear path to some final disposition that decides their ultimate fate in a manner consistent with both our constitution and modern-day international jurist prudence. THAT is the nasty stain that will not wash off with symbolic gestures like Gitmo's closure. Professional courage from our elected representatives is the only true solution. Decide for yourselves the likelihood of seeing much of that precious resource expended on the worst possible collection of murderers you can assemble. It's sad Storm and some of the other contributors display their unfortunate and quite obvious lack of understanding of the sort of individuals kept in Gitmo. Having had the opportunity to get to know these gentleman, and witness what they are capable of first hand on a variety of different battlefields - I can assure you - an "anti-choicer" on US soil is the last thing you should be worried about. Personally, I pray you and every other American never has to learn the hard way about the sort of people kept in Gitmo. I sincerely hope we never see the day when people stop displaying the sort of shocking ignorance represented by some of the comments posted here. Putting up with it is a small and quite predictable inconvenience considering less than 1% of the US population ever serves in the military. Being able to limit such horrifying reality to such a tiny fraction of Americans is truly a blessing few humans on this earth can enjoy.

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