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Rights group: Phosphorus used in attacks

January 12, 2009

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— Human Rights Watch said Sunday that Israel’s military has fired artillery shells with the incendiary agent white phosphorus into Gaza and a doctor there said the chemical was suspected in the case of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

Researchers in Israel from the rights group witnessed hours of artillery bombardments that sent trails of burning smoke indicating white phosphorus over the Jebaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza. But they could not confirm injuries on the ground because they have been barred from entering the territory.

The chief doctor at Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza said he treated several victims there with serious burns that might have been caused by phosphorus. He said, however, that he did not have the resources or expertise to say with certainty what caused the injuries.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Yea, mike, who cares if it's banned by international law or that it burns the flesh of women and children down to the bone?

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 11 months ago

So what? Are you really as brutal and indifferent to others as your post suggests? If you can sanction Israel doing this, should we assume you are capable of going something similar?There is no excuse in the world for causing others pain and suffering. This goes way beyond self-defense.Should the people of Gaza now see how evil the Hamas are and withdraw their support? No, Israel besides going against everything the Jewish faith supports, has handed Hamas another reason to hate them.The UN needs an organization that has the authority and means to go in and stop this kind of thing.Maybe Israel should be banned until it stops the phosphorus attacks.Self defense, yes, atrocity, no.

ihatelv 5 years, 11 months ago

I think they should put candy in their bombs..... Why would they put something in there that is going to hurt somebody...????

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

The use of phosphorus against civilians is prohibited by international law. Given that Israel's attacks on Gaza are quite clearly directed against civilians, use of WP is a war crime.

skinny 5 years, 11 months ago

Next they'll be complaining on here because they are shooting them. What do you think war is people?Madmike was right, so what!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Next they'll be complaining on here because they are shooting them."So you wouldn't "complain" if someone was shooting at you and your kids?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Too bad we can't send Bozo, Duplenty and Cleo to fight for their heroes, Hamas!"Strawman argument, mike. Can you find one single post where I have indicated any kind of support for Hamas, particularly its militant activities?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Yea, Marion, we'll just never get on board with you fans of baby killing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

I am curious, do you prefer babies impaled with bayonets, or blown to bits by 2000 lbs bomb? The latter does mean less of a cleanup.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Real men hide in hospitals."No, clearly what you really mean is that real men blow hospitals up.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 11 months ago

I am not pro-Hamas, I am just saying that by this action Israel is convincing people that maybe Hamas is right after all. Seeing your child seared to the bone and running to you is not going to make any parent conciliatory. What would you do if it were your child? I think these children should be flown to the Shriner's burn center for medical aid. I have supported Israel in most things, but not this, this is indecent. Pictures of children burned, or burning, (remember the photo from Vietnam) , is an excellent definition of pornography.I got this information from MSNBC online.Israel Using White Phosphorus In Violation of International Law says US Based Human Rights Watch.Human Rights Watch has slammed Israeli use white phosphorus inside the Gaza Strip, one of the world's most densely populated urban areas.Senior military analysts belonging to the US based group confirmed the use of the weapon which can burn human flesh to the bone.HRW claimed the use of white phosphorus inside Gaza violated the requirements under international humanitarian law which state that its use must coincide with all precautionary measures to avoid it falling on the civilian population.

Bubarubu 5 years, 11 months ago

White phosphorous is banned by Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. Two problems: it only bans the use of WP as an offensive weapon, not its use as a smokescreen or illuminator and the five protocols are only binding on states which adopted them. Neither the US nor Israel has adopted Prot. III. Technically speaking then, Israel's use of WP would not violate international law.That is, however, no defense against the morality of using an indiscriminate incendiary weapon over civilian populations. HRW is factually wrong when they say Israel has broken the law, but there is a reason Israel has refused to say what is in the shells they've been exploding over the Jabaliya camp and the US long denied using WP in Iraq before finally acknowledging it.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

"The use of phosphorus against civilians is prohibited by international law. Given that Israel's attacks on Gaza are quite clearly directed against civilians, use of WP is a war crime."The use of message boards to dispense bozo's idiotic, moronic, asinine skew of the world should be prohibited by the Minister of Common Sense. Given that bozo's frequent diarhea is quite clearly the most inane tripe posted on these boards, our subjection to his putrid bile is a crime against intelligence.(Dollars to doughnuts his rejoinder will be of the I know you are but one am I variety)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"(Dollars to doughnuts his rejoinder will be of the I know you are but one am I variety)"Would you rather I just spew bile as you do so often during your participation in these "discussions?)

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

Gee, the fact that Hamas has ignored the Geneva Convention by shooting rockets and mortars into civilian areas for months seems to have not worked to their advantage.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Problem is, snap, the facts are otherwise. Hamas fired no rockets for several months. They only resumed the rocket attacks in response to Israel's breaking of the ceasefire on Nov. 4th.While I'll readily agree that that was a stupid and reprehensible act on the part of Hamas, Israel knew what would happen in breaking the ceasefire, showing a clear disregard for their own civilians who became yet again targets of Hamas's rocket attacks. And it's the civilians of Gaza who are now paying the biggest price for the violent stupidity of Hamas's and Israel's respective "leadership."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, jaywalker. I have no interest in playing your petty little game.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 11 months ago

Shows youwhat the MSM does not know about "phosphorus round" and ordinance. These particulare rounds are "starburst" round and are used for illumination. They have no effect on enemies as a tacticle or strategic use. So these are from starbursts that did not go to altitude, or malfunctined, which ordinance does. So only having 10 peopel burned out of the number injured shows that this reporter tried for sensationalism.Remember, war is a messy business and people get hurt and killed, armies even have "friendly fire" incidents that kill their own troops.So this was a clear case of a MSM "so called journalist" creating a story where there is none.Incindary rounds are not used anymore because of the colleteral effect on civilians. They are however used in areas where troops are massed, and that is their only application.If Israel did use a phosphorus round on a part of the city there would have been several tens of dead and hundreds terribley burned.This was a low altitude starburst round.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Would someone please ask Hamas to move themselves, and their equipment, out into the open and away from "innocent civilians", hospitals, schools, and mosques. That way --- Israel will have a clear shot at them, and not civilians.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

"the truth is that the overwhelming majority of the international community is vehemently against the actions of Hamas."Thank God. And Allah. Now what the hell can Obama do about all this or is any course of action just pissin' into the wind?"Sorry, jaywalker. I have no interest in playing your petty little game"That's right, Forrest. Don't you try to be brave, just run.

supreme_being 5 years, 11 months ago

Wow, folks hate each other here as well. I can't decide...very large asteroid, or a super volcano. Flood's been done...too smart for disease...I don't know. You folks have a preference?

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

The UN is considering prosecution of Israel for war crimes. Check out this story. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/59383.htmlTo see who has initiated most of the violence and who has done most of the dying: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.htmlAnd don't forget who is underwriting Israel's final solution in Gaza.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Where there is a will, there is a way. There's plenty of open spaces in Gaza for Hamas to move themselves to, so that they are not jeopardizing innocent civilians, hospitals, mosques, and schools.BTW --- it is reported in today's Ha'aretz Newspaper, that Hamas leadership is hiding-out in a bunker underneath Shifa Hospital --- which Israel spent millions rebuilding back in the mid-1980's: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054569.htmlCome on you Hamas dudes and dudettes --- get some kahunas --- and come out into the sunlight, where we can see 'ya!

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

So ese, are you suggesting someone should nuke Israel?

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

Right... and? WP is not banned by any weapons convention.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Any of you pro-Palestinians care to comment about this article from the Jerusalem Post: "Iran Warns Hamas Not To Accept Truce" ---http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929369&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFullLooks like IRAN is pulling the Hamas "strings", and wants to see the Gaza cauldren continue to boil.IRAN is the benefactor of terrorist groups like Hamas and Hizzbulah --- and is the ultimate nemesis that needs to be dealt with.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Apparently both houses of the US Congress want the war to continue, too, IsraelForever. Would you call this a proxy war?Do you think it was orders from Washington that pushed Israel to break the ceasefire on Nov. 4th?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Blame the Juice!"He has an ironclad alibi, snap. He's in prison in Nevada.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Bozo --- as you know quite well, we can trace the "start" of this conflict all the way back to 1948 when all of the Arabs, including the Palestinian Arabs did NOT accept the partition plan.Israel came BACK INTO EXISTENCE after 2,000 years --- and Palestine --- Palestine was "still-born".Why was Palestine "still-born"? Because the Arabs wanted EVERYTHING, or nothing at all. Arabs have been trying ever since (Hamas included) to destroy the Western-style Jewish nation of Israel.Frankly, if Palestinians want their own nation, they already have it --- it's called JORDAN. As you also know, the area of what is now Jordan was also once part of the pre-World War I area of Palestine. This segment of land was given to the Hashemite King Abdullah as a reward for his assistance during World War I.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I know, IsraelForever. The Arabs who had been living there for generations had an obligation to bail out the Americans and Europeans in trying to deal with the "jewish problem," a problem that they were more than willing to let Germany take care of-- doing little or nothing to help Jews escape as German forces advanced across Europe.Forcing the Israeli state down the Arabs' throat was a recipe for disaster, and that disaster continues to this day. Nevertheless, the state of Israel is a fact, and another fact is that most Arabs now accept that fact. But as long militancy and hatred controls the interactions between Israelis and Palestinians on both sides, neither side will see peace.

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

I would never be one to say history doesn't matter, that it should be erased, but that doesn't mean history should or can be used to justify slaughter. This applies to both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Peace-loving Jews in Israel oppose their government's genocidal assault (and repeated initiation of violence) because they know that violence only begets more violence. The same is true for peace-loving Palestinians. I'd like to think we can feel compassion for all involved because we can identify with the fear and the grief that survivors on both sides feel. And for those lacking empathy, compassion, and even a rudimentary moral compass, this decades-long siege is still another bottomless pit for our tax dollars.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

BTW, there is a UN resolution calling for Israel to withdraw to pre-1967 borders. If you expect Arabs to comply with UN resolutions, so should Israel, shouldn't it?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_N...

denak 5 years, 11 months ago

I went through recruit training (boot camp) during the summer months in 1987. Over 4th of July, since we were just recruits and couldn't have leave to celebrate, the drill instructors put on their own little "fireworks" display using white phosphorus grenades. As fireworks, white phosphorus grenades are very pretty. A lot of color. Feeds on air and that is what makes it so deadly. It will burn and burn and burn and burn until there is nothing left to burn. That if someone or something is on fire, there is no use trying to put it out. blankets won't do it. Sand won't do it. It will stop burning when there is nothing left to burn.Drill Instructors like to b.s. a lot, like to test you a lot but on this, they were serious.I don't know if, in the last 21 years, these grenades were banned or by whom, I just know that if these people were hit with these, then they suffered greatly.At at the risk of being called an anti-semite, I think if Isreal did indeed use white phosphorus in their attacks knowing the proximity to civilians, then I think they are grossly negligent and their methods should be condemned.Dena

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

Again, only it's Windlass this time. Are you suggesting someone nuke or firebomb Israel?

notajayhawk 5 years, 11 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says… "So you wouldn't “complain” if someone was shooting at you and your kids?"Are the Israelis allowed to complain about Hamas killing their kids, boohoozo? Herr Klowne has no objection to someone shooting at Jewish kids, obviously."Can you find one single post where I have indicated any kind of support for Hamas, particularly its militant activities?"Oh, I wouldn't say you're pro-anything, Herr Klowne. Just anti-Semitic. You've demonstarted that on too many occasions to count."I am curious, do you prefer babies impaled with bayonets, or blown to bits by 2000 lbs bomb?"Boohoozo (aka Herr Klowne, aka clown_rants_from_bus) has stated clearly he prefers Jewish babies killed by Hamas rockets."Would you rather I just spew bile..."Well, as you've never done anything else, ever...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Are the Israelis allowed to complain about Hamas killing their kids,"Of course. Have I ever said that they couldn't or shouldn't? Besides, I've said all along that the Hamas rocket attacks are nothing short of criminal, just as all attacks on civilians are."Herr Klowne has no objection to someone shooting at Jewish kids, obviously."Really? Where have I ever said that? (hint-- I never have.)"Just anti-Semitic. You've demonstarted that on too many occasions to count."Yea? Care to supply a direct quote? Shouldn't be too hard if I've done it "many times.""has stated clearly he prefers Jewish babies killed by Hamas rockets."Stated clearly? Really? Then it shouldn't be too hard to provide that quote as well, should it, nota?

local_support 5 years, 11 months ago

You really can't blame madmike since he gets all his news from joe the plumber.

supreme_being 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm leaning toward an asteroid. Hit it just right and I can fix that annoying wobble at the same time.

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

If it is antisemitic to oppose Israeli foreign policy, there are many antisemitic Jews in israel.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

It's true that there are many differences of opinion in Israel --- even about this war against Hamas in Gaza.I wonder what would happen to someone in Gaza if they disagreed with Hamas.Oh yeah --- they'd be dead --- probably have their heads cut-off, like the terrorists did to Daniel Pearl in Pakistan. But, then again, Pearl was Jewish too, and had NOTHING to do with Israel. Arab regimes, and terrorist groups like Hamas and Hizzbulah don't tolerate differences of opinion very well.

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

Windlass wrote, I'm anti-war. With both sides engaged (Isreal/Hamas) I wouldn't leave the future up to either one of them. I would prefer that better men rose to the defense of those countries. I would prefer the UN.While I respect and share your anti-war position, it contradicts your celebration of firebombing Germany and nuking Japan. Even if the post-WWII propaganda were true that bombing Hiroshima "saved lives", no one has come up with any justification for Nagasaki. And firebombing Dresden is no more justifiable than using white phosphorous to burn Palestinian children. In both cases, collective (civilian) punishment follows from the evil deeds of the (militarized) few. Japan cared nothing for its kamikazis; Israel cares nothing for its young soldiers in Palestine; Hamas cares nothing for its suicide bombers; Washington cares nothing for young soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan; Germany cared nothing for its storm troopers. There's a pattern here, and it is the expert exploitation by the greedy and powerful of the easily manipulated citizenry, especially the young who they'll use up like cannon fodder. If you're anti-war, you have to oppose violent solutions that begin with the militarization of societies in defense of elite interests. The UN Security Council won't be able to act because of the inevitable U.S. veto that is sure to come, as it always has, in defense of Israel's "right" to kill Palestinians.

jade 5 years, 11 months ago

"I wonder what would happen to someone in Gaza if they disagreed with Hamas.Oh yeah – they'd be dead – probably have their heads cut-off, like the terrorists did to Daniel Pearl in Pakistan. But, then again, Pearl was Jewish too, and had nothing to do with Israel.Arab regimes, and terrorist groups like Hamas and Hizzbulah don't tolerate differences of opinion very well."You should read something other than zionist propaganda.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Jade --- oh, okay --- and you should read something other than Islamist terror propaganda.

andrew55 5 years, 11 months ago

It is war. What do you expect them to use? I did not agree with the cease-fire either. Why give the enemy time to re-arm? You are victorious when the enemy is vanquished. Period.

IsraelForever 5 years, 11 months ago

Andrew --- and it seems that Israel is winning the war now more-and-more. Israeli online newspapers are now reporting that Hamas is willing to have a cease-fire.I hope that they keep the pressure up on those monsters, and completely crush them! NO MERCY for HAMAS!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

The primary reason Israel broke the ceasefire was the Israeli elections next month. But they know they can't carry on the attacks indefinitely, because both US and Israeli citizens will eventually grow weary of the senseless violence. They also don't want to drag the war too far into the Obama administration, so, yes, there will be a ceasefire soon.

kmat 5 years, 11 months ago

WP is not to be used over civilian areas. Period! I pointed out the use to my husband when I saw them using it on live tv when all this started. They are firing it very low over the city and there is no way it can all burn up before getting to the ground.Think about it people. WP is what is used in fluorescent lamps to create the glow. I work in the lighting industry. You get any WP powder on your hands from a broken bulb, you are supposed to clear the area, ventilate, get all of the broken lamp in a bag and get the WP off yourself immediately. It's not a substance to be messed with.And when it comes to Israel - we took the Palestinians land after WW2 and gave it to the Jews. Did anyone expect there to be peace when land was taken from one group (who had been in control for almost 1500 years) and gave it to others? There were already half a million Pallestinian Jews living in Palestine at that time. Jews never totally left Palestine hundreds of years ago. They lived in relative peace until we decided the land should belong solely to the Jews. The League on Nations created WW3 when they split it up. Should have given the Jews Germany instead.I am not pro Palestine or pro Israel. I am pro peace. There will never be peace as long as that strip of land is controlled by Israel. Hell, I think it should be controlled by the UN and turned into a religious and historical visitation center. Neither side should be allowed to control it. It is holy to most people in the world, so let the world control it.

Katara 5 years, 11 months ago

supreme_being (Anonymous) says…Wow, folks hate each other here as well. I can't decide…very large asteroid, or a super volcano. Flood's been done…too smart for disease…I don't know. You folks have a preference?~~~~~~~~Oh do the locusts. Those haven't been done in a while.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 11 months ago

I am old enough to remember the Vietnam War and the photo of the little girl running down the road. She was naked, her clothes burnt off and screaming. It will haunt me forever. That photo is historic and was instrumental in persuading the Americans to get out of Vietnam.Israel has its back to the sea and no where to go. It is intensely paranoid about its safety.Like Africa the Middle East has been carved up by the Western Powers with no thought as to who lived there, or what tribal allegiance they had.I don't hate anyone. But, I can understand how those raised to hate others do so. The only thing I can do is treat people I come in contact with, with respect and understanding.

temperance 5 years, 11 months ago

IsraelForever: “. . . and completely crush them! no mercy for HAMAS!”That’s such a brave and heroic thing to say. It’s not often someone voices such strong opposition to The Terrorists. I picture you sitting in a lounge chair, beating your chest with your right hand and clutching Commentary, or perhaps The Washington Times, with the other. Your voice is practically breaking because – in your mind – you’re screaming with gusto as you annihilate a sea of Saddams. All the while, the Israelis actually living where the rockets fall are calling for negotiation and cease-fire: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-horowitz/even-in-sderot-israelis-s_b_154771.htmlThe racism and xenophobia coming from madmike and IsraelFirst is typical and unremarkable, but their machismo and Tough Guy posturing is (unintentionally) hilarious.

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

"just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…Yes, I know, IsraelForever. The Arabs who had been living there for generations had an obligation to bail out the Americans and Europeans in trying to deal with the “jewish problem,” a problem that they were more than willing to let Germany take care of— doing little or nothing to help Jews escape as German forces advanced across Europe."More than half of the Jews in Israel aren't of European origin. Many were forced out of Islamic theocracies... but don't let the facts get in the way of your typically Anti-Jewish argument. I'm curious... how many Mosques have been firebombed in Europe this week? Zero? Too bad one can't say that for Jewish temples.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Get real, gl0ck0wn3r, Israel was founded primarily by Jews from Europe, many of them having emigrated first to America before winding up in Palestine.No matter how righteous you think the founding of Israel was, it was done with very little concern over how that would affect the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs that would be displaced.Arabs and Jews have been treating each other despicably ever since. Both sides should be ashamed of the terror they've inflicted on each other, but instead all the world gets is more macho, tribalistic chest beating and endless conflict. The children of Abraham, all of them, really need to get their acts together.

FMT6488 5 years, 11 months ago

Everyone seems to have this misconception that war is a nice, polite disagreement . . . I'm REALLY sorry that this conflict has disturbed that misconception. As far as I'm concerned, war SHOULD be as bloody, nasty, and brutal as possible! Other wise, politicians would have less encouragement to continue "peace talks". I'm all for "smart" weapons - they cost less to use. But using "smart weapons" in extremely crowded living areas WILL cause civilian injury and death. Using them is preferable to WWII "carpet bombing" to insure that targets get destroyed which is the only other effective option. As for the WP, I would imagine that most(if not all) that is being used is most likely illumination flares, smoke(for concealment), and target markers. WP is used for these purposes because it is next to impossible to extinguish (and thus counter).

FMT6488 5 years, 11 months ago

Bozo says "Arabs and Jews have been treating each other despicably ever since. Both sides should be ashamed of the terror they've inflicted on each other, but instead all the world gets is more macho, tribalistic chest beating and endless conflict. The children of Abraham, all of them, really need to get their acts together."What about the "children" of Mohammad? When are they supposed to get their "act together", Bozo? When are they going to join the rest of the world and stop acting like children with dangerous toys? (We want you to do this - If you don't we will blow up your toys and kill your dog.)

tunahelper 5 years, 11 months ago

hamass is terrorists. the palestinans elected hamass as their leaders. hamass fires rockets into Israeli civilians. Israel fights to protect their country from terrorists.I hope and pray that Israel nukes hamass back into the stone age. I love the smell of white phosphorus in the morning! Israel should use nuclear weapons and get rid of hamass once and for all!

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

"ariadne (Anonymous) says…is not the use of this a war crime?"Uh... why are you linking to basically the same article? No, again, using WP is not a war crime. WP is not a prohibited weapon. Try again, but this time try to educate yourself on what actually constitutes a "war crime."

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

"just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…Get real, gl0ck0wn3r, Israel was founded primarily by Jews from Europe, many of them having emigrated first to America before winding up in Palestine."Get real? Simply because reality doesn't match what you wish to believe doesn't mean it isn't real. You are correct in your suggestion that Israel was founded primarily by Jews from Europe. So what? A statistically insignificant amount came to the US first. So what? The vast majority of Jews in Israel are now from Islamic states and it's been that way for a while. These Jews were forced out of their states and moved to Israel. So again, your assertion that the majority of Israelis are European Jews that have unfairly colonized Palestinian land is simply factually incorrect anti-Jewish blather.

tom_bodett 5 years, 11 months ago

So phosphorus is being used, why is this so shocking. They are at war, collateral damage(civilians)happens during war. Tragic...yes, but it happens. Nothing we can do about it.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 11 months ago

ariadne, thanks for the heads up. I went to the site, signed it and bookmarked it and am sending it e-mail to friends and family.

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

Of course, we can trust madmike to tell us which posters are psychotic and mean, and which websites are biased. He's certainly the epitome of calm and rational, ne?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"So again, your assertion that the majority of Israelis are European Jews that have unfairly colonized Palestinian land is simply factually incorrect anti-Jewish blather."I made no assertion whatsoever about the current makeup of Israel's population. The founding of Israel was a direct result of the fallout of events in Europe during WWII, although it certainly piggybacked on the Zionist movements that began much earlier, both in Europe and the US. My opinion is that European and US support for the establishment of a Jewish state is a weird combination of factors. One was guilt over their failure to lessen the extent of the holocaust, due to a large extent to the anti-semitism they shared with Germany. But that same anti-semitism made it very attractive to solve the "jewish problem" by getting them completely out of Europe. Palestine was merely a colonial territory Britain was eager to get rid of, so what happened to the Palestinian Arabs living there was of little import. But for Arabs throughout that region of the Middle East, who had been under the colonial rule of the Ottomans, and then the British, this was just insult upon injury, especially when Jews began evicting Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint, using many of the same terrorist tactics they now condemn when Arabs use them.

Left_handed 5 years, 11 months ago

"My opinion is that European and US support for the establishment of a Jewish state is a weird combination of factors."Gosh, Mr. Wizard, do you think it has anything to do with the fact that Israel is our only middle east ally in the UN? I suppose not, in your kool-aid twinged world of leftist fantasy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Perhaps it's because I should have said "was" instead of "is" in the sentence you quoted, but clearly you made no attempt to understand one scintilla of what I said, Left-handed, and instead just jumped to your very narrow, one-sided, black-and-white, uniformed view of the world in order to generate your pointless response.

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

"ariadne (Anonymous) says… GLOCK info on white phosphorus - use by the USA & ISRAEL of WP (white phosphorus)"So? Thanks for sending me to information with which I was already entirely conversant. Again, please point to where the use of WP is itself a "war crime" as people seem to keep pointing out.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Most of Palestine is located in Jordan. (4/5) Only 1/5 of Palestine was given to the Jewish people as a homeland. As per the Balfour Declaration. No one wants a Palestine State for real.

supreme_being 5 years, 11 months ago

Oh no, not the locusts, in large numbers they begin to form committees and petition for rights...hmmm...unless I follow up with quantities of hungry frogs...no, I've few of those left. No, forget the old stuff, it'll just end up a footnote video on youtube. And no more floods! The dolphins and whales came through it with little problem, but the dolphins picked up some rather off-color humor I find disturbing. Plus 63 new species of mold evolved (yes, I said just that - now get over it) and the odor was not right for many years.I think an asteroid is best. It's detectable up close leaving a little time for reflection before the end, and I can save the Yellowstone caldera for later if needed. Besides I'm working on some thermophiles that I find very promising.

gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 11 months ago

Seriously, you are dragging Said out like a tired corpse to bolster your lame argument?

cthulhu_4_president 5 years, 11 months ago

Supreme: My advice is to supernova the whole place and just try again somewhere else (if you haven't already). The key to the success of any intelligent life is location, location, location.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

Hamas, humus, in a couple of weeks they may be the same thing.

supreme_being 5 years, 11 months ago

While a supernova has been suggested it's both too vindictive and too final, plus the location is very nice as is. (Actually, supernovas were an accident, but much to spectacular to correct.) In addition, the reflective period of impending doom needs to be much longer than "oh my..." - just to be fair.Besides I'd rather take things down to the small mammal stage again. Mammals are great to work with, you can't beat that mother/child bond that is so critical to development of enlightened action. It's so tragic that things have gotten to the point when mothers begin to blow themselves up. But what can you do - freedom of choice and all that.I thought for a while about the penguin project. You know, the fathers spending that harsh winter taking care of the egg, all of the fathers depending on each other for survival. You don't see too many penguin conflicts. Admittedly communication of higher concepts was a problem with the penguins, but workable using motion and dance (like bees). However, by the time a small sample got to the point of communicating mathematical details their gyrations became so amusing a fair number of local whales drowned laughing. And that says a great deal, you know how somber whales are.Perhaps, others have some ideas of what species to work with next since primates are such a failure. And if you'd rather continue to exist, why should you? Try to be objective please. Oh, and don't get to thinking you're the only species that expresses humor. Go seek out the article about the scientist who discovered you can tickle mice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Perhaps, others have some ideas of what species to work with next since primates are such a failure."Surely tribbles would be no trouble.

Calliope877 5 years, 11 months ago

I thought it was rats that could be tickled, and they actually laugh...

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

I somehow missed this story from a couple of days ago."ENEVA – The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally."http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_re_eu/eu_red_cross_white_phosphorus

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