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Stimulus talk spurs SLT hope

Vehicles travel on U.S. Highway 59 just south of Lawrence. A lawsuit filed Friday in federal court is the latest litigation intended to block completion of the South Lawrence Trafficway's eastern leg through the Baker Wetlands. The western segment of the trafficway ends at U.S. 59.

Vehicles travel on U.S. Highway 59 just south of Lawrence. A lawsuit filed Friday in federal court is the latest litigation intended to block completion of the South Lawrence Trafficway's eastern leg through the Baker Wetlands. The western segment of the trafficway ends at U.S. 59.

January 11, 2009

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Wetlands addition underway

About 150 acres of wetlands are being added near the site of the South Lawrence Trafficway. Enlarge video

Baker professor works to create new wetlands

Roger Boyd, director of natural resources for Baker University, discusses the progress of work to create new wetlands adjacent to the existing Baker Wetlands at the southern edge of Lawrence. "The Kansas Department of Transportation pretty well assumed that it would be a safe gamble to go ahead and do this mitigation," Boyd says, despite still facing a lawsuit that could block the highway's construction. Boyd also gauges public reaction to the dirt-moving work, which has raised eyebrows among some folks in the area. Enlarge video

Mitigation moves ahead

No, that tractor moving dirt adjacent to the Baker Wetlands isn’t clearing a path for completing the South Lawrence Trafficway.

Instead, the movement is part of early work in a $975,000 effort to add 142 acres of wetlands west of the extension of Louisiana Street, north of the Wakarusa River.

A crew overseen by Roger Boyd, director of natural resources for Baker University, is busy creating swales and other water-holding features that will accommodate the spreading of seeds taken from plants in the adjacent Baker Wetlands.

Expanding the wetlands is part of a mitigation agreement designed to make up for the planned construction of the trafficway, which would cut through the northern end of the Baker Wetlands. The trafficway would connect Iowa Street with Kansas Highway 10 at the southeastern edge of town near Noria Road.

For a look at the work, and to hear Boyd discuss the project, visit LJWorld.com and watch 6News at 10 p.m. today on Sunflower Broadband’s Channel 6.

— Mark Fagan

Barack Obama’s imminent presidential inauguration — and, in particular, his plans for billions of dollars in infrastructure investment — is stimulating hope for completing the South Lawrence Trafficway in Lawrence.

No matter which way the limited-access highway would go.

Opponents of the project’s current path say Obama’s economic-stimulus plan easily could bankroll finishing the highway, provided it would run south of the Wakarusa River. They say work could be started within two years.

“I can find a whole lot of people who would stand in line to help,” said Bob Eye, an attorney for a coalition of environmental and other groups suing stop the trafficway from being extended through the Baker Wetlands. “Certainly, there are some opportunities here for some creative thinking.”

Supporters of the existing plan, which would run through the wetlands on what is known as a 32nd Street alignment, dismiss the south-of-the-river talk as little more than a dream. Such a rerouting would take at least 10 years to accomplish, said Roger Boyd, who already is moving dirt to help mitigate the trafficway extension’s planned construction, whenever that time comes.

Following the 32nd Street alignment, as approved by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, likely wouldn’t be ready within two years, Boyd said, given the pending lawsuit. But the stimulus money could finance other state highway projects, freeing up future money — an estimated $148 million — for the trafficway itself.

“That’ll make it more likely the trafficway will be funded through normal channels,” said Boyd, director of natural areas for Baker University. “I think there’s going to be less concern about where in the world that money’s going to come from.”

All the money talk comes as the trafficway saga approaches several key mileposts:

• Monday morning, two new Douglas County commissioners will be sworn in, shifting the governing body’s ideological majority as it pertains to the trafficway. Gone will be Commissioners Bob Johnson and Jere McElhaney, two proponents for building the trafficway through the wetlands. Now, incoming Commissioner Nancy Thellman will join incumbent Commissioner Charles Jones as being on record as not favoring a 32nd Street alignment, leaving incoming Commissioner Jim Flory in the minority. Just how the shift in thinking will affect the project, if at all, is unclear.

• Members of the Lawrence-Douglas County Metropolitan Planning Organization soon will meet to discuss the county’s priorities for transportation projects. The trafficway long has been on the organization’s list, but now that the organization’s formal membership is changing — planning commissioners no longer will carry such responsibilities, instead turning them over to members including local elected officials and a representative from the Kansas Department of Transportation — the community’s formal priorities could shift. “The position of the county, as a position from the Metropolitan Planning Organization, likely will be changing in the very near future,” said Craig Weinaug, county administrator.

• KDOT has a list of $1.28 billion in projects ready to go, should Obama follow through with plans to pump billions of dollars into infrastructure, including roads, highways and bridges. On the state’s list is $10 million for a new trafficway interchange at Bob Billings Parkway.

• The lawsuit seeking to stop the trafficway’s planned extension through the wetlands remains pending in federal court in Kansas City, Kan. Eye, the attorney for opponents of the 32nd Street alignment, expects briefs in the case to be prepared this summer.

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David Albertson 5 years, 8 months ago

I don't care where they put it, but they need to do something. 23rd street is getting BAD during rush hour. It's only going to get worse.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"Roger Boyd, who already is moving dirt to help mitigate the trafficway extension’s planned construction, whenever that time comes."Interesting that the article neglected to mention that Boyd and Baker are getting $8 million for the 32nd St. route.

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repaste 5 years, 8 months ago

what jobs will Lawrence get from this?

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overthemoon 5 years, 8 months ago

I have never heard anyone discuss a win-win situation for the SLT. Meaning a good route designed in such a manner as to not destroy wetlands (raised?) or impose upon the Haskel campus (screened)...this can be done with clever and thoughtful design instead of forcing a route that doesn't make sense. There is a lot of trafficway design being done (mainly in Europe) that incorporates good design principles with environmental and functional effectiveness. The results are attractive, unobtrusive and safe.The existing leg of the SLT is poorly designed (the spaghetti at the clinton lake junction and the barely beyond country road quality of the eastern half of it.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"We're just going to have to give up the (artficial, man-made) wetlands on the 32nd Street route."We? No, you mean that Haskell will have to give up its wetlands so that you don't have to sacrifice a few minutes of convenience.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 8 months ago

Louie McElhaney,father to Jere, is a former county commissioner suggested a south of the river route is on another table somewhere one day at the courthouse. A south of the river plan was the original approved route. So attorney Bob Eye is not off base with his remarks. Who are the cheerleaders of going through a environmentally sensitive area? Early into this lawsuit affair, before large hearings were even considered, there were hearings with only small numbersof people showing maybe 20-30. The faces pushing this destruction of valuable wetlands that I recognized were executives of local real estate agencies. Some happened to be city and county commissioners as well = major conflict of interest. Bob Johnson is a founding member of Douglas County Development Inc and was a board member when he was elected to the county commission. Face it had the real estate industry left well enough alone it is my guess the SOR route would have been completed long ago. Considering a SOR plan is not a new plan what could move this plan along rather quickly is for the local real estate industry to withdraw their request for a wetlands route and return to the original SOR route.Of course I would rather the route be off K-10 between Eudora and Desoto thus having traffic diverted to the turnpike thus users pay instead of Douglas county taxpayers. Yes taxpayers will be asked for more tax dollars.According to a phone conversation HNTB did study an SOR route that would connect to an existing K-10 interchange 1057/E1900 rd. This option completely avoided the wetlands.This design was never presented to the public. Why did the proponents not want this design? I-70 connectors east of Eudora were also among the potential choices. This concept accomplishes many things. It services:• Johnson and Douglas county traffic going to northwest Lawrence or Topeka. Or Topeka going to JOCO.• the Eudora Business Park east of 1057.• East Hills Business Park and the southeast Lawrence industrial park.• the Lawrence airport.And it:• diverts traffic around the city.• keeps the SLT out of the wetlands.• reduces congestion for morning and afternoon commuters.• might save Douglas County taxpayers millions of dollars.• Eliminates use of tax dollars.• Eliminates the need for an eastern bypass* Would not dump fast moving traffic off uncomfortably close to the congested city limits• allows KTA fees to pay for the highway and maintenance.Again this could be a toll road thereby users, to include 18 wheelers, become a defacto benefit district = paying its' own way.This is by far and away the best plan for Douglas County taxpayers no question about it. It has been difficult for me to understand why the real estate community is always eager to spend our tax dollars thus increasing taxes. Why do voters continue to vote this industry into public office?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"Note also that the first leg costs aren't over."And once the expansion of US 59 is complete, making it an alternative to I35 for truckers, the increased traffic will mean that the western leg will need to be expanded to 4 lanes, at a cost of at least $100 million.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 8 months ago

Perhaps it is time to put this issue before voters this spring. The ballot is there. All that is necessary is to put the questions on the existing ballot at no extra cost to taxpayers.Give the taxpayers an opportunity to decide on whether or not they would rather have the route choice moved, thus moving the project along far more quickly. Isn't it time to show taxpayers some respect? How many citizen tax dollars are we talking about at todays cost? How many Douglas County tax dollars will be consumed by this project?How many local tax dollars is the 31st project going to consume?How many local tax dollars will the new sewage treatment plan consume?Should eastside taxpayers be expected to fund south and west side growth? NO not at this spending rate.

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Eric Beightel 5 years, 8 months ago

I don't think anyone needs to worry about the stimulus funding the SLT...the administration wants projects that are ready to start construction within 90 - 180 days of passage.The SLT will not be ready to go within that timeframe. Fret not.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 8 months ago

Lawrence needs to spend the money on eastside streets and sidewalks. These projects are ready and waiting. Use bricks on the eastside streets as they have an estimated 50 year life span.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

It must be wonderful to be able to create your own reality from whole cloth, XD.

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Eric Beightel 5 years, 8 months ago

merrill- Lawrence will get $0 from the stimulus. KDOT will get the money and then distribute according to their priority list. This will go to Interstates and seriously deficient state routes with some maintenance for old bridges, etc. thrown in. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is going to fix potholes on Tennessee Street.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 8 months ago

Value of Wetlands:Considerable attention has recently been paid to wetlands values both in this country and elsewhere. Once regarded as useless, disease-ridden environments, wetlands in fact provide values that no other ecosystem can provide, including: natural and waste-water quality improvement, flood protection, shoreline erosion control, opportunities for recreation and aesthetic appreciation, and natural products for our use at little or no cost. Wetlands provide one or more of these values and are worth protecting.More:http://www.coe.ou.edu/ebel/natural.htmWetlands OverviewThe Value of WetlandsWetlands protect our communities from flooding, filter pollutants from our drinking water, and provide life-sustaining habitat to fish and wildlife.Wetlands Protect Us AllWetlands filter pollutants from our drinking water, protect our homes by storing floodwater, and provide homes for fish, shellfish, and wildlife.Real Life Stories About WetlandsReal life stories include homeowners that are protected by wetlands and gulf shrimpers that are threatened by polluted runoff.Sierra Club Policy on Mitigation BankingMitigation banking is the process for replacing and restoring wetlands in one location, after wetlands in another location are destroyed.http://www.sierraclub.org/wetlands/factsheets/Flood protectionWetlands help protect adjacent and downstream properties from potential flood damage. The value of flood control by wetlands increases with: (1) wetland area, (2) proximity of the wetland to flood waters, (3) location of the wetland (along a river, lake, or stream), (4) amount of flooding that would occur without the presence of the wetlands, and, (5) lack of other upstream storage areas such as ponds, lakes, and reservoirs.Wetlands within and upstream of urban areas are particularly valuable for flood protection. The impervious surface in urban areas greatly increases the rate and volume of runoff, thereby increasing the risk of flood damage. The drainage of wetlands, the diversion of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers from their original floodplains, and the development allowed in the floodplains over the past 100 years were partly responsible for the billions of dollars in damage to businesses, homes, crops, and property that occurred as a result of the Midwest flood of 1993.

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Eric Beightel 5 years, 8 months ago

There is a national list of priority projects that exceeds $60B...potholes on the east side aren't going to make the cut.

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Hoots 5 years, 8 months ago

Lawrence will never get this built. I've lost track of how long its been since we voted for this road.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"There is a national list of priority projects that exceeds $60B…potholes on the east side aren't going to make the cut."No bill has been passed through Congress and signed by the president, so it's too early to say what sort of projects may be funded from whatever stimulus package does get passed.There has been some talk of giving direct grants to state and local governments, with some strings attached. But as I said, nothing has been passed yet, so we'll just have to wait and see whether any such funds might cover potholes in city streets. I have my doubts that such funding will come about.

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somebodynew 5 years, 8 months ago

merrill - while I routinely choose not to address you (or your cut and paste), you did make one statement I have to respond to.:merrill (Anonymous) says… Perhaps it is time to put this issue before voters this spring. The ballot is there. All that is necessary is to put the questions on the existing ballot at no extra cost to taxpayers.My question is how many times do the voters have to vote on this. Do the results go away after a few years. We did have one (if not more) votes on this and it PASSED. That was years ago and lawsuits were filed afterward and all that.Do you really think anything will change with a new vote?? I suggest the only way it would change is if the obstructionists win the vote - then they would be happy and go away. Otherwise there will just be more lawsuits and delays.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 8 months ago

This plan is obsolete so does not meet todays demands. Why put forth a plan that is more than 20 years old not to mention that the original concept was SOR?Who are the cheerleaders of going through a environmentally sensitive area? Early into this lawsuit affair, before large hearings were even considered, there were hearings with only small numbersof people showing maybe 20-30.The faces pushing this destruction of valuable wetlands that I recognized were executives of local real estate agencies. Some happened to be city and county commissioners as well = major conflict of interest. Bob Johnson is a founding member of Douglas County Development Inc and was a board member when he was elected to the county commission.Face it had the real estate industry left well enough alone it is my guess the SOR route would have been completed long ago. Considering a SOR plan is not a new plan what could move this plan along rather quickly is for the local real estate industry to withdraw their request for a wetlands route and return to the original SOR route.I would say Douglas County citizens are not married to this plan only the local developers. This is reason enough for a new vote not to mention the new cost of developing a bypass.... taxpaying voters should not be cast aside as uninterested parties. On this ballot should be other options as well as no bypass. Let the voting taxpayers decide for a change. They are not a stupid lot.

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somebodynew 5 years, 8 months ago

OK, Merrill, you have just proven to me you don't read anything you just post."On this ballot should be other options as well as no bypass. Let the voting taxpayers decide for a change. They are not a stupid lot."What part of - there already was a vote didn't you get??? And I agree they weren't a stupid lot, they approved it years ago. Before there were invisible frogs, moved sweat lodges, and all the other bogus arguments.Now, Since I do read at least some of your posts, I will agree this is an old plan and there are merits about thinking of something else. BUT as long as there are going to be bogus arguments used, that idea is not going to fly.

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gccs14r 5 years, 8 months ago

XD40 sounds a lot like Pilgrim. He isn't happy if someone isn't getting shafted or the environment isn't being pillaged.

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Mike Blur 5 years, 8 months ago

gccs14r, you're onto something. XD40 established his account shortly after Pilgrim got disappeardeded. He's/it's probably one and the same.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 8 months ago

Someone a few miles back made the comment that commissioners are elected on what they oppose, not what they support. I disagree to an extent, this is fairly true but mostly they are elected by a few activist voters (who do you know who even knows who the commissioners are much less what they stand for???) and who can buy and distribute the most yard storms. Most of them are not worth a fart in a windstorm.

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manus_flexibilis 5 years, 8 months ago

The Baker dockder choking up after the word gamble concludes the ignorance on his/Baker's behalf.

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9070811 5 years, 8 months ago

It's not like the wetlands were natural.

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9070811 5 years, 8 months ago

Because Baker owns the Wetlands, why is the govt trying to steal the property, are the Wetlands for sale? I am confused. I don't care that are man made, but maybe Baker can built the SLT and recieve any monetary or other benefits from it. Oh Doulgas County, you're such a load of bs.

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gccs14r 5 years, 8 months ago

BLM stole the land from Haskell and illegally gave it to Baker. Baker may hold a deed, but the land is not theirs.

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lounger 5 years, 8 months ago

SO many times people will post-"Man made wetlands". Well, not all of it! About 55 acres (40 on the SW side 15 on the NE side) are Native, Natural Prairie wetlands. Never been touched (ruined) by Man. It all is a treasure and should be left alone. TOo many people are all about convenience at all cost -with no thought to what it does to the environment, future generations and wildlife habitat. Don't be so bloody selfish! The world outside your door doesn't care if you get to work 5 minutes faster! Preserve what we have here!!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"Just as interesting as the fact you always conveniently forget to include the fact that Baker University is the owner of the property."And you never mention how they came to "own" it, other than to say it doesn't matter, as long as they are willing to sell it the highest bidder to satisfy your need for convenience.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

gccs14r (Anonymous) says… "BLM stole the land from Haskell and illegally gave it to Baker. Baker may hold a deed, but the land is not theirs."When are you giving your land back to the native Americans, gccs? You and boohoozo must realize the land your homes sit on belonged to the same folks you claim still own the wetlands, don't you?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

The difference, nota, and this will be a really, really hard concept, so brace yourself, is that most of the land on which Lawrence sits was transferred out of Indian hands long before most peoples' grandparents, or even great grandparents, were born. And there are no Indians making any ownership claims on this land.The Haskell wetlands were transferred in a very flawed, and likely illegal, process within the lifetime of a very large percentage of people alive today. It's a wrong that could be made right, if not for the selfishness, spitefulness greed, pettiness, and perhaps even racism of people like you.

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78jhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

Overthemoon has the solution. The 32nd street alignment can work with some adjustments for the environment. This has been done in Colorado. Has anybody ever driven I-70 through Glenwood Canyon? There was a lot of cooperation from all parties to complete a very successful environmentally friendly design. Has anyone ever really discussed the issues with other alignment? You can bet there are some real issues there too besides the cost.It sure would be nice to get rid of that horrible 31st street eyesore. So lets quick bickering over who's alignment is better and solve the problems as responsible citizens.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 8 months ago

ah, yes. the good ol' racism charge being trotted out once again. Boobo bringing it out sure is acting like this one is getting away from him, again. sitting around, making claims, it doesn't make the claims legit. and, Boobo, your previous reply implies you know he is right, Baker holds the land, and challenges to it have no legal basis. thanks. for those unfamiliar with ariadne:http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/dec/29/natural-buffer/#c784217read the comments. he is the author of that letter to the editor. he has violated the ljworld terms of services a lot. people talking about pilgrim being disappeareded? let's see, ariadne now, was: cool, spiderman, coletrane(coaltrain), and apparently one or two other screen names! about as valid as his clinging, hoping for, "peak oil." he is indeed an environMENTAL architect, environ-mental-architect. and anything he has posted really is suspect.
finally, I note that merrill is so out to lunch he double-posted the same spam drivel on this thread! once, one poster seriously asked: "is merrill just liberal software that spams the boards?" not a bad perception.

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gccs14r 5 years, 8 months ago

it was a wetland for thousands of years before it was drained for farming. If it were up to me, I'd take out Clinton dam and 31st St, letting the wetlands return to its natural state as much as possible.

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Poon 5 years, 8 months ago

Obama and his new highways...geez what an anti environment, global warming, beaver killing, anti-green, pro pollution president Obama is turning out to be :-)Poor Agnes the frog...

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

"Supported by the racism charge; the last refuge of someone without a legal leg to stand on."The treatment of Haskell by the city of Lawrence over its entire existence has been textbook racism. Your failure or inability to recognize that means that you carry the affliction. Heal thyself, Pilgrim (even your name derives from colonists whose behavior towards Indians was extremely racist.)

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 8 months ago

The theft of Indian lands has quite commonly been legitimized by a veneer of "legality." A convenient smokescreen for the thieves who are also the ones defining and interpreting what is "legal," and not surprisingly, those definitions and interpretations have invariably favored the thieves themselves.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Worth repeating:“15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m.spiderman (Anonymous) says……i am withdrawing from the forum…”

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Breaking News:SLT will be paved with artificial turf, will pass less than 75 feet from ariadne's house.Exclusive exploding head footage tonight at 10:00.

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gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 8 months ago

Richard, we get it. You don't have to pollute every thread with your Asperger's Syndrome related cut-and-paste funfest. The bottom line is that your vocal minority doesn't want an SLT regardless of where it is located. The location issue is simply a tactical argument that conceals your real position. It is time to finish the SLT and get on with life in Lawrence.

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gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 8 months ago

"Richard "give me all your money" Heckler (Anonymous) says… Lawrence needs to spend the money on eastside streets and sidewalks."Hilariously myopic. The LJW seriously needs to institute some sort of post count/size combination rule to keep the cut and paste crew at bay.

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smosit 5 years, 8 months ago

i'm surprised that no-one has suggested one simple thing: the likelihood that an Obama administration will likely increase the protection status of wetlands, thus decreasing the likelihood of the SLT being completed, regardless of available funds.and for those who don't know (or don't seem to know), here's an extremely brief history of the wetlands:post-civil war 1800's--Native tribe relocation and assimilation is government policy. the decided-on plan is to ("legally") declare relocated natives as unfit to raise their own children; boarding schools will be set up to assimilate the children taken from their parents. the schools--surprise, surprise--will be built on the cheapest land available (like floodplain land). Predictably, connected men bought said land for pennies on the dollar and then resold the land to the government for grossly inflated profits. Haskell, like many Native boarding schools, started this way.1880's--Haskell is established. it's pretty small. it takes the government ten years to build a hospital for the kids, even though they're not allowed to go to the "white" hospital in Lawrence. many die of various diseases; some are murdered and disposed of in the wetlands south of the school (documents in the Federal Archives in KC prove this; i have personally read one). typical punishments include being whipped by a person of one's own tribe.1920's--the wetlands is drained and turned into farmland (continued assimilation policy). regardless, it floods...A LOT. duh, it's a floodplain. not only that, it's a floodplain that takes on floodwater from the Kansas river when it floods. the later building of the Clinton reservoir brings the flooding under relative control.1960's--the Haskell "farm" is sold to Baker under the condition that they return it to a wetland. the land transfer is illegalish. Laws stipulate how much Indian Trust Land in a particular area can be sold off at one time. in an attempt to get around this, the BIA declares that Baker won't hold full title until the late 90's (just about the same time Baker and Boyd changed their tune and began to support mitigation). of course, Baker gets the land for pennies on the dollar. I've had a brief conversation with Bob Eye about this land transfer. it's a card in his litigation deck; but it would be a difficult fight, as there is little legal precedence on this issue.1970's to present--Nixon (of all people) declares assimilation a failed policy. Haskell begins its transition from vocational training to higher education.I personally see the wetlands as a symbol of the tragedy of the past 100 years (or more) and as a memorial to the perseverance of Native culture in spite of the assimilation policy. To me, building the SLT through the wetlands would be like building a highway through Ground Zero in Manhattan, or through a concentration camp like Buchenwald. it's amazingly disrespectful.take care everyone.

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kmat 5 years, 8 months ago

I will post again, as I have before, that you whiners that complain about the terrible traffic on 23rd street are just WHINERS!!!! When I drive it, in rush hour, it is not that bad. about 10 minutes is all it ever takes me to get from Harper to Iowa. Go to a big city and see how long you'll sit in traffic. You all want Lawrence to be like a big city (tons of box stores, everything convenient for you), then get used to traffic. You want very little traffic, then live in a small town. Lawrence is no longer a small town (it's just a suburb of KC) and it's going to have more traffic than it used to.Grow up, get over it. Don't you have better things to do with your lives?You might enjoy Lawrence a little more if you'd go spend some time in the wetlands. Take a stroll, enjoy the fact that you can have this little bit of nature in town.And DGCTYSUCKS - you hate it here, so why troll the site? And, you are a moron. What you have posted on this article is completely wrong.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says… "The difference, nota, and this will be a really, really hard concept, so brace yourself, is that most of the land on which Lawrence sits was transferred out of Indian hands long before most peoples' grandparents, or even great grandparents, were born."How did I know boohoozo would come back with his usual hopelessly weak retort, the rallying cry of his ilk: "But... but... but... that's different. (Seems everything is a really, really hard concept to boohoozo.)As usual, clown_rants_from_bus speak with forked rectum. clownie cares nothing for the native Americans who were robbed, cheated, killed, or driven off to secure the land his worthless carcass sits on, because that was a long time ago. So, what are you saying, bus-buffoon? That if Baker retained ownership of the land for another 100 years, then it would be kosher? What is the statute of limitations to your self-righteous indignation?"...and perhaps even racism of people like you."Comig from one of the most outspoken bigots ever to post to the LJW message boards, herr Klowne, that's an interesting (if, as usual, laughable) statement."The treatment of Haskell by the city of Lawrence over its entire existence has been textbook racism."So, I ask again, clownie, and try to come up with something better than "that's different" this time: When are you giving your home back to the native Americans?

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 8 months ago

crying "racism" doesn't make your claim more popular, or more effective. and, again Boozo, I'll tell you I'm no racist. Assimilation was a deeply flawed policy and we now know it was entirely wrong. Lawrence residents voted in favor of the SLT, 32nd route over 20-years ago. if a vote were held again, it would pass again. Nothing exists in the flooded farmland that does not also exist elsewhere in Douglas County.what is there? mosquito breeding grounds. we really want more swamp next to Lawrence, with meningitis and West Nile Virus in mosquitos now? we're supposed to be draining swamps these days! I love it, vapid Ariadne/cool/spiderman/coaltrain/spammerman/environ-mental-architect is cheering some posts and then reposting their material right after the current post! somebody, please take away Ariadne's chocolate covered coffee beans! quick, he's really manicking out on caffeine. on the thread I linked for education on him, he caught me in one spelling error, yet, one can find dozens of them by him on the same thread!

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kcwarpony 5 years, 8 months ago

“Lawrence residents voted in favor of the SLT, 32nd route over 20-years ago. if a vote were held again, it would pass again.”November 1990, County residents vote 13,679 to 10,815, supporting $4 million in bonds for the trafficway. April 2001, KDOT Chief Counsel Mike Rees makes public his efforts to win support for a 32nd Street route for the trafficway that would move the project off Haskell property.October 2001, the Lawrence Douglas County Planning Commission agrees to recommend a 32nd Street route for the project.SLT Timelinehttp://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/sep...

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 8 months ago

Merrill,are you serious? ljworld polls are not scientific and do not represent a valid sample. warpony, what the headlines you list mask is that when the vote was held, it was certainly a 32nd street alignment in the mind of the public. for the same reasons I support the SLT, build-now, I also support the Plum Creek reservoir: communities need to make such choices and control their infrastructure themselves.

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kcwarpony 5 years, 8 months ago

“warpony, what the headlines you list mask is that when the vote was held, it was certainly a 32nd street alignment in the mind of the public.”The 31st street alignment is what was in the plan in 1985, the vote was in 1990. The 32nd street alignment was not considered until 2001. August 2001“Support for a south-of-the-river route isn't new. The State Highway Commission recommended such an alignment for a "southern bypass" in a 1972 study of Lawrence area traffic. The city incorporated that proposal in Plan 95, a comprehensive planning guide adopted in 1977.”“The 1972 report recommended building south of the river to "avoid crossing Baker University Wetlands Research Area or Haskell American Indian Junior College.Those recommendations were discarded in 1985 in favor of a 31st Street alignment to alleviate 23rd Street congestion.”http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/aug...

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