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Kansas AD’s salary No. 2 in nation

January 8, 2009

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Bloomberg.com filed public-record requests with every public university in the NCAA’s Football Bowl Subdivision and learned that Florida’s Jeremy Foley is the highest-paid athletic director with $965,000 in guaranteed salary.

The second-highest paid athletic director? None other than Kansas University’s No. 1 man in the athletic department, Lew Perkins, with a $900,000 salary, Bloomberg reported.

Retiring Kansas Chancellor Robert Hemenway justified Perkins’ salary in an interview with Bloomberg.

“Athletic directors are no more important than faculty in any discipline, but they are paid proportionally more because salaries at a university reflect the outside marketplace, and American society clearly places a high value on collegiate and professional sports,” Hemenway told Bloomberg.

In an e-mail to Bloomberg, Hemenway added: “Perkins runs athletics like a business — focusing on generating revenue while being efficient and keeping costs down. In five years, he has doubled the departmental budget and translated this financial success into concrete improvements.”

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

TopJayhawk: "Jack the Rip.If you are a college graduate, why is your syntax and spelling so bad?"Good job Top, you win the gold star. Yes, why is it?"KU and KU Athletics are two seperate entities. No public money is used for sports, they are self-sufficient."Top, this is where it gets tiring hearing your same old response, that they are clearly divided. This is bull, anyone can figure this out if they just look. They operate where? Who hires the AD and coaches? Who maintains the facilities? Come on, look it up.And Hepburn there you go again. Tell us, how much do the coaches and AD get paid down there. How does it percentage wise match up with division one programs? Not a lot of money in less than division one sports so you yes, more people get to play and they learn to get by without special facilities also.

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Shelley Bock 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipped says..."If you have KU glimmering in the sun with championship sports teams and charge less then why would there be people choosing to enroll at Baker which charges more and doesn't have the sports prestige. Baker is only as big as it is because they have limitations of space and work with them but imagine they don't have any problem filling seats even without all the bells and whistles."Now there you go again, Jacked! Wrong again. You assume that students only go to Baker for the education. Daughter went to Baker to play sports. She received an athletic scholarship and academic grants that made it roughly equal to KU costs. She selected Baker over KU, MU, and several other smaller schools because she could play there. She played a varsity sport, started 3 years and graduated in the top 5% of her graduating class. She enjoyed Baker and really enjoyed playing.In fact, many Baker students play sports and go there because they can continue doing so in college. These are the kids who aren't as big, fast or skilled as those who go to KU, but they still like playing and competiting. If they aren't interested in playing, they wind up at KU. Sports programs keep smaller schools going. Baker promotes sports participation to students more than KU ever does.

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max1 5 years, 3 months ago

"You are misusing the words suppose, and use in the tense that you are using them." -TopJayhawkWhy the comma?What you need is a good teacher.6 September 2008 at 2:12 p.m. jaywalker (Anonymous) says…"I hope to be teaching by next fall" “I was an English major [at the Hackneyed Platitudes School of Journalism] with a creative writing emphasis, and I've worked for two major city newspapers [translation: personality disorder -- can't hold a job] and have always had a knack and a love for language and the written word” -jaywalker (4 Sept 2008)"Believe me when I tell you, though you find it necessary to repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat yourself time and again, it's more than redundant for a journalist. . . And quit wearing so much patchouli, it's makin' my head hurt." -jaywalker (4 Sept 2008)"I'm concerned for ya, darlin'. Patchouli, incense, and cat dander are messin' up your head." -jaywalker (23 Sept 2008)"Bea, I 'spose if she were a patchouli scented Dead head that never shaved her arms and legs that would make her OK? " -jaywalker (1 Aug 2008)"you're either suffering from patchouli poisoning, you've had too many run-ins with the police" -jaywalker (8 July 2008)"Please stow it and just hunker down in that basement." -jaywalker (21 Aug 2008)"I would recommend you stay hunkered down in that thar basement" -jaywalker (20 Aug 2008)"Or are you just pissed I guessed right about those basement living conditions?" -jaywalker (5 Sept 2008)"Why do I suspect you're occupying a basement somewhere with little interaction with adults?" jaywalker (4 Sept 2008)"some of us have jobs and lives, and are not doomed to the bowels of mommy's basement" -jaywalker (26 Sept 2008)"Sorry, brain child, but that first statement is based on nothing more than a lonely guy venting from mom's basement." -jaywalker (8 Jan 2009)http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22mommy%27s+basement%22&start=10&sa=N190,000 google hits for "mommy's basement"

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TopJayhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Jack the Rip.If you are a college graduate, why is your syntax and spelling so bad?Did you not go to class while skipping all of those sporting events?HInt: You are misusing the words suppose, and use in the tense that you are using them.

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TopJayhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Jack the RipI am not a rich guy, and I do not belong to the Williams Fund. I don't have too much trouble getting tickets though. I have already been to one basketball game, and have tickets now to three others.I know of a hill out west of Topeka in the Flint hills. If I were you I would pitch a pup-tent, take a roll of toilet paper, and live off of the land. Then you would be completely free of all of these excesses that you rale about. Think of it man NIRVANA for you!!!

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TopJayhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey Jack the Rip.If you guys are so smart, why do you keep using the same tired, invalid argument?KU and KU Athletics are two seperate entities. No public money is used for sports, they are self-sufficient.Get over it, you are the one who needs an identity. Sports are not my identity, they are my fun, my distraction from the day to day grind.I'm sorry you are too obtuse to understand.

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ralphralph 5 years, 3 months ago

Lew can whore-it-up with the best of them!Tradition? phooey! Loyalty? hooey!Bring in more bucks at any cost!

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hippiestomper 5 years, 3 months ago

Most of the people whining about this and saying they do not care about sports are probably the ones that could not even make the cut for the Jr. High sports programs... Common guys lets get the hate in your heart out. Its not sports you hate it is the coach that said you are not good enough. haha

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max1 5 years, 3 months ago

"Sweet Jesus, Jack, an enema and a nap would do wonders for ya. . . Wow, man, the jocks beat you up or stuff you in a locker when you were younger? . . . Man, you really need to get a life. I'm sorry for those that mistreated you, truly." -jaywalker"That's why I donate to the J school every year." -jaywalkerImagine that!"We have an old moss-back Jacksonian who snorts and howls because there is a bathtub in the statehouse; we are running that old jay for governor. We have another shabby, wild-eyed, rattle-brained fanatic who has said openly in a dozen speeches that "the rights of the user are paramount to the rights of the owner"; we are running him for chief justice" -William Allen Whitehttp://www.journalism.ku.edu/school/waw/William Allen White School of Journalism and Mass Communications (KU)"William Allen White was one of the greatest journalists of all time."

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manus_flexibilis 5 years, 3 months ago

I vote Lew-siffer for next Chancellor

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buffalo_star 5 years, 3 months ago

Your everlasting summerYou can see it fading fastSo you grab a piece of somethingThat you think is gonna lastYou wouldn't know a diamondIf you held it in your handThe things you think are preciousI can't understand

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Funny thing is a dunce like me saw it coming long before it happened! Maybe I did get something from my degree after all. Ah no, KU as is wants more students, I'm saying if KU just existed to do what it is suppose to do, provide a college education for Kansans we wouldn't need all the facilities. Shouldn't there be a desire for education that draws people to a school without the bells and whistles before recruiting them at an escape from reality? Do you listen to the news, do you know people who have gone seriously into debt funding their schooling but weren't really studying very hard, weren't making the grades, not doing anything worthy of wasting their time at college for only to find out that it ends at some point and now they have to pay it back? Do some searching on the internet, sure you'll be able to find plenty. Kids aren't necessarily bright enough at that age to realize what they are getting themselves into and perhaps "recruiting" them isn't the best thing to do. Sort of like when ku finally threw the credit card solicitors off the beach because guess what, students don't always know what they are getting themselves into.Should have said more high school graduates too. Use to have more participation and understanding of the role of a citizen when the numbers were lower. Just noticing we are paying a lot of money for something that isn't producing very good results.Definitely a grumpy old man and getting grumpier everyday. Now kids get off my damn lawn!

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jonas_opines 5 years, 3 months ago

"Plus most people who vote aren’t informed anyway"Would you regard that as an informed statement? Taking your reinterpreted meaning, which is what I read in the first place.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

Correction: "so I don’t mind (more) uninformed people (choosing not to vote).

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper….I think the benefits of funding higher education outweigh the burdens, even though not everything is perfect.Just because voter turnout is low does not necessarily bear any reflection on college graduates. Only around 27% of adults in the U.S. graduate from college in the first place. Plus most people who vote aren’t informed anyway, so I don’t mind fewer uninformed people voting. Even the top economists in the World didn’t foresee the current problems are economy is in. Even if every child wanted to go to college there would still be recruiting. Recruiting for your college to have more students or better students etc. Recruiting will not go away. I am not sure who you think doesn’t care about an education (maybe the 73% who don’t get a degree) but I think most student care about the education otherwise they wouldn’t be getting in so much debt. While some students are just here to party on their parent’s dime, I don’t think that applies to the majority. So you are suggesting that if KU wanted to help MORE students they would have FEWER facilities? What kind of logic is that?To be honest all of your complaining seems like it is coming from a rambling grumpy old man who is myopic about history and believes the world is destroying itself without being able to cite any specific evidence to support his crazy theories.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

My complaint is how much it is costing us and the results. We have more college educated people than ever yet we have low voter turnout, we have graduates who don't know anything about the world, and as we have just seen demonstrated didn't learn a damn thing from history or economics to realize you can't make money from nothing forever yet we are paying more for it! The whole idea that colleges have to recruit for students should tell you something about what kind of demand there is for education in the first place. If we opened our borders I'm sure people who would do anything for an advance education would flood our schools but here in America we don't really seem to care much about education and more concerned about the party atmosphere and a few more years not dealing with reality only to find out that the debt has to be paid back after the game is over. SInce KU is State funded and only if they worried about educating Kansans who wanted to go to college they wouldn't need all the facilities and it would be a whole lot cheaper to fund, perhaps at a rate the State could afford to fund again. Set high standards and let the others learn job skills in jobs that they will probably be doing even if they didn't go to college.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper…Again, you are making the argument that Baker (and similar schools) can still fill their enrollment without an athletics department. So I will repeat myself for a third time: I am not denying such and have stated the same, however;(1) Some people don’t care about athletics, or alternatively choose to go to Baker for other reasons. This does not mean by negative implication that a school the size of KU would still get the enrollment numbers or quality without a top notch athletics department. Since the size of Baker is tiny they don’t need to resort to the same measures as a larger school to recruit. But if you think Baker doesn’t market themselves than you are a fool.(2) The previous argument you made was an athletics department doesn’t assist in attracting top scholars, (as if that is all a university should care about). So even though Baker can fill their seats, doesn’t necessarily mean they have as many top scholars (your criteria for the objective for all universities)While some schools are known for their great curriculum, what you are suggesting is the abolishment of universities (a combination of several colleges) and only have trade colleges. Again, the great thing about America is that one can choose where to get an education. So what are you complaining about/what is your point?

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budwhysir 5 years, 3 months ago

no more important than any other faculty member???? I say this, lets get it together and pay those k to 12 teachers aroun 500,000 a year. Lets face it, if we didnt have MORE IMPORTANTmembers of the education faculty, these diretors would have no graduating students to direct in athletics, therefor eleminating the directors position completly proving that this position is actualy no more important than the faculty member in charge of raising tuition and going to the government for tax rebates so we can afford our directors of athletics and suchhoorah to Mr perkins. I love his food over at the eatin place on 23rd street.

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Jim Williamson 5 years, 3 months ago

"...Making more than a Dean is one thing…he makes 7 times more than the governor and makes more than the president of the United States! That can't be justified..."Like hell I can't.Lew, Gov. Sebelius and the potted fern we call a President are the CEOs of three entities.Two of them are hemorrhaging money. The third is run by Lew Perkins.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Oh boy, it isn't that hard. If you have KU glimmering in the sun with championship sports teams and charge less then why would there be people choosing to enroll at Baker which charges more and doesn't have the sports prestige. Baker is only as big as it is because they have limitations of space and work with them but imagine they don't have any problem filling seats even without all the bells and whistles. I'm not talking about their student body size I'm talking about their ability to fill the seats they have.I'm suggesting liberal arts and sciences exist as places for scholars and other schools exist for the other studies like in the past, Emporia as a teacher's college, DeVry for people going into business and computers and let them develop into their specialties, and the entertainment go where it goes, farm teams or pro. That way all of them can develop to do what they do best. As it is an undergraduate school is not much different then a puppy mill.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper…KU charges less than Baker because KU gets money from the State.If you are going to compare Baker size and enrollment to KU‘s and use that as proof a university doesn’t need an athletic department then I am afraid you have a losing argument. You seem to want to attack everything about a university, the athletics and the academics. We get it you don’t like universities, what is your point?-----------------“Clarification, issuing scholarships based on someone being able to play a sport over someone who is academically qualified should be remedied.” – JackFirst, KU offers both types of scholarship separately.Second, KU would not have the diversity it has without its athletic scholarships (and I am not just refering to racial diversity).Third, are you suggesting that only the super smart deserve scholarships? What about just your average student? There are schools that operate as such but not a public university such as KU.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Satirical I don't believe you understood what I said. I said Baker not only draws students but they can even charge more and all while not having a division one athletic program. So to say you need to be out there marketing with all you got is ridiculous as proven by many schools just like Baker. Problem has become for division one schools is trying to just get enrollment numbers and wonder why? Hmmm, could it be for tuition and other charges where they make money to continue with bigger is better growth mentality?As far as educating to get a job, well isn't that the problem, they are not getting jobs that a degree is required for? Since we have dumbed down high schools now the college degree is required in hopes that at least a student can make change. One of the reasons many think it is important is to develop well rounded students. Ah where you finding many examples of that anymore? Sure there are kids that benefit but there sure seems to be a whole lot more who aren't getting anything out of it because it is all about memorizing for the test and not about learning so it is a waste. I can't believe how many people with degrees don't know basic geography or anything about history. What's the point?I'm not sure what you're studying but in the arts and sciences the where to pursue an advance degree is usually based on getting into the top school in your area of study who will take you.Who said playing sports makes someone more qualified than an academic student. Where do you come up with this garbage?Clarification, issuing scholarships based on someone being able to play a sport over someone who is academically qualified should be remedied.

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Shane Garrett 5 years, 3 months ago

Not to change the topic but was it not sports that led to blacks being allowed to enroll in colleges in the south and southeast schools? It seemed the history channel did a two hour special on the subject. And interviewed the heros of their time.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Well Al some of us live within our means and can be happy without tying our kite string on something that truthfully has as little to do with someones life as people dying in other countries from curable diseases. If it is important that we spend absurd amounts of money on entertainment and have to have the best all the time then so be it I guess.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper….For all of your praising of academics you seem to be seriously lacking in that capacity. Your assertions are completely ridiculous.It seems like you have a problem with college in general.“As far as Baker it is interesting if it isn't such a good deal academically that so many would spend more money to go there when they could easily go to KU and manage to do that without the power of division one sports marketing.” – JackRipperI just wrote that Baker was a good school academically, and also wrote Universities can have students without an athletics department. Try reading. People go to different schools for a plethora of reasons, my wife went to Baker while I got my undergrad from KU. I am sure one subconscious reason I chose to go to KU for graduate school rather than other places who offered me academic scholarship was because I grew up loving KU Basketball. My loyalty to the school was developed before I ever set foot on campus. --------------------“I'm afraid it is people like you who look at a college education as just an other product to be sold.” – JackRipperMost students don’t educate themselves through a university simply for the joy of learning, this can be done outside of going to a university. People go to school as a means to get employment. Professors teach because they get paid to do so, not simply from the kindness of their heart. So it is a service (not a product) being sold. I understand some people are drawn to a particular school based on academic research papers and meetings. However, I personally have never met a person who has said they attended any school because of a great academic research paper they read. It is more likely they went to a school because (1) it was affordable or (2) they had a good academic program.Who said playing sports makes someone more qualified than an academic student. Where do you come up with this garbage?

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

But big al everybody who goes to ku is paying a lot, many have to take loans and go into debt to do it. Should we have millions of dollars taken from taxes so the State can't fund education like many think it should be and supposedly the reason tuition goes up so that we can have championship sports programs?

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BigAl 5 years, 3 months ago

I can only listen to whiners so long. I'm done with this conversation and I am just thankful that I don't have the sour outlook on life that JackRipper has. Could be his user name here fits him well. I have a feeling Jack was home alone on Prom night.

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BigAl 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper. What taxes do you pay for me? I pay KU a heck of a lot more than what I give to the Williams Fund. And I'm betting I pay as much in taxes as you do, probably more. By the way, 230 or so Marching Jayhawks just got back from attending the Insight Bowl and thanks to Lew, it was completely funded by the athletic dept. Not one dollar came from your taxes. Or do you not support the band and the music dept either?

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

I'll slow it down a bit for you-"How are you being effected, Jack? Describe the 'tax dollars' being diverted and how that effects you or others."Contributions to the Williams fund and Endowment can be written off. I imagine a good chunk of buildings donated with their names on it can also be written off. Sports are siphoning tax dollars. " Noone is trying to 'control free speech', just copyrights, just like any other business would and does react to. "Oh? Was that all they were trying to do? Come on think about it a little more."I'm marching like a good soldier? Why, because I like sports and understand their benefit?"No, I think we all like sports to some degree but more because you will defend anything they do including trying to sue a tax paying guy out of business while hiding behind their tax exempt status. Oh yeah, don't forget that although they own "KANSAS" they business arm that sells shirts online and their online website I beleive are all ran in other states from what what I can tell looking at their sites.."Man, you really need to get a life."Me? I'm not the one who has to have winning sports teams to live my life. Shoot, I can find a lot of other things to talk about around the water cooler. I was able to graduate and move on and not having to dwell in my days at college."I'm sorry for those that mistreated you, truly. Special seating has been around since the days of the gladiator, athletic competition has been around for millenia."Seriously I enjoy sports, mostly individual sports. There you go again being the good soldier by saying not supporting big time college sports I must therefore hate sports. No problem with sports, problem with the big corporations milking it in a tax free zone and unpaid players. Lot's of millions being made everywhere but not the for the players."I've got a 100k that says you NEVER go to any game, and yet you wanna decry the unfairness of who gets what seat? Be a little sillier and then we can talk."Been to games before and truthfully, don't go now even when given tickets. Hey, again if the contributions to the fund are taxed dollars it would fine but if you really want to ruin the atmosphere with just staid old people who can afford it then that is ok with me.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Oh big al tell us how much you get to write off your taxes by contributing. Why should the rest of us get stuck paying your share of taxes so you can get seats at the game?

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…Like I said, I don't have anything against all this but get it the heck out of the public fund coffers.********Wish granted. Not a dime of state tax or tuition money goes to pay Perkins' salary. Nor do they pay for KU athletic facilities.No wonder you have no legitimate argument. The one you thought you had is based on a fatally flawed premise.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Oh boy, college as just an extension of the wasted high school years that doesn't provide kids with anything other than escape from reality. I think that is the last thing we need as we see so many college educated kids deep in debt without a real skill to offer a business. Essentially an indentured servant to they corporate world. As far as Baker it is interesting if it isn't such a good deal academically that so many would spend more money to go there when they could easily go to KU and manage to do that without the power of division one sports marketing.I'm afraid it is people like you who look at a college education as just an other product to be sold. You apparently aren't aware that where the real "marketing" comes from for academics is research papers and meetings. Believe it or not a whole world exists where they discuss academic topics. Any student who plans on a future of academic study wouldn't be looking for the sports program but at the level of research going on.Scholarships should be made available to anybody who has the brain power to be at a university. Saying that playing a sport makes someone more qualified then academic students is disturbing.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…You whine quite a bit about the bus and taxes. I don't care how much he makes, just think it needs to be done in an environment where money is suppose to be made like pro sports and farm teams. It isn't something a university, look at the definition above, should be involved in.******Well, they're looking for a new chancellor. I assume your resume is already on Drew Jennings' desk, since you're so much smarter about how to run a university than those who actually get paid to do it.No?Aw, gee. How can you, in good conscience, withhold your omniscience from the university community? Save us! Please save us!ROFL!!!!!

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BigAl 5 years, 3 months ago

Satirical is right on. I am a member of the Williams Fund and I currently have a kid attending KU. Perkins is worth every dime. He has been invalueable to KU. Some of you can whine all you want but facts are facts. Sports are important to most universities and alumni. If that isn't your choice, like Satirical says, you can go to other schools that don't have such programs. No one is forcing anyone to attend a university that is diverse and offers many avenues including sports.

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

How are you being effected, Jack? Describe the 'tax dollars' being diverted and how that effects you or others. Noone is trying to 'control free speech', just copyrights, just like any other business would and does react to. I'm marching like a good soldier? Why, because I like sports and understand their benefit? Man, you really need to get a life. I'm sorry for those that mistreated you, truly. Special seating has been around since the days of the gladiator, athletic competition has been around for millenia. I've got a 100k that says you NEVER go to any game, and yet you wanna decry the unfairness of who gets what seat? Be a little sillier and then we can talk.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

Also, athletics scholarship allows people to go to college that might otherwise not had the opportunity. It seems you seem to focus on the most "popular" sports such as basketball and football. But KU is involved in several sports. Encouraging sports is also good for recreation, meeting others and getting exercise. Plus the bottom line is people enjoy watching and playing them.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper…University may not be a company, but they are in the “business” of educating people. First, in order to get those scholars and get the best and the brightest faculty and students they need to have marketing. Can a school be successful at getting scholars, etc without an athletic department? Yes. Can a school be more successful with at attracting scholars, etc. with an athletic department? Yes. Marketing is proven to work.Second, I disagree that KU in particular doesn’t “need” more students. I think the more students the better it is for everyone. A large school such as KU has many more educational and other opportunities in general than does a smaller school like Baker. While Baker is academically a great school they don’t have the diversity, number of top notch professors, campus, or other general opportunities that KU has. And the great thing about this country is if you think universities should be small and shouldn’t have an athletic department, then you can choose to go to that school.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Ah but there you are, out of control sports effects everybody whether they want to be involved or not. Taxes sucked off the dole to go to sports endowments and funds so people can get good seats while pricing out the real fan is just the beginning. Universities joining McDonalds and American Idol glamorizing entertainment while we slip into decline. The more is better just sunk our ship and no one wanted to step up and say hey this is out of control. This is the same thing! At one time sports were just a diversion, something to go do but now it is big time entertainment that has requires all the big universities to keep upping the ante. Went for many years with the simple stadium but only in the last twenty years, imagine that the baby boomer generation that claimed in their day to be against everything this stand for, to having a massive press box/slash donors club box added, lights, the freakish giant TV, the freaks in the endzone in recliners, etc. Since it has entered big time entertainment is it fair to all the other entertainment outlets that have to operate paying their taxes? And since this is operating in tax free land is it right that while watching the game you have to be bombarded with advertising? All I'm saying is it has turned into something much different then it was before and needs to be moved into an other world. When tax dollars are diverted then it does effect all of us. And you don't think it is disturbing when something gets this big that is squashes little guys selling t-shirts and trying to control free speech? Yep, you are marching like a good soldier.

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Oh my, more of the I need something to tie my name to so I can be part of something that gives me direction crowd"That's all you got out of what I wrote? Direction? And you're cryin' on the discrepancy between educational value and athletics? Methinks you need to get whatever money you spent on your education back. Wasted dough.And by the way, to further pick at the utter ignorance of your statement, doesn't everyone like - attempt - seek - desire -to be a part of something? The ones that don't are referred to as bums and generally make up the homeless population 'cuz they gave up on fitting into the social landscape. "Americans are willing to give up their own identities to be tied to a cause,"Who's giving up their own identities by rooting for their college team? Sweet Jesus, Jack, an enema and a nap would do wonders for ya. And it's hilarious you single out 'Americans' when most other countries are much more maniacal about their particular sports. Oh, and athletics are not a 'cause'. Civil Rights was a cause. Athletics are competition, social, entertainment, healthy activity. Not a cause. Wow, man, the jocks beat you up or stuff you in a locker when you were younger?"It would be one thing if the sports team was made up of local yokels fighting it out with those other teams but when the college teams are made up by people who are only here temporarily because it benefits their plans"Aren't all universities substantially 'made up by people who are only here temporarily because it benefits their plans'? Or am I confused and only Lawrence residents attend KU? And the 'local yokels' do have such organizations in the form of intramurals, city leagues, and el-hi teams. Look, you don't like sports. Cool beans. But they don't detract from your education or influence your life in any way except for where you've allowed it to. I can't stand NASCAR but I don't go around whining about the money spent. I never got into Dungeons and Dragons but I don't rail about those that do. I wasn't a big fan of the Greek society while at KU (with some exceptions), but I never railed that they have no place on campus. Wanna know why? None of it effects me and there's nothin' wrong with any of it. Unless I decided to have a chip on my shoulder like the one on yours. Jonas is right. It's a biggun, man. Get that fixed.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

And that is where I disagree. A university is not a business! KU did just fine as a college even back in the old days based on the academics who taught here. It is that mentality that says we need to sell more cheeseburgers even if they are full of empty calories. We don't need more students we need more scholars to be a top school and scholars are not going to be basing their decisions on sports over faculty.

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Satirical 5 years, 3 months ago

JackRipper....What you seem to fail to understand is that a University's athletic department is like its marketing department. Most people around the country never heard of George Mason until the made the Final Four. Marketing is important for businesses as well as for Universities.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

And torcia that pretty much sums up why the distractions of sports has students and apparently a lot of alumni more concerned about a football game than the decline of America. Yes, I'm sure all the international students enjoy having more research time in the lab while the dumb Americans are out watching football and American Idol.

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ItsOkayToDisagree 5 years, 3 months ago

I just have a couple of comments to add to this debate. I agree that Perkins has done a good job in most respects and deserves to be fairly compensated. But, I can't agree that he "deserves whatever he can get." Making more than a Dean is one thing...he makes 7 times more than the governor and makes more than the president of the United States! That can't be justified and is an embarrassment in my opinion to Chancellor. I know KU had a great football and basketball season (men's), but I saw they finished 8th or 9th overall in all-sports in the Big 12. I admire that he's improved facilities and raised money. But isn't that what he's suppose to do?

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

"I say, pay a person what the market dictates. "But it isn't the market, it is a world that rides on the "education" coattails, operates on tax free property, money come from tax right off dollars, and can't provide a listing of where all the money they make goes. Obviously his salary is a large chunk of it. Unlike the poor guy downtown selling t-shirts college sports are operating with advantages that a regular corporation wouldn't have. Let's spin it off like as a successful business like they do with research funded companies and let it operate in the real world.

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torcia 5 years, 3 months ago

This debate reminds me of an exchange in the movie "the program":Regent Chairman: "This is not a football vocational school. It's an institute for higher learning." Coach Winters: "Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a damn chemistry experiment? Why don't you stick the bow-tie up your a**?"

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jonas_opines 5 years, 3 months ago

"Sorry, the only chip I have on my shoulder is with the idea that Americans are willing to give up their own identities to be tied to a cause, especially one as dumb as a sports team."Only? That, errr, seems to be a pretty damned substantial chip, if you ask me.

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demonfury 5 years, 3 months ago

I keep reading that the AD shouldn't make more than the dean. Why not he does a far superior job? Besides, look at sports corporations overall. Most profesional ball players make more than the coaches that are accountable for them. I say, pay a person what the market dictates. If he/she can produce a return on investment equal to that figure, they are earning their own stay. What's to complain about?

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

jhawks1510 you straddle in what I'm talking about. It is a corporation that gets to function unlike any other. If the loophole for tax writes were taken away when given for sports I'm sure his salary would come down because there wouldn't be as much money. The dean isn't operating in the lucrative entertainment business so but shouldn't be rewarded less because he isn't operating a money making enterprise. This is why I think it corrupts universities. A university shouldn't be in the entertainment business which a simple game or two that was played as fun turned into a cash cow for all the couch potatoes to enjoy. It is out of control now. The loopholes in the taxes means the people who can afford the decent seats, where you'd think you would like your loudest and rowdiest, are filled with people doing business with clients. The seat prices and contribution request would not be as high if people didn't get to write it off their taxes.

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Armen Kurdian 5 years, 3 months ago

There is something wrong on some level when the AD gets paid more than the Dean. But I think the real measure of success is revenue vs. expenses. Let's look back 20 years through Frederick, Bohl, & Perkins, and see how much money was brought in vs. how much went out. In this sense, the Athletic Department is just like a corporation; is the AD worth his salary?The biggest negative I can think of are the skyrocketing prices of KU basketball tickets and how they completely re-did how season tickets were issued. Prices are darn near usurious. But then again, all the seats are full, so people are meeting the price point, even in this economy.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

There is no doubt Perkins is worth whatever he is paid but let it function in an entirely free market environment instead of one that straddles in the netherworld of tax break funding as an educational institute slash mega entertainment enterprise.

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Confrontation 5 years, 3 months ago

Perkins is worth every dime he gets. The Chancellor isn't.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

Oh my, more of the I need something to tie my name to so I can be part of something that gives me direction crowd. Sorry, the only chip I have on my shoulder is with the idea that Americans are willing to give up their own identities to be tied to a cause, especially one as dumb as a sports team. It would be one thing if the sports team was made up of local yokels fighting it out with those other teams but when the college teams are made up by people who are only here temporarily because it benefits their plans then how can you get fanatical about it? And now look at what the out of control college sports have done, we have to build $14 million dollar high school sports facilities because sports is bigger than just a game played for fun babe, it is about all the money that can be made and fame. Like I said, I don't have anything against all this but get it the heck out of the public fund coffers. Let the billionaire sports owners build their own stadiums instead of roping the poor people in KCMO to pay for it and can't afford to go to the games, let the soccer nuts find a piece of land and with all those deep pockets build their own sports fields, and let universities get back to focusing on teaching and research.By the way, I've asked before and never got an answer, where does all that money going for scholarships and stuff at KU from all the money the athletic department takes in? If someone has a link or numbers on whether the scholarships are for athletes only or if it goes to scholars too would be nice. Nobody has said exactly what benefits KU derives from the money directly and when asked all we get is oh it is pr to get more students. No, where does all the money go that supposedly benefits KU that makes it such a great investment? SInce there are so many tax breaks for athletics to use, donors getting to write off their contributions to the Williams fund, operating on State property without having to pay property tax, donations to endowment that are also tax write offs that pay for his salary, isn't it about time we start closing the door to loopholes that ride on the education coattails that allow someone to make more money by at least 3 fold over anyone else at KU?

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

"Obvious proof of someone more impressed by sports"Quite. That's why I donate to the J school every year. I'm guessin' you've never played sports which is ok, but sad to have such a chip on your shoulder. And cop a clue, Jack. Even the Ivy Leagues utilize athletics for income. Athletics provide money to universities and their cities, instill pride and comradery, and are an excellent diversion of entertainment. Junior highs and high schools maintain athletic programs for health and extracurricular activity for the students. Sports teach teamwork, promote social interaction, and often provide direction in life. There's no reason for athletics to be kept 'seperate' from education. Noone's not gettin no dumber 'cuz theys gots sports at skool. 'Nuff sed.

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ChiHawkInKS 5 years, 3 months ago

I thought we voted for Obama so we wouldnt have to take crap from the big corporate fat cats. Hopefully Obama can take Lew down a peg or two.... bring him down to our level.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

You whine quite a bit about the bus and taxes. I don't care how much he makes, just think it needs to be done in an environment where money is suppose to be made like pro sports and farm teams. It isn't something a university, look at the definition above, should be involved in.

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Chris Ogle 5 years, 3 months ago

If you whiners want to control his salary, then quit watching, or attending the games. Perkins will then just a place to go to get coffee, and a piece of pie. See you at the game.

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

"Hey, clarkkent, you're a fool to believe that. And he has much to do with the success of all KU sports. How's the football team these days? Women's b-ball on the rise again? How 'bout all the new facilities? Nationally televised games? Perkins is considered one of the most powerful and influential people in sports. Period. And KU is lucky to have him. And he's worth every penny."Obvious proof of someone more impressed by sports. No problem, love them but get it off of campus. Shouldn't little whistles go off when the highest paid person at a university (here is a definition for those who seem not to know:A university is an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees in a variety of subjects. A university provides both undergraduate education and postgraduate education. The word university is derived from the Latin universitas magistrorum et scholarium, roughly meaning "community of teachers and scholars".) is in athletics?!

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JackRipper 5 years, 3 months ago

College basketball and football have grown into something so big that it needs to be moved off of campus and let the billionaire sports owners pay for their own farm teams. Isn't it interesting that baseball has farm teams and although a popular American sports its role on campus is nothing at all like basketball and football. Too many people are making big money off of this except for the academic side of universities. And the only claim it can make is it attracts students. Why do we need more students to come to party. The real scholars will attend university not based on the sports team if they want to really get somewhere in their academic career. At the same time the universities whine about providing remedial courses it seems odd that we want to encourage kids who really have no clue why they are going to a university other than they want to be part of the team and party. We need to move the entertainment enterprise off of campus so time isn't wasted on campus dealing with it.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 3 months ago

"they would have been number 1 without perkins!"Unless, of course, they wouldn't have been there at all without Perkins, which is a possibility, but one that I don't have the personal vanity to try and prove.

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey, clarkkent, you're a fool to believe that. And he has much to do with the success of all KU sports. How's the football team these days? Women's b-ball on the rise again? How 'bout all the new facilities? Nationally televised games? Perkins is considered one of the most powerful and influential people in sports. Period. And KU is lucky to have him. And he's worth every penny. And anyone who begrudges anyone else for the money they makes is petty and a hypocrite. Every American dreams of the day they get rich. Many of the dumb ones hate on those who've gotten there already.

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gccs14r 5 years, 3 months ago

An AD shouldn't make more than a Dean.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 3 months ago

But higher education needs more taxpayer money, right?

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CLARKKENT 5 years, 3 months ago

JONAS--HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LAST YEARS BASKETBALL TEAM.THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER 1 WITHOUT PERKINS!

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monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Congrats, Mr. Perkins. You are worth every penny.

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jaywalker 5 years, 3 months ago

Heeeeeeere come the haters..........................................

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jonas_opines 5 years, 3 months ago

. . . and last year our basketball team was no. 1 in the nation.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

"focusing on generating revenue while being efficient and keeping costs down."Except when it comes to the salaries.

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